Coronavirus prep
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baconslave wrote: »baconslave wrote: »I admit to not reading everything here and all around the internet related to Covid, but I'm wondering if there are any stats out yet, regarding side effects from getting Covid vaccines? I hear stories here and there, positive and negative, but am wondering if there's anything with greater numbers involved. Maybe too early to tell?
Thanks all
Anecdotal, but my Dad (76) got the Moderna vaccine on Wed. He said he got some chills that night, and the injection site was a little sore the next day. That was it. He's doing fine.
Not related to Reenie's post but I'm in northeastern TN, and Dad got vaxed Wed thanks to serendipity. The local health dept still has no vaccine (it's been 15 days since they ran out on the first day of 75+, which is weird b/c we have a lot of anti-vaxxers here). But a FB friend who works at the VA hospital posted about a Veteran's vaccine clinic. Dad went and was in and out in 15 min.
This is an example of one of the problems. The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. Dad IS on the VA's Covid Vaccine email notification list. He never got one. The local papers and news don't know about it. If I hadn't logged into FB, and the VA nurse hadn't posted a link, Dad would still be waiting. He gets the second one Feb 28th. This is great news for my oldest who is starting her second semester of her freshman year and has a service learning class for her Honors scholarship which will occasionally be meeting in person (masked and distanced.) I would prefer to not expose the other kids and my husband, but she is a very conscientious young woman and will be very careful to maintain distance and mask properly. As it is, it will be the fall before the rest of us get ours most likely.
305 days of mostly locked down. I'm so tired mentally. Community spread is still bad here. Hubby said mask compliance was worse than it's been in awhile yesterday when he went grocerying. Locally, people have learned nothing apparently.
I know my husband's family hasn't. It's sad when insisting on living your lifestyle undeterred by a pandemic is more important than spending time with your grandkids.
One of my employees who’s been remoting in since April texted me this weekend ... She has auto-immune issues which make her more vulnerable to the virus. Her bf’s family is very touchy-feely and has been throughout the whole thing in spite of her protests “But we’re FAMILY!” When my staffer and her bf stopped going over because no masks/physical distancing and surprise guests, the family started coming to them. 🤬
Bf was positive as of Friday. She now has symptoms (one bedroom apartment). And his mom is in the hospital due to COVID. 😢
Oh boy! I hope she's ok. That's unfortunate about the bf's mom.
Thanks. She feels worse today. 😞 Because she is 100% remote, campus is not managing her and her insurance won’t test her yet!? (Not the first time I’ve heard that.) We are blessed with additional paid COVID-specific leave from the campus, so she’ll use that and save her accrued leave.
We’re doing a drop-off of stuff tomorrow at her apartment.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'll get the vaccine when my turn comes, but I can't say I'm too unhappy about being in the last priority (general public) group, because going into an enclosed space with dozens or scores of people lined up and waiting will be pretty much the highest-risk thing I've done since the pandemic began, except maybe for giving blood, but I'm expecting the waiting areas for the vaccine to have a lot more people in them than a blood drive. I'm not eager for the irony of getting covid while waiting in line for the vaccine.
Hopefully by the time my turn comes, we won't be in a surge, we won't be facing a brand new mutation that is creating greater transmission, and the effect of all the earlier priority groups getting vaccinated will be tamping down on the spread (assuming that at least some of the vaccines limit the recipients' ability to spread the vaccine).
Maybe it's not happening in your area, but at least some of the local vaccination sites seem to be gearing up for drive-though, so you wait in a *longer* line (in distance, not necessarily number of people), but in your car.
This is true even with our Northern winters (freezing temps, so 32 +/- 10, daytimes, right now, but can go to zero F and below).
In some cases, from photos seen, the medical folks are in a tent. Others seem to be talking about using buildings that have a drive-through route that's normally used for things event set-up or vehicle service. Examples are livestock exhibition fairgrounds-type structures, big conference facilities, former auto-service buildings.
