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that's interesting - turn around here is only day, day and half at most.
If you get it done in the morning it is back by next day.
You are asked to self isolate until your results come back - something anyone can do for 1 or 2 days.
Regional South Australia.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1D - I know you think there is an easy fix for everything, but there really isn't.
Your experience with the testing is just one of many reasons I won't get tested unless I'm being admitted to hospital or I am reallllllllly sick.
What good does it do to test healthy appearing people who will go right back out that afternoon and have a possibility of getting infected just 20 minutes after they take a test? Healthy, asymptomatic people who have no reason to think they've been exposed getting tested seems like a huge waste of resources right now.
If you had tested Positive they would have told you in that 48 hour period - or sooner.
The lab result came in 48 hours, so I would hope to have known in 48.5 hours. I would have then come into contact with a lot fewer people over the following14 days. That is the benefit of testing even asymptomatic people regularly.
However, with as long as it took to actually get result and the way I was treated while waiting, I also probably won't get tested again unless I'm near death. It's unfortunate, but the logistical failure has led me to that conclusion rather than the merits of testing itself. If testing was done and results were communicated in a timely manner, I still believe it is beneficial to test everyone regularly. Hopefully they get their processes fixed soon.
But my point is that even if you got your results in (say 1-48.5 hours...it's not the timing...) AND you tested negative, you could still pick it up in 48.75 hours. No one is going to be getting tested every 48 hours. There aren't enough medical/lab personnel to process that many tests. The only solution to your continued plea would be self-administered 100% accurate tests that could be used at home and would give immediate results - like the at-home pregnancy test. I think that is a relatively good idea, but even if that were to be developed - how would you keep people home who tested positive? How would anyone track that? It would have to be a mail-back test so they could track you - but this virus isn't virulent enough for that kind of meticulous tracking.
I mean, you're wanting safety and I get that but life isn't safe - maybe you've noticed?
If we put aside issues of cost, I'm picturing each at-home test being an IoT device that would automatically link to the nearest open Wi-Fi network and report your results automatically. And if you want to toss civil liberties out the door, there could be a mandate that you be tested, and they would have your DNA on file to be sure that the person who was being tested was you, and if you failed to submit a test at the required intervals, they would send a "medical team" out to bring you and be tested in quarantine. For your own good, of course. To be sure they could find you, they could put subdermal cellular transmitters in everybody.
Some of that I pretty much lifted from Sylvia Engdahl's Stewards of the Flame, if you're looking for some medical dystopian fiction to read during the pandemic. I also recommend Geraldine Brooks's Year of Wonders, which is fiction but is based on an actual village in England that voluntarily self-quarantined when the plague struck in the 1770s, so as not to spread it to surrounding towns. I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but if anyone has read it, do you feel as I do that the epilogue could be expanded into a fascinating novel of its own?
Edited to bold the specific portion of the quoted text I was commenting on.
Along the same lines, a book I may have mentioned early in the thread is Doomsday Book, by Connie Willis. It's part of a series of time-travel novels set at Oxford in the future (mid 21st C). The time-travel plot is someone who makes the first trip back to the middle ages, and ends up in a slightly different time than planned (you can guess what's going on there, probably, but I won't spoil it). What I had forgotten, until I reread during the beginning of our stay at home order, was that in the world of the book there was a pandemic (flu, but still) in the past (around now, in fact) which killed a bunch of people -- and disproportionately in the US, because people resisted quarantine and such. As a result of the past experience, the world has all these procedures for dealing strictly with a virus outbreak.
Re the Geraldine Brooks book, I felt like the epilogue came out of nowhere, but I did think at the time that she probably planned to write another book about that.1 -
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Re the Geraldine Brooks book, I felt like the epilogue came out of nowhere, but I did think at the time that she probably planned to write another book about that.
I have read Geraldine Brook's The Year of Wonders
Like her other books that I have read: March and Caleb's crossing, loosely based on real events/people.I recommend all of them.
Year of Wonders was really good But IMO let down by the unlikely and unrealistic ending.
#literarytangent.
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About masks:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367432
It is so sad. People just doing their job, protecting others from getting the disease, doing the right thing and getting beaten to death for it. Happens more and more these days.7 -
I'm a teacher--many years as a history teacher, and now 10 years as a special ed teacher. I'm so glad someone already posted the update from the American Academy of Pediatricians and the NEA. The data from Europe and elsewhere is conclusive--reopening schools should only be attempted where community spread is already under control, and even that won't be perfect. Data from summer camps in the USA shows what happens when kids get together in communities where spread is not under control; it's not at all encouraging.
