Coronavirus prep
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rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I went to the laundromat today and then to the store. I have plenty of food to last awhile, but was hoping they had toilet paper back in stock. This time, I decided to not try several stores as I know that if a store is out, they all are. No sense in putting myself at additional risk for no benefit whatsoever.
The toilet paper aisle here looks exactly the same as it has for well over a month now. What is surprising is that there are still 4 boxes of Kleenex remaining. It's a respiratory illness, so that doesn't make sense... anyway, no toilet paper and no paper towels either. And since some people didn't believe me last time, here's a photo for the skeptics:
Good grief!
If you get desperate enough to drive down here we’re starting to see normal supply in the outskirts of Memphis. I found both tp and paper towels at both Kroger and Walmart in Collierville. Still very low on cleaning products but I also managed to snag some bleach. This week’s shortage was meat - I guess there is a panic starting due to news about the plants closing, but chicken was entirely gone and other meat very scant.
I know the Tyson plant in Waterloo, IA was under heavy scrutiny because a lot of workers were infected and a big chunk of the total cases in Iowa are related to that plant. I think it closed, at least for the weekend to clean if nothing else. My neighbor works at the Tyson pork plant here in NW Tennessee and says they are still churning out a lot of product. My brother-in-law works at the Tyson beef plant in Omaha and has been working as well. They are taking temperatures of employees and taking some additional measures to avoid spread there.0 -
I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
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Instead, I will give you this new case breakdown that's appeared on our stats information page:Transmission
Transmission type of total confirmed and probable cases
Transmission type % of cases
Imported cases 39%
Imported related cases 41%
Locally acquired cases, epidemiologically linked 15%
Locally acquired cases, unknown source 3%
Source under investigation 2%
Source: ESR EpiSurv extract as at 09:00 26 April 2020
Please note that ESR has changed the source definitions, cases have been classified by source of infection as follows:- Imported cases: Cases with a reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset.
- Imported related cases: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or epidemiological link) to an imported/overseas acquired case.
- Locally acquired cases, epidemiologically linked: Cases that have a reported link (close contact or other epidemiological link) to a locally acquired case with unknown source.
- Locally acquired cases, unknown source: Cases that have no reported history of international travel within 14 days of onset and no recorded epidemiological link to a source case.
- Source of infection remains under investigation whereby source of infection could not be classified due to incomplete EpiSurv case report forms. These cases are removed from further analyses in the sections below.
And New Zealand's full stats page for anyone interested: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases2 -
fitlulu4150 wrote: »Here's a pic from Huntington Beach in CA from today. Yeah, I think people have given up on social distancing, at least at the beaches here. I grew up between HB and Newport Beach in CA and while this isn't crowded by many standards, I don't think folks are really obeying the rules here. No clue what that might mean but as a 70 year old, I kind of think I'm going to be staying home for a long time even though I'd love nothing better than to go to the beach.
Los Angeles County beaches are still closed. I wonder how many of those people in the photo are from Los Angeles County?1 -
cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?
OMG that's horrible.
People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone.
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
It's not that hard to inforce. They closed our beaches down. You weren't supposed to be driving around unless it was for a very good reason so I never got to see the beaches. We are finally allowed to go fishing for fun again as of midnight tonight. Before you were only allowed if it was because you needed to for food.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?
OMG that's horrible. People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone.
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
It's not that hard to inforce. They closed our beaches down. You weren't supposed to be driving around unless it was for a very good reason so I never got to see the beaches. We are finally allowed to go fishing for fun again as of midnight tonight. Before you were only allowed if it was because you needed to for food.
Oh, I understand - every public park/beach/trail in Washington state has been closed for five weeks. I live on the border of a county park. I can tell you that people are still using it. Ya can't fence off the whole thing. They are not even booking criminals right now. We are on the honor system. Not even ticketing violators. Unless they invoke martial law, how would you suggest they stop people? In the U.S. the police are not going to stop people.
What country are you in?
