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rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
Ah, I see... was not aware of that at all. I do know that I saw a lot of signs early on saying "Please don't wear masks. Save this precious limited resource for medical staff and use a bandana or cloth face covering instead." - Or something along those lines. But I don't recall ever seeing anything that indicated it would be hazardous to wear a mask.4 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
I agree with this. It happened in Italy too. To avoid panic because there were not enough masks for the entire population. I consider it a big mistake. Italy is used to its government and authorities lying to them, so anyone with a brain started wearing one. I quickly made my own. Now, it's required to wear one to enter stores and ride public transit. No one is rebelling or complaining here. We've opened up, but there are areas where young people congregate and that's a problem. Mayors are breaking up groups in these piazzas and mandating early closures.
Walking around downtown Rome last evening I saw 95% with masks. Businesses trying to reopen and lots of sales. The streets were crowded but everyone was moving and wearing masks. The subway was empty--I've never seen it like that on a Saturday. Churches have reopened with many precautions and designated seating 5 ft apart--even if you're married. The priest gave out communion in a mask with gloves and put it in your palm. There was a huge sanitizer dispenser in the entry.
Here's a photo of one of the streets.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
Actually in the early days of the pandemic - before homemade and cloth masks really existed - the CDC was saying masks did nothing and were potentially even harmful for us normal folk (who presumably put on a mask by rubbing the inside on the nearest flat surface then licking it). This was a misguided effort to get people to stop buying and hoarding masks so medical personnel would have enough. But their lack of truthfulness was transparent - even a child is smart enough to know that if a mask helps to protect a nurse, it will also help to protect you - and backfired severely in the long run, now that a substantial number of people don’t trust anything said by the CDC.
Ah, I see... was not aware of that at all. I do know that I saw a lot of signs early on saying "Please don't wear masks. Save this precious limited resource for medical staff and use a bandana or cloth face covering instead." - Or something along those lines. But I don't recall ever seeing anything that indicated it would be hazardous to wear a mask.
The early arguments made against masks were that they might encourage people to take more risks and ignore social distancing due to a false sense of being protected, that untrained people couldn’t get a proper fit, and that most people fiddled with them and thus touched their faces even more than they otherwise would.
I think the shift in tone coincided with increasing levels of research indicating the virus was more usually transmitted through droplets than by touching surfaces, and over a longer distance than previously believed.11 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.2 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
My mother was a nurse in Minnesota for many years. She worked the night shift and drove from the farm to the hospital in town. They always had a station for nurses to plug in their cars, otherwise in the winter they might not have gotten home in the morning.2 -
Don't really have any comments on this, except I found it both interesting and depressing:
https://www.businessinsider.com/nearly-half-of-reopen-america-twitter-accounts-are-bots-report-2020-511 -
I saw a discussion on another forum about differences between Canada and Australia. Someone in Canada said (paraphrasing): In early March, Canada and Australia had quite similar numbers for about a week. Canada has done a good job, but Australia has virtually eradicated the new coronavirus, with almost nothing for the past month. Why the difference, especially since the countries have quite similar population densities?
Things brought up as possible differences: (1) Australia is surrounded by water and was able to have a quite strict border closure/quarantine policy, whereas Canada has a long border with the US. (2) Possible (but speculative) positive effect (for once) if higher UV exposure. (3) Highly speculative theory (supported by a Chinese study and some of the results in the US too) that the virus mutated to be more virulent in Europe, and so spread from Europe (biggest source in the eastern and midwestern US and likely Canada) vs. China (likely to be a main source in Australia) could be more of an issue. (4) Australia started early on doing a huge amount of testing despite the low numbers of cases.
I suspect Australia had enough of a delay given geography and density in community spread getting started that it was able to react smartly (as NZ did too) with border control + quarantine and testing plus quarantine so as to prevent community spread getting a toehold. (Along with the various social distancing and stay at home approaches, even though people didn't always follow them in Australia, as in various other countries.)
Of course, Canada still looks really good compared to the US.12 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
It's not an electric vehicle, it's a normal gasoline vehicle. And I'm quite a bit north of you 0 F is when I start plugging in the block heater.0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Oh my... people are losing their minds...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/kentucky-gas-station-owner-who-posted-sign-banning-masks-says-purpose-was-say-government-cant-1505498?amp=1
The original article that hubby pulled up this afternoon didn’t have his commentary toward the end of the article, it was pretty B&W as written.