Having said that, I should say I'm not feeling particularly vulnerable and I would be willing to go back to a classroom. My concern is that the kids and families who most need school support are often the same ones most at risk--students from families without sufficient economic resources and whose adults have had little access to health care. I work with teens identified as having emotional-behavioral disabilities, in an off campus environment. I know how much worry these kids and their families bear on a daily, hourly basis. This pandemic is a nightmare for them on top of the everyday challenges they face. I want to support my kids.
School districts should be deciding for themselves whether or not they can risk reopening, based on their specific situation and needs. Not every community needs to stay closed to in-person learning.
What we REALLY need, as a nation, is a federally-directed program to provide the resources for "getting back to normal," and more specifically, federal take-over of factories to produce N95 masks and PPE generally, as well as increased production of essential cleaning products. I cannot believe this didn't happen day 1, b/c we knew of limits in the supply chains for medical professionals. The reality now is that everyone needs N95 type masks--it is the only way we can protect ourselves and others. This is a war and that's what happens in wars, but we don't need bombs and airplanes this time. We are well beyond developing the systems for contact tracing, etc., that are working well in other places. We need an entirely different approach.
As for schools reopening, I'd love to see some creative thinking. One idea would be sending teachers to their students and having them organized in the one-room schoolhouse model already mentioned. Most teachers would struggle at first with multiple age groups, but most teachers know how to work through those types of struggles. And we might have to make different arrangements for students needing higher level (11th and 12th grade curricula), b/c your average adult may find it hard to teach that content. Students at that level, however--who are actually ready for that curricula, are generally more able to learn more independently. Age bands of students are ridiculous for about 40-60% of kids, in my experience; we settle on Ds for passing but that means these students cannot move to the next level independently. Giving students the time they need to master curriculum at proficiency (like, able to demonstrate an 80% or above understanding) would help most students overcome the challenges our current system breeds, including dependent learners.
I truly believe that an 8-12 week shutdown (while factors convert and begin production), with a reopening based on N95 availability to everyone--and mask mandates--would allow us to get back on track almost immediately. The totally awful, sad part is that we are not going to do this--and if it had been done right away, we would be back to normal already.
Yes, I'm living in a fantasy world. But the only thing that truly separates my fantasy from reality is will--the will to make it happen. And if people refused to wear masks then, at least those of us who do would be safe from their selfishness. God have mercy on those who wouldn't, though.
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For fellow runners, there has been much discussion for a long time about the Chicago Marathon. This is the only big marathon (World Major) that is still planned this fall (Oct.) aside from MCM (not a world major, but big race which has changed rules and such so many have gone virtual, including myself). Most of us who are registered have an idea that this will not happen and are awaiting the announcement. A leading theory is that the race organization is waiting for the city to make the decision not to grant permits because then their insurance will cover some of the loss since it isn't the race organization's decision that led to cancellation. I know the Mayor said earlier this week that she had been in contact with the race organizers. I thought we might get the official announcement by now. Why can't they just do it so we can officially cancel our travel bookings and start planning accordingly?!
ETA: Details about MCM (Marine Corps Marathon).0 -
I can't imagine it will happen.
Looks like you can just go ahead and cancel: https://www.chicagomarathon.com/apply/entry-cancellation/0 -
Another issue that comes up is what to do about non-Covid patients that still need medical care. Long story ahead, but the tl;dr is that my grandma is going to a nursing home and there are no visitors allowed, so thinking of sending a tablet for video chat.
Longer story with some details that may be gross or triggering for some - details involving elderly and mobility:Longer story is that after my grandpa died a few months ago, my uncle had stayed with her for awhile and worked remotely. But he couldn't stay with her forever. He lives almost 1,800 miles away and had not been home for months already. He tried to get something setup before he left (early June) - either a nurse to come in and take care of her or an 'adult day care' that she could go to. She definitely couldn't take care of herself and has mobility issues, among other things. But when a nurse came to assess her, she just refused. She wasn't even willing to get a one of those necklaces with a button for emergencies. My other uncle lives across town, but can't legally drive (epilepsy) and couldn't exactly make it over there all the time. He does drive, but it's obviously risky both medically and legally (if he were caught). If he can't get a family member to give him a ride, he will drive on his own before getting a cab (no, I don't agree with his decision to do that, but I understand).
