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missysippy930 wrote: »Several meat processing plants have closed down in Minnesota in the past week due to covid outbreaks among employees. Farmers have hogs ready for slaughter, but no place to send them. They are predicting shortages of pork products. Euthanizing animals. Crop farmers are just beginning to plow and plant. Farmers markets locally won’t start for a couple of weeks. Every small town has a butcher shop. I told my husband today that we need to check them out.
Our chicken farmers and processors have an overstock of product because all of our restaurants are closed. That's one major link in the food chain broken.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just now seeing a story on the local news of the local NFL team's first-round draft pick (who is a local kid -- well, local young man), who said that after the draft he went to visit one of his new team mates. They had video of him walking out of a house with other young men gesturing in celebratory fashion, far less than six feet away, none of them wearing face coverings. I suppose that could have been his own home, and all those other young men live in the same household, but if that's the case, I think the news station should have made that clear. I don't think either the athlete (going to visit other households) or the news station were doing a good job of exemplifying socially responsible behavior.
And this is what I expect will happen as things open back up with advisories to continue social distancing. Most people will find excuses to think that social distancing doesn't apply to them in this situation or that situation.
Stuff like this is the reason COVID-19 will be with us for quite a bit longer than we would wish for.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: social distancing. Many people I have witnessed are trying but having a hard time with it, particularly older people. I watch my neighbors and my mother start out talking from a safe distance, then instinctively inch closer and closer until they are within normal conversational distance.
Having markers on the ground is a good idea but it’s not common around here.
I measure six feet in my mind by reminding myself I am five foot eight, if I don’t have room to fling myself flat on the ground without touching the other person, I’m too close. Not to mention six feet isn’t really a safe distance, it’s just a “safer” distance. In the right circumstances a cough or sneeze or wind can carry virus thirty feet.
Never realised so many people were in a bank or supermarket until we started having to queue six feet apart to get in. Now it's causing lines all around the buildings and the parking lots too.1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I haven't seen toilet paper in a store in six weeks. Last time I was in a grocery store they had small packages of flushable wipes, limit two per household, so I bought one. Haven't had to use it yet, though. Not sure I trust it to be flushable and not damage my plumbing.
Do NOT flush those...they will definitely damage your plumbing. I'm not sure how they get away with calling them flushable. My nephew is a plumber, and he says 90% of his calls are people who tried to flush those things. They don't break down like toilet paper does.
A gross as it may be, you'll need to keep a plastic bag handy and just throw out the used wipes with the trash.
Ugh!! This is horrible. And all because a few people have truckloads of toilet paper at home and now others can't get. So silly when there was no need for the hoarding.4 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »For the first time during the social isolation, I'm genuinely concerned and devastated. Concerned that the next 48 hours will result in breaking the rules en masse and a spike in infections, and devastated I can't join the party. I live in Finland and May 1st is May Day, or Walpurgis Day, and the night before as well as the day itself are huge outdoor celebrations. Students normally start celebrations at least a couple of weeks before and ramp it up for the big day, and things kick off on Walpurgis Eve, April 30th, at 6PM when a famous statue in downtown Helsinki is given its high school graduation hat in a ceremony that has a crowd of at least 50 000 people gathering around to watch, and put on their own hats at the same time. Wearing high school graduation hats for May Day is a major tradition and marks the beginning of the summer season. The night is a big celebration, and on May Day people gather for outdoor brunches and picnics, especially one specific park that usually gathers at least 50 000 people regardless of weather. The statue has been walled off and covered for several days now to prevent crowds (it will get its hat via some sort of virtual art performance, this year conveniently happens to be the art students' turn to perform the ceremony as the ceremony is performed each year by different student unions of area universities) and I've heard rumors of riot police closing the park. The same holiday is also celebrated in Sweden, and it was just on the news that a major university city there will fertilize park lawns with chicken poop the night before, to make them smelly and gross and prevent mass congregating. So yeah, this is serious.
This is going to be a really difficult weekend for most people I know because we can't celebrate, meet and go out on the town like we normally do for this holiday. My friends who are still students are devastated because they can't celebrate end of semester, my graduated friends are devastated because Walpurgis Day is a rare opportunity for everyone to be partying together, and even my almost 60-year-old mother is devastated and when social distancing measures were announced, she was serious about going to that park unless police physically stops her. I hope people still stay strong and stay home, so the epidemic doesn't get out of hand - it's been fairly in control here so far and there's talks about controlled reopening of some measures if the situation stays stable.
