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Face mask or no face mask?

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  • will_it_go_round_in_circleswill_it_go_round_in_circles Member Posts: 578 Member Member Posts: 578 Member
    I wear a mask solely because it is mandated, even though it has been stated repeatedly that it isn't effective.
    I am in the high risk category, as I have breast cancer. While I was in treatment for 3 weeks, I had multiple discussions with my oncologist. He always wore a mask and repeatedly stated that he hated them. He said they gave people a false sense of security. They aren't effective, and took his off when it was just the two of us talking. He said the only effective way to stop the spread of the virus is social distancing. He said to imagine the 6 liters of air expelled from the lungs as an aerosol, potentially containing a virus, hanging in the air like smoke. If smoke can get around the mask, the virus can.

    Because oncology is the study of airborne disease and the spread of it...

    If for one second you think putting on a flimsy paper mask is going to stop you from getting the virus, then yeah you've got a false sense of security. It doesn't work like that at all, but that has to be old news by now. It's been laid out in here at least a dozen times already. They don't do *kitten* when it comes to stopping the virus.

    Where they most certainly are effective is at REDUCING or SLOWING the projections of DROPLETS of saliva and mucous exiting the mouth and nose. It's the same principle as covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze to help prevent the spread of cold/flu. A stronger measure is NEEDED here because the level of contaigesnous in this virus is much higher than that of the common cold or flu.

    Take your aerosol example for instance. Get you a can of hairspray, a rag, and a clean mirror. Stand back from the mirror and just pshhht the hairspray real quick at the mirror unobstructed. It's a big *kitten* mess ain't it? Now find a clean spot on the mirror, hold the rag up in front of the can and pshhht it again through the rag. Did dome make it through/around? Yeah, SOME did. Is it less? LOTS LESS.

    I happily wear them where they are mandated (in the uk/England, so shops, takeouts etc) as these areas are likely to bring people into close contact with little ventilation. However where it is not required, I will not wear one.

    The main reason I won’t wear one at all times is because I don’t want this to become the new norm. Facial expressions are a key part of non verbal communication and it’s not a world I wish my son to grow up becoming accustomed to

    If that's how you really feel, then wear one now so he doesn't have to later. That's the job of a parent, to make the sacrifices today so our children don't have to tomorrow, right? Your contribution now is what's going to guarentee this to be a part of your childs life.

    Oncology is a branch of medicine that deals with the prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of CANCER. A medical professional who practices oncology is an oncologist.

    I know what an oncologist is, that was kind of the point.
  • will_it_go_round_in_circleswill_it_go_round_in_circles Member Posts: 578 Member Member Posts: 578 Member
    I know what an oncologist is, that was kind of the point.

    @will_it_go_round_in_circles :wink:

    Apologies, since you quoted me in your reply I thought the explanation was for me.

    My statement was one of sarcasm and frustration.
  • ReenieHJReenieHJ Member Posts: 2,246 Member Member Posts: 2,246 Member

    Most of us are just trying to get through the short term without getting ill or experiencing terrible economic consequences. For others of us, those hopes have already been dashed and illness/death or financial disaster (or both) has already struck.

    I think worrying about potential long term consequences of mask wearing can take place IF that happens. Right now we should focus on the best way to get as many of us as possible to that "long term."

    And that’s why I do wear a mask where I have to. I’ve just expressed my feelings with regards to making it a norm.

    I don't know that anyone is even arguing that this should be something we do long-term. My point is that we're trying to get widespread transmission under control.

    the longer we go without full participation, the longer the term becomes.


    Yes yes so much yes to this!
  • Gisel2015Gisel2015 Member Posts: 3,409 Member Member Posts: 3,409 Member
    Not to derail the conversation folks, but since this is a "mask" thread, I though that some of you maybe interested in this information about light masks to wear while working out. Carry on.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/cnn-underscored/best-breathable-face-masks/index.html
  • will_it_go_round_in_circleswill_it_go_round_in_circles Member Posts: 578 Member Member Posts: 578 Member
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    Not to derail the conversation folks, but since this is a "mask" thread, I though that some of you maybe interested in this information about light masks to wear while working out. Carry on.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/cnn-underscored/best-breathable-face-masks/index.html

    Gotta say no to the Hanes. If I'm putting underwear on my head then we're in a much better place than we are now.

    I purchased one of the sport masks with changeable filters for exercise. It breathes really well, so much so that I'd wear it as a regular mask except that it has a velcro strap that goes around your neck instead of the ear straps.

  • Gisel2015Gisel2015 Member Posts: 3,409 Member Member Posts: 3,409 Member
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    Not to derail the conversation folks, but since this is a "mask" thread, I though that some of you maybe interested in this information about light masks to wear while working out. Carry on.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/cnn-underscored/best-breathable-face-masks/index.html

    Gotta say no to the Hanes. If I'm putting underwear on my head then we're in a much better place than we are now.