Not vax, but I was impressed with the organization and sanitation measures at a drive-through Covid test I took in the Fall, required before I could do an important outpatient surgical procedure.
I'd be much more comfortable with a drive-through scenario, and there has been talk about that locally, and it makes sense from the standpoint of reaching the volume of jabs they want to reach. But I kept thinking of all the news footage we saw they first rolled the vaccine out for health care workers, and there were a dozen or so people sitting in socially distanced chairs, with nearly as many people tending to them, and they were being asked to stay for observation for 5 or 10 minutes, and longer if they had a history of allergic reactions to vaccines.
FWIW, and I should've mentioned this in my first comment about the drive throughs: What I've heard from folks is that after one has the vax, they have you park in a designated area for the 15 minute (or whatever) waiting period, and a medical staff person is nearby, keeping an eye on the people in the cars in case of allergic reactions.
The health care staff people getting vaccinations have probably been working around the same people giving them vaccinations for months now, and probably at times in closer proximity to the vaccinators, for longer time intervals, during work than during the vaccination process. It's a whole different scenario.
(I have seen stuff about indoor in-person vaccination scenarios for the general public, though - not really enough to generalize about conditions, though.)
ETA: Fix to incorrectly included quote. 😬
Thanks. That sounds like a good approach. I hope that's they way they do it here as they move out to larger parts of the public. (So far, even though they're doing a good job of getting all the vaccine doses they receive into people's arms quickly, it's still less than 2% of the county population, assuming they've all been administered as first doses -- so, less than 1% of the number of doses they would need to fully vaccinate everyone.)
This isn't exactly a direct reply to you, but, yeah, samesies, though I don't know the percentages.
I got an email update today from my county health department (where I'm signed up to be notified when appointments are available). The heart of it:This email is to inform you that either we do not currently have open appointments for your priority group OR your prioritization group is not yet eligible . Please rest assured we will be in touch as soon as your priority group and available appointments allow. We appreciate your patience.
When I signed up, I checked the 65+ box, but didn't claim complicating medical conditions. I have early COPD, but since it's not creating any life limitations (I'm still able to do quite-intense exercise, for example), I don't feel like I should be bumped up much in priority for that, compared to others at higher risk. As more has come out about risk factors, I'm less convinced that Covid would be likely to kill me (long-term complications, maybe), so I figure I'm OK to be at the priority for other healthy 65+. Ya never know, of course . . . and I'm still doing many things to limit my exposure.
Meanwhile, I heard this morning that my state (Michigan) has gotten a waiver to reallocate doses from the supply held by pharmacies for congregate facilities (where they have more supply than demand/distribution capacity currently) to the supply available to continue providing dose #1 to the eligible segment of the public (where demand has outpaced supply). I'm not 100% certain this is solid: It came from a usually-sound mainstream media source, but so far I haven't found other sources that corroborate (not even a press release from the state, which makes me wonder if it's accurate).
Anything’s possible. But I would think the logistics could get tricky as both vaccines have a rather short shelf life after they’re thawed (and can’t be refrozen). And there are multiple doses per vial. Hope so—it’d be great to be able to redistribute doses to where they’re most needed.
Our campus on-site staff are next in line for vaccination. My appointment is this Friday. So excited! It’s been sheer luck that I haven’t gotten sick so far. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 I’m careful, but around so many people. And I deliver stuff to people in quarantine and isolation.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'll get the vaccine when my turn comes, but I can't say I'm too unhappy about being in the last priority (general public) group, because going into an enclosed space with dozens or scores of people lined up and waiting will be pretty much the highest-risk thing I've done since the pandemic began, except maybe for giving blood, but I'm expecting the waiting areas for the vaccine to have a lot more people in them than a blood drive. I'm not eager for the irony of getting covid while waiting in line for the vaccine.
