Coronavirus prep
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JustSomeEm wrote: »There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI
Oh yeah, plenty of reliable sites debunking the insanity, that's a good one. This same person believes that 5G is a conspiracy by the government to monitor the activities of every one in th US (they need the internet capacity to do it). And the government will DELETE the post because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing. All I can say is
1. Mobile providers can already trace the movements of anyone with an active cell phone. I think it's the CDC that's using the technology to track COVID-19 exposure and infection vectors. They don't need 5G to do that.
2. What on earth is the government (or any agency) going to do with billions of reports of people going to work, the store, school, whatever most of us do on a daily basis? Who's going to pick through all that data to pinpoint Random Person who who attended last night's rally of people who suspect the government is tracking their every move?
Not who. What. As in computers and algorithms. No, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but when you throw weak arguments like that at a conspiracy theory, you only make it easier for them to incorporate straw man arguments into their justifications.2 -
I'm going to try very hard to keep this nonpolitical, in the hope that it will be acceptable according to MFP usage terms.
I think it's worth sharing from a human behavior standpoint.
Here in Michigan, various people feel that the governor/state government is not handling the coronavirus crisis properly (in various ways). One segment is organizing a protest in the state capital (Lansing), in which they hope to achieve a major, noisy traffic jam to oppose what state government is doing. I've heard about this from multiple sources, some in favor and others in opposition to the protest.
I have an opinion about this, of course . . . but I'm not sharing it, because that would be political. I think this is interesting, in a non-partisan sense, as an insight to how people may think about protest and civil disobedience in this kind of situation. In this post, I'm not urging others to support or oppose Michigan's policies, or this protest.
Nothing in the graphic I'm posting takes a clear partisan political perspective. It just describes the organization of the protest.
In my understanding, this is what is proposed:
Please keep any replies non-political.
I think lots of people are going to run their batteries down ("leave lights on" "be loud" "honk horns") and/or run out of gas, which will end up diverting first responder resources to deal with clearing them away, and that will have the same negative effect that blocking first responders would.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI
Oh yeah, plenty of reliable sites debunking the insanity, that's a good one. This same person believes that 5G is a conspiracy by the government to monitor the activities of every one in th US (they need the internet capacity to do it). And the government will DELETE the post because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing. All I can say is
1. Mobile providers can already trace the movements of anyone with an active cell phone. I think it's the CDC that's using the technology to track COVID-19 exposure and infection vectors. They don't need 5G to do that.
2. What on earth is the government (or any agency) going to do with billions of reports of people going to work, the store, school, whatever most of us do on a daily basis? Who's going to pick through all that data to pinpoint Random Person who who attended last night's rally of people who suspect the government is tracking their every move?
Not who. What. As in computers and algorithms. No, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but when you throw weak arguments like that at a conspiracy theory, you only make it easier for them to incorporate straw man arguments into their justifications.
Who also still can apply here, computers arent going to just set themselves up In a spot somewhere and decide on their own to sort through it all...
If we have mobile and free thinking computers already that dont require any human prompting, I highly doubt they're interested in sorting through our boring lives lol4 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
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I am reading this on April 15th. All your fears have materialized.6 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Another update from the Emerald Isle, Thursday afternoon we had an update from Taoiseach (Prime Minister) as our lockdown was previously meant to be until Easter Sunday, they've now extended the measures for a further 3 weeks and deferred school leaving exams until Jul/Aug.
We are still permitted to take exercise within a 2km radius of our homes and essential services remain open including public transport to a very limited degree.
I expect the measures may be extended again for a least a few weeks, as they are still struggling to get adequate testing/results in place to cope with the numbers. At present we've just over 10500 cases and 365 dead, doesn't seem much when you compare it to the likes of the USA/China/Italy/Spain but we have a population of less than 5 million in the Republic, so it's quite the impact.
