Coronavirus prep
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Just for fun.
Went to Lowe’s to buy plants. About 1/2 of us had on masks. A whole bunch of us who did were all gathered around the
Marked down plants, all close together. All the people who didn’t have masks on were spread around the rest of the very large area, maybe 20 feet apart. Things that make you say hmmm.5 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.8 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.
I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue.
) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.) 7 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.
I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue. ) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.)
I haven't taken my phone with me when I go out once since March 11. Take that, spi-phone.7 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.
I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue. ) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.)
I'm not a fan of the way the phone gears my ads towards me whenever I've been searching for something - it's becoming something I'm not comfortable with honestly. The kindle app is totally fine for it to spy on my goodreads/what I've searched for on their app but everything else is bothersome. I guess the reduction in privacy is the price we pay for all these modern conveniences but not sure I like it these days...I'm turning into an old grouchy woman as I get older!2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
There are privacy-protecting methods for creating such apps that don't turn massive individual-identity tracking information over to the government (or other centralized entities). How the apps work is therefore a key issue.
I hope you - and others who're concerned about this - know that the default settings on many US cell phones are revealing your location to some large corporation someplace, if you haven't overridden the default settings. (It's not necessarily a privacy-invasion plot, their statement about it is that they do it in order to provide you better assistance in certain contexts. It does better allow them to go after certain types of marketing revenue. ) (May be true outside the US, but I don't know that.)
I'm not a fan of the way the phone gears my ads towards me whenever I've been searching for something - it's becoming something I'm not comfortable with honestly. The kindle app is totally fine for it to spy on my goodreads/what I've searched for on their app but everything else is bothersome. I guess the reduction in privacy is the price we pay for all these modern conveniences but not sure I like it these days...I'm turning into an old grouchy woman as I get older!
It's scary really, these devices seem to know what we want before we want it.
I don't have a smart phone and not sure if I'll ever get one but it's freaky with just the laptop. 2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
The way the proposed apps work is that phones talk to each other nearby phones by broadcasting random strings of numbers. Then if someone gets the virus, they send an alert to all phones which have “talked” to that phone. No human has to know who encountered who.11 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
The way the proposed apps work is that phones talk to each other nearby phones by broadcasting random strings of numbers. Then if someone gets the virus, they send an alert to all phones which have “talked” to that phone. No human has to know who encountered who.
Yes, Australia has this app.. 🙂 over a million downloads.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/apps-and-tools/covidsafe-app#about-the-app4 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
The apps being developed by major providers for the U.S. don't contemplate turning the information over to the government (which has made public health officials far less enthusiastic about them). Basically, you would download the app if you wanted and opt in to having your location tracked and stored. Then, if you or anyone else using the app tests positive for COVID, you or they would be expected to notify the app of that, and the app would in turn let all the app users who had been in the same location as you in the past XX days know that they have potentially been exposed. They wouldn't be told who the person was who may have exposed them, and the government wouldn't be told anything.
Between the potential for jerks downloading it and falsely reporting they've tested positive (for the same reason some of the unmasked mock the masked), and the likelihood that lots of people would fail to report if they tested positive (because they were too sick by that time to be thinking about it, because they had renewed privacy concerns, because they forgot about it, because they were busy trying to figure out how to deal with real self-quaranting and not expose the people they live with, etc.), I'm not seeing these apps as being all that helpful.5 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Just for fun.
Went to Lowe’s to buy plants. About 1/2 of us had on masks. A whole bunch of us who did were all gathered around the
Marked down plants, all close together. All the people who didn’t have masks on were spread around the rest of the very large area, maybe 20 feet apart. Things that make you say hmmm.
I'm not quite sure what point you were intending to make with this - but it makes the point to me that people can view masks as a false sense of security - in fact, being socially distanced apart is of more value than wearing masks.
Of course I realise it isnt either/or and I realise you sometimes cant avoid being close to people (eg when having neccesary medical treatment)
But you shouldn't need to be close together around marked down plants, mask or no masks.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
I've heard that there will be apps to do contact tracing in the near future (and another link in a different post talked about someone who is putting one together). But I'm not sure I'm on board with this idea - yes it would be good to know who someone is positive has had contact with so we can alert people that they have been exposed, but it seems like a slippery slope to allow ourselves to be essentially spied upon. If we open this door it would be mighty hard to close it and I don't like the idea that we are opening ourselves to this much government tracking even if for a good cause/reason.