Hopefully by the time my turn comes, we won't be in a surge, we won't be facing a brand new mutation that is creating greater transmission, and the effect of all the earlier priority groups getting vaccinated will be tamping down on the spread (assuming that at least some of the vaccines limit the recipients' ability to spread the vaccine).
Maybe it's not happening in your area, but at least some of the local vaccination sites seem to be gearing up for drive-though, so you wait in a *longer* line (in distance, not necessarily number of people), but in your car.
This is true even with our Northern winters (freezing temps, so 32 +/- 10, daytimes, right now, but can go to zero F and below).
In some cases, from photos seen, the medical folks are in a tent. Others seem to be talking about using buildings that have a drive-through route that's normally used for things event set-up or vehicle service. Examples are livestock exhibition fairgrounds-type structures, big conference facilities, former auto-service buildings.
Not vax, but I was impressed with the organization and sanitation measures at a drive-through Covid test I took in the Fall, required before I could do an important outpatient surgical procedure.
I'd be much more comfortable with a drive-through scenario, and there has been talk about that locally, and it makes sense from the standpoint of reaching the volume of jabs they want to reach. But I kept thinking of all the news footage we saw they first rolled the vaccine out for health care workers, and there were a dozen or so people sitting in socially distanced chairs, with nearly as many people tending to them, and they were being asked to stay for observation for 5 or 10 minutes, and longer if they had a history of allergic reactions to vaccines.
FWIW, and I should've mentioned this in my first comment about the drive throughs: What I've heard from folks is that after one has the vax, they have you park in a designated area for the 15 minute (or whatever) waiting period, and a medical staff person is nearby, keeping an eye on the people in the cars in case of allergic reactions.
The health care staff people getting vaccinations have probably been working around the same people giving them vaccinations for months now, and probably at times in closer proximity to the vaccinators, for longer time intervals, during work than during the vaccination process. It's a whole different scenario.
(I have seen stuff about indoor in-person vaccination scenarios for the general public, though - not really enough to generalize about conditions, though.)
ETA: Fix to incorrectly included quote. 😬
Thanks. That sounds like a good approach. I hope that's they way they do it here as they move out to larger parts of the public. (So far, even though they're doing a good job of getting all the vaccine doses they receive into people's arms quickly, it's still less than 2% of the county population, assuming they've all been administered as first doses -- so, less than 1% of the number of doses they would need to fully vaccinate everyone.)
This isn't exactly a direct reply to you, but, yeah, samesies, though I don't know the percentages.
I got an email update today from my county health department (where I'm signed up to be notified when appointments are available). The heart of it:This email is to inform you that either we do not currently have open appointments for your priority group OR your prioritization group is not yet eligible . Please rest assured we will be in touch as soon as your priority group and available appointments allow. We appreciate your patience.
When I signed up, I checked the 65+ box, but didn't claim complicating medical conditions. I have early COPD, but since it's not creating any life limitations (I'm still able to do quite-intense exercise, for example), I don't feel like I should be bumped up much in priority for that, compared to others at higher risk. As more has come out about risk factors, I'm less convinced that Covid would be likely to kill me (long-term complications, maybe), so I figure I'm OK to be at the priority for other healthy 65+. Ya never know, of course . . . and I'm still doing many things to limit my exposure.
Meanwhile, I heard this morning that my state (Michigan) has gotten a waiver to reallocate doses from the supply held by pharmacies for congregate facilities (where they have more supply than demand/distribution capacity currently) to the supply available to continue providing dose #1 to the eligible segment of the public (where demand has outpaced supply). I'm not 100% certain this is solid: It came from a usually-sound mainstream media source, but so far I haven't found other sources that corroborate (not even a press release from the state, which makes me wonder if it's accurate).
Anything’s possible. But I would think the logistics could get tricky as both vaccines have a rather short shelf life after they’re thawed (and can’t be refrozen). And there are multiple doses per vial. Hope so—it’d be great to be able to redistribute doses to where they’re most needed.
