Coronavirus prep
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Nick Cordero lost his battle yesterday.
Before Covid I'd never heard his name. I've been following his struggles for the past couple months. His wife has been keeping the public updated through IG. Her support and love knew no bounds. This makes me sad.
Same. His wife had so much hope, I couldn't help but feel her optimism. It's heartbreaking.4 -
Nick Cordero lost his battle yesterday. Before Covid I'd never heard his name. I've been following his struggles for the past couple months. His wife has been keeping the public updated through IG. Her support and love knew no bounds. This makes me sad.
What he went through was horrendous. Complication after complication. Covid is a dreadful thing. 😔4 -
https://theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/07/week-america-lost-control-pandemic/613831/
Nick Cordero's story should be a wake up call in the USA especially in light of the above article.
It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers.
Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time.
So many are trying to work in a vacation this month since it is the last chance before schools open next month.
Corona virus prep is more important today than since the beginning of this current 2020 pandemic. As the hurricane season normal peak is coming up in the August-Oct time window medical attention, food and housing may not happen for some in the southern states with run away positive COVID-19 cases today.
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Hanibanani2020 wrote: »
I’ve mentioned a few times in this thread where I’m from already 😊. Horse-gate-bolted imho for borders closing.Hanibanani2020 wrote: »Borders close again tomorrow. Thankfully but hopefully not too late.
You probably should mention which boarders since people from all over the world are on here and won't know or remember perhaps where you are. New South Wales are closing boarders to Victoria in Australia
Good it is for sure for the rest of the country. Not sure how safe it is to open up all other than Vic. to each other yet like NSW premier mentioned. Hope they take it slow and see what is the best way forward, too soon right now but maybe a few weeks we'll know better.
I have a few people memorized, but far from all, so I mention my state (Massachusetts) every post.9 -
My mom (64 with diabetes) and my dad (65 with COPD) contracted covid. My dad was able to recover on his own. My mom was sick for about a week and then got very bad. She went to the hospital and was immediately transfered to a large hospital by ambulance. At first she was on a high flow of oxygen, but eventually she was put on a ventilator. After about 6 days she was able to come off the ventilator and go back to oxygen support. She is still in the hospital after 2 weeks and will likely be in another week. She recieved all of the experimental treatments available and nearly lost her life. It has been incredibly hard to have her so sick and not be there. This is a horrible virus and I pray that more effective treatments or a vaccine is developed. The cost to the US in hospital bills will be enormous. My parents have insurance and will be ok.
For anyone interested, my dad went to a small bar/grill in a town of about 200. It is a farming area and I think that they thought they would be safer because it was so rural. One of the staff tested positive shortly after he and a friend had lunch. The staff did not wear masks. Both he and his friend came down with it and my mom got sick a few days later.35 -
My mom (64 with diabetes) and my dad (65 with COPD) contracted covid. My dad was able to recover on his own. My mom was sick for about a week and then got very bad. She went to the hospital and was immediately transfered to a large hospital by ambulance. At first she was on a high flow of oxygen, but eventually she was put on a ventilator. After about 6 days she was able to come off the ventilator and go back to oxygen support. She is still in the hospital after 2 weeks and will likely be in another week. She recieved all of the experimental treatments available and nearly lost her life. It has been incredibly hard to have her so sick and not be there. This is a horrible virus and I pray that more effective treatments or a vaccine is developed. The cost to the US in hospital bills will be enormous. My parents have insurance and will be ok.
For anyone interested, my dad went to a small bar/grill in a town of about 200. It is a farming area and I think that they thought they would be safer because it was so rural. One of the staff tested positive shortly after he and a friend had lunch. The staff did not wear masks. Both he and his friend came down with it and my mom got sick a few days later.
I'm so sorry to hear that about your mom. I hope she continues to improve.6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Hanibanani2020 wrote: »
I’ve mentioned a few times in this thread where I’m from already 😊. Horse-gate-bolted imho for borders closing.Hanibanani2020 wrote: »Borders close again tomorrow. Thankfully but hopefully not too late.