So anyway, the uncle that was staying with her went back home at the beginning of June. A couple weeks ago, he was trying to reach her on the phone and couldn't. So he called the uncle nearby and he went over. He found nothing wrong with the phone and was in and out pretty quickly (she was in the bathroom the whole time he was there). That was on a Sat. The next Tues., he went back because the other uncle still couldn't get her on the phone. Again, he found that the phones still worked. And again, she was in the bathroom. But he realized that she wasn't in the bathroom again... she was in the bathroom still. Apparently, she had not been able to get up from the toilet. This means she was on the toilet without food, water, or medicine (maybe she was able to reach the sink and get some water if she had a cup or even if she could use her hand to deliver water, I'm not sure) for at least 3 days and maybe even longer. She was dangerously dehydrated of course and in bad shape. Went to the hospital in an ambulance, left some skin on the toilet seat. It was a tough situation, and I'm surprised she survived at all considering how long she was there without life essentials.
It took awhile, but she is going to be released from the hospital and transferred to a nursing home on Monday. Part of why it took so long is because she can't just be released and sent back home after what happened. It took awhile to find a home that would accept her. Many care homes are not taking in new residents at this time.
I've got an old tablet (no mobile service plan) that I would be willing to setup with a Skype or Zoom account and mail to her if they have WiFi. I've messaged the home to inquire about that. That way, she can video chat with people. I'm hoping I can get everything setup first so that it just needs to be turned on, connected to WiFi and then it will automatically login to the video chat service so that a person can just "call" her on that device and all she has to do is answer. Very simple and doesn't require much more help from staff besides maybe connecting the WiFi and helping her figure out how to plug it in to charge periodically.18 -
I’m so sorry about your Grandma. I read the whole thing because I know of someone in the nursing home going thru all the covid problems. She is a very social person, and virtually locking her in a room alone certainly hasn’t helped her. I tried to
Get the family to set up a tablet connection with her before Covid, but they weren’t interested. I certainly hope you can do it and that it helps.6 -
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I am sorry about your grandma too- and I hope and pray that she continues to make progress.2 -
Hospital worker checking in from my little corner of eastern N.C., USA...
Out hospital lifted some visitor restrictions a little over a week ago. As someone who goes into patient rooms multiple times daily to get the patient from point A to B? I am not a huge fan of this decision. While I know that it is good for the patients to have one visitor, the other side of the coin is that most don’t follow directions. One of the big rules is that they have to keep their masks on the ENTIRE time they are in the building, but many do not.
I wear a mask all day, every day, and I understand that it is uncomfortable, but wearing that mask is allowing you to visit your loved one.
So when I walk into a room to collect my patient, hooking up oxygen, transferring the IV pumps and fluids, and the visitor is sitting there, either completely unmasked, or with their noses exposed. When I say, “Ma’am, you really need to have your mask on,” the reaction is rarely pleasant. Then I have to go find a nurse manager to let them know room number so and so’s visitor won’t put a mask on.
We have a mask mandate in our state and while it really isn’t being enforced in my county, it amazes me the level of ignorance that is being shown regarding this very subject. I’ve heard it all, from “I refuse to have my civil rights violated” to, “I’m not a sheep” to, “I’m healthy,” etc, etc.
People fail to see that wearing a mask is protecting those around us, not for our protection.
I guess I’m just irritated, because I already put myself at risk moving COVID patients, then I have to deal with selfish visitors off the street who won’t wear the mask.
In other news, Lysol, wipes and actual soft toilet paper are still really hard to find in our neck of the woods. Scott tissue is the absolute worst, y’all! Now I know where the hospital gets theirs.
Restaurants are open with reduced capacity. We went to our favorite Mexican place to get takeout. If I get it? It will be from there. The staff were wearing masks, but under their chins, hanging off of one ear, or only covering their mouths. I have felt safer on the COVID areas at work than I felt at that restaurant. We were in there almost a half hour, in total. In hindsight, after paying, we should have had them bring it outside, but there was an aggressive panhandler out front. I’m thinking this was a six of one, half a dozen of the other, because he wasn’t masked, either, but at least outdoors was probably safer.
