Coronavirus prep
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My niece lives in Maine. She was talking with her mom(my sister) this a.m. and said the governor has shut the borers for travel; if you're caught traveling outside the state it's $1000 fine. She can't come visit her parents and hasn't seen them in almost a month.(:
Are you referring to international travel? The Canadian-US border is closed in Maine, I believe. As of yesterday, the governor of Maine has made it clear that she doesn't thinks she has the authority to close the borders of Maine when it comes to other states. Their stay-at-home order does impact non-essential travel (as do those of many states), but it isn't border-specific. The governor has asked people not to come to Maine to try to escape more crowded areas and they're asking people visiting from other states to self-quarantine for two weeks.
https://www.pressherald.com/2020/03/31/answers-to-questions-about-governor-mills-stay-at-home-order/
Regardless of legalities, the most caring thing we can do for our parents right now is to not visit them (barring special circumstances). If her understanding of the law is keeping her from her parents, it's probably for the best.5 -
More on Chicago and Illinois cases.
Currently, "COVID-19 patients are occupying 35% of the state’s intensive care beds and that 24% of ventilators are being used by such patients." That's with just under 6000 diagnosed cases in the state currently.
One current projection by Rush is that Illinois could have 19,000 diagnosed cases as of 4/9 (based on current rates of increase, although there's a lot of uncertainty, and there are a variety of different models), and that if they had continued going up as they were initially (with no stay at home order), the projection for 4/9 was more like 145,000 cases, and we'd be out of hospital beds and ventilators by now, of course.
Currently they are predicting the peak to hit IL around 4/16.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-forecasts-hospitals-rush-20200331-v5vcjb3kyvdtjme32of6tt2j64-story.html1 -
This really bugging me, I've been staying home and when I did go to the store 2 weeks ago I wiped down everything and stayed away from people, I'm also in a higher risk category. My microwave broke the first day of this and my brother came over to fix it yesterday. I kept away from him and wiped everything down with Clorox when he left. He thinks I'm overdoing it, he's going to the store a couple times a week and the kids are still having play dates with some friends by meeting at the park. He said the adults are staying away from each other but not the kids. I'm really surprised, my SIL is a kindergarten teacher and normally very responsible, I'd think she'd be more careful. My understanding is because kids aren't getting it like adults he's not concerned about my nephews or himself and my SIL.10
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@JustSomeEm Thanks - I will read this! Good to know that this pandemic has not ruined by usual sweet demeanor
@moonangel12 Interesting - that ship has sailed so to speak, but that does not surprise me at all.
@NewLIFEstyle4ME I understand that people need to stay home but if a store is deemed essential, why shouldn't they be allowed to sell this stuff....I get things like carpet, flooring, lawn decor but not music, crafts, books....they need to stay in business. Just my 2 cents. Thanks god booze is not on that list.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I assume that when you say it is not an airborne virus you mean that it is not aerosolized and sinks to surfaces very quickly, but without that explanation, I think saying it is not airborne can be misleading, ...
I would think people would know the difference. I'm not remotely a health care professional and I know the difference.
I have an MA in English, and I work adjacent to public safety. Before this pandemic, I was not aware of this distinction between airborne and aerosolized in the context of contagions.
M-W's definition of airborne is
1. done or being in the air : being off the ground: such as
a: carried through the air (as by an aircraft)
b: supported especially by aerodynamic forces or propelled through the air by force
(a plane becoming airborne)
c: transported or carried by the air
(airborne allergens)
Given that, I would simply have assumed aerosolized to be a synonym of airborne. Or, possibly, aerosolization is the process by which something becomes airborne.
I queried a few of my smart friends; they didn't know the difference either.
So I'm going to side with lynn_glenmont and say that this is confusing for many, if not most.
so when I say it's not airborne you then conclude that getting sneezed on or coughed on would not be a concern? because that was what he was insinuating if you read his comment. I'm pretty sure people aren't that stupid...but I could be wrong. I don't think you need to know the difference between airborne and aerosolized to understand that getting directly coughed or sneezed is an issue, which is more of the point I was trying to make.
ETA: for clarification, aerosolized would be "airborne" ...meaning a virus is suspended in the air in a liquid or solid form for a substantial amount of time...think measles...that virus could be suspended in air (aerosolized) for hours before dropping to the ground. This coronavirus only has limited ability to be aerosolized...largely in hospital settings and it isn't the primary transmission method. When someone coughs or sneezes, it is airborne only for a short time and can travel only a short distance before falling to the ground...this is why social distancing of 6 ft apart is important as is sneezing or coughing into your elbow.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »I'll give news from Italy.