I read the chicken poop story out of Sweden this morning since I have made Sweden one of my pandemic leading indicators. The general outlook for China and Europe post full lock down is concerning. In the USA the state of Georgia has my attention since restrictions for the most part have been greatly lifted. Actually in the USA tight lock down actions are being removed by more and more people regardless of what Governors say.
Our Civil War over state's rights of 165 years ago still has not been fully resolved. At the federal level states are being warned not to impose restrictions that violate USA constitutional rights.
Our second wave may be a few weeks later than like in China and Europe and it is expected to be broader in scope this time around. I hope 3 weeks after Walpurgis Day goes better than expected.
Our meat packing houses shutting down due to the pandemic may soon make our TP shortage look like a non event. Many in the USA eat meat 1-3 times daily and it will take a year or two to get the farms back to growing beef, pork and chickens like before because they are having to put down so many animals due to lack of processing plants to buy them.
The greater implication of all this is that some of those plants are massive exporters, therefore meat shortages will impact other countries too.4 -
As someone who doesn't eat meat, eggs or dairy, I worry that if there's a meat shortage, all the hungry meat eaters will start hardcore dipping into the bean and grain supplies. I've had abundant food choices so far during the lockdown, including lots of fresh fruit and vegetables. Plenty of healthy, homecooked meals so far. No hoarding necessary. It's gonna suck if I have to start competing with the masses for food...6
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As someone who doesn't eat meat, eggs or dairy, I worry that if there's a meat shortage, all the hungry meat eaters will start hardcore dipping into the bean and grain supplies. I've had abundant food choices so far during the lockdown, including lots of fresh fruit and vegetables. Plenty of healthy, homecooked meals so far. No hoarding necessary. It's gonna suck if I have to start competing with the masses for food...
You can expect the masses will have already horded your dream list of foods IF the meat, eggs and dairy are hard to come by so you may consider hording sooner than later. Keep in mind if the farms keep destroying their animals due to the slaughter houses going off line for very long it will take 1-3 years get back to fully producing today's level of meat, eggs and dairy. 50 pound bags of beans and rice are in demand already. I can see any day now McDonald's removing their fresh ground 1/4 pound beef patties off of their menu.
Keep in mind much of our beans and grain supplies will have to be shipped so millions less starve in Africa. The USA is still the food basket for much of the world and is one way to make friends.
Farmer markets may save the day in your case.2 -
There are butcher shops/meat markets here, in smaller towns. Some process animals. Their back up is two months out for butchering. They are asking customers (people just shopping their stores), to call before coming as meat products are selling out daily, very quickly.2
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
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You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!
We don't have any shortages, and certainly not of toilet paper. But supermarkets started limiting how many total items you can purchase, as a way to get customers out faster so other waiting customers could get in. No time for slow casual browsing of the shelves.
I am not in the mood for casual browsing now anyways.
Whenever I return from grocery stores and tell dh I couldn't find this or that, he asks me if they had __________ instead and I just tell him, 'you don't understand how different grocery shopping is now compared to before, you grab and go as much as you can, there is very little browsing now'. Oy. I think he's been in the store twice since the holidays, unless you count his trips into a redemption center to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets.
And it's not due to stores limiting the amount of people inside at a time because so far, I haven't gone anyplace that does that. I don't want to go to places like WalMart of Home Depot, unless I absolutely have to.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just now seeing a story on the local news of the local NFL team's first-round draft pick (who is a local kid -- well, local young man), who said that after the draft he went to visit one of his new team mates. They had video of him walking out of a house with other young men gesturing in celebratory fashion, far less than six feet away, none of them wearing face coverings. I suppose that could have been his own home, and all those other young men live in the same household, but if that's the case, I think the news station should have made that clear. I don't think either the athlete (going to visit other households) or the news station were doing a good job of exemplifying socially responsible behavior.
And this is what I expect will happen as things open back up with advisories to continue social distancing. Most people will find excuses to think that social distancing doesn't apply to them in this situation or that situation.
Stuff like this is the reason COVID-19 will be with us for quite a bit longer than we would wish for.
