Coronavirus prep
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Diatonic12 wrote: »Ayup. ^^The imaginary mask thing. Wear it down below your nose and mouth. I saw this at the hospital when my relative was getting a blood test and it was the nurse. Why bother.
You wouldn't even get in the door at a hospital or clinic here without a mask and if you removed it once inside you would promptly be escorted out by security. I had blood work done a couple weeks ago and had to check in outside getting my temperature taken and a host of questions, then moved to another station where I filled out a little card with my phone number, etc and had to go wait in my car until they called me into the lobby. The lobby was limited to 4 people.
Mask use is high in New Mexico, at least in the urban centers...I think it may be a little more lax in rural areas...but definitely required for entering a healthcare facility as we do not have the healthcare resources here to handle a whole lot outside of what is normal. We just don't have much capacity for something like this.3 -
Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
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COVID Response Tracking Study:
https://www.norc.org/PDFs/COVID Response Tracking Study/Historic Shift in Americans Happiness Amid Pandemic.pdf
"In the midst of the coronavirus outbreak, the public’s happiness is at a five-decade low despite most Americans being satisfied with their financial situation, according to a new survey from NORC at the University of Chicago.
The study highlights how Americans’ outlook and emotional health compare to nearly 50 years of trends in public opinion data from the General Social Survey (GSS). The historical context reveals unique impacts of the outbreak on public sentiment: an all-time low in people saying they are very happy (14%) combined with an all-time high in people saying they are satisfied with their family’s financial situation (80%). These contrasting findings suggest that people are comparing their happiness to their own psychological well-being before the pandemic while assessing their finances in relation to the millions of fellow Americans who have lost jobs, wages, or investments following the outbreak....
With many social distancing guidelines in place, about twice as many Americans report feeling isolated at least sometimes compared to two years ago (50% vs. 23%). Since 2018, fewer people are also now satisfied with their social relationships, and more are reporting a fair or poor ability to carry out their social activities....
People who live in a county with a high number of COVID-19 deaths are lonelier than those living in less
impacted counties. In addition, those in high-impact counties are more likely to say they are not happy than
are those living in less-impacted counties (32% vs. 21%).
Other key findings from the study include:
■ Forty-two percent of Americans believe that their children’s standard of living when they are older will
be better than their own standard of living—a sharp decline from 57% in 2018 and the lowest level of
optimism for the next generation since first measured in 1994....
■ More Americans say they have lost their temper more often after the COVID outbreak (30%) than said
the same after 9/11 (20%) or the Kennedy assassination (19%).
■ More Americans currently report that they often feel anxious, depressed, or irritable compared to two
years ago (18% vs. 13%).
■ Those who say they have likely been exposed to someone with the coronavirus are nearly twice as
likely to feel like difficulties are piling up so high that they cannot overcome them (21% vs. 11%)....
For about two decades, 3 in 10 Americans said that, taken all together, they are very happy. In 2020, the
number of people who say they are very happy hit a historical low of 14%, a 17 percentage-point drop since
2018. The percentage of people who described themselves as not too happy also spiked to an all-time high
since the question was first asked in 1972....
Optimism for the future generation has also fallen. In the wake of the outbreak, only 42% believe that when
their children are their age their standard of living will be better than their own, whereas 57% said the same
in 2018. Since the question was asked in 1994, the previous low was 45% in 1994."7 -
Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
We need a "WTF?!" reaction here.11 -
Wife went to a plastic surgeon for a consult regarding getting a small cyst removed. When she preregistered on line there were all kinds of notices regarding wearing a mask to the appointment. She dutifully wore her face covering to the appointment. The only other person in the office wearing a mask was another patient in the waiting room.
None of the front office staff, nurses or the doctor (who was in a vulnerable age range) was wearing a mask.
WTF?13 -
It was the nurse at the hospital taking blood who was wearing her mask below her nose and mouth, sitting directly in front of patients.