PS I'd like to say thanks to @snowflake954 for the updates out of Italy, I took your advice and ordered a mask, with some filters (not surgical level, I'd prefer to leave them available for the professionals but better than nothing and I'd rather be safe than sorry) just in case we do follow suit, as expected, they'll take some time to get here but hopefully should have them in a couple of weeks.
That is quite the impact. My US state, Wisconsin, has a similar population although we are twice the size in area. As of yesterday, 3428 cases and 154 deaths. Our governor is taking it seriously (although you may have heard the legislators are not, refusing to allow our election day to be moved).
Is the virus taking a similar path? Our two largest metropolitan areas have the highest numbers (as a percentage of population) and the rural areas have low numbers, some counties not having any confirmed cases.
Sorry I thought I'd posted a reply to this yesterday, obviously didn't press the button in the end, anyway....
Dublin and Cork (Where I am) have the most cases), these are the 2 most populated cities in the country and also where the 2 busiest airports are. Stats up to the 12th April had 5438 cases in County Dublin and 780 in County Cork. County Cork is pretty rural with the exception of the city and a small number of commuter towns, it is nothing like the built-up areas of Dublin and surrounding counties, so we're quite lucky in that respect down here. All counties have some cases, the lowest being County Sligo & County Roscommon but they are both quite small and are pretty rural counties.2 -
Doesn’t it just stand to reason that, by the very fact that there are a lot of people in urban areas, there is increased exposure to others, therefore increased risk of contact with people with covid 19, some unaware of having the virus, and increased chance of the disease spreading more quickly. No one is immune, anywhere. Making it a political/racial issue serves no useful purpose but to be divisive. The blame game does nothing to solve the issue. The experts on how to contain this virus are saying social distancing, staying home and practicing good hand washing and coughing techniques are working to slow down the spread of the disease. That’s very important until a vaccine is developed. There are many involved in developing a vaccine. The Mayo Clinic, here in Minnesota, is one of them. We all need to do our part to help slow it down. Slowing it down is all that can be done until a vaccine is developed.11
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Given the discussion about Operation Gridlock, I found it somewhat ironic that due to weather conditions (at least in part), there was a 50 car pile up on the Kennedy Expressway here this morning, leading to much of the Kennedy getting temporarily shut down and 14 people being transported to the hospital. And that was super early, at a time when even in normal times traffic is moving pretty well (but then moving pretty well contributes more to skidding on ice). (This does not make me more sympathetic to screwing with traffic and preventing other cars from getting through as a protest, no matter who does it.)4
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So some updates from Indiana. They have really upped their reporting game on the Department of Health Website.
We are at 8,527 positive cases, 387 deaths, and 46,017 tested.
- Marion County (Indianapolis and where I work): 3,063 positive and 141 deaths
- Hamilton County (where I live): 499 cases and 27 deaths
- Lake County (near Chicago): 819 cases and 31 deaths
Most cases are either in central Indiana around Indianapolis or in counties that see a lot of travel between states, especially Illinois and Ohio. This makes statistical sense. All counties do now have at least a single positive case though.
We have 46.3% of ICU beds still available and 74.5% of ventilators available. So we did slow things down it looks like and prevent a crash of the medical system.
We are starting to see a steady decline in daily reported cases. Will need more data to see if this continues or if it is simply a timing issue when it comes to reporting. They were saying this past weekend would be our peak so it will be interesting to see what happens.
Females seem to be showing as positive more, but males are dying at a much larger rate (37.7% female to 59.7% male). Will be interesting to see the science that comes out of this statistic to explain it.
African Americans are also dying at a higher rate compared to the percent of population. This makes sense as our African American population seems to be in more urban settings and are front line workers in essential positions per the news. The news also points out the higher rates of comorbidities in this population.
Now, personally, I am not doing well. My mental health has for sure been in a decline. Anxiety has been okay in most situations though I do find I am hyper aware of people around me when I do have to go out. Grocery shopping is hell right now. However, it is my depression that really has me worried. I am in a dark place with now. Last night was really bad. I kept having to remind myself that people do care about me and that my cats needed me. I am the worst I have been since my dad passed away 1.5 years ago. Somedays I just wonder why I even keep trying. It's been rough. My mood is all over the place. I am snapping way to easily at little slights. So I apologize if I have come off harsh at times. No excuses because I should be able to handle myself. I'm just not in a good place right now.