Like Ann, I also went grocery shopping. I got there at 8:15--they open at 8:30. The line was only a fourth of a block long. New signs up on the grocery store windows. Only one person can do shopping (no couples, or taking kids along), everyone has to stay 5 ft apart in the store, and it is required to wear a mask to enter. The store was stocked as usual and several things useful for disinfecting were even on sale.
They say we've hit peak--Yay! However, still a lot of deaths everyday. We're over 100,000 cases and 12,000 deaths.
I e-mailed my family and called my mother (91, in Minnesota). My younger sister says my brothers are visiting and are too close to her. I told them this: (which I haven't shared earlier because there's a lot of anxiety already) if you are admitted to the hospital with COV19, you will not be allowed visiters. People that die from this in the hospitals, die without the comfort of family and friends. I told my siblings that I didn't want them to see our mother die that way. So recommended staying 6 ft away from her and wearing masks.
Hospitals are not allowing visitors for anyone, and that is understandable. My grandpa had been in the hospital since 3/20 (died yesterday) with pneumonia initially. After testing negative for Coronavirus, he was transferred out of the isolation area and to a different part of the hospital. But nobody visited for the last week since they shut down visitation in all areas. I would not have gone to visit anyway (would be a long way to travel), but my uncle was going everyday until they stopped allowing it. I understand and agree with not having any extra people. It may suck, but a small sacrifice to avoid infection of high risk people.19 -
@T1DCarnivoreRunner I'm so sorry to hear about your grandfather.
My mom is an NP who does ongoing patient care at a hospital and they're not even letting *her* visit her patients with CV since she isn't part of their direct care for that situation. Everyone who is in that area of her hospital has to have a pressing need to be there.3 -
NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.15 -
Went to the grocery store this morning. Most people are being very aware of giving each other enough space. MOST. There were two ladies shopping together that got very offended because I moved to give them extra space to pass.
One commented loudly to the other, "People are being crazy stupid...they are acting like we're going to kill them." I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I turned around and responded, "Well, you just might."
To which the woman said, "If you're that scared, you should stay home. Just don't leave your house then."
I saw the same two women in the checkout lanes being extremely annoyed when the cashier asked them to stay back until she was finished wiping down the counter after the previous customer.
What is wrong with people? Entitlement, denial, or what?20 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.4 -
Wow... just... wow.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Went to the grocery store this morning. Most people are being very aware of giving each other enough space. MOST. There were two ladies shopping together that got very offended because I moved to give them extra space to pass.
One commented loudly to the other, "People are being crazy stupid...they are acting like we're going to kill them." I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I turned around and responded, "Well, you just might."
To which the woman said, "If you're that scared, you should stay home. Just don't leave your house then."
I saw the same two women in the checkout lanes being extremely annoyed when the cashier asked them to stay back until she was finished wiping down the counter after the previous customer.
What is wrong with people? Entitlement, denial, or what?
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Went to the grocery store this morning. Most people are being very aware of giving each other enough space. MOST. There were two ladies shopping together that got very offended because I moved to give them extra space to pass.
One commented loudly to the other, "People are being crazy stupid...they are acting like we're going to kill them." I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I turned around and responded, "Well, you just might."
To which the woman said, "If you're that scared, you should stay home. Just don't leave your house then."
I saw the same two women in the checkout lanes being extremely annoyed when the cashier asked them to stay back until she was finished wiping down the counter after the previous customer.
What is wrong with people? Entitlement, denial, or what?
IMO, some of this comes from a way of thinking that I think is somewhat common, at least in the US. Maybe elsewhere, too, but I don't live there.
Expertise and education are deprecated, "common sense" that counters expert opinions is elevated. One could think of it as a strain of anti-intellectualism, or something of that nature.
At an extreme, it's "those over-educated eggheads in their ivory towers don't know what they're talking about, so us regular people are better off trusting our gut feelings that come from real-world experience". (I'm not saying people routinely explicitly say this; I'm saying that's the position painted over time by their behavior and cumulatively by many remarks they make.)
Add to that the exceptionalist idea that "we're too strong to be beaten by a dumb virus you can't even see".
