Coronavirus prep

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  • ExistingFish
    ExistingFish Posts: 1,231 Member
    Genuine questions.

    How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??

    Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.

    Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??

    yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.

    Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
    Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.

    This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
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    State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
    In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.

    I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.



    1. I'm in Arkansas. The Gov set restaurant directive. Wear masks until your food arrives. The staff wears masks, and patrons wear masks while giving orders and speaking to the staff, but are allowed to remove it after they've placed their order before eating. Tables are set far enough apart this should not be an issue.

    2. In my opinion, yes. I'm in a state that has always had low case numbers. We are not densely populated, less travel from a lot of the people in our state, so our numbers haven't been bad. We're taking a measured approach to reopening, I think we are being careful. More careful than our neighbors TX (IMO) but that is their choice to make.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,379 Member
    PA shut down completely. As of next Friday, parts of the state will slightly reopen, meaning construction and some factories can go about their business, but not shops and restaurants. The selection of counties was based on a low number of cases and the number of public health workers they have to do contact tracing and the hospitals available. So the county next to ours with zero deaths and only 7 cases can't open because it doesn't have a hospital. There are a few areas like that. Mostly it's the really rural areas in the north and west that are opening slightly. Our county has been seeing a 10% increase per day in the number of cases, so it will be a while before it opens up again. We are a mostly rural county, so I'm not sure why it's a hot spot. When the Governor said that masks were mandatory in all businesses, there were a few grumbles on Facebook, but I've mostly seen compliance. OTOH, a lot of the people wearing the masks are wearing them wrong, so the noses are exposed. I don't know if that's ignorance or a subtle rebellion.
  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 5,140 Member
    And boy, their phone was ringing off the hook, too!!!!!!
  • Diatonic12
    Diatonic12 Posts: 32,344 Member
    @Bry_Fitness70 Understood and appreciated. It's repulsive. The true essence of a grape is revealed when it's squeezed. Some are downright sour.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 40,875 Member
    Genuine questions.

    How do people eat/drink in a restaruant if they have to wear masks??

    Mask wearing hasnt been a big thing in Australia - people can choose to wear them if they want of course and a few do - but most people are not and we are not being encouraged, let alone mandated, to do so.

    Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??

    yes i know US is a big place and different locations might be doing things differently - but answer for your specific location or area as a whole.

    Restrictions are being gradually eased here in South Australia - and that is in response to massive drop in COVID numbers
    Our restrictions weren't as tight in first place as many other places - but in comparison to what still seems high numbers in US, we are only now re opening outdoor playgrounds, - gyms/restaraunts are still closed (open for takeaway only) and gatherings are still restricted to 10 people.

    This with a state of 5 remaining active cases in whole state (all in home or hospital quarantine, of course) and zero new cases for nearly 2 weeks.
    .
    State borders are still closed except for essential travellers/returnees who have to self isolate for 14 days.
    In superrvised hotel accomodation, in case of overseas returnees.

    I think it is very safe for us to move forward, although we are still doing it very gradually.



    In New Mexico, restaurants are drive through and take out only still. They aren't open to sit down and eat. When they do open, my guess would be that staff will be wearing masks, but it's pretty much impossible to sit down and eat with a mask without taking it on and off and touching your face a gazillion times which would completely defeat the purpose.

    Mask wearing is or isn't a thing in New Mexico, depending on where you are in the state. It is more commonly practiced in metro areas than outlying rural areas. Masks are recommended by our governor as well as the CDC, however, it is not mandated by the government. There are very few places in the US that is mandating masks. We do have some stores here that require you to have a mask to enter, but that's their own policy, not something mandated by government...kinda like no shoes, no shirt, no service....so now it's no shoes, no shirt, no mask, no service.

    There are a handful of states that have basically opened everything up and none of them are even in line with the white house recommendations of 14 days with declining numbers and phased re-opening...it'll be interesting to see where their numbers go. New Mexico is basically following the federal guidelines to re-open...14 days overall declining cases and more importantly hospitalizations and deaths. We have seen that for the most part across the state except for McKinley County which has now been locked down and isolated from the rest of the state with all roads in and out barricaded by the National Guard. We eased a few restrictions on May 1, but most are still in place...we anticipate a phase 1 re-open on May 16 which means significant restrictions will still be in place, but we will slowly start loosening the belt.

