Coronavirus prep

JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »

Exactly Nony ! You get me big hugs 🤗 6ft apart air hugs . I think after our at hone orders are over we should continue to practice the new social distancing rules even after to avoid another pandemic for future generations

Yeah, going to disagree with you there. Some things should be carried forward, in terms of hygiene practices. Like, now that we all finally know how to wash our hands properly, sneeze and cough into elbows, etc. But as far as I'm aware (did not read the article you linked), China aren't advocating that people maintain a 6 foot distance from each other for the rest of eternity, because, well, that's absurd. Those things need to be in place until such point that there is a vaccine, and enough people have received said vaccine, that we're not going to see another flare up of COVID-19. That's essentially the approach New Zealand will also be taking until a vaccine is available - tight border controls, distancing, etc. It's a no brainer that that will be necessary for any country/region that doesn't want to repeat the cycle all over again.

Yes, there are currently over 503 cases in Bexar County. Not sure why you think (if you do) that that's inconsistent with my timeline.

Recall the prior claim, which you seemed to be supporting, was that the novel coronavirus had been running rampant in the US from Jan or before, so we probably (or areas with low tests probably) had herd immunity. The stats in San Antonio (or in Chicago, where I live) don't suggest herd immunity to me.

From the SA Express-News today:

"6:15 p.m. | Confirmed COVID-19 cases shot up, with a total of 503 San Antonio area residents testing positive for the virus, Mayor Ron Nirenberg said at Tuesday’s briefing. Of those, 150 patients were infected by community transmission, while 179 cases were attributed to “close contact,” such as catching the virus from a family member. Travel-related cases totaled 124, while 50 cases remain under investigation, meaning the source of infection hasn’t been determined. On Tuesday, 88 were hospitalized. Of those patients, 51 remained in intensive care, while 40 were on ventilators.

2:30 p.m. | Five more residents of Southeast Nursing and Rehabilitation Center have died after contracting coronavirus, bringing the total there to eight, city officials said Tuesday. One other person separately died of complications from the virus, bringing the city’s overall death toll to 18....

April 5...

4:00 a.m. | City and Bexar County hospital officials are gearing up to care for an increasing number of COVID-19 patients. Tents and trailers have been placed outside emergency rooms, staffers are being trained and reassigned from their normal duties, and facilities are being overhauled for COVID-19 patients. At Freeman Coliseum, a space normally used for concerts and events, hundreds of cots await possible overflow from hospital."

So no, I don't see evidence that people think the community has been affected already and has herd immunity. Nor do the deaths or hospitalizations to date support that.

Hooked up means that someone gave her the ability to obtain a mask

My family is just as stubborn.

My mother wont social distance from me because "shes not afraid of me"...

So, I stopped giving her the opportunity. My 82 year old grandmother lives with her and both of them still go grocery shopping every week.. =/

I'm actually glad I am alone. Lol

I have borderline personality disorder and other humans for long periods of time just causes me problems.

I would actually recommend looking to sport supplement companies in this scerario! I went to Pred Nutrition and stocked up on 1kg tubs of peanut butter, protein powder and oats. Their delivery hasn't been affected and it means I can continue to hit my macros while this goes on. Losing my patience with having to go to multiple shops STILL every time I want eggs haha!

cmriverside wrote: »

lemurcat2 wrote: »

JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »

My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.

This seemed to be suggesting that San Antonio had had CV-19 since Jan 7 and had herd immunity (the post you were saying "Very possible" to suggested there was no need to stay at home in their town since they had all had it in Jan (which is exceptionally unlikely, especially given the location and even given your location, which was the point of my timeline).

So...I'm in Seattle.

In the area where the first nursing home outbreak happened on about the first of March there are almost 3 million people in the two counties that the nursing home straddles.