'Ayup. ^^The imaginary mask thing. Wear it down below your nose and mouth. I saw this at the hospital when my relative was getting a blood test and it was the nurse. Why bother.'
We have 5 new cases this morning in town.7 -
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick.Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Memphis yesterday passed an ordinance making masks required indoors in public places. They are optional but recommended when walking or exercising outdoors, but you have to carry one even if you don’t wear it. Exceptions for small children and people with a doctor’s note saying they can’t wear a mask.
My husband and I went for a trail run at dawn at a park in a suburb, and were passed by 15 people who refused to social distance - that would be all of them, with the exception of one very polite cyclist who thanked us for getting over, and an old man who was walking way out on the grass whenever anyone came near. No masks anywhere.9 -
Wisconsin in proving to be an interesting case. Back in May, the state Supreme Court ruled that stay-at-home orders were illegal, leaving it up to cities and counties to determine how to handle the crisis and opening up. We are a state with a lot of small towns and farmland, with a few big cities. When covid first hit, the cities were hit the hardest which was not a surprise.
After the ruling, the two largest cities (actually the entire county they were in) declared that they were still following stay at home but many of the more rural counties opened up. We had a small spike in some places but the state average actually has been going down. I guess this is a good demonstration that avoiding large groups of people works, whether it is your normal behavior or by government decree.
The court ruling was May 13.
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Wisconsin in proving to be an interesting case. Back in May, the state Supreme Court ruled that stay-at-home orders were illegal, leaving it up to cities and counties to determine how to handle the crisis and opening up. We are a state with a lot of small towns and farmland, with a few big cities. When covid first hit, the cities were hit the hardest which was not a surprise.
After the ruling, the two largest cities (actually the entire county they were in) declared that they were still following stay at home but many of the more rural counties opened up. We had a small spike in some places but the state average actually has been going down. I guess this is a good demonstration that avoiding large groups of people works, whether it is your normal behavior or by government decree.
The court ruling was May 13.
Yeah, it does seem to me that despite a generally lax attitude to the stay at home orders and masks that smaller and more rural areas are doing just fine, which is why I'm not that bothered by it. It's definitely true throughout much of IL.
More dense urban areas (cities and counties) are the ones that really seem to need to be strict about it. We are finally going down, but I am more frustrated by how many aren't being sensible here given how slowly the decline is. But I also understand that it's hard -- well, I don't understand not wearing the masks when you are in close proximity to others and cannot social distance well -- in that it's just been so long.4 -
Can't believe i've lost more weight without the gym then i was with it. Insane.9
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rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
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rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask
) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ). 18 -
Mask usage has gone WAY up here. I have only seen masks for sale in the past two weeks to the public, but I only shop once a week so I could have missed it earlier.
3 weeks ago I was saddened by the low mask usage. I went to the store today and probably saw the highest mask usage to date. I rarely saw people without them, and I don't think I saw a single improperly worn mask either.
I think it is because numbers in our state are going up, but not our area. We want to keep it that way. I mean not going up in our area, not keep going up in our state...you know what I mean. Or maybe it is availability, or social pressure, or that things are opening but businesses can and will refuse to allow you to enter without a mask, so you may as well do it.5 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I haven't read all the replies.
For those who say mask usage is low where you are, what is the availability of masks?
I saw low mask usage in the last couple of weeks, probably since we went into phase 1 on May 4th. Suddenly, mask usage is going up. But also, I JUST started seeing masks for sale in regular stores - Target, Kroger, etc. I bought some.
I think this may have something to do with low usage, not everyone can sew. Not everyone goes on etsy to buy masks. But if you can pick up a pack at your local store? When you are buying groceries? Maybe that will help with usage. It is a little sucky of the government to ask everyone (or require everyone) to wear masks but not PROVIDE them, and not only are they not provided they aren't available to the average person, what with doctor's offices and hair salons buying a bunch (I mean, they need them too).
That said, usage is way up this week. I'm glad to see more people wearing masks!
