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I went to the grocery store in L.A. south bay today. I hadn't been in about 2 weeks. Typically I go every other day and I miss it. The shelves were stocked as normal mostly. Trader Joe's is usually well staffed, but I think they've hired a lot more people. There are several employees outside managing the line and grocery carts, and all the checkout lines were open so no problem with distancing there.
My beach is closed so I've been walking in the neighborhood and people are doing a phenomenal job of social distancing. The beach folks were doing a terrible job so while I'm sad the beach is closed, it's our own fault for being irresponsible. It wasn't like we weren't warned.
I dropped by the UPS store and Fed Ex to return some packages. I felt like a minor criminal being out like that.
Several people from my work have coronavirus and a couple have died. It's an enormous corporation and I don't know any of them, but it does bring home how serious this is when it's a coworker.14 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
Then how come even our health care professionals are saying the only thing that is really going to protect them is N95 masks?
They are subject to prolonged, direct exposure. I think a correctly worn mask to make a quick grocery run would be better than nothing. Emphasis on the "correctly worn" part.
Heck, I think even a reasonably-worn bandana to make a quick grocery run might be better than nothing.
I tried one on today, to see what the fit was. It's quite close across cheeks/nose (maybe depends on face shape) especially for glasses-wearer, two layers of tight cotton like the research suggests for masks (doubled it to triangle shape), long enough for lower edge to cover neck and even tuck into turtle or mock-neck. I don't have masks, but when I need a grocery run, I think I'll do this, in the store. Can't hurt, might help.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people.
She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
I assume that when you say it is not an airborne virus you mean that it is not aerosolized and sinks to surfaces very quickly, but without that explanation, I think saying it is not airbone can be misleading, as people are liable to think that means it can't pass through the air, and that everything they've heard about the dangers of someone coughing or sneezing on them or just being within six feet of them is not true.
I also think that the folks in the store yelling at elderly people (clearly at high risk, and thus not the general population) for taking whatever added precaution they can, even if the protective value is small, were jerks. Sure they should stay home if they possibly can, but to assume anyone you see out in the world has a less valid reason than you do for being there is at least at self-centered as one elderly couple using two masks that are supposed to be "for other people." Why not suggest the elderly couple go back to the car and offer to do the shopping and bring it out to them?
I would think people would know the difference. I'm not remotely a health care professional and I know the difference.
The same populace that can't keep simple carbs and complex carbs straight will clearly understand the difference between "airborne" and "aerosolized".
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I think masks likely do help somewhat but they also would make it harder to forget and touch your face before you can wash your hands again.2
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They are turning part of McCormick Place here (huge convention center) into a 3,000 bed field hospital. 500 beds are expected to be there and available later this week. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/30/500-hospital-beds-delivered-to-mccormick-place-as-national-guard-builds-coronavirus-hospital-inside/2
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They are turning part of McCormick Place here (huge convention center) into a 3,000 bed field hospital. 500 beds are expected to be there and available later this week. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/30/500-hospital-beds-delivered-to-mccormick-place-as-national-guard-builds-coronavirus-hospital-inside/
I saw this a couple days ago in a group for those of us planning to run the Chicago Marathon (in October). The expo for the marathon is normally at McCormick Place and the person posting was wondering where the expo will be this year. Most of us agreed that if things are still like this in Oct., we won't be having a marathon in 2020 anyway. If things have settled by then, the expo will probably STILL be at McCormick place. These types of buildings can be converted into lots of different things. In fact, I worked for a convention center / arena many years ago. I remember they would haul truckloads of dirt in to setup hilly tracks for motocross and then have a hockey game the next week. It's amazing how quickly these big convention centers and arenas can be converted for all kinds of different uses.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Reporting on New Jersey: the governor (or his account) on Twitter telling people they still cannot pump their own gas, and numerous NJ residents commenting about how very dangerous that would be in this time and how good it is that they are protected from that danger and just generally wondering why anyone would ever want to have self-pumped gas. Occasional residents of other states are remarking that pumping or not pumping gas is unlikely to be a big difference and mentioning that one can wash hands after pumping or wear gloves. The apparent NJ disdain for pumping one's own gas is something that always amuses me.
I'm wondering if I can get through this without needing to get any gas at all.
Lol, that reminds me of when I used to live in NY and used to frequently take people to the Newark, NJ airport. I'd always get gas in NJ cuz it was cheaper and full serve. (My chemical sensitivity was worse then and pumping my own gas could be problematic for me. This is not the case for the vast majority of the population.)
