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Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
So, some states of Aus are letting people from NZ in without having to do the 2 week supervised quarantine that applies to people from any other country??
I thought it was something like that but wasnt sure.
A 2 way travel bubble with New Zealand and possibly some South Pacific countries like Fiji, looks on the cards soon.
Unfortunately getting to see my daughter in UK, already post poned from August 2020, looks no closer on the horizon.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Oh, and everyone (like, the entire country) is giving the absolute stink-eye to the new case's employer (clothing store), who made them go into work despite being symptomatic and awaiting COVID test results (case is a 20 year old student).
and rightly so!!!
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MikePfirrman wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Good news from down under.
Whole of Australia: new cases yesterday: 12. Not a typo.
6 of those were locally acquired - ie community transmission
6 were overseas acquired - no risk to community as those people are in supervised hotel quarantine for 14 days - as are all people returning from anywhere overseas (except maybe New Zealand, not sure)
@paperpudding -- I'm happy for you that you have leadership there.
oh there have been leadership mistakes - Ruby Princess in NSW was a disaster and Victorian government out sourcing of security for quarantine hotels - but the whole issue has not become politicised and neither the govt nor the opposition have contradicted their health advisors or encouraged 'Free anywhere' rallies
and that best be as far as I go - or mods will rap my knuckles for getting political
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paperpudding wrote: »Yup, some states are letting us in due to our low risk status. We're not reciprocating as of yet, but those Aus numbers are looking good for the two way bubble happening soon. That will take some pressure off our currently at capacity MIQ facilities.
So, some states of Aus are letting people from NZ in without having to do the 2 week supervised quarantine that applies to people from any other country??
I thought it was something like that but wasnt sure.
A 2 way travel bubble with New Zealand and possibly some South Pacific countries like Fiji, looks on the cards soon.
Unfortunately getting to see my daughter in UK, already post poned from August 2020, looks no closer on the horizon.
Yup, currently only NSW, ACT, Vic, and Northern Territory - https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/new-zealand-safe-travel-zone0 -
Interesting.
I am in SA so not in above mentioned states (yes I'm sure you know that
but for benifit of other readers not as familiar with Aus states)
Surprised about Northern Territory - they have been very cautious. I expect some areas are still not open - indiginous communities at greater risk.
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paperpudding wrote: »Interesting.
I am in SA so not in above mentioned states (yes I'm sure you know that but for benifit of other readers not as familiar with Aus states)
Surprised about Northern Territory - they have been very cautious. I expect some areas are still not open - indiginous communities at greater risk.
Yeah, I though Queensland was on the list too, but obviously not.
I'm not sure how many are actually going over, given that they have to quarantine when they get back here, and would be unlikely to qualify for exemption from having to pay for their MIQ stay if they'd just gone to visit/holiday.1 -
yes it wont really work for tourist purposes until it is a 2 way bubble, no quarantine requirements either end.
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This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html12 -
This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html
I cannot comprehend how people still think it's fine to do things like this and how anyone with any brains would go to something like it. Apparently they are all fine with others getting Covid. They could do a private wedding with just them and do one later with family and friends. They don't care about their loved ones? Selfish really.14 -
North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.1 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?11 -
This a reminder of what happens when people still think that wearing masks, keeping social distance, mingling with friends and families, attending weddings and gathering, is still OK while the pandemic is rampant.
Maine wedding outbreak offers a cautionary Covid-19 tale for the holidays
So far, this one wedding reception has been linked to at least 178 Covid-19 infections, seven hospitalizations, and seven deaths, Maine CDC officials said. None of those who got seriously ill or died even went to the wedding, and many lived far away from the event, in situations where it was difficult or impossible to prevent spread.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/health/maine-wedding-holidays-covid/index.html
I cannot comprehend how people still think it's fine to do things like this and how anyone with any brains would go to something like it. Apparently they are all fine with others getting Covid. They could do a private wedding with just them and do one later with family and friends. They don't care about their loved ones? Selfish really.
I completely agree. It's cases like this that are causing more spread and increasing the amount of time before we can get a better handle on this. I cannot help but feel bitter about the people who aren't taking this seriously enough because they're making it worse for the ones who are making the sacrifices to do right by everyone.
I get so angry seeing all the pictures in our local paper, of sports teams, either not wearing masks or the masks are around their necks and they're all hugging in victory. Halloween parties, schools are remote one week then face-to-face the next. Then the next article tells of how cases are jumping everywhere in our small rural, previously pretty safe, state. Gee, ya think?????