You probably should mention which boarders since people from all over the world are on here and won't know or remember perhaps where you are. New South Wales are closing boarders to Victoria in Australia Good it is for sure for the rest of the country. Not sure how safe it is to open up all other than Vic. to each other yet like NSW premier mentioned. Hope they take it slow and see what is the best way forward, too soon right now but maybe a few weeks we'll know better.
I have a few people memorized, but far from all, so I mention my state (Massachusetts) every post.
I do too, although I imagine everyone going "yeah, we know." But in reality I know people often don't remember that kind of stuff at all. I have a pretty good memory for where a number of people are, but mostly the ones who have been posting the most.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers.
Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time.
I don't disagree that dealing with the pandemic is crucially important, but I'm not sure why it has -- in your view -- only become so now, vs. in months past.4 -
My mom (64 with diabetes) and my dad (65 with COPD) contracted covid. My dad was able to recover on his own. My mom was sick for about a week and then got very bad. She went to the hospital and was immediately transfered to a large hospital by ambulance. At first she was on a high flow of oxygen, but eventually she was put on a ventilator. After about 6 days she was able to come off the ventilator and go back to oxygen support. She is still in the hospital after 2 weeks and will likely be in another week. She recieved all of the experimental treatments available and nearly lost her life. It has been incredibly hard to have her so sick and not be there. This is a horrible virus and I pray that more effective treatments or a vaccine is developed. The cost to the US in hospital bills will be enormous. My parents have insurance and will be ok.
For anyone interested, my dad went to a small bar/grill in a town of about 200. It is a farming area and I think that they thought they would be safer because it was so rural. One of the staff tested positive shortly after he and a friend had lunch. The staff did not wear masks. Both he and his friend came down with it and my mom got sick a few days later.
So sorry, and I hope your mom continues to recover and can be home soon.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Ran into a friend I hadn't seen for a couple months at the store. He said he was one month out from a heart attack and a stent put in. He said he was going to cardiac rehab. Asked me if I had been in out gym yet, he was planning on going back (I assume with his doctor's okay) and doing some spin classes.
It's tough to decided what is okay/an acceptable risk in this environment.
He’s so lucky he got into a hospital and got it taken care of. Wish him the best. Around here he may not have been admitted to a hospital.
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I would be skeptical making any conclusions based on headlines from the Federalist (ideally, all conclusions would be based on sources beyond headlines, but in this case especially).7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers.
Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time.
I don't disagree that dealing with the pandemic is crucially important, but I'm not sure why it has -- in your view -- only become so now, vs. in months past.
That might stem from a lack of a factual understanding of my actions over the past 5 months concerning preventing COVID-19 in my family. 3 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
@corinasue1143 I get what you are saying and agree we have learned more than a little along the way. While isolation is the best think to keep from getting the virus we also have learned ways of lowering the risks of getting and dying from COVID-19.
https://henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
https://uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/vitamin-d-deficiency-may-raise-risk-of-getting-covid19
https://cnet.com/news/living-with-masks-for-years-covid-19-through-the-eyes-of-a-pandemic-expert/0 -
Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.20
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Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
The family members can cause a lot of stress in these matters I find as well. The COVID-19 warnings are becoming like the Don't Smoke warnings. I am going to do what I want when I want to do it seems to be in vogue today. Protecting my wife from COVID-19 has changed my old mule ways somewhat.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers.
Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time.
I don't disagree that dealing with the pandemic is crucially important, but I'm not sure why it has -- in your view -- only become so now, vs. in months past.
That might stem from a lack of a factual understanding of my actions over the past 5 months concerning preventing COVID-19 in my family.
No, it stemmed from your own writing. Specifically:
(1) "Nick Cordero's story should be a wake up call in the USA especially in light of the above article."
Yet there have been stories about younger people getting COVID very badly and even dying from it since the beginning.
(2) "It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers."
We were maxing out on those things from the beginning. Did it not matter when it didn't affect certain states all that much yet? We actually have far more tests and are doing far more tests now than before, and had we only been able to test more at the beginning we likely would have been able to do things like contact trace more effectively before it was totally out of control (which happened months ago).
(3) "Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time."
