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MikePfirrman wrote: »@GaleHawkins Can you tell me why a second and third wave can be worse than the first? Curious what factors lead to this. TIA
Arizona during the heat of our Summer had the highest per capita on the planet.
Probably not. The early outbreaks were way undercounted due to a severe shortage of testing. Just look at the death rates in the early states (esp NY/NJ).My strong belief is that when they opened up gyms, bars and restaurants it spread quickly indoors. While our numbers are slightly up again, nothing like they were in the Summer. I felt, even with a high amount of universities, that cooling temps would help and it seems like it has.
Contrast that with the Midwest and the Northeast. Schools and universities back in session, flu season and everyone indoors. Add to it the Holiday gatherings and the numbers from Spring will be dwarfed. The only good news is that Coronavirus has mutated to be less deadly, but also more contagious.
I think they will be up vs the summer, because of the weather, as you say, but I would be shocked if the areas that got very hard hit in the spring (the NE, parts of the midwest like Chicago, perhaps Michigan) actually got hit harder than in the spring. Then, we had had lots of unchecked spreading with no precautions at all before the outbreak started to hit. Even with the uptick, NY's numbers (such as positivity rate) is still extremely good, and absolutely nothing compared with the spring. Chicago's uptick and deaths still leave us looking much better off than in the spring and early summer.
Knock on wood and all that.
Michigan cases do appear to be rising, with daily new-case counts now reaching and exceeding what we saw in Spring. According to Bridge Michigan (generally regarded as a sound news source), the 7-day average new case count is the highest ever.
But that's statewide. The per-capita regional patterns are very different.
Of course the raw case numbers are high in the densely-populated Detroit area (where Spring's Covid impact was profound). But per capita, the case levels are highest now in some medium-density and low-density regions that were not hit hard as hard in Spring. Among those are the upper peninsula (very sparsely populated by most people's standards, around 300k people spread over a very large region, bigger than some states) and West to Southwest Michigan (probably medium density population with some cities like Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and others).
Of the areas with high per capita rates, I believe (relying on memory, not data) the greater Grand Rapids area had a meaningful outbreak in the Spring (GR = 200k population, Kent County, where it's located, 657k). I believe most of the other regions with high per capita rates now were quite low in Spring.
To a cynic (me) who lives here, the geographic pattern looks not so much like a 2nd wave in Michigan, as a "people don't learn from other people's experience" kind of thing. There are also some demographic and political dynamics that would amplify that effect, with outstate Michigan (perhaps especially the West and far North) inclined to see greater Detroit as "those people", not "us". When "they" were dying in Spring, hospitals, morgues and funeral homes getting overwhelmed, I believe many would've seen that as something that couldn't happen in their part of the state, for a variety of reasons.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Yesterday we voted and I paid our property taxes for 2020 since I was at the courthouse to vote. I did not want to go but the wife and daughter did. KY is a red state clinging to guns and bibles so there is no way to flip the state blue so why vote in this pandemic was my thinking but we all know women run the world. Most were my age or older and some were on walkers and the main door is not handicap friendly so they were for some reason motivated voters. Yes is see getting in line to vote as a super spreader event. Masks were mandatory and enforcers were wearing real guns with real bullets so there was 100% compliance without being asked.
I voted a couple of weeks ago, and it seemed quite safe where I am. The whole thing took 15 minutes, with only a couple of minutes in line, the line socially distanced (as were the voting booths), and of course masks required. I could have voted by mail, but I preferred going in person.
I was concerned that it might be more of a wait on voting day, although I am lucky enough to live in an area where we don't have the kinds of insane lines we see some places (it's not really luck, of course, but local policy, but can't say more about that, as it would be political).
I voted by mail, which normally wouldn't be allowed here (TN) without a valid reason. One of the reasons we can use is for medical reasons. Having an underlying health condition that increases my risk of severe illness from Covid is a qualifying medical reason.8 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »@GaleHawkins Can you tell me why a second and third wave can be worse than the first? Curious what factors lead to this. TIA
Arizona during the heat of our Summer had the highest per capita on the planet.
Probably not. The early outbreaks were way undercounted due to a severe shortage of testing. Just look at the death rates in the early states (esp NY/NJ).My strong belief is that when they opened up gyms, bars and restaurants it spread quickly indoors. While our numbers are slightly up again, nothing like they were in the Summer. I felt, even with a high amount of universities, that cooling temps would help and it seems like it has.
