Coronavirus prep
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WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare.
We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
In NM, it is the results from private testing that are taking the longest. If you get tested at a DOH site results are typically within 2-3 days. The downside is that the drive through testing lines are a longer wait than going to a private site.
I was sick a couple of weeks ago...I didn't really know at first, but I went to the office and I popped on the thermometer coming in. They manually took it four more times because I told them I felt completely fine and kept popping so they sent me home and I had to get tested. I didn't really start feeling bad until later that day...it was pretty minor but somewhat consistent with people I've known who've had mild symptoms.
I ended up testing negative, but after a couple of days I still hadn't been texted or emailed my results and couldn't find them online. I let a couple more days pass and after 5 days I found a number for the DOH specifically for COVID related questions. I called, and they had my results and had them for a few days already, but they are so backlogged with testing that even when they get the results they can't get them out fast enough to people. He advised me to tell anyone I know that is awaiting results to call if they haven't received them in 3 days because they are most likely in, just not disseminated.
Not sure how it works elsewhere, but that's what's going on in NM.8 -
I checked the Sam's Club site to see the status of paper goods. Out of paper towels but toilet paper was still available online, although not at the local store.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
The argument for bars/restaurants that serve alcohol makes some sense to me, based on the idea that as people linger and drink more it's harder to enforce the rules. The gym thing is just bizarre.3 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh??
I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am 
but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
My sister's SO was notified that he had been exposed and got tested on Wednesday. The test is supposed to come back tomorrow, and I hope it does. She's self quarantining and not going to the grocery or anything.
(She doesn't have a car so is stressing about how to get tested if the other test does come back positive, but most likely here there are testing places in walking distance and she can call to ask how to do it.)3 -
WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh?? I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
Found this:
Common question
What if I have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19?
If you have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19, closely monitor yourself for any symptoms of COVID-19. You do not need to self-quarantine unless you develop symptoms or if the person identified as a close contact develops COVID-19.
Nov 5, 2020
Coronavirus (COVID-19) frequently asked questions | CDC
That said, might not be a bad idea to act like you have it.4 -
@MikePfirrman Re the oximeter, yes, I am just watching for my normal daily (have relatively controlled asthma) instead of watching for a particular number, so will watch for big variation. The one that didn't work would read a number for husband, but would not even give me a number.
The 12-15 yr age group seems to be really hit right now here.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
The argument for bars/restaurants that serve alcohol makes some sense to me, based on the idea that as people linger and drink more it's harder to enforce the rules. The gym thing is just bizarre.
It's just seems too little too late... lingering during the summer I saw. Lingering around outside during a NYC winter I do not see.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »WTH I was all set to get back to helping my sister on Monday when dh's test came back(assuming it came out negative). Now instead of 2-3 days, they told him it'll be 5-7 days.
And I agree Diatonic, either allergy or teething germs used to run amok through out my daycare. We'd all catch them
That's a bummer. I feel for you. The first time my daughter tested was after a confirmed exposure this summer, and her results took 14 & 16 days (tested twice 2 days apart, as 2 negs were recommended before normal contact back then). The exposure was 5 days prior to her first test, so both results came after her quarantine was over. Totally useless. And because it was useless, a waste of testing resources. Also a wasted effort was her 2 weeks of isolation and 3 other family members' 2 week quarantine. Really, a modicum, of project management could make the whole testing situation so much more useful.
Wow, talk about putting your life on hold.
It's frustrating to go through all that but then see photos of people everywhere, no proper masking, groups of a lot of people together, etc. Looking at our local paper this a.m., there were quite a few photos of sports teams, masks around their neck, hugging and jumping, I just do NOT understand. And this, after over 90 positive cases just a couple of weeks ago, all stemming from a hockey game. SMH Everybody says 'but you can't shut schools and sports down'. Well, if something drastic isn't done soon, I feel it'll happen eventually anyways.