Again, how was this--specifically, that we should not wait two more months before meaningfully addressing the coronavirus epidemic--not true before now? (I don't think we were "waiting" but assuming you think we aren't doing enough even now re the testing and so on mentioned above.)4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Stuff I can’t get that I need: chickpeas. Seriously, is there some deal with chickpeas? No one locally has had any in stock for months now.
SAME HERE!! (Sorry to be out of sequence. I'm just catching up on the thread)
Dry and canned! for months!1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Stuff I can’t get that I need: chickpeas. Seriously, is there some deal with chickpeas? No one locally has had any in stock for months now.
SAME HERE!! (Sorry to be out of sequence. I'm just catching up on the thread)
Dry and canned! for months!
Lol.
I just got a coupon for free hummus at my regular grocer.
There may be a delivery issue. Sabra seems to have cornered the chickpeas if they're giving it away.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers.
Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time.
I don't disagree that dealing with the pandemic is crucially important, but I'm not sure why it has -- in your view -- only become so now, vs. in months past.
That might stem from a lack of a factual understanding of my actions over the past 5 months concerning preventing COVID-19 in my family.
No, it stemmed from your own writing. Specifically:
(1) "Nick Cordero's story should be a wake up call in the USA especially in light of the above article."
Yet there have been stories about younger people getting COVID very badly and even dying from it since the beginning.
(2) "It is hard to understand why we have maxed out being even able to test for COVID-19 or free ICU beds just as we see the 2020 Pandemic impact the southern states coast to coast for the first time in these numbers."
We were maxing out on those things from the beginning. Did it not matter when it didn't affect certain states all that much yet? We actually have far more tests and are doing far more tests now than before, and had we only been able to test more at the beginning we likely would have been able to do things like contact trace more effectively before it was totally out of control (which happened months ago).
(3) "Yes the USA has many wrongs that need to be righted but if we put them in front of meaningful addressing our COVID-19 runaway pandemic for two more months we are going to double wrong many people in the USA perhaps for the last time."
Again, how was this--specifically, that we should not wait two more months before meaningfully addressing the coronavirus epidemic--not true before now? (I don't think we were "waiting" but assuming you think we aren't doing enough even now re the testing and so on mentioned above.)
Early projections were for as many as 2 million people world wide to die from COVID-19. I just do no get the shortage 6 months later of PPP and testing capacity. Ignoring COVID-19 only makes it worse.2 -
We have some dear friends that we met when we moved into our new home last year. They are delightful. Both, though, are 75 years old while I'm 55 and my wife is 59. They feared to go to Dallas to be with their kids because all of them are in and out of the house so much, mostly due to work. They know my wife and I work from home, are extremely cautious every time we go out and socially distance.
We went over and had a nice grill out there with just us and them. They have a spectacular mountain view on our street (now that the mountain finally isn't burning!). We actually feel kind of honored a bit that this couple choses to invite us over when they haven't even seen their own kids, which is very sad. They also won't socialize with a lot of their long time friends. This couple works out religiously and eats well, so for 75, they are in fantastic health.
It was a nice way to spend the 4th weekend. But it's also sad for them as well. So much of what they love, they can't enjoy right now. I still have (hopefully) 25 or 30 more years. It just makes me more empathetic toward the older population, especially seeing all the selfish ones out with no masks.
We also have friends with elderly parents in way worse health than this couple whose parents refuse to change. And you just know that won't end well, sadly.
AZ keeps blowing up but I suspected this all along. This IS our flu season. It's hot and no one is outside from 12 to 8 PM (unless you're in a pool with sunscreen!). It was 80 at 5 AM this morning. No rain in the forecast for the next 10 days. Starting the 3rd week of July, we usually get rain. After that, it will cool dramatically and quickly. When everyone else is locked inside in the North in late Fall and Winter, we will be able to enjoy the outdoor patios and cafes without the oppressive heat.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
Given that so many of the deaths have been in nursing homes (70% in PA), and so many of the new cases are among the young, it makes sense that the death rate would be less now than it was earlier. The old have a lot of other health issues that make getting Covid more likely to be a death sentence. The younger may have long term health issues, but are a lot less likely to die. Also, as testing becomes more widespread, they are seeing a lot more cases that aren't severe, unlike the early days where you had to be really sick before you could get a test.4 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Ran into a friend I hadn't seen for a couple months at the store. He said he was one month out from a heart attack and a stent put in. He said he was going to cardiac rehab. Asked me if I had been in out gym yet, he was planning on going back (I assume with his doctor's okay) and doing some spin classes.