One science writer I heard interviewed speculated that to a certain extent, culture may have been subtly shaped by "stay strong against terrorism" messages (so we should stick with normal routines), in ways that are dysfunctional with viruses, which are not trying to scare us, they're just trying to replicate and spread. (Loose/metaphorical sense of the word "try" here, of course.)
A thing that helps these ideas take hold, IMO, is the fact that when the experts are right, and reasonable remediating actions are taken (often, in less severe cases, in ways that are not obvious, maybe not even visible at all, to non-experts/specialists), the predicted bad outcome doesn't happen, because those remedial actions were taken and were effective. The non-specialist perception is that "the experts were wrong and it wasn't a crisis". (Don't get me started on perceptions of Y2K, because I will literally froth at the mouth, as an IT-er who worked through it.)
I'm not arguing that all designated experts or educated specialists are all-knowing. Far from it.
Any population, including the population of "experts", includes some idiots (and whose opinions may be more likely to be publicized than mainstream conclusions, because unusual things are "news" (not common things), and they're click-bait-y). For similar reasons, it's also more likely to be publicised when the broad consensus of mainstream experts turns out to be incorrect (which definitely happens), because that's exceptional so "news".
It doesn't help that some things that are true, are not intuitive or common-sensical; or that studies testing common sense things (to verify whether they're true or not) are often publically derided as academics wasting money proving things "everyone knows", thus supporting the idea that experts tend to be idiots.
Also, we (all), IMO, tend to reason less well about things we can't see. (This is another perception from my IT career, BTW.)
I suspect the above is going to be major disagree-bait, but I don't care. (Frankly, I never much care about "disagrees"
. . . though I appreciate reasoned counter-arguments). But you asked, and the above is part of what I think is in play. 18 -
@AnnPT77 I read something similar, that we (Americans) are conditioned to think that if we change our way of life in response to a threat, then we've let the threat "win." This may not be such a bad idea in response to some dangers, but it's clearly a terrible way to respond to highly contagious viruses.16
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Went to the grocery store this morning. Most people are being very aware of giving each other enough space. MOST. There were two ladies shopping together that got very offended because I moved to give them extra space to pass.
One commented loudly to the other, "People are being crazy stupid...they are acting like we're going to kill them." I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I turned around and responded, "Well, you just might."
To which the woman said, "If you're that scared, you should stay home. Just don't leave your house then."
I saw the same two women in the checkout lanes being extremely annoyed when the cashier asked them to stay back until she was finished wiping down the counter after the previous customer.
What is wrong with people? Entitlement, denial, or what?
IMO, some of this comes from a way of thinking that I think is somewhat common, at least in the US. Maybe elsewhere, too, but I don't live there.
Expertise and education are deprecated, "common sense" that counters expert opinions is elevated. One could think of it as a strain of anti-intellectualism, or something of that nature.
At an extreme, it's "those over-educated eggheads in their ivory towers don't know what they're talking about, so us regular people are better off trusting our gut feelings that come from real-world experience". (I'm not saying people routinely explicitly say this; I'm saying that's the position painted over time by their behavior and cumulatively by many remarks they make.)
Add to that the exceptionalist idea that "we're too strong to be beaten by a dumb virus you can't even see".
One science writer I heard interviewed speculated that to a certain extent, culture may have been subtly shaped by "stay strong against terrorism" messages (so we should stick with normal routines), in ways that are dysfunctional with viruses, which are not trying to scare us, they're just trying to replicate and spread. (Loose/metaphorical sense of the word "try" here, of course.)
A thing that helps these ideas take hold, IMO, is the fact that when the experts are right, and reasonable remediating actions are taken (often, in less severe cases, in ways that are not obvious, maybe not even visible at all, to non-experts/specialists), the predicted bad outcome doesn't happen, because those remedial actions were taken and were effective. The non-specialist perception is that "the experts were wrong and it wasn't a crisis". (Don't get me started on perceptions of Y2K, because I will literally froth at the mouth, as an IT-er who worked through it.)
I'm not arguing that all designated experts or educated specialists are all-knowing. Far from it.
Any population, including the population of "experts", includes some idiots (and whose opinions may be more likely to be publicized than mainstream conclusions, because unusual things are "news" (not common things), and they're click-bait-y). For similar reasons, it's also more likely to be publicised when the broad consensus of mainstream experts turns out to be incorrect (which definitely happens), because that's exceptional so "news".
