Coronavirus prep
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Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...0
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
I don't think so. If he did, I missed it. Thanks for it - helpful!0 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this.
I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children? 8 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this. I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children?
Yep and it's not just the children.
My wife is in education and close to retirement. We are healthy and at low risk for complications of the virus. However several of her friends because of their risk issues or those in the same household have told her they aren't going back to an in-person classroom under the current situation. I've read that 20-25% of teachers nationwide say they will not go back. Add to this the fact that many substitute teachers are retired individuals who won't go to work in a school now for $100 or so a day. Many school bus drivers are also retired individuals. Transit workers have had some of the highest death rates from this. The drivers and other low paid support staff (cooks, janitorial staff, etc.) will be thinking twice about going into a school environment and many will opt out due to the risk/reward factor.
Also, it will be difficult to get normally functioning younger students to comply to the "new normal" of masks, hand sanitizers eating at their desks, limits on free time activities, etc, let alone special needs kids of any age.
It's a mess.
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RE: Schools reopening:
In VA, we've been talking about reopening schools, but their requirements are, to be frank, ridiculous and impossible. They've set standards for 6 feet between children, or at least three feet with masks. Staggering seats on the bus and sitting 1 person to a seat.
Do they have any concept of what these requirements would look like, logistically? They'd have to have so many more school busses, to keep kids in school on time. Not to mention a ton of extra space in the schools themselves, with a nonexistent budget for any of it.
Either they're putting these requirements out with the knowledge that they're not going to be able to be enforced, to wash their hands of the fact that they won't be enforced, or they'll make the smart decision and not open schools, citing these requirements.
SMH.
ETA: I suppose they could stagger kids going to school, like a 1 or 2 day a week model, much reduced number of kids that way.5 -
I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...2 -
moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »Did T1D already post that? The video is from his area and I know he's all over the stories...
No, I had not noticed this one.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.
Yep, this one is pretty simple.
For the actual "no shop lists," I am not sure if any stores have facial recognition software in their security systems. But even when they don't, I know that security often reviews photos regularly enoigh that people are often noticed. Not sure how that works for Wal-Mart with multiple locations and huge amounts of people. Maybe they look at just photos from that store or region? I do know that I've heard of people getting arrested (for trespassing) when returning after being told they were banned.
It has been a few years, but similar thing with casinos. Back when I was in Iowa, I know of at least one casino that interfaced their systems with the county sheriff to identify based on membership cards. So even if they let yoi through at the door (you look old enough and they didn't scan your ID), if you sit down at a slot machine and put your card in, they know you are there. And if you have any warrants, it doesn't take long for the cops to show up. This is in addition to that even if you don't have warrants, anyone banned by the casino seems to be caught often. I had a friend whose wife got talked into putting herself on the banned list voluntarily at one casino (this is usually for people who are trying to overcome addiction). Without fail, she was noticed every single time she tried. After getting arrested 3 times, she gave up with that casino.6 -
I have 3 kids in elementary school and our school district (Kansas) is making a decision by the end of next week. My thoughts, if any district moves to virtual learning then the government needs to put another act in place to cover those parents to work from home or take off with some sort of pay. Right now, the FFCRA only covers up to 12 weeks off with 2/3 pay until the end of 2020. And not all employers are required to comply with the FFCRA.4
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CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »RE: Schools reopening:
In VA, we've been talking about reopening schools, but their requirements are, to be frank, ridiculous and impossible. They've set standards for 6 feet between children, or at least three feet with masks. Staggering seats on the bus and sitting 1 person to a seat.
Do they have any concept of what these requirements would look like, logistically? They'd have to have so many more school busses, to keep kids in school on time. Not to mention a ton of extra space in the schools themselves, with a nonexistent budget for any of it.
Either they're putting these requirements out with the knowledge that they're not going to be able to be enforced, to wash their hands of the fact that they won't be enforced, or they'll make the smart decision and not open schools, citing these requirements.
SMH.
ETA: I suppose they could stagger kids going to school, like a 1 or 2 day a week model, much reduced number of kids that way.
The bolded increases the spacing between kids and staff, but still brings the staff into contact with the same number of kids each week.3 -
Is anyone else afraid about the possibility of schools reopening??
All my kids are way over that age but my dh works at a private high school and they usually have about 150-200 dorm students each year, from everywhere. I know it's still about 6 weeks away from now but Honestly, I don't foresee a better environment anytime soon. I just think of all the little kids and worried parents who will have to deal with this. I know the world is aching to get back to 'normal' but at the price of subjecting the children?