    I purchased one of the sport masks with changeable filters for exercise. It breathes really well, so much so that I'd wear it as a regular mask except that it has a velcro strap that goes around your neck instead of the ear straps.

    I have several masks with changeable filters too, but I don't think that they are "cool" enough for exercising for me. I may try the ones in the link.
  • Gisel2015Gisel2015 Member Posts: 3,409 Member Member Posts: 3,409 Member
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    More than 40 people, including pastor, test positive for coronavirus after Alabama church revival

    He said some social distancing measures were in place during the services, which were held multiple times a day, and most members skipped the events out of concern for the virus. Those that attended sat with their own families. Masks were not required, the newspaper reported.

    “We let everybody do what they felt like. ... If you were comfortable shaking hands, you shook hands. If you didn’t, you didn’t,” the pastor said.


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/28/covid-19-more-40-people-infected-alabama-church-revival/5525594002/

    I will not post how and what I feel about this, because I will be offending a lot of people and probably reprimanded by the moderators. Just use your imagination... >:)

    I'll say it. That was dumb.

    You are too nice. I was thinking in something way more harsh.
  • PGKYPGKY Member Posts: 134 Member Member Posts: 134 Member
    Here in Argentina it has been mandatory to use a face mask or at least to cover your mouth and nose with a scarf since late March if you go into a store and since May 5 to be in all and any public space (You need one the moment you walk out your front door).
    I have only seen one person walking without one in the last month and she was being yelled at by a couple of passersby.
    You can take it off during running. It is mandatory for biking though, and this annoys me quite a bit because I end up getting dizzy.
    If are driving your own car, but you are not the only person in the car, you are required to use one too. If you are driving by yourself you can forego wearing one.
  • mockchocmockchoc Member Posts: 6,409 Member Member Posts: 6,409 Member
    Theoldguy1, that is terrible honestly when he wasn't near her.

    Here in Nth Queensland I've had a couple of incidences that worried me although we don't have the virus here right now but who knows where these people have been and brought it here. First time a young native woman came and dumped her groceries on top of mine in a little supermarket and breathed directly into my face after I tried to keep distanced. No idea why as she didn't need to be close and wasn't speaking and then in a bigger supermarket a man kept moving into my space every time I would move away.. then there was the beggar that hugged me after I gave him some money but at least he was being nice. We aren't wearing masks of course but kind of wish I was when those things happened.
  • claireychn074claireychn074 Member, Premium Posts: 359 Member Member, Premium Posts: 359 Member
    Wearing masks which cover the lips is a real issue for lip readers so check out some of the clear ones coming to market. None look that good yet so I haven’t ordered one, but there are some home made ones with little bits of clear plastic over the mouth and some high tech promising ones just going into production. It would mean people can see facial expressions and lip read whilst still protecting others from mouth spray. Won’t post links but have a look online 😀
  • gininthegymgininthegym Member Posts: 28 Member Member Posts: 28 Member
    This is such a divisive topic. I'm no fan - they have only become mandatory herein the UK in shops and indoor spaces this past week. I don't go out to work, nor does anyone who lives in my house. We are probably the least chance of being infected/infectious of anyone I know. I have worn a face covering twice in the last two weeks - once for a trip to get my hair cut (desperately needed that after salons had been closed since March) and once to go to the supermarket. It was incredibly uncomfortable for me - so I plan to continue to avoid going out into the public domain as much as possible until this has passed. I have a home gym, and run outdoors (I don't pass many people on my routes).

    If I did work in a public space, had to use public transport and wanted to shop in malls then I guess I'd have to suck it up and wear one daily.

    Good for you if you don't mind it and find it no trouble - but many others disagree.
  • amart4224amart4224 Member Posts: 76 Member Member Posts: 76 Member
    For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.
  • jamlochejamloche Member Posts: 53 Member Member Posts: 53 Member
    amart4224 wrote: »
    For the past few months I've only been going to parks or nature areas, the dog park, and around my own property so there hasn't been a reason to wear a mask. I get my groceries via curbside pickup. There is one guy who shows up to the dog park in mask and gloves and gets some pretty weird looks, but hey, if it makes him feel safer then more power to him.

    This is a great attitude!

    But I have a question ... why would it make him feel safer?
    edited July 29
  • Diatonic12Diatonic12 Member Posts: 6,470 Member Member Posts: 6,470 Member
    Gisel, I've sent all of your info to my relatives. You can buy 'em books and buy 'em books but they just eat the covers. Out here in the country we do shoot straight from the lips. There are a few signs with 'Mask It or Casket'.
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