There may be something to that (the bolded), but it seems odd to me in this way: The public health info that's been publicized has been very clear that any reasonable face covering can be used, even a bandana or scarf. Those are and have been pretty universally available in stores, and I'd bet most households had at least one even before this.
I think it's possible that availability of official masks has been a little bit fetishized or "magicalized", though - I've observed some of my friends and acquaintences speaking as if a mask-shaped 2-layer piece of cotton fabric is somehow much superior to a scarf-shaped 2-layer piece of cotton fabric, which seems weird to me (in a case where there's at least equal facial fit/coverage, of course).
I'd say usage here has been 50% and up in most places I've been, but everyone and her sister has been sewing home-made masks here for a couple of months now, and early on I had multiple Facebook friends either offering them to others for free, or for money but not a huge amount. I doubt I'm unique in that, so I think most people probably could've gotten one without much difficulty since the first half of March, at least. A fair percentage of masks I see are home-made cloth ones, at least half, with the rest a mix of the medical-ish-looking commercial ones, fancy fitted commercial ones, or something improvised (bandanas, shop masks, etc.).4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask ) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ).
Oh, I'm bitchy in normal times, but last time I went to my closest grocery and some were just disregarding the posted rules (not masks, but the cart rules, and the arrows), I was muttering to myself about it. I realized I was being a freak and doing no good, but still. I decided just not to go there vs. becoming a nutjob.
Lately I've been going to my office with strict rules but few are there yet, so have been a bit on the non compliant side (doors are labeled exit and entrance but there aren't enough there yet for you to meet up with anyone).5 -
ExistingFish wrote: »I haven't read all the replies.
For those who say mask usage is low where you are, what is the availability of masks?
I saw low mask usage in the last couple of weeks, probably since we went into phase 1 on May 4th. Suddenly, mask usage is going up. But also, I JUST started seeing masks for sale in regular stores - Target, Kroger, etc. I bought some.
I think this may have something to do with low usage, not everyone can sew. Not everyone goes on etsy to buy masks. But if you can pick up a pack at your local store? When you are buying groceries? Maybe that will help with usage. It is a little sucky of the government to ask everyone (or require everyone) to wear masks but not PROVIDE them, and not only are they not provided they aren't available to the average person, what with doctor's offices and hair salons buying a bunch (I mean, they need them too).
That said, usage is way up this week. I'm glad to see more people wearing masks!
There may be something to that (the bolded), but it seems odd to me in this way: The public health info that's been publicized has been very clear that any reasonable face covering can be used, even a bandana or scarf. Those are and have been pretty universally available in stores, and I'd bet most households had at least one even before this.
I think it's possible that availability of official masks has been a little bit fetishized or "magicalized", though - I've observed some of my friends and acquaintences speaking as if a mask-shaped 2-layer piece of cotton fabric is somehow much superior to a scarf-shaped 2-layer piece of cotton fabric, which seems weird to me (in a case where there's at least equal facial fit/coverage, of course).
I'd say usage here has been 50% and up in most places I've been, but everyone and her sister has been sewing home-made masks here for a couple of months now, and early on I had multiple Facebook friends either offering them to others for free, or for money but not a huge amount. I doubt I'm unique in that, so I think most people probably could've gotten one without much difficulty since the first half of March, at least. A fair percentage of masks I see are home-made cloth ones, at least half, with the rest a mix of the medical-ish-looking commercial ones, fancy fitted commercial ones, or something improvised (bandanas, shop masks, etc.).
I was hanging out with a co-worker in my office today (we were mostly working) and both of us were wearing homemade masks. Both of us also initially said we were fine with no masks, but decided to wear them (we were about 4 feet apart). Neither of us thought our masks didn't count.
I drove a couple of co-workers (friends who have been distancing) in yesterday and said I wasn't wearing a mask when driving (I think it affects my vision) and one (front seat) did not wear one, and one (back seat) did, but I'm convinced both are low risk and I think they know I am.