Please people, it's not all about you, it's about everyone!! Consider others in your choices. Or maybe nobody else matters to you.11 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.10 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.13 -
So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
I live in that county and I don't personally agree with the restrictions. I mean...we have to lock down the schools but hey sports can continue! Can't shut that down I guess. And I say that as a person who's kids high school has a high likelihood of winning state this year in football. Not allowing the band to go, limiting other extracurriculars but a sport where they don't wear masks and they are right up on each other is fine (and apparently so is basketball). My daughter was quarantined early this week because 2 girls on the color guard apparently did something (I heard it was a party) and tested positive...but waited until after they went to the football game and the we the people activity they had last weekend - which resulted in all the color guard, we the people, speech and debate, and a bunch of the theater kids (who have a play next week that may or may not happen) to be quarantined. But...my other daughter who is also in band, who rides with her sister to school, shares a house, bathroom, kitchen etc doesn't have to quarantine.
The rules and restrictions we are getting are pretty ridiculous and often have no consistency nor make much sense. We start virtual school next week...and I'm not a fan of paying that kind of money for them to sit in their rooms and not learn as much or get to do their extracurriculars when the sports teams still get to. Just let us go to school! Them going virtual while everything else is open is stupid.7 -
According to the article the positive people will only be treating Covid patients, so there shouldn’t be any more risk to general patients - the spaces to access Covid patients have already had Covid patients in them. The main problem seems to be mixing positive and not positive healthcare workers, which could be resolved by putting them in separate hospitals (if anyone had a lick of sense, which it seems they don’t).lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?
They sort of have to do this because the alternative is just letting everyone die without any healthcare whatsoever. They can build emergency beds but they can’t staff them, and calls to other states are facing the problem that multiple states have put out urgent calls for more healthcare workers.
Yeah, good point about the stress on asymptomatic people not being a great idea. It’s also theorized that higher viral load makes for worse cases so being exposed to more Coronavirus when you already have Covid isn’t a great plan.11 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.
When my county mayor initially issued a mask mandate, the county sherriff issued a statement saying he will not enforce it. Almost nobody follows the mask mandate here... and I am not surprised.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.
When my county mayor initially issued a mask mandate, the county sherriff issued a statement saying he will not enforce it. Almost nobody follows the mask mandate here... and I am not surprised.
The Governor here (Minnesota) made some new mandates that go into effect here today. As with many states, it’s running rampant here now. Some of the mandates are clearly unenforceable. Limiting the number of families in private homes for Thanksgiving. He’s hoping people’s common sense, which seems non existent in many people, will prevail, and they’ll do the right thing. Seems kind of hopeless and gets more concerning by the day.9 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?
If people understand it's just COVID nurses, then they might not get fussed about it. But people only read headlines and not articles so it may be an issue. And I know for a fact that if that were here in TN, people would indeed use it as an excuse to justify not quarantining. Many already used attitudes and actions by our national government leaders to justify ignoring the guidelines. That's why we are courting trouble. Flu season hits us here hard in Dec and Jan. The hospital system has already said that they are stretched as is, and despite trying to hire 350 nurses (I'm not sure there are any where near that available with everyone else in the state looking for nurses), if we have a normal flu season, we WILL be in trouble.
One thing they are working on here is taking workers like LPNs and CNAs and training them to assist nurses to take over parts of the workload RNs handle to free them up for the extra patient load. But at some point, if it gets bad enough, people will just get substandard care. The nurses will try. I'm really very discouraged by some of our countrymen and women's behavior.
One of the families in our homeschool co-op insisted on having a class this semester in person. No masks. Outside on a screened in patio but... an 1.5 hour class? Is the ventilation good enough? Her husband runs a computer programming consulting business. They could easily just had a Zoom class.
One of her sons got exposed elsewhere (he's not in the class) and is quarantined, but before that he was in constant contact with everyone in the large household. He is separated from everyone else right now, but no one else in the house got tested. And they aren't quarantining either. He finally got his "negative" test, but it took 4 days to get the result and he still had about 4 days of quarantine left. So they don't really know if he is infected or not for sure, hence the length of quarantines. But they had class yesterday. She "full disclosured" prior with a FB message in the co-op group (this is how I know) and said that anyone who was worried about it could message her and miss class, and she'd give them what they missed. Why not just not have class since they were all exposed? I know the folks and how they are so I know they all went to the class. Ignorance? Or justification for doing what they want, half complying to the guidelines, but not fully-complying out of spite? I know 2 of her college-age kids have a science background. What on earth, guys?