Our campus on-site staff are next in line for vaccination. My appointment is this Friday. So excited! It’s been sheer luck that I haven’t gotten sick so far. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 I’m careful, but around so many people. And I deliver stuff to people in quarantine and isolation.
It's not a few random doses sitting around unadministered somewhere, it's 60,000 doses being reallocated to start . . . happening way up the supply chain, still frozen. I finally found some reports on it, such as:
https://www.crainsdetroit.com/coronavirus/michigan-dip-covid-19-vaccine-bank-double-expected-vaccine-supply4 -
Our vaccine delivery from Pfizer is behind here in Italy. Promises, promises from Pfizer......3
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baconslave wrote: »I admit to not reading everything here and all around the internet related to Covid, but I'm wondering if there are any stats out yet, regarding side effects from getting Covid vaccines? I hear stories here and there, positive and negative, but am wondering if there's anything with greater numbers involved. Maybe too early to tell?
Thanks all
Anecdotal, but my Dad (76) got the Moderna vaccine on Wed. He said he got some chills that night, and the injection site was a little sore the next day. That was it. He's doing fine.
Not related to Reenie's post but I'm in northeastern TN, and Dad got vaxed Wed thanks to serendipity. The local health dept still has no vaccine (it's been 15 days since they ran out on the first day of 75+, which is weird b/c we have a lot of anti-vaxxers here). But a FB friend who works at the VA hospital posted about a Veteran's vaccine clinic. Dad went and was in and out in 15 min.
This is an example of one of the problems. The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. Dad IS on the VA's Covid Vaccine email notification list. He never got one. The local papers and news don't know about it. If I hadn't logged into FB, and the VA nurse hadn't posted a link, Dad would still be waiting. He gets the second one Feb 28th. This is great news for my oldest who is starting her second semester of her freshman year and has a service learning class for her Honors scholarship which will occasionally be meeting in person (masked and distanced.) I would prefer to not expose the other kids and my husband, but she is a very conscientious young woman and will be very careful to maintain distance and mask properly. As it is, it will be the fall before the rest of us get ours most likely.
305 days of mostly locked down. I'm so tired mentally. Community spread is still bad here. Hubby said mask compliance was worse than it's been in awhile yesterday when he went grocerying. Locally, people have learned nothing apparently. I know my husband's family hasn't. It's sad when insisting on living your lifestyle undeterred by a pandemic is more important than spending time with your grandkids.
One of my employees who’s been remoting in since April texted me this weekend ... She has auto-immune issues which make her more vulnerable to the virus. Her bf’s family is very touchy-feely and has been throughout the whole thing in spite of her protests “But we’re FAMILY!” When my staffer and her bf stopped going over because no masks/physical distancing and surprise guests, the family started coming to them. 🤬
Bf was positive as of Friday. She now has symptoms (one bedroom apartment). And his mom is in the hospital due to COVID. 😢
Wow, that's so sad the family didn't listen and has now 'spread the love'.
I hope everyone recovers with no issues!! I'd be so angry if I were in that situation. 8 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »They actually cancelled 4000+ appointments here last week because they were out of vaccines. My aunt and uncle who are both over 75 had their appointments cancelled without word of when they can reschedule.
If it helps @ReenieHJ , this is my experience. I got my second dose early this morning. After the first one I just felt achey like I do after the flu shot and tired. This time I feel way more crappy. I have a slight elevation in temp (100.1, which is high for me because I usually run 97), body aches and chills, headache, swollen glands, fatigue, and just feel like I have a bad cold. It is still way better than having COVID though and I am sure I will feel better in a day or two. My friend got his second dose and just has some mild arm soreness again, so it really is dependent on the person.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you're 100% today! This is kind of what I'm expecting from it all but the apprehension(sometimes) is worse than the actual experience. So I'll just get it and hope for the best. I'm such a baby overthinking everything ahead of time but when it comes down to it, I just muckle on through it.