I have to say that I am hoping and praying my kids go back to school in a few weeks. They attend a private high school, that while they did the absolute best they could in the circumstances, that did not provide the high level of education that I have come to expect. They are set up for some online learning but not a fully online program. I can understand that some teachers might be reluctant, but many kids need that inperson attention and they can't get that through a screen. I know my kids each struggled in a couple classes because they just weren't able to learn the subject online (math for one, latin for another). They aren't/can't repeat these years and they need this education to move forward. How will we ever catch up the kids that don't have involved parents or parents that don't have the time to help their kids? We are failing the kids if we insist on online only.
Plus what about the kids who rely on the school for breakfast/lunch? For catching cases of abuse or neglect? Or just the fact that they are kids and NEED that social interaction. I'm not sure what the answer really is, but I don't think it's keeping the kids at home for another semester or year.4 -
Here in PA, when they went to online school about 1/3 of the kids in some districts never logged in. If they don't have a parent to push them to follow the lectures and do the work, they just fall farther and farther behind.4
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Not all kids have access to computers or if they were lent/given one, would they necessarily have the conectivity to be part of the on line class. Not everyone can afford or even considers computers etc essential. Online learning is an answer nor necessarily a one size fits all.
If a teacher is to teach using one of the available platforms probably they could do with some support in how to connect with a bank of faces looking back at them, its so very different to teaching in a class room.5 -
Honestly, I don't know how working parents are going to cope over the next year - it was hard for my kids this spring but at least they were also all teachers and teaching from home, although running after the 4 year old was a huge challenge when both parents were scheduled to teach at the same time. I just can't see a workable solution for working parents who are likely to be called back on-site if the kids are out, or in some kind of staggered, one-week-in, one-week-out system. Incomes, habits, housing options, etc are all going to be up-ended, and we grandparents are not necessarily going to be able to step in to assist due to risk factors (and the fact that our kids would never forgive themselves if we got sick taking care of their kids). Big social upheaval in progress here in the US of A.8
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School year will be challenging. The teachers union will want to protect the teachers. The parents want their kids back in school (or most of them do). Budgets are shot -- and that's being kind. School's will, like most state governments, be nearly bankrupt after this is all said and done. So bankrupt school districts trying to implement very expensive changes. That's a recipe for disaster.
Not to mention that kids won't social distance or comply with masks. Early on in the pandemic, I was at a Walmart. A few kids had obviously found their school friends and were running around all over. They had masks but every single time they wanted to talk, they pulled down the mask and got up in the face of their friend. Controlling Covid-19 in a school will be impossible.
New things being found in kids affected by Covid-19 every day. Interesting and challenging times for sure.8 -
gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.
Regarding private schools, IMO if the parents chose to send their kids they should continue to support the school through tuition even if remote learning if they want the school to be there when this is over. If not they should send them to public school.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »ExistingFish wrote: »Where I live, we have a Sheriff, a Deputy, and one Patrol Officer. I don't think having them running around mandating masks is a good use of their time.
You are really letting your anxiety run away with you.
Just like there is not a Deputy at every stop sign, there is not going to be a mass LEO response to a teenager at the Rite Aid not wearing a mask.
The "enforcement" as it is will fall to retailers and businesses to not serve those who are not wearing a mask. Just like dogs aren't allowed in stores, but people bring their dogs in anyway. Smoking isn't allowed at the zoo, but people smoke anyway. I don't blame stores and businesses for not being able to control this any more than they can control someone walking out with a $40 steak.
Be realistic here. C'mon.
There is a lot to be said for Social Pressure. The more people who wear masks, the more people will be self-conscious about not wearing them. Not everyone - because sociopathy and psychopathy - but we'll have to live with that or move to a tent in the woods.
You're right about social pressure. I wear a mask to go inside the bank during business hours, but never to go to the ATM inside the entrance on evenings when the bank is closed. Yesterday evening I went with no mask, and six other customers were there - ALL wearing masks except me. I felt really stupid!!
Of course we were all safe, because their masks protected them from me, and I was completely protected from them, as their mouths and noses were covered. I probably won't do that again.9 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.
Regarding private schools, IMO if the parents chose to send their kids they should continue to support the school through tuition even if remote learning if they want the school to be there when this is over. If not they should send them to public school.
Maybe they should but paying 30 grand for the 20-21 school year for me means the kids should be on campus. The level of education that they get online is not comparable and that is a ton of money for them to sit in their bedroom and get a lesser education (though still better than the local public school probably).1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.
Yep, this one is pretty simple.
For the actual "no shop lists," I am not sure if any stores have facial recognition software in their security systems. But even when they don't, I know that security often reviews photos regularly enoigh that people are often noticed. Not sure how that works for Wal-Mart with multiple locations and huge amounts of people. Maybe they look at just photos from that store or region? I do know that I've heard of people getting arrested (for trespassing) when returning after being told they were banned.