I have a question though: dh tested this a.m. and received a bunch of information. I read through it all and still cannot figure out if *I* can go get groceries or not?? It only mentioned if a person tests positive or has been around anyone testing positive, from what I can see. He has not tested positive, has not been around anyone(that he knows of) that tested positive, AND he feels better today with no fever. Figures huh?? I mean I'm glad he's acting fine today, I really am but still life is on hold. I always wear a mask, keep my distance and use hand sanitizer. Now I'm realizing how NOT stocked up we are.
Found this:
Common question
What if I have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19?
If you have been around someone who was identified as a close contact to a person with COVID-19, closely monitor yourself for any symptoms of COVID-19. You do not need to self-quarantine unless you develop symptoms or if the person identified as a close contact develops COVID-19.
Nov 5, 2020
Coronavirus (COVID-19) frequently asked questions | CDC
That said, might not be a bad idea to act like you have it.
Thank you all for your replies; guess it's better to be safe than sorry. I certainly don't want to be that person creating a new local wave of sickness.
Also found out today if he ends up positive, my sister needs to let her home health care agency know right away because that means they cannot send anybody into her home. She has to self-quarantine for 2 weeks as well because up until a couple of days ago, I've been going to help her every day. Keeping my fingers crossed for oh so many reasons that he's negative. The fact that he looks, acts, feels fine today is a good sign, right? I feel if he had contracted it, it would hit him hard, being an overweight 69 yo smoker. 11 -
Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
As a complete contrast to the rest of the world, this is Auckland City this morning, following a new community case announced yesterday (most likely connected to another recent case of a Defence Force person who contracted it working at the Auckland quarantine hotel, based on preliminary genome testing, but no clear connection as to how/where the connection between the two is). No lockdown, CBD workers have just been advised to work from home if possible.
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paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
@paperpudding -- I'm happy for you that you have leadership there.11 -
Oh, and everyone (like, the entire country) is giving the absolute stink-eye to the new case's employer (clothing store), who made them go into work despite being symptomatic and awaiting COVID test results (case is a 20 year old student).6
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Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
So, some states of Aus are letting people from NZ in without having to do the 2 week supervised quarantine that applies to people from any other country??
I thought it was something like that but wasnt sure.
A 2 way travel bubble with New Zealand and possibly some South Pacific countries like Fiji, looks on the cards soon.
Unfortunately getting to see my daughter in UK, already post poned from August 2020, looks no closer on the horizon.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh, and everyone (like, the entire country) is giving the absolute stink-eye to the new case's employer (clothing store), who made them go into work despite being symptomatic and awaiting COVID test results (case is a 20 year old student).
and rightly so!!!
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MikePfirrman wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
@paperpudding -- I'm happy for you that you have leadership there.
oh there have been leadership mistakes - Ruby Princess in NSW was a disaster and Victorian government out sourcing of security for quarantine hotels - but the whole issue has not become politicised and neither the govt nor the opposition have contradicted their health advisors or encouraged 'Free anywhere' rallies
and that best be as far as I go - or mods will rap my knuckles for getting political
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paperpudding wrote: »Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
So, some states of Aus are letting people from NZ in without having to do the 2 week supervised quarantine that applies to people from any other country??
I thought it was something like that but wasnt sure.
A 2 way travel bubble with New Zealand and possibly some South Pacific countries like Fiji, looks on the cards soon.
Unfortunately getting to see my daughter in UK, already post poned from August 2020, looks no closer on the horizon.
Yup, currently only NSW, ACT, Vic, and Northern Territory - https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/new-zealand-safe-travel-zone0 -
Interesting.
I am in SA so not in above mentioned states (yes I'm sure you know that
but for benifit of other readers not as familiar with Aus states)
Surprised about Northern Territory - they have been very cautious. I expect some areas are still not open - indiginous communities at greater risk.
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paperpudding wrote: »Interesting.
I am in SA so not in above mentioned states (yes I'm sure you know that but for benifit of other readers not as familiar with Aus states)
Surprised about Northern Territory - they have been very cautious. I expect some areas are still not open - indiginous communities at greater risk.
Yeah, I though Queensland was on the list too, but obviously not.