@moonangel12 thanks for the link because the full story does not indicate anyone is losing their mind but we know mental health decline is a concerning side effect of this 2020 Pandemic. I wear a mask when at risk of being within 6 foot of people out in the public out of respect for others and myself. The CDC has confused the public with their Wear a Mask, Don't Wear a Mask, Do Wear a Mask suggestions over the last several months. KY has no law on the books to wear a mask when near others is factual but why not for the mental health for others plus it is common sense a person does not appreciate being coughed on ever.
"We would like to clarify the statement behind our sign, we posted on the front door of our store. First of all, we would never deny any customer access inside our store, that is wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. We are not telling you to not wear a mask, what we are saying is, its your choice to wear one or not, not our governments choice for us. While some got the meaning behind it, alot did not. We didnt mean to offend anyone, but we will not apologize for our beliefs in our freedom to make our own decisions, that our government wants to make for us. We strive to keep our customers safe, and our employees."
One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
I've not seen anything inconsistent from the CDC. Has the CDC ever said that it is a bad idea to wear a mask?
As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
I'll just chime in as the resident of a northern climate to confirm that engine block heaters are still very much a necessity here and are standard equipment on every vehicle sold locally. I have to plug my vehicle in any winter night the temp dips below -18 C if I want to be sure it will start in the morning. It's also less wear and tear on your engine to have it start and run with lubricating fluids that are slightly thinner than molasses.
We’ve never, yet,had an electric vehicle. Married 45 years in September and have had a lot of vehicles in those years. Live in Minnesota where winters are cold. Temperatures can be below freezing (F 32 degrees) oftentimes for months, with days well below zero Fahrenheit. Vehicles are always outside. Always start. Sometimes a little reluctantly when miserably cold, but always start. At temperatures well below zero Fahrenheit, we have a few times plugged them in, especially when the batteries may be older, and we absolutely have to be somewhere the next morning.
The only problem we’ve had is with the tractor which runs on diesel and the gas tends to thicken up in very cold weather.
It's not an electric vehicle, it's a normal gasoline vehicle. And I'm quite a bit north of you 0 F is when I start plugging in the block heater.
I don't think anyone is saying these are electric vehicles. After electric vehicles had been brought up as something that is unusual these days, I mentioned that electric vehicles are probably more common these days than engine block heaters. Specifically, my point is that this is a variation from the past when engine block heaters were more common than electric vehicles.
This was the original comment:GaleHawkins wrote: »One coronavirus prep item I over looked was trickle chargers for the parked vehicles with internal combustion engines now that we use the EV for 99% of travel needs since ICE vehicles require going to the gas station and is not helpful for those with COPD.
This was my reply:T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »As for vehicles, I don't plug mine in and I don't have a way to do that. I would guess that most do not have an EV, but that number is probably larger than those who have an engine heater... something I remember my parents had when growing up in northern Iowa, but not sure very many even in northern climates still have those. Probably if you have a diesel, you have a plug-in heater. Would have to go pretty far north or pretty high in elevation right now to need it in the northern hemisphere.
But, I do drive a Prius (not a plug-in) hybrid. My understanding is that letting it sit too long can be stressful on the hybrid battery. For the last 2 months, I've had it out maybe once every week or so... not good for it, I'm sure.
FTR, someone driving an electric vehicle for long distances will likely need to stop somewhere and re-charge. Surfaces on charging stations could just as easily have droplets on them as surfaces on gas pumps. The idea doesn't change between these vs. touching credit card machines at stores vs. touching any other surfaces that others have touched - it's important in all of those circumstances to wash your hands after touching such surfaces and before touching food or your face, etc. I'm not sure it's as important when plugging in / unplugging an engine block heater at home when you are the only person who uses it. Still important to wash hands frequently, but the risk is when you touch surfaces that other people have touched - that is one of the ways people share this virus.
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Gale's comment seems to be written in code to me.
I have an '08 Prius, which I was told to drive more frequently before this all started (I drove it about once or twice a week before, more like once a month since). It's fine although I drove it a couple times this and last week (after not driving since Easter).
I grew up for some years in Anchorage, AK, and plugging in your car was not a big thing (snow tires were), although it was commonly below -4 F (which is the same as -18 C). It was a thing in Fairbanks, where much colder temps were common. -4 F happens in Chicago and I am not aware of people plugging in here. But it's unusual and short term. Jan '19 was the polar vortex which was -23 F in Chicago (that's -30 C) (and of course that does not include wind chill), but I did not drive that day. Ubers and Lyfts were, though, as I tried to go to the airport (the flights all got cancelled due to weather),0 -
I saw a discussion on another forum about differences between Canada and Australia. Someone in Canada said (paraphrasing): In early March, Canada and Australia had quite similar numbers for about a week. Canada has done a good job, but Australia has virtually eradicated the new coronavirus, with almost nothing for the past month. Why the difference, especially since the countries have quite similar population densities?