The hospitals and mayors have begged us to stay home when we don't have to go to work, school, or get groceries. A large section of our folk aren't listening. I don't know if I mentioned up-thread but the hospital system told us they have cases directly traced from trick-or-treating and Halloween events already. At least our town finally got that we can't do the Xmas parade. I think what they saw at the Halloween event that thousands of people will show and not distance or mask so there is no safe way to hold the parade.5 -
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According to the article the positive people will only be treating Covid patients, so there shouldn’t be any more risk to general patients - the spaces to access Covid patients have already had Covid patients in them. The main problem seems to be mixing positive and not positive healthcare workers, which could be resolved by putting them in separate hospitals (if anyone had a lick of sense, which it seems they don’t).lynn_glenmont wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »North Dakota's governor announced the state will allow healthcare workers who have tested positive for Covid-19 to continue working in coronavirus units, officials announced this week.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/north-dakota-lets-healthcare-workers-covid-stay-job-record-surge-n1247487
Was very surprised to see this.
It will be interesting to see how the general public in North Dakota responds. Do people become reluctant to go to hospitals for treatment when they should, because they think they'll catch covid there? Do they use this as an example to justify not quarantining themselves when they're covid-positive but asymptomatic?
I'm also wondering if anyone has studied the effects of stress and long hours of physical work on initially asymptomatic cases. Will this put asymptomatic health care workers at greater risk of becoming symptomatic?
If things are so bad in terms of cases outweighing local resources, it seems a little short-sighted for the only government response to be, "let's let covid-positive health care workers continue working." What's next? Let's let folks without medical training start performing surgery?
Isolating patients by condition in different hospitals isn't really a good option in parts of the country where you're lucky if there's a hospital within 100 miles. You'd have people dying because they couldn't get to a hospital that would take them within the time they needed care.
And if you're mixing positive and not positive healthcare workers in the same facility (in break rooms, lockers, hallways, elevators, etc.), you're effectively mixing the patients as well. Each currently "non-positive" healthcare worker becomes a potential covid transmission vector to their patients every time they cross the paths, recently vacated air space, and recently touched surfaces of covid-positive health care workers.They sort of have to do this because the alternative is just letting everyone die without any healthcare whatsoever. They can build emergency beds but they can’t staff them, and calls to other states are facing the problem that multiple states have put out urgent calls for more healthcare workers.
They have to do this because they have consistently refused to make any effort, in terms of closures, capacity limits, mask wearing, or even public messaging, to try to restrict transmission. And even when faced with having to rely on covid-positive health care workers to treat patients -- and has anyone considered the possibility that a covid-positive patient could be infected by a different mutated strain that a health care worker has, or the possibility that exposure to an infected health care worker could increase the patient's viral load? -- they still act as though the only way to address the problem of too many cases is to take previously unacceptable measures to maintain or increase available health care staff, and ignoring the possibility of taking measures to reduce cases.Yeah, good point about the stress on asymptomatic people not being a great idea. It’s also theorized that higher viral load makes for worse cases so being exposed to more Coronavirus when you already have Covid isn’t a great plan.
Yeah, not good for the health care workers, and not good for the patients either, then. Maybe North Dakota's next step could be to look for anyone whose licenses to practice have been taken away from, and put them back in the hospitals. Any "angels of death" available that could help the staffing problem?
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »So Marion county (county just south of where I live and the county that has Indianapolis) has decided to put in tighter restrictions even if the governor won't do it for the state. They are setting a lower number for gatherings then the state says they have to, reducing occupancy limits for restaurants and other indoor venues, and all schools will be going back to virtual until at least the middle of January. There are others, but those are the ones that will have the biggest impact I think.
I mean... I am glad one area is taking things more seriously but it's still not enough. Too much will still be open. Heck, churches can still operate at 75% capacity. Guess people think you can't get it at church or some BS like that.
16 US Governors have openly stated that if a mask mandate is national, they will balk at it and tell their citizens they can do whatever they want. And it's blowing up in those states. I'm sure my governor is one of them.
This is why, some days, I can't help but be pessimistic. It is a fend for yourself free-for-all that didn't need to happen.
When my county mayor initially issued a mask mandate, the county sherriff issued a statement saying he will not enforce it. Almost nobody follows the mask mandate here... and I am not surprised.