Contrast that with the Midwest and the Northeast. Schools and universities back in session, flu season and everyone indoors. Add to it the Holiday gatherings and the numbers from Spring will be dwarfed. The only good news is that Coronavirus has mutated to be less deadly, but also more contagious.
I think they will be up vs the summer, because of the weather, as you say, but I would be shocked if the areas that got very hard hit in the spring (the NE, parts of the midwest like Chicago, perhaps Michigan) actually got hit harder than in the spring. Then, we had had lots of unchecked spreading with no precautions at all before the outbreak started to hit. Even with the uptick, NY's numbers (such as positivity rate) is still extremely good, and absolutely nothing compared with the spring. Chicago's uptick and deaths still leave us looking much better off than in the spring and early summer.
Knock on wood and all that.
Michigan cases do appear to be rising, with daily new-case counts now reaching and exceeding what we saw in Spring. According to Bridge Michigan (generally regarded as a sound news source), the 7-day average new case count is the highest ever.
But that's statewide. The per-capita regional patterns are very different.
Of course the raw case numbers are high in the densely-populated Detroit area (where Spring's Covid impact was profound). But per capita, the case levels are highest now in some medium-density and low-density regions that were not hit hard as hard in Spring. Among those are the upper peninsula (very sparsely populated by most people's standards, around 300k people spread over a very large region, bigger than some states) and West to Southwest Michigan (probably medium density population with some cities like Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and others).
Of the areas with high per capita rates, I believe (relying on memory, not data) the greater Grand Rapids area had a meaningful outbreak in the Spring (GR = 200k population, Kent County, where it's located, 657k). I believe most of the other regions with high per capita rates now were quite low in Spring.
To a cynic (me) who lives here, the geographic pattern looks not so much like a 2nd wave in Michigan, as a "people don't learn from other people's experience" kind of thing. There are also some demographic and political dynamics that would amplify that effect, with outstate Michigan (perhaps especially the West and far North) inclined to see greater Detroit as "those people", not "us". When "they" were dying in Spring, hospitals, morgues and funeral homes getting overwhelmed, I believe many would've seen that as something that couldn't happen in their part of the state, for a variety of reasons.
Yeah, that's similar to here, and what's generally happening around the country, as areas not hit before and non large cities get hit. NPR had an interesting piece on that: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/22/914578634/americas-200-000-covid-19-deaths-small-cities-and-towns-bear-a-growing-share
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/22/926264615/covid-19-surges-in-rural-communities-overwhelming-some-local-hospitals
Re: cases vs deaths, back on April 28, Illinois had 2,219 new cases and 144 deaths (with a large portion, around half, in Chicago, with the next largest amount being in suburban Cook Co and then other suburban Chicago counties like DuPage). Most of the state had few cases.
Now, today we announced 4000 new cases, and 46 deaths, so you can see the numbers aren't the same. Chicago itself had 652 new cases but only 3 new deaths -- so very different than in the spring even though total state cases are higher and Chicago cases aren't too different than they were back then on many days.
What is worrisome is that our local positivity rate (which had been hovering just below 5% for some time) is spiking up to 7.8%, but back in the spring it was more like 25% or more, and in NY was at 50% for some time.
That said, even if we do get another bad outbreak in Chicago, I don't think it would qualify as a second wave, but the first wave continuing to bounce around the state and the country.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://www.wkdzradio.com/2020/10/25/sunday-kentucky-covid-19-update/
From the news it sounds like Covid-19 number of cases are setting records in USA and Europe. The USA had some hot spots 6 months ago but now is wide spread with more nursing home involvement than ever in our region. Hope the talk of turning the corner in 2022 turns out to be correct.
i am so hoping you meant to type 2021.
I don't have a whole lot of hope that 2021 is going to be better...if anything, I think it may be worse. It's only October and we're already seeing record numbers across the US and Europe. In NM we hit a new record of cases every single day right now and we're at record hospitalizations. Mortality seems to be down, but our hospitals are around 90% capacity right now for intensive care and they're talking about setting up the army tent hospitals again...I just don't think that's going to miraculously go away in the coming months as we head into 2021.
I have to go get tested again...I went into the office on Monday and popped on the thermometer 4 times with a temp of 100.5...I don't have any other symptoms, but I have to have a negative test before they will allow me to go back to work...unfortunately, the number of people I know personally who have contracted the virus is growing as well. I was supposed to get tested today, but we had a big freak snow storm and everything is closed, so I have to wait until Thursday.