The place I used to work at has had a large number of cases recently. It has pretty much taken out whole shifts and whole departments. Luckily, no one has gotten deathly ill, though a few were hit harder. Many of them had mild to no symptoms which is scary because those are the ones who would just go about their lives (as they are now lol) and spread the virus even though they were following the laws and through no fault of their own.
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Now, personally, I am not doing well. My mental health has for sure been in a decline. Anxiety has been okay in most situations though I do find I am hyper aware of people around me when I do have to go out. Grocery shopping is hell right now. However, it is my depression that really has me worried. I am in a dark place with now. Last night was really bad. I kept having to remind myself that people do care about me and that my cats needed me. I am the worst I have been since my dad passed away 1.5 years ago. Somedays I just wonder why I even keep trying. It's been rough. My mood is all over the place. I am snapping way to easily at little slights. So I apologize if I have come off harsh at times. No excuses because I should be able to handle myself. I'm just not in a good place right now.
That's tough, I'm sorry. I have some darker days too, and am finding that I feel best when I have specific projects (including work, but also in addition to work) that I plan to do and complete, no matter how small. Among other things, it keeps me from obsessing about everything I'm worried about but can do nothing about right now. Interaction of some sort helps too -- this online German class I'm taking is helpful, and just signing up for Zoom discussions or webinars has helped me feel connected, and a friend group is planning a get together that way. Going outside when it's nice helps too, although I get the tradeoff if that makes you feel anxious. Little things like reading books and having my rooms be as bright as possible (I am probably going to have higher electrical bills than usual, but it makes a difference, as does opening the windows when it's light out).
I know some are able to do a virtual therapy session too, if you think that might help.Females seem to be showing as positive more, but males are dying at a much larger rate (37.7% female to 59.7% male). Will be interesting to see the science that comes out of this statistic to explain it.
We (Chicago) have a similar stat, but not as extreme: woman are 48.5% of known cases, but only 41.5% of deaths.3 -
I find people here are really trying to poke loop holes in the lockdown
Over easter weekend 100 people were ticketed. And people are claiming its not fair because the rules are unclear.
The rules to me are fairly simple, do your best to maintain social distance as much as you can within the occupants of your household, do not go visit friends and family but if you have to, the limit is less then 5 and social distance must be maintained. No group or public gatherings at municipal areas, and although its advised, leaving the community should be limited, it's not a law and you can go for a drive.
People were being ticketed at residents where people reported that people were having easter parties.. if police show up to a residence or situation of people over 5 people or confined into a small space where they still cannot maintain social distance... of course they're going to ticket...
Using the logic of a mother changing their babies diaper to justify adults refusing to follow the rules under the guise of confusion is just ridiculous to me11 -
Given the discussion about Operation Gridlock, I found it somewhat ironic that due to weather conditions (at least in part), there was a 50 car pile up on the Kennedy Expressway here this morning, leading to much of the Kennedy getting temporarily shut down and 14 people being transported to the hospital. And that was super early, at a time when even in normal times traffic is moving pretty well (but then moving pretty well contributes more to skidding on ice). (This does not make me more sympathetic to screwing with traffic and preventing other cars from getting through as a protest, no matter who does it.)
Then there was the Cannonball race that recently happened with the winners averaging 100+ mph between NY and CA. If you factor stopping for necessary supplies (gas) and body functions (probably setup to do some/most liquid "dehydration" while moving, maybe plenty of loperamide for the rest)... so stopping for gas and slowing for turns, ice, and slower traffic; they had to be going way faster than 100mph for some of that. Just think if there was a crash and they took up scarce resources (hospital beds). How stupid and selfish!
https://nyti.ms/2Xufth8
ETA: I see a "Disagree" on this... would love to know why. Maybe a race participant is here on MFP?!11 -
As far as school and the distance learning situation, I feel for parents with this.