It doesn't help that some things that are true, are not intuitive or common-sensical; or that studies testing common sense things (to verify whether they're true or not) are often publically derided as academics wasting money proving things "everyone knows", thus supporting the idea that experts tend to be idiots.
Also, we (all), IMO, tend to reason less well about things we can't see. (This is another perception from my IT career, BTW.)
I suspect the above is going to be major disagree-bait, but I don't care. (Frankly, I never much care about "disagrees" . . . though I appreciate reasoned counter-arguments). But you asked, and the above is part of what I think is in play.
So much yes to this bolded... Which is why people still aren't social distance and such.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »@AnnPT77 I read something similar, that we (Americans) are conditioned to think that if we change our way of life in response to a threat, then we've let the threat "win." This may not be such a bad idea in response to some dangers, but it's clearly a terrible way to respond to highly contagious viruses.
People mistake defiance for freedom and strength. In the case of pushing back against the rules established to keep vulnerable people safe, defiance is just reckless.21 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »@AnnPT77 I read something similar, that we (Americans) are conditioned to think that if we change our way of life in response to a threat, then we've let the threat "win." This may not be such a bad idea in response to some dangers, but it's clearly a terrible way to respond to highly contagious viruses.
People mistake defiance for freedom and strength. In the case of pushing back against the rules established to keep vulnerable people safe, defiance is just reckless.
Yes, when someone is intentionally trying to scare and intimidate you, defiance can sometimes be a meaningful and useful display of strength. But a virus isn't "trying" to do anything. It isn't going to be cowed, discouraged, or defeated by the fact that I refuse to give people space in the grocery store or that I go ahead with having my engagement party with a guest list of 50+ people. Attempting to defy a virus is just dumb.12 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.9 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.
I don't think restaurants will close own completely (I hope). Someone asked the governor here why she's allowing restaurants to be open for pickup and delivery and she said that closing them down completely would be a substantial disruption to the food supply chain, and basically if you think grocery stores are bare now, they'd be really bare.9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.
I don't think restaurants will close own completely (I hope). Someone asked the governor here why she's allowing restaurants to be open for pickup and delivery and she said that closing them down completely would be a substantial disruption to the food supply chain, and basically if you think grocery stores are bare now, they'd be really bare.
I'm assuming from lack of funds they might close down. Here in NYC, take out and delivery doesn't even cover rent in some places.4 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.
I don't think restaurants will close own completely (I hope). Someone asked the governor here why she's allowing restaurants to be open for pickup and delivery and she said that closing them down completely would be a substantial disruption to the food supply chain, and basically if you think grocery stores are bare now, they'd be really bare.
Hopefully I’m wrong. It would be really hard to lose any of the remaining contact I have with the outside. I work for a medical school and am getting updates about our infection rates and hospital censuses a few times a week at minimum. It’s quite likely that I’m filtering information through a bit of a dark cloud.6 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Then of course there is a daily walk or run and body weight and resistance band workouts for the upper body and abs. Haven't gotten bored yet....3 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.
Yeah, same here, in just about all respects (except I don't think restaurants will close completely, although Chef Barbell makes a valid point). Our neighborhood chamber of commerce has a nice list of who is open and how to buy from them.3 -
@Bry_Fitness70 You're right as rain. My state has received a grade F for social distancing. We're hearing from older folkaronies who live out in the country, they're wearing imaginary courage as a badge of honor. Fearless cliches are the mortal enemy of good common horse sense.
Falling back on worn out cliches is barking up the wrong tree. We can't afford to resort to that kind of lazy.5 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Then of course there is a daily walk or run and body weight and resistance band workouts for the upper body and abs. Haven't gotten bored yet....
Here in the US, some of the specialized art and craft supply mail-order businesses (outside Amazon) still seem to be fulfilling online orders (wisely, or not), including true mom'n'pop businesses that are not endangering employees outside their households by continuing to ship while their onsite "warehouse" still has inventory. (The question of unnecessarily endangering or overloading shippers and their employees is a consideration, of course, but I suspect some of these small-scale suppliers will have been making sensible and sensitive efforts to reduce such risks, and may comment on such on their web sites or Facebook (or other social media) pages.)
If someone wants to resume an old hobby and get supplies, a reasonable strategy might be to seek out a good-sized social-network group specific to that hobby, and ask for recommendations of small-scale vendors that are still shipping, that have a good reputation for reliability, and that are known to be taking good precautions. Or, in many areas, there may be small stores willing to mail locally who don't usually do so. I'm a multi-crafter hobbyist, and it's surprising to me how many people (who do some of the same crafts I do) are unaware of local sources that are price-competitive, with an excellent selection, and who already were shippers even before the crisis. So many people are only aware of the big chains. (And I don't live in a major metro area, BTW.)