It'll be interesting to see how everything goes with this idea.
The apps being developed by major providers for the U.S. don't contemplate turning the information over to the government (which has made public health officials far less enthusiastic about them). Basically, you would download the app if you wanted and opt in to having your location tracked and stored. Then, if you or anyone else using the app tests positive for COVID, you or they would be expected to notify the app of that, and the app would in turn let all the app users who had been in the same location as you in the past XX days know that they have potentially been exposed. They wouldn't be told who the person was who may have exposed them, and the government wouldn't be told anything.
Between the potential for jerks downloading it and falsely reporting they've tested positive (for the same reason some of the unmasked mock the masked), and the likelihood that lots of people would fail to report if they tested positive (because they were too sick by that time to be thinking about it, because they had renewed privacy concerns, because they forgot about it, because they were busy trying to figure out how to deal with real self-quaranting and not expose the people they live with, etc.), I'm not seeing these apps as being all that helpful.
Thats not how the Australian one works - the phone owner does not report that they are positive nor contact other phone owners.
Health officials use the positive person's phone to see who else (or more correctly which other phones with the app) their phone has been in the vicinity of for 15 minutes or more.
I have not downloaded it - and most times I am in vicinity of unknown people for more than 15 mins I dont have my phone on me anyway
I go to work, shopping, sports, dog park,dog obedience classes, walking group, and don't have my phone on me all the time.
So, in fact I could well be in contact with people but my phone won't show that anyway
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Update from Tucson. Mi Nidito, a Tucson gem (local Mexican place that Bill Clinton made more famous by pigging out there) opened on Monday and closed again. One of the workers tested positive for Covid-19. Not a huge shock as masks are optional here and we're still on the upswing.
As someone that worked in restaurants all through college and for 10 years afterward, I really feel for mom and pops right now. One restaurant we frequently dined at has closed its doors for good. Sad.
I hate to think that most of the mom and pop shops will be gone when this is all said and done and all we'll have left is the bigger corporate restaurant chains. That would be tragic.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Update from Tucson. Mi Nidito, a Tucson gem (local Mexican place that Bill Clinton made more famous by pigging out there) opened on Monday and closed again. One of the workers tested positive for Covid-19. Not a huge shock as masks are optional here and we're still on the upswing.
As someone that worked in restaurants all through college and for 10 years afterward, I really feel for mom and pops right now. One restaurant we frequently dined at has closed its doors for good. Sad.
I hate to think that most of the mom and pop shops will be gone when this is all said and done and all we'll have left is the bigger corporate restaurant chains. That would be tragic.
It's interesting: While of course I haven't seen their balance sheets, it appears to me that some of our locally-owned places are doing fairly well (including one that opened up a physical location, moving there from a food truck set-up, almost exactly when dine-in was closed!). Others are not doing well at all.
The differences I'm seeing in the local places seem to have something to do with popularity going into this, who their clientele is**, and how creative their changes in business model have been. A few pivoted quickly to some mix of carry-out, prepped meal packages for people to finish at home, and produce/treat boxes, and have used social media in pretty clever ways for marketing (using novelty of offering to increase likes and shares, for example).
I feel like the chains may survive more on deep pockets at corporate central in some cases, but the locals that seem most likely to survive are using their dynamism/flexibility/creativity, and smart marketing, to their advantage.
** This is very subjective, but some local places I consider to have OK-ish but not great food, that are very popular, and particularly popular in demographics that are more likely to be protesting shut-downs . . . they appear to be doing a pretty good carry-out business, judging from the maskless, not-6-feet-apart crowds in line outside. That they allow customers to do this doesn't really encourage me to think well of their general understanding of sanitation and public health, though maybe that's just me.9 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Update from Tucson. Mi Nidito, a Tucson gem (local Mexican place that Bill Clinton made more famous by pigging out there) opened on Monday and closed again. One of the workers tested positive for Covid-19. Not a huge shock as masks are optional here and we're still on the upswing.