We are longtime homeschoolers with kids between lower and upper elementary. Even though everyone is calling it homeschool, the distance learning that most parents are now having to oversee is not even close to what most homeschoolers do, when we're talking about homeschool in the truest sense of how most do it.
Seeing so many articles and so much feedback coming out every day about how frustrating and overwhelming it is for parents... if I could say something it would be that this is in no way surprising and I'd feel the same way too.
For one thing parents and kids are being thrown into this very abruptly and with zero preparation. Even if you're like most homeschoolers, choosing your own learning resources, time frames and methods, it is a HUGE change from traditional school. Having a good solid break and then gradually easing into it would be better IMO.
Not to mention we're in a global crisis the likes of which no one has really experienced in their life time.7 -
I haven't posted here in a couple of weeks but I do follow along with the rest of you most days.
Here is the broad outline of what we’re going to be working on here in CA over the next several weeks as we answer these questions. Laying the groundwork for getting people back to work and slowly opening up business again requires a certain amount of planning. We still have cases increasing overall most days in CA but at a very manageable rate from a health care standpoint. Many of these things require some sort of infrastructure to be put in place first and we’re waiting to see our curve trend downward before we get too excited about the future. Our Governor thinks we’ll be able to set a timeline in a couple of weeks.
Whether there is sufficient and fast enough testing to monitor any outbreaks, including by tracing, testing and isolating people who have been exposed to the virus.
Whether officials can prevent infections in vulnerable communities, like among older Californians, and those experiencing homelessness.
Whether hospitals are equipped to handle surges of patients, with enough beds, ventilators and protective equipment for workers.
Whether there’s progress on developing therapies that could help patients recover more quickly. Mr. Newsom said he was optimistic as the state’s research institutions and biotech companies focus their efforts.
Whether physical environments have been adapted to the new reality, with plenty of space for people to keep their distance. This will be especially critical for schools and restaurants.
And whether state and county officials can quickly reinstate stay-at-home orders or other measures if necessary.
Riverside County where we live (in the furthest western part of the county), has the 2nd highest number of cases in CA and we’re a bit of a hotspot within the state. We’re second only behind LA County now. My little horse town community only has 10 cases so far but the rest of the county isn’t faring quite so well. The state began sending “strike teams” to the assisted living communities to help with PPE and staffing issues as well as testing all residents and staff in the hopes of taming the infection rates here.
I’ve been sewing masks for over a week now for family, friends and now neighbors. I leave them in a plastic bag on the front swing with the name of the family I made them for. I’m going through the Nextdoor Neighbor app to connect with people who might need them. My husband saw an elderly man at the grocery store last week wearing a pair of boxers wrapped around his face and so I decided that we could do better than that. I’m donating them of course and make between 10 and 15 masks a day. Over the weekend families I left them out front for left a bottle of wine and flowers for me, so unexpected, and yesterday I received 4 rolls of TP for 4 masks……………sooooo funny.
I left the house for the first time in 3.5 weeks yesterday to go to CVS when they opened. I was the only one in the store, other than clerks and a Pepsi delivery guy. I wore both mask and gloves and it felt bizarre to be honest.
Hoping this ends soon but I’m not counting on it yet. Hope you’re all doing well.
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LOL, I'm wondering what I said that someone would disagree with? I didn't state an opinion just the facts from where I live. Very strange.11
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Someone's got their finger stuck on the button, they've been doing it on all my posts on multiple boards as well5
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »LOL, I'm wondering what I said that someone would disagree with? I didn't state an opinion just the facts from where I live. Very strange.
It happens to some people when scrolling the app, it can be quite touch sensitive similar to liking all the comments in your newsfeed including your own. That and some folk are just weird.