Things brought up as possible differences: (1) Australia is surrounded by water and was able to have a quite strict border closure/quarantine policy, whereas Canada has a long border with the US. (2) Possible (but speculative) positive effect (for once) if higher UV exposure. (3) Highly speculative theory (supported by a Chinese study and some of the results in the US too) that the virus mutated to be more virulent in Europe, and so spread from Europe (biggest source in the eastern and midwestern US and likely Canada) vs. China (likely to be a main source in Australia) could be more of an issue. (4) Australia started early on doing a huge amount of testing despite the low numbers of cases.
I suspect Australia had enough of a delay given geography and density in community spread getting started that it was able to react smartly (as NZ did too) with border control + quarantine and testing plus quarantine so as to prevent community spread getting a toehold. (Along with the various social distancing and stay at home approaches, even though people didn't always follow them in Australia, as in various other countries.)
Of course, Canada still looks really good compared to the US.
as someone living in Australia - that is really interesting, thank you.
For benifit of other readers, (and sorry if stating the obvious) Australia is divided into states and terrritories.
Some are doing better than others (although all doing much better than US)
Victoria and NSW have been the hardest hit and still have active cases and a slow rate of new cases per day
SA and NT are coronavirus free - no active cases, one new (imported) case in last month.
The whole of Australia has closed international borders and anyone coming in - Australians returning - must be in supervised quarantine for 2 weeks.
Our state border is also closed. Anyone coming in - South Australians returning from interstate or people coming for exceptional compassionate reasons - must be in self quarantine for 14 days - and checks will be done to ensure you are complying.
Restrictions are being lifted gradually - and states are at different places with this.
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Gale's comment seems to be written in code to me.
I have an '08 Prius, which I was told to drive more frequently before this all started (I drove it about once or twice a week before, more like once a month since). It's fine although I drove it a couple times this and last week (after not driving since Easter).
I grew up for some years in Anchorage, AK, and plugging in your car was not a big thing (snow tires were), although it was commonly below -4 F (which is the same as -18 C). It was a thing in Fairbanks, where much colder temps were common. -4 F happens in Chicago and I am not aware of people plugging in here. But it's unusual and short term. Jan '19 was the polar vortex which was -23 F in Chicago (that's -30 C) (and of course that does not include wind chill), but I did not drive that day. Ubers and Lyfts were, though, as I tried to go to the airport (the flights all got cancelled due to weather),
I was in Minneapolis a couple years ago during a polar vortex and my car ('16 Prius) started fine in... I don't recall exactly... maybe between -30F and -40F. Having said that, my mpg was just the worst (in the teens during that time) because the gas engine had to run constantly. Normally, the idea of hybrids is for the gas engine to shut off and use the hybrid battery when possible. But the gas engine was needed to keep everything warm enough, I suppose. If I had a diesel, I'm sure I would have had problems. I'm not an expert, but have heard that a lot of trucks still use something to keep their fuel tanks warm enough so the diesel doesn't gel in the winter when sitting.2 -
OK, so here's a completely off-topic personal whine, but with a COVID-relevant twist.
Some (bleep) took out my mailbox overnight, flattened the heavy galvanized-pipe post into the ground so hard that I couldn't pull it out by hand, ripped up the wet ditch, lost a side mirror and some red/black vehicular scraps along the way, and bottomed out to damage the end of a culvert that goes under my driveway on the way out. 🙄
So, I called in a police report. Here's the COVID-relevant part, loosely related to police procedures in the time of COVID, at least in my (quiet, suburban) area:
The dispatcher apologized for having to ask, but did ask several questions about whether I had symptoms, anyone else in the household was sick, etc. (No, plus I said I'd wear face covering when the officer arrived, which I did.) Officer did not wear a mask. (IMO, she didn't need to waste one, given my answers, the fact that we were outdoors, and I had one on. We were mostly >6' apart; the closest we got was when she handed me a business card at arm's length. (I had on work gloves, because I was cleaning up glass & debris.))19 -
OK, so here's a completely off-topic personal whine, but with a COVID-relevant twist.