Hope y’all are staying safe, and that those of you who have family affected are hanging in there. 💖24 -
I've told some stories here to vent about bad experiences. Here's a more positive one.
My local bedroom-community post office has two stations at the counter, fortunately about 6 feet apart. Since precautions went into effect, they changed the traffic pattern so we go into the full-windowed small foyer then through one door (that used to be mostly for PO box access), into a line (with Xes on the floor at 6 foot distances) . Then people get called up to a counter where there's a plastic barrier above a pass-through space for packages & credit card swipe access. After service, one leaves out a 2nd door to the same full-visibility foyer as the in-door.
Last time I was there, the two rather petite, properly masked counter women would each finish with a customer, step up on something (stepstool?) behind the counter, reach over to spray the customer side of the counter & the card swiper with cleaner, wipe it with a cloth, step back into her spot, then call up the next customer to stand on the service X in front of her counter. Consistent, for each customer.
I don't see how they could do it better, or faster. Really good, from my perspective, best I could expect.21 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Hospital worker checking in from my little corner of eastern N.C., USA...
Out hospital lifted some visitor restrictions a little over a week ago. As someone who goes into patient rooms multiple times daily to get the patient from point A to B? I am not a huge fan of this decision. While I know that it is good for the patients to have one visitor, the other side of the coin is that most don’t follow directions. One of the big rules is that they have to keep their masks on the ENTIRE time they are in the building, but many do not.
I wear a mask all day, every day, and I understand that it is uncomfortable, but wearing that mask is allowing you to visit your loved one.
So when I walk into a room to collect my patient, hooking up oxygen, transferring the IV pumps and fluids, and the visitor is sitting there, either completely unmasked, or with their noses exposed. When I say, “Ma’am, you really need to have your mask on,” the reaction is rarely pleasant. Then I have to go find a nurse manager to let them know room number so and so’s visitor won’t put a mask on.
We have a mask mandate in our state and while it really isn’t being enforced in my county, it amazes me the level of ignorance that is being shown regarding this very subject. I’ve heard it all, from “I refuse to have my civil rights violated” to, “I’m not a sheep” to, “I’m healthy,” etc, etc.
People fail to see that wearing a mask is protecting those around us, not for our protection.
I guess I’m just irritated, because I already put myself at risk moving COVID patients, then I have to deal with selfish visitors off the street who won’t wear the mask.
In other news, Lysol, wipes and actual soft toilet paper are still really hard to find in our neck of the woods. Scott tissue is the absolute worst, y’all! Now I know where the hospital gets theirs.
Restaurants are open with reduced capacity. We went to our favorite Mexican place to get takeout. If I get it? It will be from there. The staff were wearing masks, but under their chins, hanging off of one ear, or only covering their mouths. I have felt safer on the COVID areas at work than I felt at that restaurant. We were in there almost a half hour, in total. In hindsight, after paying, we should have had them bring it outside, but there was an aggressive panhandler out front. I’m thinking this was a six of one, half a dozen of the other, because he wasn’t masked, either, but at least outdoors was probably safer.
Hope y’all are staying safe, and that those of you who have family affected are hanging in there. 💖
It is good that there is a mask mandate there. Where I work, my employer requires them when within 6 feet of each another person or in common areas. The only time we should be mask-less is in the breakroom (tables are setup for social distancing) or at our desk without another person within 6 feet. Still, some people don't wear a mask or wear it without covering their noses. I have been hesitant to directly say anything to anyone because I am trying not to make waves. And since I am the only person that wears mine in my area at almost all times (even when at my desk without anyone within 6 feet), I'm sure I can't anonymously complain because if HR says something, they will know I'm the person who snitched. Having said that, the manager did send an email out a couple weeks ago about how bad the office has been about mask usage (compared to the production and warehouse areas, as I work in the office of a manufacturing plant with a warehouse nearby). It seemed to get better for a couple days after that email. But now, people are more lax about it than ever. If there is an outbreak in the office, it's going to be especially bad.11 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »juliemouse83 wrote: »Hospital worker checking in from my little corner of eastern N.C., USA...