It has been a few years, but similar thing with casinos. Back when I was in Iowa, I know of at least one casino that interfaced their systems with the county sheriff to identify based on membership cards. So even if they let yoi through at the door (you look old enough and they didn't scan your ID), if you sit down at a slot machine and put your card in, they know you are there. And if you have any warrants, it doesn't take long for the cops to show up. This is in addition to that even if you don't have warrants, anyone banned by the casino seems to be caught often. I had a friend whose wife got talked into putting herself on the banned list voluntarily at one casino (this is usually for people who are trying to overcome addiction). Without fail, she was noticed every single time she tried. After getting arrested 3 times, she gave up with that casino.
I'm finding it surprising that people have acted as if "no-shop lists" from stores are a new thing, when they've been around in one form or another for decades. As I haven't ever worked in retail, I'm appreciating your insights about how it works in practice: Interesting.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.
Regarding private schools, IMO if the parents chose to send their kids they should continue to support the school through tuition even if remote learning if they want the school to be there when this is over. If not they should send them to public school.
Maybe they should but paying 30 grand for the 20-21 school year for me means the kids should be on campus. The level of education that they get online is not comparable and that is a ton of money for them to sit in their bedroom and get a lesser education (though still better than the local public school probably).
Then the parents should just pull them and homeschool or send to public school. They apparently thought the school was better, if they don't support it, it will be gone post-virus.
Should people be giving less to their places of worship because an on-line experience isn't as good as live?5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.
Regarding private schools, IMO if the parents chose to send their kids they should continue to support the school through tuition even if remote learning if they want the school to be there when this is over. If not they should send them to public school.
Maybe they should but paying 30 grand for the 20-21 school year for me means the kids should be on campus. The level of education that they get online is not comparable and that is a ton of money for them to sit in their bedroom and get a lesser education (though still better than the local public school probably).
Then the parents should just pull them and homeschool or send to public school. They apparently thought the school was better, if they don't support it, it will be gone post-virus.
Should people be giving less to their places of worship because an on-line experience isn't as good as live?
I think there's a large difference between a school and a place of worship.
Taking away the social aspects of a physical school-sports, extracurriculars, band, choir, things that just don't translate well to an online environment which is a large part of why people send their kids yo a private school plus the fact that many kids can't learn as easily online makes me think schools should open. Sure if you want to keep your kid home and still pay thats great but the rest of us should get what we are paying for.
Plus you sign contracts in the spring for the next school year so its not always an option to change at this point.2 -
This is a perspective to share with younger folks who may be feeling that a Covid infection is minor, for someone young and healthy. It's from a young woman I know, a US national team rower - literally in the top handful of women in the world in her sport, a multi-gold-medalist at World Championships, and a gold medalist in the Rio Olympics. It describes her Covid experience.
https://www.facebook.com/emily.regan3/posts/10117636727428674
(With apologies, it's on Facebook, but it's public and does appear to be viewable in a browser without a Facebook account - you may have to click "not now" when asked to sign up/in).
Some key quotes (not willing to cut/paste the whole, since it's public.)Friday April 3rd was a completely different story. I slept over 12 hours that night and when I woke up it was painful to breathe and my entire body ached like I had done something really wrong while I was practicing the day before. That day my fever ranged from about 100.4-101.7. I couldn't walk up a flight of stairs without needing to sit down and take a nap. Not only did I sleep for 12 hours that night, but I also took a 3 hour nap. I was too weak to make myself food that entire day until I forced myself to make pancakes that night because I knew I had to eat something.When I first started trying to work out again I tried doing a 30 minute jog. My heart rate was really high and I felt like I was running through water. The jog was meant to be light and a small attempt to get my body moving again, but it was so difficult I had to stop after 20 minutes. I am used to doing workouts that range from 80-120 minutes. I don't give up easily and I was just near my peak closing in on final selection for the Olympics. Now I couldn't even jog/walk for 30 minutes.While it only 🙄 took me a month to feel like I was in my own body again, I have teammates who were dealing with complications from COVID for over 2 months.
So if you don't think the virus is that big of a deal because you are young, healthy, or fit, please consider my story. My guess is that my teammates and I are at a minimum healthier and fitter than most of you and it knocked many of us down hard. I have personally never experienced any other illness like this. I have never been knocked off of my feet for an entire month before.
This is clearly not someone who's a frail flower, weak, wimpy, whiny, low pain threshold, or anything like that. Strong, healthy, clean-living, focused on her sport, mega-tough.16 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?
A no-shop list doesn't have to be based on discrimination. It could be based on qualification. You're disqualified at the door if you don't meet the requirements. No database needed for that. No mask - no entry.
Yep, this one is pretty simple.
For the actual "no shop lists," I am not sure if any stores have facial recognition software in their security systems. But even when they don't, I know that security often reviews photos regularly enoigh that people are often noticed. Not sure how that works for Wal-Mart with multiple locations and huge amounts of people. Maybe they look at just photos from that store or region? I do know that I've heard of people getting arrested (for trespassing) when returning after being told they were banned.
