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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
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You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
We still have a product limit (two packs), though it seems unnecessary at this point, at least in my town. I had wondered if our ample supply was because I live in a small town with a high retired population, so home consumption may not have increased as much, but friends around the country tell me there are no issues with the tissues elsewhere either.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
We still have a product limit (two packs), though it seems unnecessary at this point, at least in my town. I had wondered if our ample supply was because I live in a small town with a high retired population, so home consumption may not have increased as much, but friends around the country tell me there are no issues with the tissues elsewhere either.
FWIW, there's been TP on my recent trips, too, here in Michigan/US, mid-sized city, at both Kroger and Costco. I've been there in the mid-afternoon. The shelves have been more depleted than pre-virus, but there was some there. (I didn't buy any; I tend to buy a giant Costco bale every few months - hate to shop - and had just replenished mine about a month before this excitement happened.)3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!8 -
snowflake954 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »I admit I've not watched any news in 4 days.. I was just so over it, I needed a break. I watched tonight and was sad to see it now at 83 😔 seems like only the other day it was under 50. Stop.. I just wish that figure would not go higher.
We have 27,000 dead, I think, as of yesterday.
That is awful.. 😔 far far too many. Even one is too many. I think of every family that has been touched and devastated in some way by this.
On tv I see them throwing out the numbers, its almost like they forget that those numbers are people, someone's loved ones 😔5 -
@whoami67
Is that photo really of HB yesterday? I don't see any masks, and I've seen only a few people out without masks in SoCal the past couple weeks, even out near the beach (not on the beach; mine is closed).
Yes, unfortunately that was a real photo of Huntington Beach yesterday, Newport Beach is the same although the Wedge is closed. It was much the same today from what I saw on the news this evening. They're saying people are social distancing but from the photos I've seen I'm not very confident of that. I live in Riverside County, the 2nd hardest hit county in CA. Los Angeles is 1st of course. I'm pretty sure people from Long Beach, Seal Beach and others north of Huntington drove to the beaches in OC. I also know for a fact that our Governor does not support opening the beaches.
We drove out to Lake Elsinore yesterday in hopes of seeing the poppies blooming and drove along the lake. Only sporadic small groups of people there but Riverside County is much more strict than OC and we have to wear masks when we go out. BTW, the poppies are still about a week I think from the best view of the fields. They still haven't really opened up yet so we're driving by next weekend again. You can't stop there though or walk through there.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!
Yes, exactly the same here. Except there were some packages of TP (not much, but some) in mid-March here. None since. And a lot of other stuff is either out or in low supply. I don't know about pasta, beans, soup, or rice because I don't eat those and wouldn't notice if out. But cleaning products have been hard to come by also, but I live alone and it takes awhile to run out of something. The only thing I needed to refill thus far was toilet bowl cleaner. I found some stuff online that is totally different than what I normally use. It's a sticky gel that comes with an applicator. You apparently apply some of it on the inside of the toilet bowl just under the rim so that every time you flush, water flows over it and washes/mixes some of the gel cleaner into the bowl. I've never heard of this product before, but it is what I was able to find online when nobody had the normal stuff. It says a tube should last up to 8 weeks and I got 2 tubes, so should be able to make this last awhile.3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I went to the laundromat today and then to the store. I have plenty of food to last awhile, but was hoping they had toilet paper back in stock. This time, I decided to not try several stores as I know that if a store is out, they all are. No sense in putting myself at additional risk for no benefit whatsoever.
The toilet paper aisle here looks exactly the same as it has for well over a month now. What is surprising is that there are still 4 boxes of Kleenex remaining. It's a respiratory illness, so that doesn't make sense... anyway, no toilet paper and no paper towels either. And since some people didn't believe me last time, here's a photo for the skeptics:
Good grief!
If you get desperate enough to drive down here we’re starting to see normal supply in the outskirts of Memphis. I found both tp and paper towels at both Kroger and Walmart in Collierville. Still very low on cleaning products but I also managed to snag some bleach. This week’s shortage was meat - I guess there is a panic starting due to news about the plants closing, but chicken was entirely gone and other meat very scant.
@rheddmobile , we’re in the same neck of the woods! Husband struck out on TP at Costco and Target last week (paper towels available and even some hand sanitizer at Target!), but I found some tp at Kroger, so we’re good for a another few weeks! Target guy told him to come back at 7:45, but that was senior hours and we weren’t in dire need....maybe in a week I might have had to be “that woman”, but was happily spared that. At the beginning of the panic he found some in MS bc there was none here.
Costco was out of chicken—the meat guy said they were getting less in and it was gone by mid morning. They were also out of random produce, like strawberries. We’re trying not to shop that often, but it’s getting tough (we have 4 boys, so there’s a lot of eating happening here!) when Walmart or Kroger pickup/delivery is “out” of 10 of your 25 items (and often if you just walk in, boom, whole shelf full of frozen spinach/half and half they said they were out of) or they won’t sell you any tp unless you physically go in and get it.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?