There have been 33,433 tests performed to date in that 3 million population of those two counties.
5056 of those are confirmed positive
275 of those have died

In the state, 87,800 tests have been performed.
8682 of those are positive,
394 deaths
With a population of over 7 million, the state's positive tests are tracking at 8%


Had it not been for the one nursing home "outbreak" in the first week of March, which has now killed about 40 people directly and infected who-knows-how-many more, we would not have started to seriously test. We're the canary in the coal mine and strictly because a whole lot of people started dying in a suspicious manner.

Yes, your city and state are probably better off because you started doing a lot more testing earlier because of that outbreak, even though of course it is heartbreaking about the outbreak itself (my mom was in a nursing home in WA, although not near Seattle, but Portland 'burbs, for a few months before she died 2 years ago, and I can't stop thinking about how it would have been like for her when I think of the outbreaks).

I also noted that there are reasons that it likely was in the Seattle area (as well as some other major west coast metropolitan areas) early.

I don't think, "when it got here," is even a big deal. It's here.

The prior poster to whom I was responding was claiming that she had had it, it had gone through their community, and thus it was ridiculous to be having to stay home when they had already had it as a community, i.e., had herd immunity. That's why it is important to get into how unlikely that is.

And "we" (the place where I live) did not have it first, so I'm not sure what you are getting at with that. My point is that for someone in a place that likely has not gotten it heavily yet at all to assume it wasn't serious and they probably all had it already anyway when we look at what's going on in Italy, in NY/NJ, and increasingly other places lagging somewhat behind NYC in timeline is not very reasonable.

Kris- Very smart

Cmriver- True. I think we have it more contained here than many places our bases did very good in the start until 1 slip up y we lost court y CDC battles to keep the infected on base longer. We wouldn’t have this many even if that wouldn’t have happened in my opinion.
All that matters now is stopping the disease getting vaccines to ways to treat it better y better even new inventions for it. Hopefully it will contain soon but their cancelling stuff All the way into November here . Your in Seattle you were the first we y California didn’t get ours to study treat until after you. Seattle was Patient Zero we got a lady at our base after yours same time California got one too maybe even a few more bases but I only know people from those 2 areas. You were the first for the USA . I believe travel not being stopped sooner tho spread it faster it may not have even spread from the first ones brought here but from someone who traveled here by boat or private jet even. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-03-09/how-coronavirus-spread-from-patient-zero-in-seattle

lo que no te mata te hace más fuerte definitivamente no es cierto aquí con este virus 🦠

I’m making big meals from few ingredients then we’re eating off them for days. Got food coming from online but been back ordered a month so glad for what has showed up .

I went grocery shopping this morning...there was a big difference from a week ago.
Last week, about 20% of people were wearing masks, mostly elderly people.
Today, about 80% were wearing masks, including me for the first time.
The store was mostly normally stocked (except for TP), but there was a very noticeable sense of tension and nervousness among everyone in the store. I hadn't seen that before. I came home very stressed out.

On a lighter note, I'm having a hard time making excuses for not doing things I don't want to do. I'm an active member of a few professional associations. They are, understandably, trying to keep contact with their members, so are scheduling a lot of virtual panel discussions, town hall meetings, virtual happy hours, etc. I have been asked to host/moderate/serve on panels for a lot off these discussions. I like doing some, especially during the day, but some are in the evening, when I just want to watch a movie and drink some wine. But, what's my excuse?? Sorry, I can't that night....I have to....ummmmmm.....?

Lemur, I'm not attacking you.

Just continuing the conversation. I agree with you...but I also think it's been here for a long time and there are thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions who had mild cases and have recovered. The nursing home sent up the flares, but that was in a population that is already vulnerable due to age, illness, and congregate living. It was the cluster and the morbidity that was the big clue. Obviously we know it's been here longer than mid February. Lots of other people outside the nursing home have had it over the past how many months...

Unless and until we get a good antibodies test that is administered to a majority of genpop, no way to know how many. I don't think that will be a priority - ever. I think effective vaccines and treatment will be the places that Public Health spends its money.