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Beaches in SA were open - but our case load was a lot less and given it is late autumn now and I am a lot further south ( in the southern hemisphere, of course) than Mockchoc and SA is less densely populated than Qld, especially coastal area of Qld like the Gold Coast - then socially distancing on beaches here wasnt hard to acheive.
beaches like Gold Coast, Bondi beach etc in eastern states - different story. They were all closed.
I dont think it is realistic to keep this level up until a vaccine become available in 12 or 18 months
The question seems to me how much to reduce restrictions and at what rate - not how to keep them all going for 18 months ish
Of course that will vary by location
I expect some states of Australia will be ahead of others there - whilst keeping their borders closed, at least to states not yet under control.
All of Australia looks likely to keep international borders closed for rest of the year - exception being to New Zealand and possibly small pacific nations - Fiji and co.
Trip to daughters wedding in UK in August - looking extremely unlikely now
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Australia cmriverdside. I'm so sorry you probably can't go to the wedding paperpudding. Any chance of them postponing it?0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.5 -
Is that photo really of HB yesterday? I don't see any masks, and I've seen only a few people out without masks in SoCal the past couple weeks, even out near the beach (not on the beach; mine is closed).
I don't have A/C and I don't know very many people who live in my area who have it. The heatwave the past few days has made the beach very attractive. I don't blame people for going there; usually we go to malls and movie theaters when the heat waves come. A lot of L.A. is like a very poor third world country and many of us are without A/C. From what I've read, most people are social distancing very well on the sand and the life guards are enforcing it.
Apparently, there was a small protest in my town this weekend. The local paper reported one protestor, but the letters to the editor clarified that there were close to a dozen. They were protesting on the forbidden beach side of the street well distanced from each other. The police politely asked them to move to the other side, they did, and that was about it. There were certainly no guns. The sidewalk on the beach side is closed, meaning there are tons of walkers, runners, baby carriages, bikes, pets, etc all crowded onto the other sidewalk. It'd probably facilitate social distancing better to open up the other sidewalk.
I'm very ready to lift some of these restrictions. I want the west sidewalk open. I'm unsure about opening the beach. I'd like it for neighborhood folks, but I don't want the entire population of L.A. County crowding around. I don't see why retail stores can't operate like grocery stores, with limited customers inside and curbside pickup. My hairdresser in a mask and gloves is probably at very little risk if the chairs are suitably distanced. I've never had a manicure without ending up bleeding and infected so I wouldn't open those yet.
It seems like we've flattened the curve and given the medical industry time to prepare for this. We're all supposed to get it anyway and a vaccine could be six months away or sixty years away or never. We can't put life on hold forever.
I think the NYC metro area and maybe a couple other cities should stay on lockdown, but the vast majority of the country doesn't really have a coronavirus problem and isn't likely to have one.6 -
Stock photo?12 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
We still have a product limit (two packs), though it seems unnecessary at this point, at least in my town. I had wondered if our ample supply was because I live in a small town with a high retired population, so home consumption may not have increased as much, but friends around the country tell me there are no issues with the tissues elsewhere either.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
We still have a product limit (two packs), though it seems unnecessary at this point, at least in my town. I had wondered if our ample supply was because I live in a small town with a high retired population, so home consumption may not have increased as much, but friends around the country tell me there are no issues with the tissues elsewhere either.
FWIW, there's been TP on my recent trips, too, here in Michigan/US, mid-sized city, at both Kroger and Costco. I've been there in the mid-afternoon. The shelves have been more depleted than pre-virus, but there was some there. (I didn't buy any; I tend to buy a giant Costco bale every few months - hate to shop - and had just replenished mine about a month before this excitement happened.)3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!8 -
snowflake954 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »I admit I've not watched any news in 4 days.. I was just so over it, I needed a break. I watched tonight and was sad to see it now at 83 😔 seems like only the other day it was under 50. Stop.. I just wish that figure would not go higher.
We have 27,000 dead, I think, as of yesterday.
