Coronavirus prep
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rheddmobile wrote: »Stuff I can’t get that I need: chickpeas. Seriously, is there some deal with chickpeas? No one locally has had any in stock for months now.
SAME HERE!! (Sorry to be out of sequence. I'm just catching up on the thread)
Dry and canned! for months!
My theory, posted previously in the thread, is that folks were using chickpea aquafaba as a replacement for eggs when there were no eggs to be had.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Hanibanani2020 wrote: »
I’ve mentioned a few times in this thread where I’m from already 😊. Horse-gate-bolted imho for borders closing.Hanibanani2020 wrote: »Borders close again tomorrow. Thankfully but hopefully not too late.
You probably should mention which boarders since people from all over the world are on here and won't know or remember perhaps where you are. New South Wales are closing boarders to Victoria in Australia
Good it is for sure for the rest of the country. Not sure how safe it is to open up all other than Vic. to each other yet like NSW premier mentioned. Hope they take it slow and see what is the best way forward, too soon right now but maybe a few weeks we'll know better.
So a few times in 300+ pages, not real helpful IMO.
Oh well2 -
Don't get offended hanibanani.
MFP is a large international forum with a huge number of members.
I remember where a few fellow australians I have interacted with live -I remember where you live and that mockchoc lives in northern Qld and slimjo lives in Vic or NSW, cant remember which.
Other than that I know the countries of a few regular posters - but couldn't remember which state or part of the country they were from - if I even knew which states of their country there are.
Most posters from other countries probably aren't all that familiar with australian states anyway - which is why I sometimes spell out things that would be obvious to us - for example that southern states and south australia are not the same thing.12 -
paperpudding wrote: »Don't get offended hanibanani.
MFP is a large international forum with a huge number of members.
I remember where a few fellow australians I have interacted with live -I remember where you live and that mockchoc lives in northern Qld and slimjo lives in Vic or NSW, cant remember which.
Other than that I know the countries of a few regular posters - but couldn't remember which state or part of the country they were from - if I even knew which states of their country there are.
Most posters from other countries probably aren't all that familiar with australian states anyway - which is why I sometimes spell out things that would be obvious to us - for example that southern states and south australia are not the same thing.
NSW here.. 🙂0 -
I knew it was one of the two.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...12 -
paperpudding wrote: »Don't get offended hanibanani.
MFP is a large international forum with a huge number of members.
I remember where a few fellow australians I have interacted with live -I remember where you live and that mockchoc lives in northern Qld and slimjo lives in Vic or NSW, cant remember which.
Other than that I know the countries of a few regular posters - but couldn't remember which state or part of the country they were from - if I even knew which states of their country there are.
Most posters from other countries probably aren't all that familiar with australian states anyway - which is why I sometimes spell out things that would be obvious to us - for example that southern states and south australia are not the same thing.
Don’t worry. I’m unoffendable. People have tried and failed many times 😂.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now..
poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan. 1 -
So in Indiana, the governor did not move use to fully open on the 4th as planned. He did remove a handful of restrictions, but kept a bunch more. The mayor of Indianapolis (where I "work" though I am still work from home for an unknown amount of time) had mandated masks to be worn in public at all times. Indianapolis and the county it is in were the hardest hit with the first wave. So far we have not seen a huge increase like other states, but at least our government seems to be willing to take steps to try and keep those numbers down.
I had to go into the office yesterday for a bit. It was freaky. There were MAYBE a total of 10 people on our whole floor. It was empty. I was cleaning out my area and taking home everything that needed to be kept. They are totally redoing the offices and there is a high chance that work from home will become permanent for me, though it may be alternating days. No idea yet though. They have only brought back the 2 smallest groups into the office which are those people who simply can not do their jobs from home. I was supposed to already be back, but the group before me has not even gone in. So it doesn't look good that it will happen any time soon.
My grandmother passed away on Friday (not Covid related). We are going to have a mass and funeral on the 21st. I was okay with it because it was supposed to be only the family here plus one other family member traveling but I know what precautions she has taken this whole time. Now there are other people who want to come from out of state too and I am NOT happy about it. I don't know these family members and I don't know how seriously they have taken things. I don't want to risk my well being and safety or that of the people I care about. So now I have anxiety over an event that is already causing my emotions to be all over the place.
I am just so done with 2020.23 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now.. poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan.
My sister lives in Melbourne and it’s a s***storm atm4 -
Hanibanani2020 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now.. poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan.
My sister lives in Melbourne and it’s a s***storm atm
Really sorry to hear that. Hope she's ok.0 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »Hanibanani2020 wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I knew it was one of the two.
Wouldn't want to be a Victorian right now.. poor buggers.. crap has really hit the fan.
My sister lives in Melbourne and it’s a s***storm atm
Really sorry to hear that. Hope she's ok.
She is OK just very stressed.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.