OMG that's horrible.
People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone.
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
It isn’t sustainable, but we’re talking about a microscopic virus that anyone is vulnerable to contracting and spreading through contact with another person possibly, without any knowledge of having the virus. Common sense should prevail by limiting possible contact through unnecessary mingling in society, until there’s a vaccine available. Going to the beach, or getting your nails done, isn’t really necessary. Reopening slowly, with strict guidelines and safety equipment (masks etc). Daily monitoring of the health of employees. Keeping track of who we have been in contact with, being mindful of the chance of contracting the virus through possible contact.
But you'd have to convince people that they are in fact in mortal danger.
The numbers just don't support that.
AND - that microscopic virus...you think you're vigilent enough to mitigate any possible contact for the 18 months that it will take to create a vaccination process? Because I don't think I am, and I live alone so I 100% control my environment.
I'm not saying you're making this argument, but I see a lot of people in the "open up now" camp whose argument seems to be that because 100% safety cannot be achieved through social distancing and limiting trips out of the house to what is necessary, people shouldn't bother with any efforts to reduce risk. As though not going to a bar for a drink is only worth it if that one action confers 100% safety on everybody.9 -
I bought groceries this a.m. and was surprised at all the stuff I couldn't get or had to find substitutes for; it didn't seem to be like this even in the beginning. I thought retailers were catching up, maybe I just picked a bad time or something.
On the upside I'd have to say a majority of the shoppers/workers are now wearing masks. Even if masks are not 100% effective, it makes me feel a bit more protected.
I went to the grocery store yesterday for the first time in two weeks. Was surprised to see bread, milk, eggs all in stock. But in addition to continued bare shelves for toilet paper, disinfectant wipes, disinfectant spray, and flour, new categories of things were out of stock: vegetable oil and spray (although pricier brands of olive oil were still available) and canned pie fillings. I usually keep a can or two of pumpkin around for a variety of uses (smoothies, oatmeal stir-in, pasta sauce, soups and stews), and both the major national brand and the store brand were sold out, but there were a few cans of a brand I'd never heard of, which I reluctantly picked up to see if it was plain pumpkin or the pie filling with spices and other stuff already added. Fortunately it was the plain pumpkin, because I've been trying really hard not to pick thing up and put them back.
Everybody had a face covering, as it's now a state mandate, but a lot of people were oblivious of the directional arrows on the floor and were not making any attempt to maintain six feet of distance, despite frequent announcements to do so. They are the ones who worry me, because if they won't follow that rule when I can see them, I have to assume they aren't following other rules when I can't see them.9 -
Hand sanitizer: If you have a local craft distillery - one that usually makes vodka, whiskey, gin, etc. - check their FB/web page, or call to see if they have hand sanitizer. My local sells it in gallons, or 2oz, at about cost to make. I've read about places in other parts of the country doing similar things. Helps a local business, helps you.7
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Hand sanitizer: If you have a local craft distillery - one that usually makes vodka, whiskey, gin, etc. - check their FB/web page, or call to see if they have hand sanitizer. My local sells it in gallons, or 2oz, at about cost to make. I've read about places in other parts of the country doing similar things. Helps a local business, helps you.
Yes! There is a place nearby that changed from making whiskey to hand sanitizer. I heard they sell the bottle (32 oz., I think? I don't drink whiskey, so not exactly sure what the bottle size is) for $35. That may be a little expensive for that size of container, but not terrible. Also, they are new to making it and I'm sure materials went up in cost too... so probably is about right. They were supplying the nearest hospital as well and not sure if they were charging or how much. If not, that explains part of the cost too. Either way, $35 for about a liter isn't bad.2 -
TP seems to have reappeared here as suddenly as it disappeared.
Stock has never been terrible, have managed to get some all along if I go as soon as shops open - but on weekend there was shelves full at both supermarkets on Sat afternoon.
Went to shops again Sun, just to get the weekend newspaper, still plenty on shelves Sun afternoon.
This would be unheard of a mere week ago.
( still one pack per customer)3 -
I'm a little concerned about food.
I've heard that meat processing plants are having a really hard time keeping up production, because of course they are. I can go without meat, but if meat processing plants are having a hard time, I imagine all food production is having a hard time, and I'm worried. I don't know what if anything I can do, besides try to garden, but even then, I definitely can't produce enough to feed my family.
I guess we'll just have to see what happens.4 -
Yeh, predicting what is or isn't available for each week has become sort of a mind game.