Yes, NJ and OR. Last time I was in OR, I remember I took the rental to gas it up before returning. It was only a few gallons and I kinda felt bad - as though I was wasting the guy's time. He gets done and mentioned how little it was (it was a Ford Explorer, so I'm sure he was expecting it to be a good amount). I explained the situation, but still felt a bit bad for him. I was close to the airport, so I'm sure it wasn't the first time for him either.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
Then how come even our health care professionals are saying the only thing that is really going to protect them is N95 masks?
They are subject to prolonged, direct exposure. I think a correctly worn mask to make a quick grocery run would be better than nothing. Emphasis on the "correctly worn" part.
Heck, I think even a reasonably-worn bandana to make a quick grocery run might be better than nothing.
I tried one on today, to see what the fit was. It's quite close across cheeks/nose (maybe depends on face shape) especially for glasses-wearer, two layers of tight cotton like the research suggests for masks (doubled it to triangle shape), long enough for lower edge to cover neck and even tuck into turtle or mock-neck. I don't have masks, but when I need a grocery run, I think I'll do this, in the store. Can't hurt, might help.
yeah, I did that. I used safety pins and hair ties to hook it over my ears. Pretty comfortable, and I wore a baseball cap. I felt a bit like a bank robber but the bandana is flesh colored so I wasn't too scary, and other people were wearing masks. I mean I'm a little old lady...maybe if I was 6'4" 300 pound guy I might make someone a little nervous...
I've been cleaning all grocery items upon arrival home. I set the package on newspaper on the floor. Wipe down milk, wash produce with tap water and let it air dry on a clean towel then put it in new bags for the refrigerator. Yogurt gets swabbed with disinfectant and wiped dry. Same with cheese or other refrigerator items. Eggs go in a reusable plastic egg bin/holder from the dollar store. Bread gets carefully removed from its store bag and rebagged in new bags. Other things that come in boxes I let sit for a week before using. I'm trying to rotate fruit and vegetables so they are always on a four-day hold. Bananas worry me a little but I'm still going to eat them. I think the best tack is to let stuff sit for three days after purchase and after rinsing - bananas just won't wait that long! I'm careful about clean-hand/decontaminated hand just like @try2again 's other half taught me.
Then take the empty packaging out and wash the floor. I don't thing there's any way to do it perfectly. I'm hoping that if I do intake any virus it's such a small number of them that I can fight it off? I don't even know if that's a thing.9 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »They are turning part of McCormick Place here (huge convention center) into a 3,000 bed field hospital. 500 beds are expected to be there and available later this week. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/30/500-hospital-beds-delivered-to-mccormick-place-as-national-guard-builds-coronavirus-hospital-inside/
I saw this a couple days ago in a group for those of us planning to run the Chicago Marathon (in October). The expo for the marathon is normally at McCormick Place and the person posting was wondering where the expo will be this year. Most of us agreed that if things are still like this in Oct., we won't be having a marathon in 2020 anyway. If things have settled by then, the expo will probably STILL be at McCormick place. These types of buildings can be converted into lots of different things. In fact, I worked for a convention center / arena many years ago. I remember they would haul truckloads of dirt in to setup hilly tracks for motocross and then have a hockey game the next week. It's amazing how quickly these big convention centers and arenas can be converted for all kinds of different uses.
Yep, I've done the Chicago Marathon and was thinking about the expo there too.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »<snip> I don't think there's any way to do it perfectly. I'm hoping that if I do intake any virus it's such a small number of them that I can fight it off? I don't even know if that's a thing.
I guess it's kind of a thing:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238819-does-a-high-viral-load-or-infectious-dose-make-covid-19-worse/#4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Reporting on New Jersey: the governor (or his account) on Twitter telling people they still cannot pump their own gas, and numerous NJ residents commenting about how very dangerous that would be in this time and how good it is that they are protected from that danger and just generally wondering why anyone would ever want to have self-pumped gas. Occasional residents of other states are remarking that pumping or not pumping gas is unlikely to be a big difference and mentioning that one can wash hands after pumping or wear gloves. The apparent NJ disdain for pumping one's own gas is something that always amuses me.
I'm wondering if I can get through this without needing to get any gas at all.
Lol, that reminds me of when I used to live in NY and used to frequently take people to the Newark, NJ airport. I'd always get gas in NJ cuz it was cheaper and full serve. (My chemical sensitivity was worse then and pumping my own gas could be problematic for me. This is not the case for the vast majority of the population.)