Yeh, and not to mention people making stupid excuses like 'he didn't know masks were required until after'.5 -
I wish farmers would advertise selling sides of beef, etc., instead of senseless slaughtering of their livestock
I don't know of any place locally that offers that; we live in a small community and many farms have had to change their crops, etc., to keep up with demand. For instance, one local dairy farmer stopped their dairy business a few years back and now grows hemp.
Oh geesh, writing that just now reminds me they have a sign that they sell beef; I just ignored it before because I assumed prices are high and I never needed it. Egads. 7 -
I went to CVS today to pick up some prescriptions.
I think I may've reported being skeezed out by using the drivethrough a while back (people with no masks or gloves pawing all over the card acceptor, that one had to pull out of the drawer to use, and that I can't see without getting kind of close).
So, I went inside this time. That really was more limited touching of stuff, comparatively, so I guess the difference comes down to how a person feels about the indoor air vs. the card/drawer nonsense.
While there, walked a couple of aisles to see what they had, until no one was at pharmacy counter: In most categories there were at least some options, maybe not one's favorite brand/scent. Foam hand soap pump bottles were very low but not zero (lots of other types of soaps), masks were out, no disinfectant wipes. But there were baby wipes, some disinfectant sprays and liquids, some TP, some other paper products. Most other areas looked fine, but I didn't check all that closely. Hardly any other customers in the store. Pharmacy cashier wearing mask but no gloves, plastic shields between her and customers, except the pass-through for the bag'o'drugs.
I got my current masks at a gas station with a window (serendipitous discovery), although I have made some lame ones (I am not crafty and hate sewing) and now ordered some cloth ones that seem good. I still have leftover hand sanitizer from before the rush, although have not been using it a lot (I just wash my hands for the most part). My local Walgreens was awful before all this, so I may drive to another or a CVS soon (haven't used my car since Easter so that's a reason to drive it also).
Funnily enough, I had to replace my car battery because I wasn’t driving my car very much at all. It was still under warranty, thankfully, so the replacement cost was prorated.5 -
There are multiple thousands of animals being processed at each of these plants, daily, during normal times. There are laws regarding butchering of livestock. Euthanasing is the only choice when these processing plants are unable to process them. There is a liability potential for individuals slaughtering/butchering their own animals for resale, besides for sheer numbers necessary, impractical and not even close to solving the issue. Disposal of butchered carcasses could impact local environment.
Like I said in my earlier post, local meat markets, that do butcher, are two months out on processing individual animals.
Farmers/ ranchers of livestock have no choice. Their animals are ready for market. That’s why the president made it mandatory for processing plants to stay open.
Definitely a waste, and very sad, but this virus has created a lot of waste, in a lot of industries, and particularly, human lives.
Stay safe everyone ❤️10 -
I’d be in trouble with limiting of total number of items, I am spending upwards of $300 (at ALDI!!) every two weeks for my growing family of 6 (including a 13 and 11 year old going through growth spurts). Trying to limit trips so it’s a full restock when I do go... I probably look like a hoarder to the average person with my overflowing cart...T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »I would post a photo of the absurd displays of TP at my supermarket, but it feels kind of cruel to do that to you guys
You saw what @rheddmobile said about the Memphis area - that is about 2 hr. drive away. My mom in Omaha says they have plenty in the stores and are limiting it to 1 package per person. She lives with my sister and family, and tells me that my sister and her husband are buying 1 package every time they go to the store because they don't want to run out... to what end, I don't know. I assume there is a point where they will have stockpiled enough that they will stop that. In rural Iowa where I used to live, about 90 min. drive from Omaha, they have it and are limiting quantities as well. I heard the same from people I know in Des Moines. Maybe people in my specific area are just worse with hoarding than elsewhere?! I'm actually starting to get pretty upset about this now that I'm seeing other places have it.
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!
We don't have any shortages, and certainly not of toilet paper. But supermarkets started limiting how many total items you can purchase, as a way to get customers out faster so other waiting customers could get in. No time for slow casual browsing of the shelves.
I am not in the mood for casual browsing now anyways. Whenever I return from grocery stores and tell dh I couldn't find this or that, he asks me if they had __________ instead and I just tell him, 'you don't understand how different grocery shopping is now compared to before, you grab and go as much as you can, there is very little browsing now'. Oy. I think he's been in the store twice since the holidays, unless you count his trips into a redemption center to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets.