Same. Ish.
In our instance, our mayor issued it, but when asked about the mandate by the local news reporter, he said he wasn't going to make anyone enforce it. But now the regions' mayors wrote a letter begging people to mask, distance, stay at home if it is not essential to be out, and not gather. I'm not shocked in the slightest it is still being ignored.
You've probably heard dear Mr. Lee has been told by the White House Task Force more than once we should reinstate business capacity restrictions and the large gathering restrictions. We all notice he hasn't listened to them.
Pandora's box was opened with disdain and downplaying attitudes, and we aren't going to be able to stuff this back in the box now anyway. There's no hope for us here. Maybe in Jan when the hospitals are full, people are sick and/or losing loved ones at a rapid pace...but I don't see many of my folk here changing their attitudes even then. It's very sad to see.9 -
as of this week i'm officially a two-time covid haver. this time it's mild at least, but i have zero appetite and it's making my eating disorder want to act up.
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cosmiqrecovery wrote: »as of this week i'm officially a two-time covid haver. this time it's mild at least, but i have zero appetite and it's making my eating disorder want to act up.
Wow, very interesting. How between the two times was it? Did you get a test both times? Did you test negative after you had it the first time and recovered? Sorry for all the questions I am just very interested in those who have had it twice because we are still unsure of how much immunity having it once provides. You say it was worst the first time right?
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this again though. I hope you feel better ASAP sending hugs.5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »as of this week i'm officially a two-time covid haver. this time it's mild at least, but i have zero appetite and it's making my eating disorder want to act up.
Wow, very interesting. How between the two times was it? Did you get a test both times? Did you test negative after you had it the first time and recovered? Sorry for all the questions I am just very interested in those who have had it twice because we are still unsure of how much immunity having it once provides. You say it was worst the first time right?
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this again though. I hope you feel better ASAP sending hugs.
thank you, and that's okay questions are fine! i half meant my comment as an unspoken AMA anyway.
so my first bout was in march, before testing was widely available. there was a point where i was having horrible chest pains that scared me into going to the er and i tried to get tested there, but the nurse said they had *SIXTEEN TESTS* to last the *MONTH* so unless you were elderly or dying you got nothing but a bill for time wasted. this time my fiance caught it first and we both got tested as soon as more severe symptoms started. their test came back positive, mine came back negative, but 1. it was rapid testing and we were warned in advance that false results are more likely that way, and 2. we live together so they had already been coughing around me, no tmi but we had been intimate, and i just figured it was inevitable that i'd get it. we still went through the motions of quarantining separately in the same house for a few days, just in case i still had some antibodies left in me, but wednesday i started showing the same symptoms in the same order. this time is like nothing compared to march though. right now i'm fatigued, my chest feels a bit heavy, i can't eat worth a damn and i have a slight cough. last time it took me about a day of symptoms to cough myself mute. not hoarse, fully mute. it was like living in one of those nightmares where suddenly you can't scream. i could barely walk the full perimeter of my 500sqf apartment without needing a break. every muscle and bone in my body hurt like i'd been hit by a truck. it was pure distilled hell, and it's why i've taken this stuff so seriously since the beginning, it's really a russian roulette situation. sure you're probably going to get a mild case, but when you don't? goooooood luck14 -
cosmiqrecovery wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »as of this week i'm officially a two-time covid haver. this time it's mild at least, but i have zero appetite and it's making my eating disorder want to act up.
Wow, very interesting. How between the two times was it? Did you get a test both times? Did you test negative after you had it the first time and recovered? Sorry for all the questions I am just very interested in those who have had it twice because we are still unsure of how much immunity having it once provides. You say it was worst the first time right?
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this again though. I hope you feel better ASAP sending hugs.
thank you, and that's okay questions are fine! i half meant my comment as an unspoken AMA anyway.