As someone that worked in restaurants all through college and for 10 years afterward, I really feel for mom and pops right now. One restaurant we frequently dined at has closed its doors for good. Sad.
I hate to think that most of the mom and pop shops will be gone when this is all said and done and all we'll have left is the bigger corporate restaurant chains. That would be tragic.
It's interesting: While of course I haven't seen their balance sheets, it appears to me that some of our locally-owned places are doing fairly well (including one that opened up a physical location, moving there from a food truck set-up, almost exactly when dine-in was closed!). Others are not doing well at all.
The differences I'm seeing in the local places seem to have something to do with popularity going into this, who their clientele is**, and how creative their changes in business model have been. A few pivoted quickly to some mix of carry-out, prepped meal packages for people to finish at home, and produce/treat boxes, and have used social media in pretty clever ways for marketing (using novelty of offering to increase likes and shares, for example).
I feel like the chains may survive more on deep pockets at corporate central in some cases, but the locals that seem most likely to survive are using their dynamism/flexibility/creativity, and smart marketing, to their advantage.
** This is very subjective, but some local places I consider to have OK-ish but not great food, that are very popular, and particularly popular in demographics that are more likely to be protesting shut-downs . . . they appear to be doing a pretty good carry-out business, judging from the maskless, not-6-feet-apart crowds in line outside. That they allow customers to do this doesn't really encourage me to think well of their general understanding of sanitation and public health, though maybe that's just me.
I don't want to get on the restaurant GM hat for second and imagine what they are going through. Many have been told to operate at 50% capacity, which is tenable for a short time only. You can't turn a profit off of 50% capacity. Most of your restaurant profits are going to be on two to three strong hours a few days a week. Now, they're being asked to turn away half of their crowd at that time.
The ones that have outdoor dining options/patios will have distinct advantages in being able to stay open and turn a profit.
Another concern I have is that much of your profit comes from your ability to keep your overhead costs very low. Right now, as they've recently taken on government loans to keep their employees paid, they are going to have to turn around and pay tax on that loan. Also, food costs are soaring. I don't eat meat often but I had my wife pick up a pack of ground beef last night and it was $5.99 a lb. I nearly soiled my britches! At a time they can least afford to do it, many now are having to add surtax onto bills or raise their prices to the public to even lose less money.
I'm not as optimistic as you are. It's hard enough training people on food sanitation (and I was very good at that). This takes sanitation to a whole new, ridiculous level. And most of your employees also don't have health insurance. Even if you have an option to buy in, most can't afford it.
I believe 25% to 50% of the mom and pops will go under before this is all said and done.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/
Why?? What are police doing with the information? It isn't illegal to be I'll.2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/open-america/contact-tracing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/php/principles-contact-tracing-booklet.pdf
https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/sante/newsletter-specific-archive-issue.cfm?archtype=specific&newsletter_service_id=327&newsletter_issue_id=22243&page=1&fullDate=Wed 13 May 2020&lang=default
The guidelines will be complemented by interoperability specifications for cross-border transmission chains between approved apps. This will be supported by structured discussions between Member States through the eHealth Network. The work of Member States to develop and validate the apps will be supported by the New Generation Internet and m-health communities.
What did you just say!!! Amazing how complicated life can get.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/
Why?? What are police doing with the information? It isn't illegal to be I'll.
The justification in giving the information to first responders is that if someone calls for police or fire department to come to their house, the responders would know ahead of time if they are dealing with a COVID case. But, really, due to lack of testing and asymptomatic people, I think that they should just assume, like the rest of us, that everyone is positive and protect themselves accordingly.16 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/
Why?? What are police doing with the information? It isn't illegal to be I'll.
The justification in giving the information to first responders is that if someone calls for police or fire department to come to their house, the responders would know ahead of time if they are dealing with a COVID case. But, really, due to lack of testing and asymptomatic people, I think that they should just assume, like the rest of us, that everyone is positive and protect themselves accordingly.
Assuming they have the PPE necessary to do it. I would hope by now they do but you never know.5 -
I went to a local chain grocery store early this morning. They had so many masks, so much hand sanitizer, and lots of gloves.