The right answer, IMO, is still to minimize creating madly increased shipping, of course. Much can be done, in the arts and crafts realm (for diverse types of crafts) with things many people have around the house, but won't have thought of using because they think they need fancy stuff. YouTube can be a great discovery point, among others.8 -
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Then of course there is a daily walk or run and body weight and resistance band workouts for the upper body and abs. Haven't gotten bored yet....[/quote]
I play the piano, but can't play by ear to save my life - I need the sheet music in front of me, so using YouTube doesn't work in this case. Not that I need more sheet music now, anyway
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Update from down south - San Antonio is up over 200 cases now. Only 10% of people tested have come back positive, so at least that seems to indicate that we're not waiting until people show severe symptoms to test them. I'm pretty impressed with our data collection and distribution: https://www.sanantonio.gov/Health/News/Alerts/CoronaVirus.
The zip code with the most cases also happens to be the "rich" part of town (finding a house for less than $500k is rare), which makes me wonder if the increased cases there are from people coming home from international trips, especially from Spring break a couple weeks ago.
I'm beginning to remember why I stopped working from home 5 years ago. I've only been working from home now for 2 weeks, but I'm finding the lack of getting out and about and talking face to face with people depressing. I haven't been grocery shopping for 2 weeks and really do need to go - I'm out of several food items that I regularly use - but I'm loathe to go to the grocery store. The couple times I went out to get a few items for my grandmother were hellish - going from store to store to store trying to find basic items like milk, butter, flour.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Yeah, it's been ages since I bought music, and still longer since I bought hard copy CDs or records (I assume if I were a record person I'd have quite a collection). As it is, I was going to give away all my CDs before my move 2 years ago, but I wimped out and kept about 1/3 of them. I can get a huge amount of music through streaming options. I already have a crazy number of books, so if not for the desire to support local bookstores, this would be a good opportunity to just force myself to read what I have. To some extent I am doing that (I'm seeking out books I happened to have on viruses or relating to them, sigh, and I think moving on to Defoe's Diary of the Plague Year next), but I've bought a few things on Kindle (I read it on my phone) too. I think many local library systems work with Kindle too, not sure if this has affected them, but there are lots of cheap Kindle options. There's something like paperbackswap (which has CD and DVD options too) -- I suspect they are still operating now, as the post office is.
Personally, in addition to work and gardening, I'm also back to trying to learn German, which also is something I can work on online (although I have books too).
If people don't know, there are a ton of cultural institutions making things available too -- it's not just TV (and not even just TV and the many great movies available online). The Metropolitan Opera in NYC is doing nightly live streamings, an indie/art theatre here (Chicago) is selling tickets to watch movies they would have been showing live but for COVID-19 online, several local theaters are offering streaming versions of past plays, the Globe is streaming weekly Shakespeare plays and various others free, the Art Institute of Chicago is offering ways to visit virtually, the CSO has added tons of virtual content, so on. Basically, if there are cultural offerings you would have been interested in but the time/money/inconvenience made them difficult, some might be available at home now. There are many options I have not mentioned since my list is biased toward my interests and location.
But beyond that, art supplies and hobby stuff are almost surely available most places through delivery. (Re home repair, I know Home Depot is open here, with reduced hours, but also delivers. I saw someone on Twitter complaining about how crowded HD was a week or so ago, and asked "why, is everyone building an extra bathroom to house their 1800 rolls of TP?")
Can you imagine this all happening before the online era? It probably couldn't have, as we couldn't have worked at home as easily (for the many of us who could), and I like reading a great deal and did have books, as noted, but it would be so much harder, and businesses would have had fewer options by far.8 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Then of course there is a daily walk or run and body weight and resistance band workouts for the upper body and abs. Haven't gotten bored yet....
I play the piano, but can't play by ear to save my life - I need the sheet music in front of me, so using YouTube doesn't work in this case. Not that I need more sheet music now, anyway
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True. But there are many sites that provide downloadable sheet music for a fairly low price. One that I use has a $9.99 U.S. subscription price for a year! Sounds like you have enough to keep you busy.