SD is the same with daily record breaking. One difference is October has been, by far, the deadliest month.
The trending data shows pretty clearly that this is the first wave here.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »You are assuming that this virus was controllable. Viruses like sharks have been around longer than man and both seem to control the responses of man more than the other way around. It has been said from the get go this coming winter was going to be very hard but hopefully the experts are wrong. You are correct often the second and third waves are worse.
Out of the UK last week we heard Covid-19 may be with us for years to come. Keep in mind most of what we have heard since March 2020 has been filtered by non medical people.
We now understand the lack good health practices invites pandemics historically speaking.
It was. Several countries have done it/are doing it. But as the person above you said, it's too late for those that didn't get control of it early. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Will you please share the current Covid-19 stats for 3 of the several countries that you claim have done it/are doing it?
China has claimed the virus behind Covid-19 was the work of the USA and that may have some merit but most nations are pointing fingers towards mainland China. Assuming the virus did come from China once it was exported by plane directly to the USA west coast and to the east coast way of Italy medically speaking Covid-19 was not controllable in the USA or other countries period.
Today in the USA alone we are certain millions are walking around spreading the virus with no outward symptoms. A killer virus that can hide undetected by outward signs in infected humans is NOT controllable period. It can be Managed but not Controlled.
You are correct, managed is what I was meaning.
FWIW, New Zealand's current cases (as of yesterday). That one new case is someone in Managed Isolation (ie someone who has just arrived from overseas and is in mandatory MIQ for 14 days - yes, we have the audacity to confine anyone coming into the country to a 4/5 star hotel for a couple of weeks after arrival). The current community cases stem from someone who does some sort of repair work or something on ships, who contracted it on a ship they worked on recently, and close contacts of that person:
Australia is also doing well. The state of Victoria had a nasty re-emergence starting a few months back, and have just now come out of a very strict 12 week lockdown to get that under control (which they have).
Yes, both of these countries are islands. So's the UK. We most certainly had some advantages, but mostly our success in managing the pandemic was down to swift and decisive action by our leaders.18 -
@GaleHawkins Can you tell me why a second and third wave can be worse than the first? Curious what factors lead to this. TIA
I think this is an assumption, and as someone else said, if it turned out to be the case, I'd bet it was due to pandemic fatigue. If this is a second wave, I'd also guess it could be worse because it is happening during flu season, which makes hospital overcrowding and healthcare rationing more likely. Also, since it is happening all across the country at once, it will be less likely that different states can help each other by sending doctors/nurses/equipment to hard hit areas. There is no virology or epidemiology based reason why subsequent waves would be worse.4 -
@snowflake954 Will you be doing all of your cooking at home for awhile. No more wonderful meals out. Sigh.
Sidenote: I like the sound of boosted immunity for the elderly. Who in the kale would argue with that. Really.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »@lemurcat2 -- the strain that hit NY and NJ early was a much more deadly one that mutated quite a bit before AZ got hit. I was talking more in terms of cases per capita at the time. NY, as far as fatalities, had around 1 death for 600 population. AZ had 1 for 1000 population, not terribly far behind. We only have 7 million residents and around 7000 deaths, worse than Italy per capita, which is shocking considering the Italian strain was said to have been much more deadly. Italy has 9 times the population of AZ. They had 35K deaths, considerably lower per capita.
I don't think we know that it was a more deadly strain. What we certainly don't know is how many cases NY had per capita, because they were extremely undertested, which is why their death per case looks much worse, and we've also learned some about how to treat it. Comparing case tallies now or even during the summer to the spring is misleading (you definitely see this in my city and state). Death tallies is a better way to compare like to like, although it lags.
Anyway, here are the stats for deaths (per 100K), with NYC of course much higher than NY as a whole:
1) NJ: 183
2) NY: 172
3) MA: 142
9) AZ: 80
10) IL: 76 [IL is weird because Chicago got hit hard early but most of the state was barely hit at all, and now cases are picking up around the state and upticking some from a comparatively low number in Chicago, but still in Chicago they are way less than at the worst, when overall cases--as with the NE--were way understated due to inadequate testing]What's completely infuriating to anyone with a lick of sense is Italy rallied behind their healthcare workers and sang songs of support. In AZ, we had anti-maskers threaten them and yell in their faces. Not a good look. My Italian clients were aghast (I work a lot with Italian based companies as a consultant).