Yes - that was part of our conversation, that if he gets it, the likelihood of me contracting it is high. Our house is tiny (one bathroom) but spare bedroom is an option - when I came down with a cold last month I got tested (if I could catch a cold, I could catch corona) and slept in another room, wore a mask indoors, wiped down the bathroom surfaces and other common areas after I used them, washed before/during preparing meals etc. Two days of that was tiresome and I am glad the test came back negative (he went in the same day I did and got the same result). Just hoping that some sense kicks in between now and then ... which is when we will know whether the holiday activities pushed the infection rate higher.6 -
NM has halted any further lifting of restrictions. We have seen a small spike in our rate, but we're still below 5%...actually I think we're somewhere around 3.6% now. A lot of people want the governor to just open everything up to full go, but thankfully she's smarter than that and actually following the CDC guidance for opening.
Another reason she doesn't want to just open the flood gates is due to the fact that we are bordered by Texas and Arizona who have seen huge spikes in their infection rate, and with many of their hospitals at or near capacity, our hospitals are seeing some overflow from those states. Our ICU capacity in New Mexico isn't great and we only have a handful of hospitals who can do that.
Most things are open here with capacity restrictions. We've yet to go out to eat at a restaurant...still not comfortable with that, and I've also cancelled my big box gym membership...I don't think I'll be comfortable with that for a very long time and frankly I've always felt it was one big pitre dish anyway.
One major gripe with people is that state parks are open for day use only and no camping. All kinds of people complaining that they can't go camping...yet they can, just not in a state park. National Forest Service campgrounds make up the bulk of camping opportunities in the state, and there is an abundance of dispersed camping opportunities in our mountains...but people would rather just complain. If they want to camp, they can...I've been out camping pretty much every other weekend since early May. One of the primary issues with state parks is that a large number of their employees that staff the parks are seasonal and start hiring on in March...and that didn't happen. They simply don't have the staffing levels to be open for day use and camping 24/7.
Personally, I think our state parks kind of suck for getting away and going camping...they're always packed with both day users and campers and the sites are all very close together and people are just loud and disrespectful and trash the place thinking someone will just come along to pick up their garbage. I'd much prefer a NFS campground any day.8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately, I think it will tend to follow the pattern we were seeing in that big bar-related outbreak I've been reporting on, in my county in Michigan. I haven't looked lately, but last I knew, we were up to something like 180 cases from that one place.
Earlier, at 138 cases, it was 119 primary (went to the bar) and 19 secondary (got it from someone who went to the bar). The primary cases were all in the 18-28 age range. The secondaries were 16-63.
That's the pattern I expect - sadly- to see play out, with the tendency for some younger people to be more cavalier about exposure and precautions: Within a week or two, we'll see that they've given it to higher-risk people, directly or indirectly.
I think some family members (not to mention co-workers!) are unaware of other people's risky behaviors, and very few people are literally 100% isolating. If the grandkid comes over to clean the grandparent's gutters or mow the lawn, contact is possible/likely; or family gatherings happen where everyone swears they've been cautious (but the kids are keeping quiet about bar-hopping or partying). Or, the kid parties on Saturday, goes home to live with mom and dad who are in their 40s, but helping care for elders who live nearby, or have elders living with them.11 -
So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
OTheoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
One state was planning on using licence plate state info but that would be iffy. KY the last time I checked was not on the list band by any state but FL, TX and others are band so I could leave KY and spend a week on the beaches of FL than drive straight to NY I guess. Tracking this kind of info is easier to do in a place like China than in the USA. At the age of 69 I am starting to think elected officials tend top say anything that will grab them some media attention. 2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Do any of the stores around you offer curbside pickup? I never used it before, but now it's the only way I get groceries (other than pantry items shipped). I'm very cautious and still disinfect everything before bringing it inside, but haven't had any problems this way.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Do any of the stores around you offer curbside pickup? I never used it before, but now it's the only way I get groceries (other than pantry items shipped). I'm very cautious and still disinfect everything before bringing it inside, but haven't had any problems this way.
Kroger does, but I haven't tried it and have heard they don't always get it right anyway. But yes, maybe curbside pickup is the next best option when delivery isn't available.1 -
Some articles of interest. Although I admit that are not easy to read.
'Silent spreaders' may be responsible for half of Covid-19 cases, study finds https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/covid-19-silent-spreaders-wellness/index.html
I got Covid-19 two months ago. I'm still discovering new areas of damage -- Richard Quest
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html
The article below was written by an Eisenhower Med.Ct. doctor
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10220147983144511&id=10739650712 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Our WI county is in a "surge" now and spouse and I have basically been going out only for essential stuff since early March. But one of his ball playing friends (in the demographic hardest hit by infection, who has not been social distancing as far as I know) is getting married this month and wants him there ... indoor wedding at a tiny place with (he says) a dozen or so people there, also from "surge" communities. He says he's going, despite the fact that within the last 4 months he's had a mild stroke & a pacemaker implanted. I voiced my opinion fairly reasonably (I thought) and his response was, well you don't have to come along. He's a 73 year old mule.
Have you pointed out that even if you don't come along, he could still bring it home? I'd make up a spare bedroom for him and have him use a separate bathroom, if it were me.