Some (bleep) took out my mailbox overnight, flattened the heavy galvanized-pipe post into the ground so hard that I couldn't pull it out by hand, ripped up the wet ditch, lost a side mirror and some red/black vehicular scraps along the way, and bottomed out to damage the end of a culvert that goes under my driveway on the way out. 🙄
So, I called in a police report. Here's the COVID-relevant part, loosely related to police procedures in the time of COVID, at least in my (quiet, suburban) area:
The dispatcher apologized for having to ask, but did ask several questions about whether I had symptoms, anyone else in the household was sick, etc. (No, plus I said I'd wear face covering when the officer arrived, which I did.) Officer did not wear a mask. (IMO, she didn't need to waste one, given my answers, the fact that we were outdoors, and I had one on. We were mostly >6' apart; the closest we got was when she handed me a business card at arm's length. (I had on work gloves, because I was cleaning up glass & debris.))
I have been interested to see a lot of businesses asking those kinds of questions as part of their now-standard procedure - I've been questioned before someone came to do fibre installation, while ordering items for collection, when booking a haircut, and when booking for flu vaccinations & doctor appointments. And we are hearing a big emphasis on staying home if you are at all sick in any way.
But how annoying about the mailbox!! Hopefully with the debris left behind the culprit can be found.4 -
Youth sports opening up this week (soccer already scheduled, Baseball probably next week). Smaller groups, no touching, no sharing of equipment...so just skills practice, really. Have to wear masks to practice and when leaving, but not while playing. Not sure how or if that’ll work for my younger ones (not sure how 4 yo Tball team will social distance!).
Also not sure how this will work for us in general...parents are supposed to stay in the car for an hour and a half. With all the other kids...in 90 degree weather, too far to make driving home worth it...yeah. Same with their band and choir—outdoor rehearsals, possible outdoor concert in next phase of opening, parents need to stay away.5 -
Most older (pre 2015) Prius traction batteries are used the NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride Battery) technology but I do not know the protocol voltage % they need to be stored at. Some high end Prius starting in 2015 got lithium ion batteries and long term storage for lithium Ion is at around 40% to 50% state of charge. The regular 12 volt batteries on EV's need to be recharged from time to time just like any ICE vehicle not being used. Taking a car out for an hour drive once a month would be helpful in most cases.
We charge the Nissan Leaf at home and currently it is charging because I will go pick up the wife in 45 minutes. It is full electric with no gas engine so other than for the tractors we are not pumping fuel much these days. Tonight I was out trying to recover the battery on the wife's car because they fail if they set around discharged in times like these. The shut down of the country is driving the sales of new starting batteries for sure.
Most EV's are sold in China today but are becoming more common. After getting away from gas engines for daily driving the smell from tail pipes and gas pumps gets to me and I do not have COPD.
Areas with higher levels of air pollution reported had higher COVID-19 death rates so I think outside of the USA EV's are going to become quite common over the next 5-10 years. It seems the air we breath and the foods we eat are getting more attention due to the number of COVID-19 deaths in some regions. The USA just relaxed future emission standards for vehicles due to cost of reducing vehicle pollution.2 -
Never mind. Not worth it.11
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On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.13 -
snowflake954 wrote: »On another note, back here in Italy...we are opening up. I went to our fitness center yesterday and today. There are many rules for going. You must enter wearing a mask and follow the footprints on the floor. Ist stop is the sanitizing gel station. Then the machine that reads your temp using your inside wrist. Then there is a desk with all the reservations (all lessons and activities must be preregistered online) and one must fill out a form stating that one has not had contact with anyone with COVID, or had any of the symptoms and sign and date it. Then, if doing a lesson--I did Yogaflex yesterday, you follow the footprints to the room, outside change of street shoes to socks. Street shoes must go in a bag. You must bring your own towel and mat and place the mat on large green dots glued to the floor, so that everyone is spaced apart. Masks are taken off only for the activity and then replaced. hand sanitizer is everywhere and the rooms are sanitized after every use. Then follow the footprints out. At the desk you logout.
Today I used the gym. They had moved the weights outside under a colonade (this fitness center is run by a catholic school, so they're taking some space since school is closed). In the gym itself the treadmills and other machines were all spaced apart and some were posted to not be used. This is to keep everyone apart. All machines must be sanitized after use. No masks while working out, but as soon as you leave the room, it goes on. I used the changing room and I was the only one there at 8:30 in the morning. I showered and dried my hair, but can see that this will be a problem with more people. The pool is still closed for at least another week. This is a learning experience, but they are doing everything they can to keep people safe. Everyone is complying.
I'm really glad to hear about all of Italy's safeguards and that everyone seems to be taking this so seriously. I wish we would do more of that or at least heed our gov.'s rules. But I do have to say with all the pre-measures to an exercise lesson, I think I'd rather search on youtube and do it at home. Just reading it all made me tired out and ready for a nap.
Good luck to you Snowflake, stay safe!! And thank you for sharing!7
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