I'm not sure how many are actually going over, given that they have to quarantine when they get back here, and would be unlikely to qualify for exemption from having to pay for their MIQ stay if they'd just gone to visit/holiday.1 -
yes it wont really work for tourist purposes until it is a 2 way bubble, no quarantine requirements either end.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NY just ordered all gyms and restaurants closed at 10pm on Friday. No more take out liquor. I'm having a sad.
So update on that... the governor meant a 10 o clock curfew on gyms and restaurants. Makes no sense since most gyms already close by that time and restaurants have to close by midnight.
Our state numbers are up to 2.9% positive. Arbitrary rules make no sense to me.
I know some of the 24 hour gyms just have someone sitting at the desk late nights. Maybe they think after 10 they won't be staffing with enough people to clean the place?
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This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html12 -
This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html
I cannot comprehend how people still think it's fine to do things like this and how anyone with any brains would go to something like it. Apparently they are all fine with others getting Covid. They could do a private wedding with just them and do one later with family and friends. They don't care about their loved ones? Selfish really.14 -
North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?11 -
This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html
I cannot comprehend how people still think it's fine to do things like this and how anyone with any brains would go to something like it. Apparently they are all fine with others getting Covid. They could do a private wedding with just them and do one later with family and friends. They don't care about their loved ones? Selfish really.
I completely agree. It's cases like this that are causing more spread and increasing the amount of time before we can get a better handle on this. I cannot help but feel bitter about the people who aren't taking this seriously enough because they're making it worse for the ones who are making the sacrifices to do right by everyone. I get so angry seeing all the pictures in our local paper, of sports teams, either not wearing masks or the masks are around their necks and they're all hugging in victory. Halloween parties, schools are remote one week then face-to-face the next. Then the next article tells of how cases are jumping everywhere in our small rural, previously pretty safe, state. Gee, ya think?????
Please people, it's not all about you, it's about everyone!! Consider others in your choices. Or maybe nobody else matters to you.11 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.10 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.13 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
I live in that county and I don't personally agree with the restrictions. I mean...we have to lock down the schools but hey sports can continue! Can't shut that down I guess. And I say that as a person who's kids high school has a high likelihood of winning state this year in football. Not allowing the band to go, limiting other extracurriculars but a sport where they don't wear masks and they are right up on each other is fine (and apparently so is basketball). My daughter was quarantined early this week because 2 girls on the color guard apparently did something (I heard it was a party) and tested positive...but waited until after they went to the football game and the we the people activity they had last weekend - which resulted in all the color guard, we the people, speech and debate, and a bunch of the theater kids (who have a play next week that may or may not happen) to be quarantined. But...my other daughter who is also in band, who rides with her sister to school, shares a house, bathroom, kitchen etc doesn't have to quarantine.
The rules and restrictions we are getting are pretty ridiculous and often have no consistency nor make much sense. We start virtual school next week...and I'm not a fan of paying that kind of money for them to sit in their rooms and not learn as much or get to do their extracurriculars when the sports teams still get to. Just let us go to school! Them going virtual while everything else is open is stupid.7 -
According to the article the positive people will only be treating Covid patients, so there shouldn’t be any more risk to general patients - the spaces to access Covid patients have already had Covid patients in them. The main problem seems to be mixing positive and not positive healthcare workers, which could be resolved by putting them in separate hospitals (if anyone had a lick of sense, which it seems they don’t).lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?
They sort of have to do this because the alternative is just letting everyone die without any healthcare whatsoever. They can build emergency beds but they can’t staff them, and calls to other states are facing the problem that multiple states have put out urgent calls for more healthcare workers.
Yeah, good point about the stress on asymptomatic people not being a great idea. It’s also theorized that higher viral load makes for worse cases so being exposed to more Coronavirus when you already have Covid isn’t a great plan.11 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.
When my county mayor initially issued a mask mandate, the county sherriff issued a statement saying he will not enforce it. Almost nobody follows the mask mandate here... and I am not surprised.6
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