Here masks are provided, btw, for free and you can get them delivered, and they've been available for purchase for a while (as they have been everywhere on etsy or amazon, etc), yet clearly downtown some outside aren't bothering with them. I drove through the West Loop on the way home and hordes of 20-somethings and early 30-somethings without them, since I guess too cool. But at least in my nabe they are common and in my office they are enforced.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask ) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ).
No, it's not something I've seen either. I was at the grocery store today, at the self-check, the woman at the self-check next to me kept apologizing to the woman behind her for taking so long, and the woman waiting kept assuring her it was no problem and not to stress about it. They went back and forth for several minutes apologizing and politely assuring back and forth.
I'm in a southern state though. Maybe it's just our culture. I've noticed myself being especially forgiving and courteous. Maybe because it's my only social outing, I'm so excited to be out even if it's buying groceries in a mask.9 -
I guess with the resurgence of the virus in some states, the governors have decided that some constituents are expendable.😢
They will not retighten restrictions. You are on your own.
At the grocery store yesterday, bacon is now $7.99 for a 12 ounce package. Pork sausage and sliced ham were both reasonably priced and I purchased both. Pre Covid, most weeks, I could purchase 2-12 oz packages of bacon for $7.00. It’s all pork. Why such different prices? They had plenty of all pork products.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask ) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ).
Oh, I'm bitchy in normal times, but last time I went to my closest grocery and some were just disregarding the posted rules (not masks, but the cart rules, and the arrows), I was muttering to myself about it. I realized I was being a freak and doing no good, but still. I decided just not to go there vs. becoming a nutjob.
Lately I've been going to my office with strict rules but few are there yet, so have been a bit on the non compliant side (doors are labeled exit and entrance but there aren't enough there yet for you to meet up with anyone).
I've found the one-way foot traffic in the stores to be the trickiest to adhere to.
They need bigger arrows. I'm constantly back-tracking because I forgot something or have to substitute, etc. That's when I notice I'm going the wrong way. Oops. 7 -
And a friend who is an at risk person (lung issues) and has been home since 4/1, saw her COBRA payment go from $1566/month to $1706/month for family coverage a/o 7/1.12
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The tests for covid for me and spouse came back negative (yay) so I am now sure I am dealing with a summer cold I caught SOMEHOW despite all the fricking hand washing, distancing, masking and whatnot. The best part of this, after being able to set aside the pondering about setting up a DNI order at the hospital, is not wearing a mask in the house to protect vulnerable spouse. Just thought I'd pop in with that good news 26
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I'm really glad you didn't have it, Maxxitt.5
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missysippy930 wrote: »And a friend who is an at risk person (lung issues) and has been home since 4/1, saw her COBRA payment go from $1566/month to $1706/month for family covera7/1.
I'm starting to think the financial fallout of this 2000 Pandemic will be a negative long after we stop tracking COVID-19 deaths. The direct and indirect business cost increases are getting past to the consumer. Business failures will decrease competition leading to price increases. Kind of a bad time to be be retired , near retirement or have a deleted job.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask ) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ).
Oh, I'm bitchy in normal times, but last time I went to my closest grocery and some were just disregarding the posted rules (not masks, but the cart rules, and the arrows), I was muttering to myself about it. I realized I was being a freak and doing no good, but still. I decided just not to go there vs. becoming a nutjob.
Lately I've been going to my office with strict rules but few are there yet, so have been a bit on the non compliant side (doors are labeled exit and entrance but there aren't enough there yet for you to meet up with anyone).
I've found the one-way foot traffic in the stores to be the trickiest to adhere to. They need bigger arrows. I'm constantly back-tracking because I forgot something or have to substitute, etc. That's when I notice I'm going the wrong way. Oops.