It's tough to decided what is okay/an acceptable risk in this environment.
He’s so lucky he got into a hospital and got it taken care of. Wish him the best. Around here he may not have been admitted to a hospital.
For sure, we're in Central IL so not a real hotbed at this point.0 -
https://cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html
This does not sound positive countries like Sweden or perhaps vaccination solutions in general but that is not exactly new news.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html
This does not sound positive countries like Sweden or perhaps vaccination solutions in general but that is not exactly new news.
@GaleHawkins
It has been know for a while that people that recuperated from COVID-19 didn't have a considerable amount of antibodies, and if they did they were probably immune for 2 or 3 months only. Si far the same doesn't apply to vaccination because we don't have enough data about it.
What is written in the paragraph below should teach a lesson to those saying that the best thing to do is to catch the virus to achieve herd immunity (if they survive). But we know that narrow minded people don't think straight.
"In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable,"10 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »We have some dear friends that we met when we moved into our new home last year. They are delightful. Both, though, are 75 years old while I'm 55 and my wife is 59. They feared to go to Dallas to be with their kids because all of them are in and out of the house so much, mostly due to work. They know my wife and I work from home, are extremely cautious every time we go out and socially distance.
We went over and had a nice grill out there with just us and them. They have a spectacular mountain view on our street (now that the mountain finally isn't burning!). We actually feel kind of honored a bit that this couple choses to invite us over when they haven't even seen their own kids, which is very sad. They also won't socialize with a lot of their long time friends. This couple works out religiously and eats well, so for 75, they are in fantastic health.
It was a nice way to spend the 4th weekend. But it's also sad for them as well. So much of what they love, they can't enjoy right now. I still have (hopefully) 25 or 30 more years. It just makes me more empathetic toward the older population, especially seeing all the selfish ones out with no masks.
We also have friends with elderly parents in way worse health than this couple whose parents refuse to change. And you just know that won't end well, sadly.
AZ keeps blowing up but I suspected this all along. This IS our flu season. It's hot and no one is outside from 12 to 8 PM (unless you're in a pool with sunscreen!). It was 80 at 5 AM this morning. No rain in the forecast for the next 10 days. Starting the 3rd week of July, we usually get rain. After that, it will cool dramatically and quickly. When everyone else is locked inside in the North in late Fall and Winter, we will be able to enjoy the outdoor patios and cafes without the oppressive heat.
Speaking from the experience of being in your neighbors' demographics and also having the experience of not seeing the kids and grandkids, your friendship is helping them through this 8 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Ran into a friend I hadn't seen for a couple months at the store. He said he was one month out from a heart attack and a stent put in. He said he was going to cardiac rehab. Asked me if I had been in out gym yet, he was planning on going back (I assume with his doctor's okay) and doing some spin classes.
It's tough to decided what is okay/an acceptable risk in this environment.
He’s so lucky he got into a hospital and got it taken care of. Wish him the best. Around here he may not have been admitted to a hospital.
Yes, this is a thing I don't understand: areas (including mine) where bans on "elective" medical procedures seem to extend to pretty much every non-covid issue unless you're going to die in the next couple of hours, e.g., you're bleeding out from an injury. Cancer treatments have been suspended for months. I know the medical system is overwhelmed, and PPE is limited, but people are going to be just as dead if they die from cancer or slowly clogging arteries as they are if they die from covid. I dunno. I suppose smart people with access to better data than I have decided this was the way to maximize the resources, but it feels an awful lot like people are being told, "sorry, you're not dying of the 'right' thing, so we can't help you right now."
I'm so glad that two of my older siblings had their big medical issues last year rather than this year.
And now they realize from looking at death statistics that people were delaying going to the hospital when they should have for heart attacks and strokes, for example, so they're trying to get the word out that you should definitely still go to the hospital or call for an ambulance.
It's a pretty horrific time.10 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.2 -
Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.9
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