    I'm curious as to what winter will bring in the southern hemisphere...we are certainly expecting another surge come our cold and flu season, but our health care system should be more prepared and capable by then...hopefully. There is talk of school this coming fall to be done with classes cut in half with one half attending two days and the other half attending another two days with distance and online learning in between actual going to school days. If this is the case, it will be extremely hard on working parents, particularly if employers are adverse to remote working.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,870 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
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    No parties around me. Lots of people out with nicer weather, but lots of masks, decent social distancing, although I think it's not as good in the popular parks. Other neighborhoods are apparently not doing so much, as there have been numerous big house parties broken up. New policy is to fine those having house parties $5000 and tow the cars of party-goers.

    On a personal level I've heard of people doing things like teaming up with another family who have been social distancing responsibly so families can share the burden. I think that seems reasonable and pretty much safe.

    No big house parties for us, but we socially isolated for 8 weeks. May 1 was our second extended date and now we're extended through May 15, but some restrictions have been lifted such as state parks open for day use, non essential retail doing curbside, golf courses open, etc.

    My wife and I talked about it and determined that 8 weeks of total social isolation was about all we could handle and with the lifting of some restrictions on May 1 decided that we would, in a responsible way, start seeing some of our friends and family again. No big house parties or anything, I think that would be irresponsible. We had my mom over last Saturday and it was her first time seeing her grandchildren in 8 weeks. We sat on the patio outside and swam in the pool.

    We're having another couple over with their kids that we hang out with quite a bit...we miss them, and also our boys need some social interaction with other kids...they're starting to get weird. It'll be the same...mostly outside on the patio and the pool and grill some burgers or something. No finger food appetizers and the like. We usually hang out together with another friend of mine and his kids, but we've decided that's too many people as it would be 6 kids total and 5 adults. We've actually started limiting our gatherings even before this because 6 kids go absolutely crazy.

    We're at the point here where precautions should still be taken, but I think some low level social interaction is not unreasonable. Most of our new cases are coming from McKinley County and they have almost half of our total cases. Cases in the metro area have dropped off significantly, with most now coming from assisted living homes and nursing homes. While there is still risk, my feelings are that having a couple over with their kids or my mom over is pretty low risk at this point, particularly as we aren't congregating in the house close together. Total social isolation can only be sustained for so long, and we're definitely at that point.

    Yeah, I think this makes total sense.
  • gradchica27
    gradchica27 Posts: 777 Member
    The social isolation is definitely getting to us here. I’m trying a socially distanced girl date on Saturday—we drive separately and meet at a local park early in the am to kayak. I’ll bring the kayaks, so the only time we need to be within a few feet of each other will be for the 1 min carry to the shore and back (early hour = hopeful for a super close spot, though even a crap spot is a 2 min walk, and we’ll be on opposite sides and ends of an 11’ kayak). If this goes well, I might see if she wants to try it with one of our boys at a time (we have two youth kayaks too, which I can carry by myself)
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 24,806 Member
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    Question 2 - are the easing of restrictions in US being done as a result of numbers dropping enough to be considered safe to do so? - or are they just being eased because authorities think they have been there for long enough./ people wont adhere anyway/ , the economy needs them to reduce??
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    Even here (Michigan, US), with a supposedly over-reacting governor, I think it's a mix. Some numbers are moving in hopeful directions, and things are starting to be gradually relaxed for economic reasons, starting with lower-risk economic activity, with lots of consultation with industry reps about safe practices to allow more of that to happen.

    This is a balancing act, I think: We need to minimize deaths (or serious health damage) from COVID, and keep hospitals from being overwhelmed such that X level of infection creates more deaths/damage than it would if hospitals could keep up. We also need to avoid serious economic damage, because that translates into not just human misery, but even deaths and serious damage, too (suicides, aggravation of addictions, interpersonal violence, potentially developmental consequences for children that could bear bad fruit for decades to come, etc.).
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,870 Member
    Wearing a mask is the law in IL.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 7,607 Member
    Thank you to everyone who answered my questions about mask wearing in restaraunts and in general and about rationale for re opening in various areas of US.

    It seems to me that you (US as a whole) are opening up far more quickly in comparison to case load than we are here.
    South Australia are relaxing restrictions much more gradually
    although admittedly they werent as tight in the first place as many other places, including other states of Australia - not due to any political difference between premiers (the equivalent of your state governors, I think) but due to our case load being much less.

    Somebody mentioned your federal directive for relaxing restrictions being 14 days of reducing cases - yet restrictions being relaxed despite no states reaching that yet.
    Time will tell if that proves safe or not (sadly I suspect not)

    In comparison we have had reducing cases for quite a few weeks and that from much lower case levels in first place (state total of active cases now only 5) and no new cases for 13 days - yet restrictions relaxed slightly only yesterday.
    I get somebody's point about testing levels - but our low case numbers are certainly not a result of low testing - the opposite- testing has been at increased numbers and anyone with so much as a tiny sniffle can be tested