I agree. Weddings and funerals rank fairly high on the risk continuum, unfortunately.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
I saw the City of Chicago has such a rule, not the rest of the state though, unless it just came out today (a search doesn't pull it up though). Was thinking of visiting our son in TX and just staying around his house. He and his girlfriend have been taking this pretty seriously.0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.6 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
Yeah, that's what I've been assuming. Car travel between states is just so easy and common.1 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »So I see NY and NJ are requiring people coming in from 19 states to self quarantine or face fines.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-and-new-jersey-expand-list-of-states-that-trigger-quarantine-orders-for-travelers/ar-BB16ruw6?ocid=ientp
Does anyone know how they possibly track this for automobile travel?
Illinois also now has this requirement...but there is no way to track or enforce it, so they are relying on the "honor system".
I saw the City of Chicago has such a rule, not the rest of the state though, unless it just came out today (a search doesn't pull it up though). Was thinking of visiting our son in TX and just staying around his house. He and his girlfriend have been taking this pretty seriously.
You are correct, my mistake. Sometimes us Chicagoans forget that there is a "rest of the state" outside of the city.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/06/cdc-after-10-week-decline-in-covid-19-deaths-it-may-soon-no-longer-be-an-epidemic/
I am starting to see why some may think this pandemic is going away based on headlines like the above.
Clearly death numbers lag the infection rate by 2+ weeks so while it may be factual COVID-19 death rates may be in decline but we know in the USA at least the infection rate is higher than ever in this 2020 Pandemic so we can expect death rates to soar instead of decline.
I hope not, Gale.
I want to think that we have also got better at treating it. I hope the death rate per active cases is better. Early on, we had no
Idea how to treat it. Hopefully we’ve learned a little along the way.
I'm also hoping that at an individual level, those most at risk of serious complications and death have learned to stay home as much as possible and stay away from those who won't wear masks around other people. The decreasing average age of new cases in Florida gives me hope that this might be the case -- that it's the people who still think it won't be a big deal for them who are engaging in behavior that increases their risk of catching the virus. If so, that should lower the percentage of serious cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per active cases.
Unfortunately not all of us can do that. I was seeing something elsewhere saying that those of usbat higher risk should have friends and family shop for us and stay home. Neat idea except I am now having to work on-site again and there isn't anyone that I can send to shop for me. I am trying to keep enough food on hand to last 2 weeks in case, but if I get sick and am stuck for longer than that, what can I do? Send my cat for groceries?! It's like people just assume everyone has a spouse or older kids or something...
Yup. And even if you have a spouse or adult children to shop for you, that just creates a transmission vector to bring the virus to you at home.
This idea that everyone at higher risk can stay home while the rest of the world goes about its business ignores both (1) that a sizeable percentage of the population, including the working population, has chronic conditions that put them at risk, and that (2) a sizeable percentage of the non-working at-risk population needs at least some assistance with basic daily activities, if not frequent health care.
The economy isn't going to roll on smoothly if the at-risk can't work because they would have to do so alongside people who think that they don't need to wear masks or avoid large gatherings. And providing care to those at-risk individuals who need it is going to continue to be problematic if those not-at-risk who are caring for them continue to participate in broader society without adequate social distancing and mask-wearing.
But I'm still hopeful, based on the reports of falling average ages of those infected, that relatively better risk-avoidance by older people compared to younger, despite all the variations in individual challenges to achieving risk reduction, could mean that that increased number of cases will be mitigated somewhat by better average prospects for a moderate case.
Agree 1,000%. I also noticed many new cases here in TN are younger people.3 -
I live in Dane County, WI, which will begin a mandatory mask order next Monday. I'm a little disappointed in the delay to get it started, and am just guessing it is to give people time to get masks. They are widely available in stores, it seems, but then I don't know what the demand will look like. We had made good progress during the shutdown, but like other places, reopening has been ridiculous. Dane had an order in place after the state Supreme Court struck down the state-wide order that was to go to May 26; bars reopened "immediately" on May 24 or there about. I didn't pay much attention to what the County order was b/c I wasn't going to pretend the risk was over, anyway, but I know bars here were open and students started coming back to Madison. So I'm glad to see this tightening up. Our increase is primarily among 20-29 year olds, although I suspect we will start to see more infections in other age groups b/c these young folks will have carried it around before they became symptomatic.
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My husband is 80 and diabetic. He won't stay home. At first he would wait in the car when I bought groceries, but that didn't last. Home is boring, especially when there's no hope of going anywhere interesting in the near future. The only reason he wears a mask is because I insist. They are mandated, but the governor's order isn't enforced at a lot of businesses. When the family invited us down to Maryland for a 4th of July barbecue, I said no because I know that several family members are not isolated and I think the risk is too high. But given the way the virus is spreading, I don't know how long we'll be safe, especially when DH doesn't believe it is that much of a risk to be out and about.21
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This is for @AnnPT77 - it's different masks with the mannequin coughing, shows effective fabric/fit, etc.
https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/laser-study-of-face-masks-shows-which-ones-work-best-as-states-counties-face-mandate-covid-19-coronavirus-aerosols-tennessee
there's a 4 minute video that's pretty instructive.2
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