Out hospital lifted some visitor restrictions a little over a week ago. As someone who goes into patient rooms multiple times daily to get the patient from point A to B? I am not a huge fan of this decision. While I know that it is good for the patients to have one visitor, the other side of the coin is that most don’t follow directions. One of the big rules is that they have to keep their masks on the ENTIRE time they are in the building, but many do not.
I wear a mask all day, every day, and I understand that it is uncomfortable, but wearing that mask is allowing you to visit your loved one.
So when I walk into a room to collect my patient, hooking up oxygen, transferring the IV pumps and fluids, and the visitor is sitting there, either completely unmasked, or with their noses exposed. When I say, “Ma’am, you really need to have your mask on,” the reaction is rarely pleasant. Then I have to go find a nurse manager to let them know room number so and so’s visitor won’t put a mask on.
We have a mask mandate in our state and while it really isn’t being enforced in my county, it amazes me the level of ignorance that is being shown regarding this very subject. I’ve heard it all, from “I refuse to have my civil rights violated” to, “I’m not a sheep” to, “I’m healthy,” etc, etc.
People fail to see that wearing a mask is protecting those around us, not for our protection.
I guess I’m just irritated, because I already put myself at risk moving COVID patients, then I have to deal with selfish visitors off the street who won’t wear the mask.
In other news, Lysol, wipes and actual soft toilet paper are still really hard to find in our neck of the woods. Scott tissue is the absolute worst, y’all! Now I know where the hospital gets theirs.
Restaurants are open with reduced capacity. We went to our favorite Mexican place to get takeout. If I get it? It will be from there. The staff were wearing masks, but under their chins, hanging off of one ear, or only covering their mouths. I have felt safer on the COVID areas at work than I felt at that restaurant. We were in there almost a half hour, in total. In hindsight, after paying, we should have had them bring it outside, but there was an aggressive panhandler out front. I’m thinking this was a six of one, half a dozen of the other, because he wasn’t masked, either, but at least outdoors was probably safer.
Hope y’all are staying safe, and that those of you who have family affected are hanging in there. 💖
It is good that there is a mask mandate there. Where I work, my employer requires them when within 6 feet of each another person or in common areas. The only time we should be mask-less is in the breakroom (tables are setup for social distancing) or at our desk without another person within 6 feet. Still, some people don't wear a mask or wear it without covering their noses. I have been hesitant to directly say anything to anyone because I am trying not to make waves. And since I am the only person that wears mine in my area at almost all times (even when at my desk without anyone within 6 feet), I'm sure I can't anonymously complain because if HR says something, they will know I'm the person who snitched. Having said that, the manager did send an email out a couple weeks ago about how bad the office has been about mask usage (compared to the production and warehouse areas, as I work in the office of a manufacturing plant with a warehouse nearby). It seemed to get better for a couple days after that email. But now, people are more lax about it than ever. If there is an outbreak in the office, it's going to be especially bad.
It’s mandated, but not enforced.
I hate that even an anonymous complaint will point a finger at you. That’s where mess gets sticky. At this point in my life (I’m 55 with hypertension), I’m not trying to make friends; I’m trying to keep myself healthy. My husband is high risk, so I have to be careful. You are high risk, as well, and while it’s not fun or easy, you have to look out out for YOUR own health, safety and well being.
In an ideal world? We’d all be looking out for each other, but that isn’t the case, so you have to look out for yourself, because, clearly, nobody else gives a *kitten*.
I truly hope that you will be able to stay safe and healthy.7 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »...
In other news, Lysol, wipes and actual soft toilet paper are still really hard to find in our neck of the woods. Scott tissue is the absolute worst, y’all! Now I know where the hospital gets theirs....
The first day of the shutdown here I got a 24-pack of store brand scott knock off. I also ordered a bidet (which helps).
We still have 1/3 of the pack left. That stuff a) lasts forever, and b) sucks. Toilet paper came back in stock before we used all of that ONE 24-pack.
Don't get me wrong, I was grateful to get it when I did. But...I won't be buying that kind by choice in the future. I'll glady pay for my Charmin or store-brand Charmin knock-off. Or Cottonelle.
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Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.0 -
autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
Why not hand sanitizer? I have small bottles in my car and purse, I use before and after going in places. I am required to use it going into the gym (the bathroom is across the building) - their stinks. I swear it is just alcohol. Really liquidy.
Just wondered because I have almost never used hand sanitizer, my use has increased exponentially.