That is awful.. 😔 far far too many. Even one is too many. I think of every family that has been touched and devastated in some way by this.
On tv I see them throwing out the numbers, its almost like they forget that those numbers are people, someone's loved ones 😔5 -
@whoami67
Is that photo really of HB yesterday? I don't see any masks, and I've seen only a few people out without masks in SoCal the past couple weeks, even out near the beach (not on the beach; mine is closed).
Yes, unfortunately that was a real photo of Huntington Beach yesterday, Newport Beach is the same although the Wedge is closed. It was much the same today from what I saw on the news this evening. They're saying people are social distancing but from the photos I've seen I'm not very confident of that. I live in Riverside County, the 2nd hardest hit county in CA. Los Angeles is 1st of course. I'm pretty sure people from Long Beach, Seal Beach and others north of Huntington drove to the beaches in OC. I also know for a fact that our Governor does not support opening the beaches.
We drove out to Lake Elsinore yesterday in hopes of seeing the poppies blooming and drove along the lake. Only sporadic small groups of people there but Riverside County is much more strict than OC and we have to wear masks when we go out. BTW, the poppies are still about a week I think from the best view of the fields. They still haven't really opened up yet so we're driving by next weekend again. You can't stop there though or walk through there.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!
Yes, exactly the same here. Except there were some packages of TP (not much, but some) in mid-March here. None since. And a lot of other stuff is either out or in low supply. I don't know about pasta, beans, soup, or rice because I don't eat those and wouldn't notice if out. But cleaning products have been hard to come by also, but I live alone and it takes awhile to run out of something. The only thing I needed to refill thus far was toilet bowl cleaner. I found some stuff online that is totally different than what I normally use. It's a sticky gel that comes with an applicator. You apparently apply some of it on the inside of the toilet bowl just under the rim so that every time you flush, water flows over it and washes/mixes some of the gel cleaner into the bowl. I've never heard of this product before, but it is what I was able to find online when nobody had the normal stuff. It says a tube should last up to 8 weeks and I got 2 tubes, so should be able to make this last awhile.3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I went to the laundromat today and then to the store. I have plenty of food to last awhile, but was hoping they had toilet paper back in stock. This time, I decided to not try several stores as I know that if a store is out, they all are. No sense in putting myself at additional risk for no benefit whatsoever.
The toilet paper aisle here looks exactly the same as it has for well over a month now. What is surprising is that there are still 4 boxes of Kleenex remaining. It's a respiratory illness, so that doesn't make sense... anyway, no toilet paper and no paper towels either. And since some people didn't believe me last time, here's a photo for the skeptics:
Good grief!
If you get desperate enough to drive down here we’re starting to see normal supply in the outskirts of Memphis. I found both tp and paper towels at both Kroger and Walmart in Collierville. Still very low on cleaning products but I also managed to snag some bleach. This week’s shortage was meat - I guess there is a panic starting due to news about the plants closing, but chicken was entirely gone and other meat very scant.
@rheddmobile , we’re in the same neck of the woods! Husband struck out on TP at Costco and Target last week (paper towels available and even some hand sanitizer at Target!), but I found some tp at Kroger, so we’re good for a another few weeks! Target guy told him to come back at 7:45, but that was senior hours and we weren’t in dire need....maybe in a week I might have had to be “that woman”, but was happily spared that. At the beginning of the panic he found some in MS bc there was none here.
Costco was out of chicken—the meat guy said they were getting less in and it was gone by mid morning. They were also out of random produce, like strawberries. We’re trying not to shop that often, but it’s getting tough (we have 4 boys, so there’s a lot of eating happening here!) when Walmart or Kroger pickup/delivery is “out” of 10 of your 25 items (and often if you just walk in, boom, whole shelf full of frozen spinach/half and half they said they were out of) or they won’t sell you any tp unless you physically go in and get it.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »The Memphis protest had like three guys at it. It rained, and no one was invested enough in the protest to get wet. One of the three wasn’t even from here, he drove in from Fayette county.