And it's not due to stores limiting the amount of people inside at a time because so far, I haven't gone anyplace that does that. I don't want to go to places like WalMart of Home Depot, unless I absolutely have to.
And yes, I am having to explain to my family about the difference in grocery shopping when they ask me “did you get X Y or Z??” Nope. I feel like cattle getting shuffled through the produce section because it’s on the entrance aisle so when there is a line to get in and several people come in at once there is no lingering to look... and I feel weird picking things up to look at them (I have a daughter with weird food allergies and sensitivities so all labels have to be checked). I hate it!8 -
I'm in rural Central VA and any of the stores I can get to all still have more empty shelves than filled. I haven't seen TP, tissues, pasta, soup, canned or dry beans, cleaning products, rice, or rubbing alcohol since the beginning of March. I don't know if it means people are still hoarding or if it is a delivery issue, but I'm starting to take it personal!
Having grown up in Mecklenburg Co, VA (Chase City, so the bottom of the barrel) I can totally see there being shortages. Produce was never good anyway, I think those rink-a-dink stores were bottom of the totem pole, last on the list, give ‘em what we have left kind of places.
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janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Re: social distancing. Many people I have witnessed are trying but having a hard time with it, particularly older people. I watch my neighbors and my mother start out talking from a safe distance, then instinctively inch closer and closer until they are within normal conversational distance.
Having markers on the ground is a good idea but it’s not common around here.
I measure six feet in my mind by reminding myself I am five foot eight, if I don’t have room to fling myself flat on the ground without touching the other person, I’m too close. Not to mention six feet isn’t really a safe distance, it’s just a “safer” distance. In the right circumstances a cough or sneeze or wind can carry virus thirty feet.
Never realised so many people were in a bank or supermarket until we started having to queue six feet apart to get in. Now it's causing lines all around the buildings and the parking lots too.
Yeah, the places doing the best job with enforcing social distancing have lines most of the time, although they move pretty fast. I have to go to the bank this week, I think. Sigh.0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »I went to CVS today to pick up some prescriptions.
I think I may've reported being skeezed out by using the drivethrough a while back (people with no masks or gloves pawing all over the card acceptor, that one had to pull out of the drawer to use, and that I can't see without getting kind of close).
So, I went inside this time. That really was more limited touching of stuff, comparatively, so I guess the difference comes down to how a person feels about the indoor air vs. the card/drawer nonsense.
While there, walked a couple of aisles to see what they had, until no one was at pharmacy counter: In most categories there were at least some options, maybe not one's favorite brand/scent. Foam hand soap pump bottles were very low but not zero (lots of other types of soaps), masks were out, no disinfectant wipes. But there were baby wipes, some disinfectant sprays and liquids, some TP, some other paper products. Most other areas looked fine, but I didn't check all that closely. Hardly any other customers in the store. Pharmacy cashier wearing mask but no gloves, plastic shields between her and customers, except the pass-through for the bag'o'drugs.
I got my current masks at a gas station with a window (serendipitous discovery), although I have made some lame ones (I am not crafty and hate sewing) and now ordered some cloth ones that seem good. I still have leftover hand sanitizer from before the rush, although have not been using it a lot (I just wash my hands for the most part). My local Walgreens was awful before all this, so I may drive to another or a CVS soon (haven't used my car since Easter so that's a reason to drive it also).
Funnily enough, I had to replace my car battery because I wasn’t driving my car very much at all. It was still under warranty, thankfully, so the replacement cost was prorated.
I had to do that in February, and the car place lectured me on not driving my car more than once a week (apparently older (mine is 2008) Priuses have an issue with that in particular). So great that now I'm driving about once a month. I'm going to find an excuse to drive this weekend for that reason.3 -
Is it just me or does anyone else find themselves spending more a lot money now? And it's not really buying as in stocking up or hoarding; maybe it's buying the different items I wouldn't normally buy, at normal versus on sale prices. IDK. Example: bought a dozen eggs yesterday but had to pay 3.59 instead of 1.69. Bread is $4-5 instead of buying at the "bread store outlet" for 1.39 each. I usually wait for meat sales, buying chicken breasts for 2.49 # but now it's 4.49 #. Course, the extra ice cream/cookie purchases aren't helping anything. 11
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missysippy930 wrote: »There are multiple thousands of animals being processed at each of these plants, daily, during normal times. There are laws regarding butchering of livestock. Euthanasing is the only choice when these processing plants are unable to process them. There is a liability potential for individuals slaughtering/butchering their own animals for resale, besides for sheer numbers necessary, impractical and not even close to solving the issue. Disposal of butchered carcasses could impact local environment.