I hope some of it is on consignment (it looks like it might be). What will they do with all those masks when this is over or slows down? Someone will lose their investment, for sure.2 -
Here in Australia police must be getting information on who is positive as well as who has come into South Australia from interstate - because it has been publicised that police will do periodic checks on your nominated place of quarantine to check you are adhering to it.
People coming from overseas do not get to nominate a place for self isolation - they are put up in motels and are in supervised isolation.12 -
paperpudding wrote: »Here in Australia police must be getting information on who is positive as well as who has come into South Australia from interstate - because it has been publicised that police will do periodic checks on your nominated place of quarantine to check you are adhering to it.
People coming from overseas do not get to nominate a place for self isolation - they are put up in motels and are in supervised isolation.
Yep, same same in the NZ Safe Zone. And no one is whining about it.14 -
Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
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paperpudding wrote: »Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
What a selfish woman. Hope she got a big fine for that.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
Yep, go #TeamSouthPacific!!
We had some numpty who was positive go to the supermarket several weeks ago. Not sure how it was known that a) he was positive, or b) that he went to the supermarket (possibly self-reported during a wellness check in).
We also had a woman return from overseas and refuse a medical assessment. She got to go to jail for 10 days instead of into isolation at a hotel (and she did test positive). Have not heard whether she was apologetic or repentant, but I'm guessing not.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
Yep, go #TeamSouthPacific!!
We had some numpty who was positive go to the supermarket several weeks ago. Not sure how it was known that a) he was positive, or b) that he went to the supermarket (possibly self-reported during a wellness check in).
We also had a woman return from overseas and refuse a medical assessment. She got to go to jail for 10 days instead of into isolation at a hotel (and she did test positive). Have not heard whether she was apologetic or repentant, but I'm guessing not.
Some people just think of themselves Nony. Good to hear she got jail. Everyone needs to do their thing so we can go back to as normal a life as we can ASAP.
I had a young woman comment about having to move out of my way since she was blocking it smooching bf and I said thank you. You have to treat everyone as they possibly have the virus for now and so yes move over please. Maybe I'll be flying over to NZ sooner than later since we're doing pretty well down here Nony 8 -
paperpudding wrote: »Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
Reminds me of a guy in Mar., I believe, who had symptoms, had been tested, and was waiting for his results. Meanwhile, he flew from NY to FL. Turned his phone on when landing and saw his test results were positive. So that plane sat on the runway for awhile before anyone could disembark safely. I am not sure what happened to him besides that JetBlue banned him.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »Haven't heard any whining here about that either nonymouse
But I did see TV footage some weeks ago of a person in self isolation in a country town in Victoria, I think, who then went out to her mechanics and then somewhere else and people reported to police.
the other peoples wouldn't of known her test results but they knew she had returned from overseas ( this was before overseas returnees had to do motel supervised quarantine)
Was she apologetic and repentant??
No she was just angry her neighbours had dobbed her in.
What a selfish woman. Hope she got a big fine for that.
$1000.
Was from Redhead in Lake Macquarie District in NSW - not Victoria.
sorry, Victorians - when I checked on google it was not in fact a Victorian town.
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So now the CDC is estimating as many as 35% of people with Covid could be asymptomatic. That, plus the fact you can be contagious without symptoms makes for a very deadly combination. So, if people are imply not wearing masks because they're not sick, they could be dead wrong.
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So now the CDC is estimating as many as 35% of people with Covid could be asymptomatic. That, plus the fact you can be contagious without symptoms makes for a very deadly combination. So, if people are imply not wearing masks because they're not sick, they could be dead wrong others could be dead as a direct result.
FIFY.
This is the part that drives me nuts. If people have it but have no symptoms, they could easily pass it on. Wearing a mask is to prevent *you* from spreading the virus to others if you are asymptomatic. You could have it, be feeling perfectly fine, but then give it to someone who ends up dead.
All because you were "feeling fine" and couldn't be bothered to wear a mask.
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Yeah, exactly. There seem to be some who don't want to wear a mask in public because it makes them "look weak." No, it makes you look like you actually care about people besides yourself.24
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