so my first bout was in march, before testing was widely available. there was a point where i was having horrible chest pains that scared me into going to the er and i tried to get tested there, but the nurse said they had *SIXTEEN TESTS* to last the *MONTH* so unless you were elderly or dying you got nothing but a bill for time wasted. this time my fiance caught it first and we both got tested as soon as more severe symptoms started. their test came back positive, mine came back negative, but 1. it was rapid testing and we were warned in advance that false results are more likely that way, and 2. we live together so they had already been coughing around me, no tmi but we had been intimate, and i just figured it was inevitable that i'd get it. we still went through the motions of quarantining separately in the same house for a few days, just in case i still had some antibodies left in me, but wednesday i started showing the same symptoms in the same order. this time is like nothing compared to march though. right now i'm fatigued, my chest feels a bit heavy, i can't eat worth a damn and i have a slight cough. last time it took me about a day of symptoms to cough myself mute. not hoarse, fully mute. it was like living in one of those nightmares where suddenly you can't scream. i could barely walk the full perimeter of my 500sqf apartment without needing a break. every muscle and bone in my body hurt like i'd been hit by a truck. it was pure distilled hell, and it's why i've taken this stuff so seriously since the beginning, it's really a russian roulette situation. sure you're probably going to get a mild case, but when you don't? goooooood luck
@cosmiqrecovery, I'm so sorry you're going through this . . . even once, let alone a second time. It's generous of you to come here and answer questions.
Sending strength-rays in your direction, packaged up with wishes that you and your fiance have a full recovery, and very soon.
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cosmiqrecovery wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »cosmiqrecovery wrote: »as of this week i'm officially a two-time covid haver. this time it's mild at least, but i have zero appetite and it's making my eating disorder want to act up.
Wow, very interesting. How between the two times was it? Did you get a test both times? Did you test negative after you had it the first time and recovered? Sorry for all the questions I am just very interested in those who have had it twice because we are still unsure of how much immunity having it once provides. You say it was worst the first time right?
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this again though. I hope you feel better ASAP sending hugs.
thank you, and that's okay questions are fine! i half meant my comment as an unspoken AMA anyway.
so my first bout was in march, before testing was widely available. there was a point where i was having horrible chest pains that scared me into going to the er and i tried to get tested there, but the nurse said they had *SIXTEEN TESTS* to last the *MONTH* so unless you were elderly or dying you got nothing but a bill for time wasted. this time my fiance caught it first and we both got tested as soon as more severe symptoms started. their test came back positive, mine came back negative, but 1. it was rapid testing and we were warned in advance that false results are more likely that way, and 2. we live together so they had already been coughing around me, no tmi but we had been intimate, and i just figured it was inevitable that i'd get it. we still went through the motions of quarantining separately in the same house for a few days, just in case i still had some antibodies left in me, but wednesday i started showing the same symptoms in the same order. this time is like nothing compared to march though. right now i'm fatigued, my chest feels a bit heavy, i can't eat worth a damn and i have a slight cough. last time it took me about a day of symptoms to cough myself mute. not hoarse, fully mute. it was like living in one of those nightmares where suddenly you can't scream. i could barely walk the full perimeter of my 500sqf apartment without needing a break. every muscle and bone in my body hurt like i'd been hit by a truck. it was pure distilled hell, and it's why i've taken this stuff so seriously since the beginning, it's really a russian roulette situation. sure you're probably going to get a mild case, but when you don't? goooooood luck
@cosmiqrecovery, I'm so sorry you're going through this . . . even once, let alone a second time. It's generous of you to come here and answer questions.
Sending strength-rays in your direction, packaged up with wishes that you and your fiance have a full recovery, and very soon.
Keep us posted, OK? ((Virtual Hugs))
thank you, hugs and well wishes back to you
we're both just glad it's not as serious as last time. we'll get through it fine. and hey if my anecdotal experience can help someone be more serious about covid, i'll post my story everywhere, yknow? like i'm in my mid-twenties, i'm a bodybuilder, a runner, a vegan, all kinds of labels people might see and assume i'm too healthy to get hit with even close to the worst of this disease, but i did anyway. it literally doesn't matter what level of health you're at before, if you pick up a nasty strain it'll knock you on your happy a*s regardless. 12 -
I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.18 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
/takes the deep breath before the plunge into "Disagree" oblivion
Could you have stepped back, held your breath, and then pulled down your mask just long enough so the clerk could see your face? Or, did she want total removal for the entire transaction?
I would bet money that her manager insisted she check faces to confirm IDs. There is a middle ground to be had here, but it would depend on how snotty the clerk was being about it...
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Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
Last spring there was a story about a store in New York city that had a sign up saying that there were no masks allowed in the store. Have no idea how that all shook out over time.
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Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
Last spring there was a story about a store in New York city that had a sign up saying that there were no masks allowed in the store. Have no idea how that all shook out over time.
It wasn't no masks allowed in store... it was pull your mask down and get your face captured by the door with the camera before you can enter. The store owner was robbed 3 times i believe before installing that rule.8
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