I got a disagree on my update on Ireland's situation and thank you to another user yesterday, not sure how someone could disagree with that either, so unless they can be bothered to explain what they are disagreeing with I'll presume it was erroneous.8 -
It's true it could just be one of those odd MFP things, there are so many
I'll do the same and presume it was just a mistake. 5 -
Yes, I've definitely hit the disagree button by accident. I scroll w my right finger and it's exactly where my finger ends up. I un-disagree whenever I do it, but maybe I've done it without noticing too.8
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »There was a drive by shooting last night a couple of blocks from us. Same area where there have been several shootings in the past (one just last year). Someone was airlifted to the hospital with a head wound. I know it has to do with just a few houses on that block but I'm still shaken.
Then I get on Next Door to see what happened, and 5G lady is going on about towers going up secretly overnight without notification and it's very concerning. According to some conspiracy site she posted "the towers transmit waves that cause flu-like symptoms that worsen (just like coronavirus) even to the extent of death".
Meanwhile my husband and I stopped by a friend's house to drop off a bike wheel that's been in the trunk of his car since he got furloughed. We talked face to face while she sat on the lawn and we sat in the car, and I was so pathetically happy to have an actual in person conversation.
This is a strange conspiracy theory that has been thoroughly debunked.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-5g-idUSKBN2133TI
Oh yeah, plenty of reliable sites debunking the insanity, that's a good one. This same person believes that 5G is a conspiracy by the government to monitor the activities of every one in th US (they need the internet capacity to do it). And the government will DELETE the post because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing. All I can say is
1. Mobile providers can already trace the movements of anyone with an active cell phone. I think it's the CDC that's using the technology to track COVID-19 exposure and infection vectors. They don't need 5G to do that.
2. What on earth is the government (or any agency) going to do with billions of reports of people going to work, the store, school, whatever most of us do on a daily basis? Who's going to pick through all that data to pinpoint Random Person who who attended last night's rally of people who suspect the government is tracking their every move?
Not who. What. As in computers and algorithms. No, I'm not a conspiracy nut, but when you throw weak arguments like that at a conspiracy theory, you only make it easier for them to incorporate straw man arguments into their justifications.
Yes ultimately computers will do the work but we are really far from having the capability to sort through billions upon billions of data bits to identify and track whatever info is considered a threat. We absolutely have the capability to target and capture communications that fall into specific threat categories but human analysts (themselves a scarce resource) are still required to determine how limited resources will be allocated.
I don't agree it's a weak argument but I do agree it's unlikely to convince anyone who already believes [insert agency name] is hell-bent on tracking their every move that it's just not possible with the technology we have today or will have in the foreseeable future.
I do believe that the type of targeted tracking we are capable of doing already feeds the fear some people have that someone is always looking over their shoulder. I also believe that that kind of tracking raises huge privacy red flags, even when used for what would be considered a good cause such as tracing tracking virus exposure.
ETA I'm not a conspiracy theorist either 😄 My career has given me some insight into how tracking communications works, though I'm absolutely not claiming expert status or asserting my view as ground truth 😊0 -
My post saying I'm struggling with realizing I plan to move across the country to live with my mother when she is unable to live alone was not intended to be a criticism of assisted living and nursing home employees. From followup posts on the topic by others I feel like my post was misunderstood. Those facilities have been very hard hit by this virus and as there's one especially hard hit one a block from me that I walk past every day, it's on my mind a lot. There are some good and some bad employees working there. Many of them have gotten the virus. I think it is for good reason they can't have visitors there right now. I just don't want my mother to be in one, and she doesn't want to be in one. And I'm struggling with the realization that I need to move my career and my life across the country so she doesn't have to be. The post was about me, not a criticism of any employees of those facilities.
Speaking for myself, I didn't take your post that way at all. I admire and respect people who want to take care of aging parents, take them into their homes, support them diligently. You sound like a very caring child, and I think that's wonderful: A credit not just to you, but to your mother who raised you. Each person needs to deal with their situation uniquely, and it's wrong for others to judge those choices (at least when the choices are within the range of humane, of course!).6
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