Like I said in my earlier post, local meat markets, that do butcher, are two months out on processing individual animals.
Farmers/ ranchers of livestock have no choice. Their animals are ready for market. That’s why the president made it mandatory for processing plants to stay open.
Definitely a waste, and very sad, but this virus has created a lot of waste, in a lot of industries, and particularly, human lives.
Stay safe everyone ❤️
Thanks for taking the time to explain the problems in meat supply chain.2 -
Is it just me or does anyone else find themselves spending more a lot money now? And it's not really buying as in stocking up or hoarding; maybe it's buying the different items I wouldn't normally buy, at normal versus on sale prices. IDK. Example: bought a dozen eggs yesterday but had to pay 3.59 instead of 1.69. Bread is $4-5 instead of buying at the "bread store outlet" for 1.39 each. I usually wait for meat sales, buying chicken breasts for 2.49 # but now it's 4.49 #. Course, the extra ice cream/cookie purchases aren't helping anything.
No, but I wasn't a bargain shopper before and never managed to buy stuff on sale. If anything buying on line makes sale shopping easier and not eating at restaurants saves money. Buying from a farm as I am is more expensive, but I did that already by buying at the green market and having a CSA. My eggs are the same because I bought farmers market eggs before, and I bought meat and veg (when in season) from a farm or my local meat market. I've never really bargain shopped with food.3 -
Is it just me or does anyone else find themselves spending more a lot money now? And it's not really buying as in stocking up or hoarding; maybe it's buying the different items I wouldn't normally buy, at normal versus on sale prices. IDK. Example: bought a dozen eggs yesterday but had to pay 3.59 instead of 1.69. Bread is $4-5 instead of buying at the "bread store outlet" for 1.39 each. I usually wait for meat sales, buying chicken breasts for 2.49 # but now it's 4.49 #. Course, the extra ice cream/cookie purchases aren't helping anything.
I’m spending more too, buying canned foods to have on hand, that I normally wouldn’t buy. Also, I’ve noticed prices going up, weekly on things I normally buy. Dairy products have been plentiful all along here, but that’s the only thing that the price hasn’t gone up on.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”
What I don't understand about this is if they know the neighborhoods at risk, why don't they just block the streets in the area off at night with checkpoints? They do this in Rome during the day to make sure nobody is just driving around without a reason. Once there are police all over, these guys don't go out.2 -
https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/second-wave-coronavirus.html#_ga=2.266851213.263862393.1588346367-920679251.1588346367
States that reopen today
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-coronavirus-trnd/
Some health gurus are telling people to just take hot baths and/or long cold showers to Jack UP the immune system. Mmm hmm.
https://ohsonline.com/articles/2020/03/19/covid19-myths-debunked-by-the-world-health-organization.aspx (3 pages)3 -
"Remember that scientists spend years researching viruses and diseases. We are dealing with a virus that has only been known for a few months right now. While a number of researchers are sharing their findings openly, science at this preliminary stage can often be confusing, contradictory and messy: we may think we know something about this virus one day, only to see that finding contradicted by other evidence the following day.
This is where we’re at right now. Few things are known for sure, except that basic methods of social distancing and cleanliness are currently our best weapons to slow the acceleration of this historic pandemic."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/03/23/a-hot-bath-wont-protect-against-coronavirus-and-other-myths-busted-by-the-who/#20847dfd7194
Wash our hands and just enjoy our showers. Extremes beget more extremes.
"Just stick to soap and water. It really does fight the virus as well as anything else."7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »
With the lock down being effectively over in the USA where law enforcement are not authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns . . .
Dude, what on earth?
I noted I was only speaking about USA laws. The news article explains how states are removing more and more restraints on people. This will help prevent social unrest even if medically if it is a step backwards. No one knows what to do in these times.