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ExistingFish wrote: »autumnblade75 wrote: »I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Why not hand sanitizer? I have small bottles in my car and purse, I use before and after going in places. I am required to use it going into the gym (the bathroom is across the building) - their stinks. I swear it is just alcohol. Really liquidy.
Just wondered because I have almost never used hand sanitizer, my use has increased exponentially.
Washing with soap is more effective, anyway. It gives me a headache when my husband uses the stuff, I'm certainly not going to inflict my own hands with that odor.
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Sounds like COVID-19 wants to go full bloom in my end of KY like much of the southern USA.
https://kfvs12.com/2020/07/09/graves-county-covid-cases-increase/
https://wkms.org/post/crittenden-and-calloway-schools-set-delayed-start-date
https://studyfinds.org/adem-rare-brain-disorder-stroke-covid-19/
Having used Wobenzyme N for about 5 years this morning I found a e-book that a ND who pulled together research on many Wobenzyme studies over the last 30 years that sound interesting in light of COVID-19 symptoms. While it is no cure if it may prevent or lessen a cytokine storm, etc it has my attention. I was going to upload the PDF file but never figured out how. https://www.yourhormones.com/content/systemic-enzyme-therapy-experience-with-wobenzym-formulations.pdf0 -
autumnblade75 wrote: »Here in Illinois, the governor's mandate has been overturned - the law only allows for a 30 day public health mandate, and it's been in effect for 3x that long - and after that, my workplace has finally requested that employees wear masks. Not that they're doing a particularly good job of enforcing it, though. Supervisors have been required to wear masks for at least a month, and they've been wearing them mostly on their chins, not covering any of their breathing holes. That seems to be about the level of compliance they're seeking with employees, too. There are 3 theories: 1) The employee that caught Covid19 (just one!) died... 2) It's to shut up the employees that are asking for hazard pay... 3) It's tied to some of our coworkers vacationing in states that a new mandate requires a 2 week quarantine when returning from (but there are exemptions for essential workers, anyway, and UPS is not giving an extra 2 weeks off work just to quarantine.)
After the mask requirement at work (Wednesday) a union representative had a table set up by the door with a petition for hazard pay. So, that seems to point to theory #2. That doesn't mean we're not all curious whatever happened to the driver that got sick... If it's a breach of HIPAA to tell us if he's died, I guess passing a card and collecting donations for the widow would be, too. I don't socialize with the drivers, so I don't even know which one has been absent for the past 6 weeks.
With coworkers vacationing in Florida and New Jersey and returning to work with their naked faces and lack of social distancing, it's a wonder that more of us haven't gotten sick. I stopped wearing my masks at the beginning of June, when it started being 90 degrees inside, and volume picked up so that we were working twice the hours. After all, my mask protects all those other jerks and their lack of mask doesn't protect me... The extra discomfort isn't worthwhile in those circumstances. I've taken to spending my breaks in place so that nobody comes within 6 feet to socialize with me. My antisocial tendencies are serving me well.
Back in March, I asked not to work at the bay I had previously worked at, because there's no room to social distance, and my supervisors have mostly honored my request. But due to the nature of the work, we change bays as the trucks arrive, and at least once a week I spend at least half an hour less than 2 feet from the next guy. I still figure I'm more likely to bring it to work than catch it there - my husband still works at the hospital, after all - but they're no longer having daily briefings, and they've stopped telling him to expect to catch it.
I have not used hand sanitizer a single time since this madness started. I do my best not to touch my face, but since I'm taking the mask off to drink water every 15 minutes or so, so I don't dehydrate, I don't think I'm doing a great job of that. There's a single large container of hand sanitizer next to the bathroom that it is not feasible to visit every time I have to unmask to drink - besides, if I'm Right There, I'll just go in and wash with soap. The best part of this whole mess is that we've had paper towels and soap regularly since March. That's where they keep the wipes, too. Guess how often the equipment gets wiped, then? The SHARED equipment. Yeah.
Anyway, I guess think about that when you collect your packages from the front porch. We're choosing between keeping the PPE on, or keeping hydrated. The masks are definitely interfering with my hydration strategy.
I've got a bottle of hand sanitizer in my car for after being in stores and laundromat. We have sanitizer placed around areas with food/drink (break rooms, vending) at work and at entrances. We also have Lysol wipes available to clean off work spaces and surfaces.1
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