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Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.
I agree. Weddings and funerals rank fairly high on the risk continuum, unfortunately.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
I saw the City of Chicago has such a rule, not the rest of the state though, unless it just came out today (a search doesn't pull it up though). Was thinking of visiting our son in TX and just staying around his house. He and his girlfriend have been taking this pretty seriously.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
Yeah, that's what I've been assuming. Car travel between states is just so easy and common.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
I saw the City of Chicago has such a rule, not the rest of the state though, unless it just came out today (a search doesn't pull it up though). Was thinking of visiting our son in TX and just staying around his house. He and his girlfriend have been taking this pretty seriously.
You are correct, my mistake. Sometimes us Chicagoans forget that there is a "rest of the state" outside of the city.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.
Agree 1,000%. I also noticed many new cases here in TN are younger people.3 -
I live in Dane County, WI, which will begin a mandatory mask order next Monday. I'm a little disappointed in the delay to get it started, and am just guessing it is to give people time to get masks. They are widely available in stores, it seems, but then I don't know what the demand will look like. We had made good progress during the shutdown, but like other places, reopening has been ridiculous. Dane had an order in place after the state Supreme Court struck down the state-wide order that was to go to May 26; bars reopened "immediately" on May 24 or there about. I didn't pay much attention to what the County order was b/c I wasn't going to pretend the risk was over, anyway, but I know bars here were open and students started coming back to Madison. So I'm glad to see this tightening up. Our increase is primarily among 20-29 year olds, although I suspect we will start to see more infections in other age groups b/c these young folks will have carried it around before they became symptomatic.
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My husband is 80 and diabetic. He won't stay home. At first he would wait in the car when I bought groceries, but that didn't last. Home is boring, especially when there's no hope of going anywhere interesting in the near future. The only reason he wears a mask is because I insist. They are mandated, but the governor's order isn't enforced at a lot of businesses. When the family invited us down to Maryland for a 4th of July barbecue, I said no because I know that several family members are not isolated and I think the risk is too high. But given the way the virus is spreading, I don't know how long we'll be safe, especially when DH doesn't believe it is that much of a risk to be out and about.21
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This is for @AnnPT77 - it's different masks with the mannequin coughing, shows effective fabric/fit, etc.
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/laser-study-of-face-masks-shows-which-ones-work-best-as-states-counties-face-mandate-covid-19-coronavirus-aerosols-tennessee
there's a 4 minute video that's pretty instructive.2 -
Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...0
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
I don't think so. If he did, I missed it. Thanks for it - helpful!0 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this.
I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children? 8 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this. I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children?
Yep and it's not just the children.
My wife is in education and close to retirement. We are healthy and at low risk for complications of the virus. However several of her friends because of their risk issues or those in the same household have told her they aren't going back to an in-person classroom under the current situation. I've read that 20-25% of teachers nationwide say they will not go back. Add to this the fact that many substitute teachers are retired individuals who won't go to work in a school now for $100 or so a day. Many school bus drivers are also retired individuals. Transit workers have had some of the highest death rates from this. The drivers and other low paid support staff (cooks, janitorial staff, etc.) will be thinking twice about going into a school environment and many will opt out due to the risk/reward factor.
Also, it will be difficult to get normally functioning younger students to comply to the "new normal" of masks, hand sanitizers eating at their desks, limits on free time activities, etc, let alone special needs kids of any age.
It's a mess.
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RE: Schools reopening:
In VA, we've been talking about reopening schools, but their requirements are, to be frank, ridiculous and impossible. They've set standards for 6 feet between children, or at least three feet with masks. Staggering seats on the bus and sitting 1 person to a seat.
Do they have any concept of what these requirements would look like, logistically? They'd have to have so many more school busses, to keep kids in school on time. Not to mention a ton of extra space in the schools themselves, with a nonexistent budget for any of it.
Either they're putting these requirements out with the knowledge that they're not going to be able to be enforced, to wash their hands of the fact that they won't be enforced, or they'll make the smart decision and not open schools, citing these requirements.
SMH.
ETA: I suppose they could stagger kids going to school, like a 1 or 2 day a week model, much reduced number of kids that way.5 -
I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...2 -
moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
No, I had not noticed this one.0
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