Even with the restrictions, nobody was authorized to mow down unarmed citizens with machine guns. This is the kind of rhetoric that is incredibly unhelpful. I don't even know how you got there. It's like some kind of fever dream fantasy.
Have you been reading about the mental health issues related to COVID-19? I just see an undercurrent that is dangerous for the safety of law officers. Some are losing everything and we know alcohol sales are up and gun sales are up. Did you read Cwolfmann's link over the number of COVID-19 deaths?
Law officers are starting to stand down over governors orders because they understand the time/risk factor on unproven restrictions is increasing. I think everyone posting here wants to do what is best and understand they are going to get COVID-19 sooner or later but want it to be much later.
We know with the schools closed it is causing some kids harm because they may not have a safe environment and food like when the schools were open. The schools will not be opening in 4 months from now if we do not get more COVID-19 cases behind us. Sweden may be proven wrong yet time will tell.
https://aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/sweden-avoids-full-lockdown-pm-insists-restrictions-continue-200420173945004.html
According to some metrics, like alcohol sales, it is totally possible that people are drinking more. I still don't understand how you get to law enforcement being authorized to "mow down unarmed citizens."
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Gale to be sad police were not authorized to use machine guns to mow down unarmed citizens. I hope he corrects me if I am wrong.
Alcohol sales are up across the board in the US. Gun sales are up in Kentucky, which might be affecting Gale's POV. Crime is up here, so I somewhat get it, although shooting a cop (or anyone) is still not in my imagination, so I don't get that.
Alcohol sales are prohibited here as part of the curfew regulations - so there's less drinking. The curfew is keeping large numbers of people indoors - so crime is down.
Apparently here the stay at home rules keeping more people at home (especially at night) means the gangs are more able to see each other and shoot at each other in some neighborhoods. Kittens.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/17/drug-fueled-gang-feud-sparking-violence-on-streets-emptied-by-coronavirus/
"Despite the pandemic, gangs in Irving Park and Albany Park are still feuding and even taking advantage of the empty streets to find their rivals more easily, the area’s police commander said Thursday afternoon.
The recent uptick in shootings in the area is tied to drug sales and the gang feud, Albany Park (17th) District Police Cmdr. Ronald A. Pontecore Jr. said during an online community police meeting.
The ongoing conflict also includes the February shootings that left a firefighter wounded in Albany Park and a woman shot dead in Irving Park.
“I’m not going to sugarcoat it. We have a violence issue and it’s revolving around narcotics sales,” Pontecore said on the video conference call.
For the most part, neighborhood residents are adhering to the stay at home order and the new social distancing rules in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, he said.
“But some of the people who aren’t are gang members,” the police commander said. “Right now we’re getting a lot of shots fired calls because with the streets clear it’s easier for gang members to spot each other when they’re out.”
What I don't understand about this is if they know the neighborhoods at risk, why don't they just block the streets in the area off at night with checkpoints? They do this in Rome during the day to make sure nobody is just driving around without a reason. Once there are police all over, these guys don't go out.
They are trying. IMO they don't have enough cops. I'm lucky as I've noticed cops circling in my area now that I'm home all day (and we are one of the safer areas, with a very low crime rate).
In case it wasn't clear from my prior post, I hate these gang dudes so much.10 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »"Remember that scientists spend years researching viruses and diseases. We are dealing with a virus that has only been known for a few months right now. While a number of researchers are sharing their findings openly, science at this preliminary stage can often be confusing, contradictory and messy: we may think we know something about this virus one day, only to see that finding contradicted by other evidence the following day.
This is where we’re at right now. Few things are known for sure, except that basic methods of social distancing and cleanliness are currently our best weapons to slow the acceleration of this historic pandemic."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/03/23/a-hot-bath-wont-protect-against-coronavirus-and-other-myths-busted-by-the-who/#20847dfd7194
Wash our hands and just enjoy our showers. Extremes beget more extremes.
"Just stick to soap and water. It really does fight the virus as well as anything else."
From the science coverage I'm seeing (though I don't have a specific cite), it also seems to be the case that we're collectively overlapping (parallelizing) things that in less urgent circumstances would be serialized, and that adds to some popular perception that the experts don't know what they're doing.
Specifically, an example is that some scientists are investigating whether infection produces immunity, and if so, to what extent (power) and for what length of time (duration). Simultaneously, other scientists are working on developing and testing vaccines (aided by amazingly brave and generous volunteers, as human trials start****).