We did the song thing too, here in Chicago. Wouldn't be surprised if it was happening in NYC and elsewhere in the NE too.
Doctors have learned a great deal about how covid actually harms and kills patients, and have several treatments they are now saving those lives with. In the beginning, they were treating critical cases as a respiratory issue and putting people on ventilators. Now they are treating inflammation with steroids and only using ventilators when absolutely necessary. Unfortunately, there were probably a lot of patients who died in March and April who if treated with current protocols would have survived. I don't think hospitalization rates have dropped out of proportion with cases, so it could be we are simply saving lives we weren't in the beginning. My understanding is viruses mutate to improve their ability to survive. As covid has been spreading quite easily and most people were already surviving to spread it, even if they eventually died, I'm not sure it's clear that covid has mutated to be less deadly.
And like you mentioned, the data we have to work with is suspect at best. It will be years before scientists can go through all the data, weight the numbers based on uncovered biases and policies, and say definitively what the timeline really was. Just like people who talk about aiming for natural herd immunity - herd immunity isn't a finish line you celebrate as you run across. It's something you look back on and notice we must've gotten there within the last several years.10 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@snowflake954 Will you be doing all of your cooking at home for awhile. No more wonderful meals out. Sigh.
Sidenote: I like the sound of boosted immunity for the elderly. Who in the kale would argue with that. Really.
My husband loves pizza and we usually go out Friday and Saturday nights (he's also sweet, he wants me to get a break from cooking). He was complaining that we couldn't go because of the 6 o'clock closing. I just looked at him sideways and asked why we couldn't go to our favorite places for lunch on those days and I'd prepare the evening meal at home. There's more than one way to skin a cat, and we don't want our favorite restaurants closing, especially since they've spent money and bent over backwards to comply with COVID laws.17 -
Some more information that came out today and a link abotu the Oxford vaccine.
Oxford vaccine:
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27B0L7
The US has seen almost half a million new coronavirus cases in one week as the dreaded fall surge continues to grow, and some places could be close to what former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb called “an exponential spread.” That’s not the only bad news: A new British study has shown a decline in coronavirus antibodies over three months -- a sign that immunity to Covid-19 wanes. This aligns with other studies that showed people who tested positive but had no symptoms are likely to lose antibodies faster than people with more severe symptoms. The American Academy of Pediatrics says it's seen a 14% increase in child Covid-19 cases over the last two weeks, and pediatric cases now make up more than 10% of all US cases.
It does seem likely that it will require a specifically engineered vaccine to provide lasting immunity, and it might take a booster or two to make it stick long term.
Also, I heard a discussion on the antibody cocktail Trump received. The antibodies are not expected to teach your body to create it's own antibodies, in fact your body most likely won't since the injected antibodies eliminate the virus before your body has the chance to "learn". So it's expected the antibody cocktail will only provide a few months of protection until those antibodies are gone and then you are susceptible again.8 -
This is a good overview of how various countries are doing at managing the pandemic. The New Zealand number is off from what gets reported to the WHO, but I think it's only counting local transmission, not all the cases contracted oversees.
https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries4 -
I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯5 -
Some more information that came out today and a link abotu the Oxford vaccine.
Oxford vaccine:
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27B0L7
The US has seen almost half a million new coronavirus cases in one week as the dreaded fall surge continues to grow, and some places could be close to what former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb called “an exponential spread.” That’s not the only bad news: A new British study has shown a decline in coronavirus antibodies over three months -- a sign that immunity to Covid-19 wanes. This aligns with other studies that showed people who tested positive but had no symptoms are likely to lose antibodies faster than people with more severe symptoms. The American Academy of Pediatrics says it's seen a 14% increase in child Covid-19 cases over the last two weeks, and pediatric cases now make up more than 10% of all US cases.
It does seem likely that it will require a specifically engineered vaccine to provide lasting immunity, and it might take a booster or two to make it stick long term.
Also, I heard a discussion on the antibody cocktail Trump received. The antibodies are not expected to teach your body to create it's own antibodies, in fact your body most likely won't since the injected antibodies eliminate the virus before your body has the chance to "learn". So it's expected the antibody cocktail will only provide a few months of protection until those antibodies are gone and then you are susceptible again.
I saw an article online about the Regeneron cocktail, but I haven't had a chance to read it in detail. It is my understanding that the monoclonal antibodies were not supposed to have a lasting effect, and that the present therapeuticals were only designed to control the virus and infection as early as possible, and before it really "attacks" the body. I need to talk with some of my colleagues about it.