Plenty of toilet paper and paper towels now, lots of bread, eggs are dwindling, I still find no hand sanitizer or disinfectant wipes, few bottles of bleach now, but no mushrooms, no spinach or lettuce type products? The ups and downs of product availability is strange and doesn't jive with my weekly shopping list. Lol
Not only that, they recommend you only visit the store once a week to keep exposure down but how can you do that if you can't find half of what you're looking for? I know some things I can substitute but I'm a spoiled brat who wants what I want.
When there are very few greens and no mushrooms..........:/ Subbing ice cream hasn't helped. 4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Hand sanitizer: If you have a local craft distillery - one that usually makes vodka, whiskey, gin, etc. - check their FB/web page, or call to see if they have hand sanitizer. My local sells it in gallons, or 2oz, at about cost to make. I've read about places in other parts of the country doing similar things. Helps a local business, helps you.
Yes! There is a place nearby that changed from making whiskey to hand sanitizer. I heard they sell the bottle (32 oz., I think? I don't drink whiskey, so not exactly sure what the bottle size is) for $35. That may be a little expensive for that size of container, but not terrible. Also, they are new to making it and I'm sure materials went up in cost too... so probably is about right. They were supplying the nearest hospital as well and not sure if they were charging or how much. If not, that explains part of the cost too. Either way, $35 for about a liter isn't bad.
Local central IL distillery is selling hand sanitizer for $56.65 a gallon. Don't know where you're at but sounds high.0 -
Still very little TP or Bleach in this area, though I hit walmart yesterday at mid-day, and they had store-brand bleach and were restocking a limited supply of TP. One of the local grocery stores was selling single rolls - which I actually think is brilliant. It seems that folks are not as likely to make the effort to hoard single rolls, so maybe that will help stop hoarding and make sure folks who actually need it can get some. And it made me feel better to know that when I run out, I can at least go buy a roll or two at that store.
Today, I'm grateful for the ability to work from home and continue to provide for my family. I'm grateful for the knowledge of how to make many of my own things. I'm grateful for the ability to take mid-day work-break walks with my boys and pups. I'm grateful that my sons can do schooling online. I'm grateful.
Anyway, in case anyone needs it, PSA:7 -
CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »I'm a little concerned about food.
I've heard that meat processing plants are having a really hard time keeping up production, because of course they are. I can go without meat, but if meat processing plants are having a hard time, I imagine all food production is having a hard time, and I'm worried. I don't know what if anything I can do, besides try to garden, but even then, I definitely can't produce enough to feed my family.
I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
The issue with meat right now is that the major processing facilities are dealing with outbreaks. I believe the affect on food production will depend on how centralized the production of each item is, where those facilities are located, and how proactive the company is about safeguarding their workers and how crowded with employees those facilities typically are.
Unfortunately it seems commercial meat production in the US is quite centralized and required a lot of people in those buildings. So a couple of facilities go down and everyone feels it.4 -
CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »I'm a little concerned about food.
I've heard that meat processing plants are having a really hard time keeping up production, because of course they are. I can go without meat, but if meat processing plants are having a hard time, I imagine all food production is having a hard time, and I'm worried. I don't know what if anything I can do, besides try to garden, but even then, I definitely can't produce enough to feed my family.
I guess we'll just have to see what happens.
The issue with meat right now is that the major processing facilities are dealing with outbreaks. I believe the affect on food production will depend on how centralized the production of each item is, where those facilities are located, and how proactive the company is about safeguarding their workers and how crowded with employees those facilities typically are.
Unfortunately it seems commercial meat production in the US is quite centralized and required a lot of people in those buildings. So a couple of facilities go down and everyone feels it.
Agreed, my brother works in fruit processing and they are crazy strict right now because one outbreak could take out the whole plant, and that would impact a lot of packaged goods, like baked goods and frozen fruit, way up the chain. Fortunately, they are legit in the middle of nowhere, very rural, so COVID-19 hasn't really been able to take hold in the community in any major fashion due to more natural social distancing.6 -
I'm pretty concerned about this whole food chain thing - and not just meat. I would say to everyone, stock up on protein powder, pasta or wheat, nuts, beans, whatever protein sources you see at the store. Canned vegetables and fruits, etc.
I guess the government *could* deploy the National Guard or military to run the factories if it comes to that. Let's pray it doesn't.3 -
The only chronic shortage I am seeing here is powdered milk. My local Pig has received exactly one shipment of it in the last 2 months. I don't normally use it but have been keeping a sourdough starter and want to make English muffins. All recipes I have call for powdered milk. Both regular and evaporated add too much moisture to the dough. I have buttermilk powder but think it might be too rich.