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400,000 🙏🏻
Beautiful remembrance at the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/19/ap_21019815622881_wide-1e5da84502fafea22bb47433cdf9157c95d32145-s700-c85.jpg
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missysippy930 wrote: »400,000 🙏🏻
Beautiful remembrance at the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2021/01/19/ap_21019815622881_wide-1e5da84502fafea22bb47433cdf9157c95d32145-s700-c85.jpg
The Field of Flags is really something, too, to represent those who cannot attend because of the pandemic:
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Just found out I'll be in the phase 1B here in NM. I've been told to expect my vaccination sometime in the next 3 to 4 weeks. We are already in phase 1B here, but they are focusing first on those 75+, and then essential workers.13
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I had my vaccine this afternoon. The hospital had a good system set up; I was quite impressed. In/out in 30 minutes. Never felt the needle and no soreness tonight. 28 more days for #2.23
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The local news had a piece tonight on how to make an appointment with one of the hospital networks for the vaccine. I tried it and it worked. My husband should get his shot a month from now. I'm under 65, so I'll probably have to wait a few more months, but since he is high risk I feel happy that at least he'll have some protection. I checked the online newspapers for our area and they just gave a list of places that will eventually be doing vaccinations when they get enough doses, but nothing about the one place that you can make an actual appointment. You can also ask to be put on a waitlist in case anything opens up earlier, which I did.10
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My husband and I both qualified for the vaccine under 1B1 because my daughter's family lives with us, including 2 children. He is almost 70, and I'm 63. They opened the fairgrounds for drive through vaccine appointments and it filled up in 30 minutes before running out of vaccine. Then, our clinic's website said it would start taking appt. for 1B1 this morning. I checked their website every two hours starting at midnight and sometime after 4 a.m. they uploaded the appointment link. At 6 am, we both attempted to get online to book an appointment and my spouse made it through, has an appt for Sunday. I didn't make it through, the website kept crashing. At 8 am I got through on the phone line, only to get the message that they were done taking appts for the vaccine. The local hospital was also taking appointments, only by phone and I called every 2 to 5 minutes for hours but got a busy signal every time. So, now I wait. I'm glad my husband got in though. He's older and has asthma. They want the kids to get back in school but my daughter won't send hers until it's safe for us. She's an elementary school teacher but she has a waiver for in person teaching until March/April. Hopefully we'll all be vaccinated by then.
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Wow, Iowa changed their plans today. Phase. 1b will now be down to age 65! Not sure when or how we can sign up yet, but hopeful it will be early Feb.1
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I had my vaccine this afternoon. The hospital had a good system set up; I was quite impressed. In/out in 30 minutes. Never felt the needle and no soreness tonight. 28 more days for #2.
@ReenieHJ congrats. Daughter said the same on the day, but at 24 hours had a solid "flu" but was great today at 48 hours. Was talking to a friend about my daughter and she claimed had heard young people had more of that "flu" feeling than older. That is only hearsay, but thought I would pass it on.5 -
I had my vaccine this afternoon. The hospital had a good system set up; I was quite impressed. In/out in 30 minutes. Never felt the needle and no soreness tonight. 28 more days for #2.
@ReenieHJ congrats. Daughter said the same on the day, but at 24 hours had a solid "flu" but was great today at 48 hours. Was talking to a friend about my daughter and she claimed had heard young people had more of that "flu" feeling than older. That is only hearsay, but thought I would pass it on.
Glad she's feeling better and got the vaccine!
Last night(about 30 hrs. after the vaccine) I felt a little achy and had a few chills, took a couple Tylenol and am fine this a.m. aside from a little soreness in my arm.
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They'll be offering the vaccine this next week to 75+ and my sister's in that group. Her possible reaction worries me a lot!! She has Fibromyalgia, IBS, had Iritis, has inflammatory issues such as arthritis, wasn't able to tolerate regular flu vaccines so hasn't taken them for many years. She seems to have so many things in her system that go against her, that I'm afraid it won't go well for her. But she said she'll take the first one and see how it goes.