I play various styles from rock to bossa and a little classical and I've used these sites very successfully. Especially for Jazz scores. I am not musically fluent enough to play jazz but I sing jazz vocals and have often downloaded the sheet music and printed it for the musicians accompanying me.4 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
I'd assume books can be delivered. My local indie bookstore says: "We can now ship books directly from our distributor's warehouse to your front door. All you have to do is place your order through our website and select our regular USPS shipping option, then we'll take it from there! This will be the fastest way to get your books moving forward, and the best way to continue to support The Book Cellar.
Now more than ever, it is important to shop locally. As many of you have likely heard, Amazon confirmed that it’s significantly delaying US deliveries of all nonessential items during the coronavirus pandemic. According to product listings on its website, some of these shipments will be delayed by as much as a month. So don’t forget to look to your local shops and vendors! We’re here to help!"
A huge number of other local stores (like my local gardening store) have gone to online only.
I feel bad for all the local businesses, but I really do think it's best to have very limited in store options right now.
Shopping locally is more important than ever. I suspect that restaurants and breweries will be shut down completely in the next couple of weeks, which will be disastrous for many of them. I’m taking every advantage of online ordering and curbside pickup for as long as I can. I live in a very “neighborhood-y” neighborhood, so I know the owners and workers at a lot of our local shops. I’m lucky enough to have a job where I can work remotely, so I figure that as long as my neighbors are open, I’ll be supporting them.
I don't think restaurants will close own completely (I hope). Someone asked the governor here why she's allowing restaurants to be open for pickup and delivery and she said that closing them down completely would be a substantial disruption to the food supply chain, and basically if you think grocery stores are bare now, they'd be really bare.
I'm assuming from lack of funds they might close down. Here in NYC, take out and delivery doesn't even cover rent in some places.
It's going to be interesting as to how all of this actually rolls out to the national level considering states and state by state is so different. I live in New Mexico...out entire state population is 2M people...the entire state population is dwarfed by large cities like NY city, Chicago, LA, NO, etc. I can't even imagine all that. By land mass I live in a very large state...by population, it's tiny. Much of us are rural and just venture into the city proper for our groceries and supplies anyway. The Village of Corrales has five restaurants...Hannah and Nate's (ermmergerd their burritos), Village Pizza (which is awesome), Indigo Crow, the Village Bistro, and Las Ristras. Everyone here is doing there part at getting regular take out and carryout instead of dining in. #Corallesstrong8 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »NewLIFEstyle4ME wrote: »
Howard County bars sales of nonessential items at essential businesses
https://www.kokomotribune.com/news/local_news/howard-county-bars-sales-of-nonessential-items-at-essential-businesses/article_6d0c2798-7074-11ea-9136-538d5d848958.html
Howard County has banned the sale of these items in local stores during its stay-at-home order:
Banned purchases
Jewelry.
Furniture.
Home and lawn decor.
Toys and games.
Carpets.
Rugs and flooring.
Non-emergency appliances.
Music.
Books and magazines.
Craft and art supplies.
Paint.
Entertainment electronics.
Staying entertained during a long quarantine seems to me to be pretty essential. Not everyone spends all day watching TV. Books, art supplies, music, etc. and even home repair or decorating seem to me to be a very valid way of enduring the long quarantine.
Of the things you mentioned, you can get books via the Kindle app without ever leaving home. You can also get tons of music to listen to via spotify or Itunes. Art supplies can be more problematic. I hardly watch TV now or prior to the coronavirus. I am also a muscian. So, multiple instruments are at hand and plenty of material and tutorials via YouTube to learn and existing material to practice and perfect.
Personally, in addition to work and gardening, I'm also back to trying to learn German, which also is something I can work on online (although I have books too).
Great point a about language learning! Since moving to Mexico almost 2 years ago (and for some time before in preparation), I've been working at becoming more fluent in Spanish. So, I have more time to get better at it right now.
Just as an aside, we have been able to learn much from being behind the curve here in Mexico. The overall numbers are very low, 1215 cases in the whole country and 29 deaths and it is progressing at a very slow rate so far. Social distancing and staying en casa has been happening for a couple of weeks and that seems to be holding the numbers down.
Here in the state of Oaxaca, where we live, there are only 14 cases with no new ones in a few days. Mexico City has 234 cases as of today and, while that seems like a more, it is a city of over 25,000,000. Time will tell how it develops but I think there may have been a benefit to being a little later in the curve and learning from what has happened in other places.
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