I've found that the biggest violators of the one-way aisles are the store employees themselves. Most customers are pretty good about it, but if someone is going the wrong way, it's most likely to be the workers who are filling pick-up orders. I get that they are probably in a time-crunch, but it's a bad look when your own employees are not following the store rules.6 -
Re Pork Products price rises,
(From the UK) I read something to the effect there can be difficulties right at the start of the process, getting the animals to the abattoir from farms and processing them. Even keeping premises going with reduced staffing because of the virus. Needing to increase the availability of protective clothing, not to mention making booths on packing lines so distancing can be observed properly while still providing the service the public need. That was something I'd not considered. Some manufacturers may reduce the span of products they produce choosing to present them in the most convenient way for most people enabling the packaging department to provide higher volumes because the process can be uninterrupted. A consequence of this could be more expensive cuts could become more expensive because they are more complex in production. So it seems, may be, not every producer/shopping outlet are hiking prices simply because they can, some of it could be necessary. I hope its the latter.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
Jeez Louise. I feel like they need to issue everyone with official 6’ long sticks - if I can reach you with my stick, I am legally allowed to hit you with my stick...Here's a fun story for you. This is by far the stupidest thing I've seen so far. I was at the store and this guy standing near me literally pulled his mask down to sneeze out into the open air and then pulled it back on. I guess he didn't want to breathe in his own sneeze and mess up his mask with sneeze juices. Thanks, buddy. 🤧 I navigated away from him ASAP, but I couldn't freaking believe it. And there was an elderly woman standing right in his sneeze zone.
Not only are more than half the people not wearing masks anymore, since the local leadership caved to the complainers and made masks optional but recommended, some of those who are wearing them are doing crap like that.
Opening things up wouldn't be so bad if people would behave themselves and follow recommended guidelines. Especially when we're living in a covid hot zone.
When we make things optional, like wearing masks in stores, people seem to choose poorly. It seems to be all or nothing with people. They are acting like it has to be a complete shut down OR completely open and throwing all caution to the wind. Why can't we open things up AND use precautions?
Bwahahhahahaha!
Issue the order - I'm ready for battle! My staff training may finally pay off...
I've seen video of myself doing staff training. Sadly, it did not look like that.
Some of the behavior in stores does have me thinking again about exploiting li'l ol' lady privilege to carry a (gratefully, so far) physically unnnecessary cane, so I have the option of whacking people with it at an extreme.
I was out again today at 3 stores (local health food grocery, Whole Foods, Costco), and again the experience varied some (in terms of number wearing masks) and how people behaved, as compared with other times. That mouth-only mask thing was more common today, for example.
Does anyone else find themselves getting more short-tempered? (I assume in my case it's from isolation, either unacknowledged stress, "cabin fever" or atrophy of social skills from exercising them less.) A woman behnd me in the exit line at Costco was very impatient - I'd almost swear she clicked at me at one point, like some form of indoor horn-honking. (I admit to being a li'l ol' lady, but more spry than doddering physically, truly.) At one point, behind me, she muttered "does she have to be so slow", either about the receipt-checker at the door, or the woman just finishing being checked, who was getting her stuff together. I admit, I turned around, looked her in the face, and raised an eyebrow at her (above my mask ) quite emphatically, though I did keep my mouth shut. This is really not like me. I rarely get irritated, and pretty much never broadcast it. (In my particular Scandinavian Midwestern subculture, a raised eyebrow is a very strong expression of emotion. ).
Oh, I'm bitchy in normal times, but last time I went to my closest grocery and some were just disregarding the posted rules (not masks, but the cart rules, and the arrows), I was muttering to myself about it. I realized I was being a freak and doing no good, but still. I decided just not to go there vs. becoming a nutjob.
Lately I've been going to my office with strict rules but few are there yet, so have been a bit on the non compliant side (doors are labeled exit and entrance but there aren't enough there yet for you to meet up with anyone).
I've found the one-way foot traffic in the stores to be the trickiest to adhere to. They need bigger arrows. I'm constantly back-tracking because I forgot something or have to substitute, etc. That's when I notice I'm going the wrong way. Oops.