The few protesters we do have in Tennessee are a nasty breed, however. Nashville had some chick with a sign that said “Sacrifice the Weak.” Sign went viral. I always wonder, don’t any of these people have elderly parents? Or do they just really not like them much?
OMG that's horrible. People like that, actually have friends and family that still speak to them? Oh wait, being stupid and unfeeling isn't just one isolated incident. And it's not just the elderly parents anymore. It's children, babies, essential workers, doctors/nurses, healthy 20-30-40-50 yos., deaths are touching everyone.
Definitely a lot of ignorance out there. I read the other day about a 5 month old dying from this. It’s very sad the total lack of compassion.
The thing is with that image of the beach: most of those groups are six feet apart. That's the "rule" in California, right? I know here in Washington the rule also states to not be within six feet of anyone, and to not go out with people that you don't live with. Well, in my twenties I lived in a couple different houses with 4-6 unrelated people. What are you gonna do? Stop everyone and ask for ID? I mean, it's impossible to enforce, most people won't obey it anyway, and like someone said upthread the paranoia isn't good for us at all. Being afraid of every person out there is bad.
I live in King County, WA. We've been locked down since March 11. It's not sustainable. With about 500 people per 100,000 testing positive (and that number is derived by only testing those with symptoms, so I concede it's not representational) it's pretty hard to strike a lot of fear into people. Out of those 6,000 people who tested positive (out of a population of 2.2 million,) 361 have died. 224 of those were over 80 YO.
It isn’t sustainable, but we’re talking about a microscopic virus that anyone is vulnerable to contracting and spreading through contact with another person possibly, without any knowledge of having the virus. Common sense should prevail by limiting possible contact through unnecessary mingling in society, until there’s a vaccine available. Going to the beach, or getting your nails done, isn’t really necessary. Reopening slowly, with strict guidelines and safety equipment (masks etc). Daily monitoring of the health of employees. Keeping track of who we have been in contact with, being mindful of the chance of contracting the virus through possible contact.
But you'd have to convince people that they are in fact in mortal danger.
The numbers just don't support that.
AND - that microscopic virus...you think you're vigilent enough to mitigate any possible contact for the 18 months that it will take to create a vaccination process? Because I don't think I am, and I live alone so I 100% control my environment.
I'm not saying you're making this argument, but I see a lot of people in the "open up now" camp whose argument seems to be that because 100% safety cannot be achieved through social distancing and limiting trips out of the house to what is necessary, people shouldn't bother with any efforts to reduce risk. As though not going to a bar for a drink is only worth it if that one action confers 100% safety on everybody.9 -
I bought groceries this a.m. and was surprised at all the stuff I couldn't get or had to find substitutes for; it didn't seem to be like this even in the beginning. I thought retailers were catching up, maybe I just picked a bad time or something.
On the upside I'd have to say a majority of the shoppers/workers are now wearing masks. Even if masks are not 100% effective, it makes me feel a bit more protected.
I went to the grocery store yesterday for the first time in two weeks. Was surprised to see bread, milk, eggs all in stock. But in addition to continued bare shelves for toilet paper, disinfectant wipes, disinfectant spray, and flour, new categories of things were out of stock: vegetable oil and spray (although pricier brands of olive oil were still available) and canned pie fillings. I usually keep a can or two of pumpkin around for a variety of uses (smoothies, oatmeal stir-in, pasta sauce, soups and stews), and both the major national brand and the store brand were sold out, but there were a few cans of a brand I'd never heard of, which I reluctantly picked up to see if it was plain pumpkin or the pie filling with spices and other stuff already added. Fortunately it was the plain pumpkin, because I've been trying really hard not to pick thing up and put them back.
Everybody had a face covering, as it's now a state mandate, but a lot of people were oblivious of the directional arrows on the floor and were not making any attempt to maintain six feet of distance, despite frequent announcements to do so. They are the ones who worry me, because if they won't follow that rule when I can see them, I have to assume they aren't following other rules when I can't see them.9
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