It has been a few years, but similar thing with casinos. Back when I was in Iowa, I know of at least one casino that interfaced their systems with the county sheriff to identify based on membership cards. So even if they let yoi through at the door (you look old enough and they didn't scan your ID), if you sit down at a slot machine and put your card in, they know you are there. And if you have any warrants, it doesn't take long for the cops to show up. This is in addition to that even if you don't have warrants, anyone banned by the casino seems to be caught often. I had a friend whose wife got talked into putting herself on the banned list voluntarily at one casino (this is usually for people who are trying to overcome addiction). Without fail, she was noticed every single time she tried. After getting arrested 3 times, she gave up with that casino.
I'm finding it surprising that people have acted as if "no-shop lists" from stores are a new thing, when they've been around in one form or another for decades. As I haven't ever worked in retail, I'm appreciating your insights about how it works in practice: Interesting.
I just worked in retail for a big box store a very long time ago. So nothing I know first-hand is current. This was from 2004-2007. Then, I know for a fact that they didn't have facial recognition software, but the security people reviewed photos and recognized faces. Now, I bet they have some better software. But even then, they had cameras everywhere. They also had fake shoppers at that time, probably still do. These are people who act like fellow customers, walk around "shopping," and observe / identify shoplifters. If that person notices something, no need for them to follow and be identified because there are cameras everywhere.5 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »I just went to 7-11 to get tea. Only me, one clerk at the cash register with mask on, one clerk with no mask, no gloves, wiping counters beside the tea, in the store.
The clerk wiping counters was talking on her phone. She said something like, “I don’t have a temperature and I don’t feel sick at all. And I’m not around her much at all. I was over there for a while yesterday.”
That’s all I heard as I was backing away from her and getting the h—- out of there.
At 7-11.
How many customers during her shift?
This is crazy. She was exposed and chose to be at work as usual. Most likely an hourly rate job with no pay if they're no hours on the clock. So she'll definitely not tell her boss she needs to stay home voluntarily for a little while.3 -
moonangel12 wrote: »we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
For food, at least, I know Chicago schools have been providing it throughout the time schools have been shut down (they normally do in summers too) -- breakfast and lunch, for pick-up, for 3 days at a time.
It's certainly tough on parents who rely on schools for part of their child care.5 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »Here in PA, when they went to online school about 1/3 of the kids in some districts never logged in. If they don't have a parent to push them to follow the lectures and do the work, they just fall farther and farther behind.
Yeah, this is a big problem across the country, I think.1 -
gradchica27 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have heard a bunch of ideas being tossed around for school reopening - all virtual, part time (in class 2-3 days a week), alternating weeks, can’t remember some of the others.
we homeschool so it’s not a huge deal to us what they decide, but my heart breaks for the students that need the school system - for food, support, and even safety. I know there are many out there with horrendous home lives and it crushes me to think about what they are going through...
We homeschool as well, so I have no dog in this fight, but all the staggered/alternating schedule proposals seem a Logistical nightmare for working parents, teachers themselves (esp those with school age children!), and parents with multiple children in multiple schools. Yet going back as normal doesn’t seem feasible or prudent.
I can’t see how many private schools will stay afloat either—I could not justify paying full tuition for virtual classes or half the in person classes, especially for elementary students.
I already know 5 families personally who have already decided they are homeschooling this year bc of all this, leaving both private and public schools, and at least one more waiting on the final call from school system about policies to decide. The local ps here has said that special needs students who receive services/therapies at school will be going back, at least part time.
Home schooling is not an option for most parents for many reasons. Taking a bread winner out of the work place can be expensive and the home schooling mental/emotional toll can be huge. We are told millions of homes will be going into foreclosure and even vehicles. Kids often suffers the most when society starts collapsing for any reason and we are being told by Bill Gates and others that pandemic after pandemic can be expected every 10-20 years going forward.
UK has 13 colleges in danger of failing due to locking their doors was in the news the other day. Many restaurants are closing because of social distancing rules. Millions world wide are unemployed and many have no company left to return to some day. Today's news that MFP is up for sale by UA is an in our face fact after paying nearly half a billion for it like 5 years ago that the go go years are taking leave for more and more kids and their families.
My hat is off to people who can do the homeschooling successful. We read how home schooled kids typically do better with the college experience thing. I expect you are correct about more families home schooling going forward since it has become more common for years in the areas where the public school systems have been at risk for years.
Coronavirus prep is turning into more than a toilet paper and food problem. It has wrecked retirement plans and the financial stability of many children already and is expected to impact generations going forward due to side effects appearing today.
The are no simple solutions and yes the toll on the kids is a hard thing to witness and wait for someone to become creative on behalf of the kids of the world.
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