I've found that the biggest violators of the one-way aisles are the store employees themselves. Most customers are pretty good about it, but if someone is going the wrong way, it's most likely to be the workers who are filling pick-up orders. I get that they are probably in a time-crunch, but it's a bad look when your own employees are not following the store rules.
FWIW, that's not been the case here. Sure, some staff are going the wrong way, but IME lots of customers are completely ignoring the arrows.
It actually doesn't bother me as much if it's staff (I know that's irrational). And no matter which way everyone's going, it's the passing/proximity that's a problem IMU. Bothers me little if a shopper goes the wrong way to grab something within feet of the aisle-end, when no one else is there, vs. someone following arrows but passing close - staff or shopper.
And by "bother", I don't mean panic/fear. I mean "makes me think they're rude, ignorant, or stupid".
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GaleHawkins wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »And a friend who is an at risk person (lung issues) and has been home since 4/1, saw her COBRA payment go from $1566/month to $1706/month for family covera7/1.
I'm starting to think the financial fallout of this 2000 Pandemic will be a negative long after we stop tracking COVID-19 deaths. The direct and indirect business cost increases are getting past to the consumer. Business failures will decrease competition leading to price increases. Kind of a bad time to be be retired , near retirement or have a deleted job.
Unfortunately some retired people may need to go back to work at least part time. My job at a multi-national corporation was eliminated in 2016 after 35 years. At that time I was fortunate enough to be able to take virtually the highest pension payment I would be eligible for. I was told I could come back in 6 months and apply for an agency job which I still have.
Long as I'm healthy and able to do it going to keep at it. Never know when you'll get thrown a curve.5 -
I get irritated at very little now (except grandchildren, of course). This isolation is totally gruesome!
People were mostly all wearing masks last month and the month before and following arrows, however I think they've mostly given up. At least people aren't in a looney state of fear but I think common sense has taken a vacation after this prolonged lockdown.
The economics of all of this (prices, mom and pop businesses, cost of lost jobs - of course not counting the lapse of mental health due to lockdown/unemployment/etc) will be HUGE! I don't see us getting out from under this for years and even then, some never will get over it totally. Think of the numerous people with a life-long dream for a personal business that loses everything for the rest of their life or the parents who were just starting to make enough to put food on the table regularly and a decent roof over the head of their young family then Covid unemployment with severe competition for jobs for a long time.10 -
Tucson mayor just made wearing masks in public mandatory. Governor Ducey allowed individual cities to basically make their own rules since Arizona is quickly becoming the next Italy. 3000 new cases a day or more.
Think about AZ. We spend a LOT of our time indoors in A/C in the Summertime. No masks required, all it takes is one person with Covid-19.
Some in Tucson are whining up a storm about the mandatory mask requirements. Have to read up to see how restaurants and bars will handle that. I'm not sure if people realize we are the only country whining about masks. About masks. SMH. The popular Sheriff in our town (one of the ones, "I'm gonna live my life" guys) just tested positive for Covid-19. He was supposed to meet the President this weekend! I guess he got tested in advance and found out he had it! He's fairly young and healthy, so I wish him well. But to ignore it is ignorant.
Wife and I went out last night to a Mexican place and (again) sat outside on the patio. 100 degree heat but in the shade. Wanted to get away from thinking about the wildfires for a night. Got home and the whole mountain was aglow. Really awe inspiring the power of nature and scary as hell.
So far, they have saved the little town up on the mountain, which is quite incredible, considering the DC 10s were grounded yesterday. A whole new appreciation for the 700 to 800 people fighting this fire today. They have basically told us day after day what would happen the next day and how they would handle it. And they haven't been wrong yet. It is now 3 miles from my house on the mountain ridge above. Yesterday and tomorrow are supposed to be as close as it will get. Doesn't like to go back down off the mountain, tends to go up. Even if it would come down, the fire fighter base of operations is right down the block from my house.24
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