Yes, NJ and OR. Last time I was in OR, I remember I took the rental to gas it up before returning. It was only a few gallons and I kinda felt bad - as though I was wasting the guy's time. He gets done and mentioned how little it was (it was a Ford Explorer, so I'm sure he was expecting it to be a good amount). I explained the situation, but still felt a bit bad for him. I was close to the airport, so I'm sure it wasn't the first time for him either.
It's only New Jersey, now though.0 -
I wash my hands after going to the grocery and wipe down the cart before I use it, but that's as far as it goes. There are very few cases in my county so it's hard to be really paranoid about it. Until a week ago, we had none at all. Avoiding groups and washing hands is as far as I feel it necessary to act.2
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »<snip> I don't think there's any way to do it perfectly. I'm hoping that if I do intake any virus it's such a small number of them that I can fight it off? I don't even know if that's a thing.
I guess it's kind of a thing:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238819-does-a-high-viral-load-or-infectious-dose-make-covid-19-worse/#
"Even if the infectious dose isn’t related to disease severity, it still pays to try and minimise our exposure to the virus because this will reduce our chances of falling ill in the first place. “We want to be taking every precaution we can to prevent ourselves getting infected, which will also reduce our ability to pass the virus on to others,” says Parker. “Any measures we can take to avoid infection are worth taking.”"
Thanks for posting that good link that I thought summed it up well. When I went to order more antiviral (Quercetin) and anti-malaria (Artemisinin) supplements I found others had the same idea and had beat me to Amazon so my normal brands were out of stock with no restocking date.0 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Reporting on New Jersey: the governor (or his account) on Twitter telling people they still cannot pump their own gas, and numerous NJ residents commenting about how very dangerous that would be in this time and how good it is that they are protected from that danger and just generally wondering why anyone would ever want to have self-pumped gas. Occasional residents of other states are remarking that pumping or not pumping gas is unlikely to be a big difference and mentioning that one can wash hands after pumping or wear gloves. The apparent NJ disdain for pumping one's own gas is something that always amuses me.
I'm wondering if I can get through this without needing to get any gas at all.
Lol, that reminds me of when I used to live in NY and used to frequently take people to the Newark, NJ airport. I'd always get gas in NJ cuz it was cheaper and full serve. (My chemical sensitivity was worse then and pumping my own gas could be problematic for me. This is not the case for the vast majority of the population.)
Yes, NJ and OR. Last time I was in OR, I remember I took the rental to gas it up before returning. It was only a few gallons and I kinda felt bad - as though I was wasting the guy's time. He gets done and mentioned how little it was (it was a Ford Explorer, so I'm sure he was expecting it to be a good amount). I explained the situation, but still felt a bit bad for him. I was close to the airport, so I'm sure it wasn't the first time for him either.
It's only New Jersey, now though.
When did OR change? That story is only from a year ago.2 -
I was thinking about how I'd love a salad, and the reason I don't have anything to make one is that our produce doesn't last, here in WI, and I haven't been to a grocery store in 2 weeks or more. I bought a wide variety of shelf-stable foods, no more than 2 of any one thing, so I wouldn't have to go to the store. Now I am craving fresh produce. I guess I'll go soon and fill up on salad for a few days, then see if I can last another 2 weeks without any.9
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I was thinking about how I'd love a salad, and the reason I don't have anything to make one is that our produce doesn't last, here in WI, and I haven't been to a grocery store in 2 weeks or more. I bought a wide variety of shelf-stable foods, no more than 2 of any one thing, so I wouldn't have to go to the store. Now I am craving fresh produce. I guess I'll go soon and fill up on salad for a few days, then see if I can last another 2 weeks without any.