One resulting popular perception is "Why are they going to make me get a vaccine when we don't even know whether immunity is possible?" 🙄
If this were some much less fatal/damaging, much less contagious disease, those two lines of scientific endeavor would be more likely to be:
1. Invisible to the general public, and
2. Done in more serial fashion, i.e., figure out immunity characteristics before trying to develop a vaccine.
Overlap those, and have all media everywhere** cover the whole thing, and the end result is a bunch of suspicious people thinking "Oh My Goosies, it's a gol-dang conspiracy by Big Pharma and the Deep State, Marge!". (<= mild exaggeration.
).
** Extra eye roll: Some of those reporters have pre-kindergarten science literacy themselves, and are willing to interview any fringe idiot with letters after their name who's willing to provide a click-bait quote. SMH. Thank heaven those things aren't true of all of them.
**** Common thing not commonly known: The stages of drug trials. When non-human preliminaries are out of the way, small-scale testing on humans starts before there's sound evidence the drug even works. There are tests for things like bioavailability, and then for safety . . . in most cases, on healthy volunteers. Those brave people are who I'm talking about. They have no real expectation of benefit; they have only theoretical expectation of safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research8 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »"Remember that scientists spend years researching viruses and diseases. We are dealing with a virus that has only been known for a few months right now. While a number of researchers are sharing their findings openly, science at this preliminary stage can often be confusing, contradictory and messy: we may think we know something about this virus one day, only to see that finding contradicted by other evidence the following day.
This is where we’re at right now. Few things are known for sure, except that basic methods of social distancing and cleanliness are currently our best weapons to slow the acceleration of this historic pandemic."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2020/03/23/a-hot-bath-wont-protect-against-coronavirus-and-other-myths-busted-by-the-who/#20847dfd7194
Wash our hands and just enjoy our showers. Extremes beget more extremes.
"Just stick to soap and water. It really does fight the virus as well as anything else."
From the science coverage I'm seeing (though I don't have a specific cite), it also seems to be the case that we're collectively overlapping (parallelizing) things that in less urgent circumstances would be serialized, and that adds to some popular perception that the experts don't know what they're doing.
Specifically, an example is that some scientists are investigating whether infection produces immunity, and if so, to what extent (power) and for what length of time (duration). Simultaneously, other scientists are working on developing and testing vaccines (aided by amazingly brave and generous volunteers, as human trials start****).
One resulting popular perception is "Why are they going to make me get a vaccine when we don't even know whether immunity is possible?" 🙄
If this were some much less fatal/damaging, much less contagious disease, those two lines of scientific endeavor would be more likely to be:
1. Invisible to the general public, and
2. Done in more serial fashion, i.e., figure out immunity characteristics before trying to develop a vaccine.
Overlap those, and have all media everywhere** cover the whole thing, and the end result is a bunch of suspicious people thinking "Oh My Goosies, it's a gol-dang conspiracy by Big Pharma and the Deep State, Marge!". (<= mild exaggeration. ).
** Extra eye roll: Some of those reporters have pre-kindergarten science literacy themselves, and are willing to interview any fringe idiot with letters after their name who's willing to provide a click-bait quote. SMH. Thank heaven those things aren't true of all of them.
**** Common thing not commonly known: The stages of drug trials. When non-human preliminaries are out of the way, small-scale testing on humans starts before there's sound evidence the drug even works. There are tests for things like bioavailability, and then for safety . . . in most cases, on healthy volunteers. Those brave people are who I'm talking about. They have no real expectation of benefit; they have only theoretical expectation of safety. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research
Just wanted to add that Italy got a jump on the vaccine because we had cases right after China. In the beginning of the epidemic we had Chinese tourists that came down with the virus in a hotel. They were quickly whisked off to a hospital that specialized in infectious diseases. The virus was isolated in their lab. I told my husband at the time "They're going to be so happy, they can start on a vaccine". There is a worldwide race and whoever wins will win the lottery. Everyone who has not had it worldwide will need to be vaccinated. The Italians are working with Oxford on the vaccine and it is ready for trial. One of the Italian researchers interviewed said she has volunteered to try it. There will be more than one trial. This is not my field, but will try to report on what we hear on this end from the media.4
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