This is especially ironic since area farmers are dumping milk because the demand has gone way down with institutions like schools and restaurants closed. The powdered milk manufacturers cannot keep up with demand but they don't have the facilities to cope with excess supply.1 -
earlnabby, can you use whey protein powder? I would think it would work.0
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The food supply hiccups are what prompted my kick in the rear to get my garden going this year! Lettuce is finally getting some real leaves on it, Swiss chard is getting bigger, might be a good strawberry crop with the growth off of last year’s plants, seeds started for several other things. Will it be enough to fully supply my family? No, but hopefully the farm down the road will continue to stay in operation so I can stock up once a week on seasonal produce from there as well. Our freezer is full of beef, we get 4 eggs a day from my old hens, with 9 new chicks in preparation for the next year or two of egg production (my current hens are going on 3 years old so they are slowing down).5
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One option I've been using is buying direct from farmers. I haven't needed meat yet, but they are selling that too. The website for my favorite farmers market has contact information for those participating.3
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cmriverside wrote: »I'm pretty concerned about this whole food chain thing - and not just meat. I would say to everyone, stock up on protein powder, pasta or wheat, nuts, beans, whatever protein sources you see at the store. Canned vegetables and fruits, etc.
I guess the government *could* deploy the National Guard or military to run the factories if it comes to that. Let's pray it doesn't.
What's the difference between stocking up and hording.
The national guard, etc can not run slaughter houses. Farmers have started killing pigs at birth, crushing fertilized eggs and dumping milk in some areas.5 -
One option I've been using is buying direct from farmers. I haven't needed meat yet, but they are selling that too. The website for my favorite farmers market has contact information for those participating.
That's great advice. A lot of small farmers who are used to selling at farmers markets are really struggling with so many markets closed.
If your market website doesn't have information, you could try something like the Weston A. Price Foundation and contact the local chapter leader for a list of local farms.
And if you're bored out of your mind staying home, a drive to a local farm might be fun.2 -
fitlulu4150 wrote: »We drove out to Lake Elsinore yesterday in hopes of seeing the poppies blooming and drove along the lake. Only sporadic small groups of people there but Riverside County is much more strict than OC and we have to wear masks when we go out. BTW, the poppies are still about a week I think from the best view of the fields. They still haven't really opened up yet so we're driving by next weekend again. You can't stop there though or walk through there.
Stay safe where you are!
A few months ago I had tentatively planned to go see the poppies in Antelope Valley this year and was talking with some neighbors about it last week. I decided not to go. They've asked us not to and while I'm more a proponent of opening things than keeping them closed, I am trying to abide by the guidelines, mandated and suggested. Apparently, they've set up cameras so we can see the poppies from the comfort of our living rooms (not the same thing at all!), and there are road blocks and police patrols to keep us out. I do have some in bloom in the neighborhood to look at. I guess I'll have to pretend.
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@whoami67, we're fortunate here, we can see them quite well from the freeway so we don't actually have to stop. It was so crowded last year that we couldn't find a place to park anyway and I saw a lot of people off trails and traipsing through the poppies. I wasn't happy about that at all. If we go next weekend I'll post a couple of photos for you..............
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One option I've been using is buying direct from farmers. I haven't needed meat yet, but they are selling that too. The website for my favorite farmers market has contact information for those participating.
I'd also encourage folks to think about how shoestring operations (like some small farmers markets here) use social media. My favorite inner-city market doesn't have a lot of web site updates, but they've shared out farmer contact info on Facebook. Others may use Twitter or IG or others for mini updates - depends on who's running their social.
Also, if I search "Farm (mycityname)" on Facebook, I get some red herrings and regular stores, but the first dozen hits also include a couple of the farms that are selling right out of their farm/greenhouse. You may have to search a little (and the suggestion in this paragraph may not work for truly large cities - my metro is a few hundred thousand, with rural close . . . though some of these (mini-)farms are actually in the city.)
If I pretend I'm in Detroit (big metro, virus hotspot, about 90 minutes away), and Google "Detroit farms produce buying coronavirus", I immediately get recent news stories in my first 5 hits that include lists of local places to join CSAs, get produce boxes, buy meat/dairy/eggs, etc.
Five or ten minutes spent doing some creative searching may get you options in your area.
Yeah, it takes time to find them, at first. But some of the locals are doing a service that's quick on the other end, once you find it: Select items on line, pay online, go to the farm/greenhouse, they put your box in your car trunk, drive home. Easy. Some even deliver, or connect with delivery services.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I'm pretty concerned about this whole food chain thing - and not just meat. I would say to everyone, stock up on protein powder, pasta or wheat, nuts, beans, whatever protein sources you see at the store. Canned vegetables and fruits, etc.
I guess the government *could* deploy the National Guard or military to run the factories if it comes to that. Let's pray it doesn't.
What's the difference between stocking up and hording.
The national guard, etc can not run slaughter houses. Farmers have started killing pigs at birth, crushing fertilized eggs and dumping milk in some areas.
One starts with an "s", the other starts with an "h".?6
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