I find using these containers makes produce last 4 times longer then storing it without https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-FreshWorks-Produce-Storage-Containers/dp/B01FCR7MYM/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3KGQAEUXBP1P3&keywords=produce+keeper+for+refrigerator&qid=1585614667&sprefix=produce+keepers+,aps,317&sr=8-2 They even make long ones for celery or asparagus4 -
This is an interesting, lengthy document prepared by Michael Lin, PhD-MD, a professor of neurobiology and bioengineering at Stanford. Toward the end it goes into masks, and he thinks they do help, and explains why:
https://doc-00-8o-apps-viewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/secure/pdf/4mnfvpjm27ci9pe8c31c2urn0urg1e5f/63n4lc4mnif52pbnqjptb8j2o27b1tpi/1585614300000/drive/13432444871244508169/ACFrOgDqysAB7pYz3uNv2jL2UqXAq6V_9FpLEY82R0C6IK_4P6u2P50up6hTJpOVA48JPLjNgWYx1S0_rpmGXid6lXLuenPnPOLsgR6kOME1e9ThXkdnB0SMszRxEjafLo79VyLCpdZIKOOumU5C?print=true&nonce=johe0q210nv78&user=13432444871244508169&hash=mlpm17m0bp2jahmm9n3dhia287pdmi2f5 -
Is this the same? I couldn’t access your linkThis is an interesting, lengthy document prepared by Michael Lin, PhD-MD, a professor of neurobiology and bioengineering at Stanford. Toward the end it goes into masks, and he thinks they do help, and explains why:
https://doc-00-8o-apps-viewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/secure/pdf/4mnfvpjm27ci9pe8c31c2urn0urg1e5f/63n4lc4mnif52pbnqjptb8j2o27b1tpi/1585614300000/drive/13432444871244508169/ACFrOgDqysAB7pYz3uNv2jL2UqXAq6V_9FpLEY82R0C6IK_4P6u2P50up6hTJpOVA48JPLjNgWYx1S0_rpmGXid6lXLuenPnPOLsgR6kOME1e9ThXkdnB0SMszRxEjafLo79VyLCpdZIKOOumU5C?print=true&nonce=johe0q210nv78&user=13432444871244508169&hash=mlpm17m0bp2jahmm9n3dhia287pdmi2f
https://up.raindrop.io/raindrop/files/146/310/187/Lin_COVID_19_SARS_Co_V_2_slidedeck_20200315.pdf
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Reporting on New Jersey: the governor (or his account) on Twitter telling people they still cannot pump their own gas, and numerous NJ residents commenting about how very dangerous that would be in this time and how good it is that they are protected from that danger and just generally wondering why anyone would ever want to have self-pumped gas. Occasional residents of other states are remarking that pumping or not pumping gas is unlikely to be a big difference and mentioning that one can wash hands after pumping or wear gloves. The apparent NJ disdain for pumping one's own gas is something that always amuses me.
I'm wondering if I can get through this without needing to get any gas at all.
Lol, that reminds me of when I used to live in NY and used to frequently take people to the Newark, NJ airport. I'd always get gas in NJ cuz it was cheaper and full serve. (My chemical sensitivity was worse then and pumping my own gas could be problematic for me. This is not the case for the vast majority of the population.)
Yes, NJ and OR. Last time I was in OR, I remember I took the rental to gas it up before returning. It was only a few gallons and I kinda felt bad - as though I was wasting the guy's time. He gets done and mentioned how little it was (it was a Ford Explorer, so I'm sure he was expecting it to be a good amount). I explained the situation, but still felt a bit bad for him. I was close to the airport, so I'm sure it wasn't the first time for him either.
It's only New Jersey, now though.
When did OR change? That story is only from a year ago.
I went to check, it wasn't statewide:
Oregon and New Jersey are the only two states that ban self-service gas stations. But thanks to a new law that went into effect on January 1, customers can now pump their own gas in Oregon, though only at stand-alone gas stations in counties with fewer than 40,000 residents. Elsewhere, the ban still holds.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/01/03/oregons-freak-out-over-pumping-your-own-gas-shows-why-many-dumb-regulations-still-exist/#2c9bacf8600e
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Currently:
In an effort to comply with social distancing guidelines, the Oregon State Fire Marshal is suspending its enforcement of gas station self-service regulations.
Effective immediately, gas stations will be allowed to let drivers pump their own gas if they meet any of the following requirements:
The owner (of the gas station) retains documentation that there are no employees available to work as an attendant, including documentation for absences and employee hiring and retention efforts;
The owner is subject to State Fire Marshal audit and has posted safety signs for how to safely operate a fuel pump; and
The hours of operation under this subsection do not exceed 10 consecutive hours.
https://www.koin.com/oregon-2/oregon-loosens-self-service-restrictions-for-pumping-gas/2 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I wash my hands after going to the grocery and wipe down the cart before I use it, but that's as far as it goes. There are very few cases in my county so it's hard to be really paranoid about it. Until a week ago, we had none at all. Avoiding groups and washing hands is as far as I feel it necessary to act.
I'm more like you. I always wash my produce, though I think I might start soaking them in white vinegar before using them. I have been making sure not to touch my face or eat anything after shopping or being out in public until I either wash my hands or at least use hand sanitizer. If I run through the drive through, I wait until after I've paid the cashier, then immediately use hand sanitizer I keep in my truck before putting the straw in my drink or picking up any food items, and I try to keep the food items in their wrappers and not touch them directly. Since usually what I'm getting is a plain chicken fillet no bun, that's not too hard - just stab it with a fork and eat it that way!1
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