I will not be surprised if all or most of the vaccines will need a second dose to increase immunity. Not ideal and hard for compliance, but maybe what is needed until the scientist determine why is so hard to develop lasting immunity with this darn virus.
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BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
However, even if donations are still recommended, so far the results have not been clinically significant. Probably because immunity doesn't seem to be very lasting or impressive according with the latest research. See the article below.
Study finds that plasma of recovered Covid-19 patients is of limited use as a treatment
Convalescent plasma, which delivers antibodies from Covid-19 survivors to infected people, failed to reduce death rates or halt progression
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/23/study-finds-plasma-recovered-covid-19-patients-limited-use-treatment/
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From Dr. Sanjay Gupta
Why we won’t feel the full impact of vaccines until next year
There’s a lot of hope pinned to vaccines, but it’s important that people understand that even if a vaccine is authorized soon, we won’t fully feel the effects of it until next year. It will take time to vaccinate the initial groups of people and frontline workers with the required two doses that many of the early vaccine candidates require, according to former US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb.
“The vaccine is not going to affect the contours of what we’re going to go through in the next two or three months,” he said.
So even if we have a vaccine, we won’t be able to let up on masking and physical distancing in the near future.
What’s also important to note is that we won’t know from the vaccine trials if these vaccines will actually save lives. Rather, the ongoing trials are only designed to show if the vaccines prevent infection – and most infections are mild, said Peter Doshi, a drug development specialist at the University of Maryland.
"None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus," Doshi wrote in the the medical journal BMJ.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said this week, “The primary thing you want to do is that if people get infected, prevent them from getting sick, and if you prevent them from getting sick, you will ultimately prevent them from getting seriously ill.”
Fauci agreed that a vaccine which prevents infection would be even better.
“If the vaccine also allows you to prevent initial infection, that would be great,” he said, “But what I would settle for – and all of my colleagues would settle for – is the primary endpoint to prevent clinically recognizable disease.”
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This is a paid article for some, but it's concerning. Saying that many that get Covid-19 are long-term like Lupus patients, where the body starts attacking itself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/health/covid-antibodies-autoimmunity.html
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20216192v16 -
We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)9 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
110 is a standard lower limit for blood donations in the US too. I've seen it often.1 -
BarbaraHelen2013 wrote: »I have a feeling somewhere back in the multiple pages of this thread something about plasma donation. Plasma taken from recovered Covid cases is apparently helpful in treating severe cases.
Does anyone have any insights as to why it’s necessary for plasma donors to be substantially overweight? Is it a blood volume issue?
My daughter registered her interest in plasma donation as soon as she recovered and received a call from the National Blood Transfusion Service this evening. Amongst the eligibility questions asked were height and weight.
She is 5’5” and around 9st. So her BMI is about midway in the normal BMI range.
They told her she couldn’t donate, and in fact told her that as a woman of 5ft 5ins she’d need to be at least 12st 2lbs! That’s towards the top end of an overweight BMI.
To me, that’s just crazy! 🤯
I searched for eligibility criteria for donating plasma after COVID-19 infection, but I didn't find anything related to BMI. In India, a donor has to be above 50kg to donate, and older than 17 years old. That is the only info that I saw related to weight.
110 is a standard lower limit for blood donations in the US too. I've seen it often.
Agree, that is why I can't donate blood0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »We voted by mail a few weeks ago and I've checked online to see that our ballots were accepted, and those of my mother and brother. (The majority of states have this capacity.)
Today while getting an iron infusion, election day being a week away came up and I helped my nurse make a plan to vote by letting her know how to find her early voting and election day voting locations. (This was a completely apolitical conversation.)
Heh, we had something due on this coming Monday, and a co-worker suggested we ask for an extension to Wednesday. I freaked and said "no, that's the day after election day" and he immediately conceded that I was correct. (The other side subsequently asked for an extension until the following Monday anyway.) I am taking next Wednesday as a holiday/sick day/whatever.
My trainer (whom I work with remotely) has been pushing co-workers to vote (lots of them are young ones), and I gave her the information about voting early downtown (just a few blocks from where they are, as well as where my office is), and she's been encouraging people to go during breaks. Everyone I know here is voting, but I've been encouraging people to check their registration and early vote in person (even though mail in is easy here, it's just in person gets counted first in this state). Not that we are a swing state, anyway (and of course you aren't either!).5
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