Any input with her situation anyone? I'm going to suggest she see her dr. first.
Thanks so much for reading. 9 -
They'll be offering the vaccine this next week to 75+ and my sister's in that group. Her possible reaction worries me a lot!! She has Fibromyalgia, IBS, had Iritis, has inflammatory issues such as arthritis, wasn't able to tolerate regular flu vaccines so hasn't taken them for many years. She seems to have so many things in her system that go against her, that I'm afraid it won't go well for her. But she said she'll take the first one and see how it goes.
Any input with her situation anyone? I'm going to suggest she see her dr. first.
Thanks so much for reading.
I think it’s a good idea to see her doctor first. ❤️
My husband is 68. A cancer survivor. He’s still working. Minnesota opened up vaccines for 65+ this week. He has his 3 month check up in early February. He’s going to ask his doc about it then. As it is throughout the country, there’s not enough vaccine, so chances are he wouldn’t be able to get it until after his dr appointment.2 -
They'll be offering the vaccine this next week to 75+ and my sister's in that group. Her possible reaction worries me a lot!! She has Fibromyalgia, IBS, had Iritis, has inflammatory issues such as arthritis, wasn't able to tolerate regular flu vaccines so hasn't taken them for many years. She seems to have so many things in her system that go against her, that I'm afraid it won't go well for her. But she said she'll take the first one and see how it goes.
Any input with her situation anyone? I'm going to suggest she see her dr. first.
Thanks so much for reading.
@ReenieHJ - was having a similar convo with my father yesterday. He is concerned that his immune system will not be able to handle the response to the vaccine, and that he "just needs to be a shut in for life". This concern was first brought up by his nephrologist. In life, he has been treated for prostate cancer, as well as a sarcoma and lymphoma. He is "obese", type II diabetic, high blood pressure and there is something off with his blood proteins (I did not follow the convo). He claims he is going to call/speak with his doctor, but with him, that could take months and heaven forbid anyone intervenes. I might resort to calling my sister. She and her husband are both oncologists and may understand my father's health concerns specific to the vaccine. My thought is mightn't the Johnson and Johnson have a different immune response modality. Could if be better in his case?5 -
So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.9
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So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
How are they keeping track of this? Don’t you have to show ID’s at least?0 -
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missysippy930 wrote: »So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
How are they keeping track of this? Don’t you have to show ID’s at least?
I believe that the prior requirement was solely proof of being over 65. As of yesterday, must prove full time or seasonal residency. There is a list of how to prove.4 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)8 -
Some This Week in Virology stuff:
They said it looks like the US case spike has peaked, which means the spike in deaths will peak in a couple of weeks, which is... terrifying
They clarified that it looks like the effectiveness numbers advertised by the Pfizer/Moderna jabs are reached at about 2 weeks after the second shot. They are also confident based on data that vaccinated immunity will last at least one year.
Suggested that every doctor should be giving a covid test to every patient they see for any reason to help stay on top of asymptomatic spread, and are discouraged that testing is still nowhere near as available and commonplace in the US as it should be.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine released Phase 2 data, this is the very small scale human testing, so the data is limited. They expect it to be a one shot process, but are also testing a booster shot to see if it shows any benefits. The limited phase shows 90% effectiveness 29 days after the first shot and 100% by day 57, no data was released about what if any affect the 2nd dose had. They expect Phase 3 completed results to be released by the end of the month. No safety flags have been seen, so they expect to file for EUA approval in February. J&J has been rapidly producing vaccine as they work through the trial phases and claim they will have several million doses stockpiled by the time they get approved. This sounds really positive and if J&J can add millions of doses to our current predicament by some time in February, that could be a big help. 9 -
Wanted to add - I was curious what type of vaccine the J&J vaccine is so I googled and learned some stuff.
Please note the following descriptions are my amateur understanding of what I read and might not be entirely correct lol
Most traditional vaccines contain a deactivated version of the virus they are vaccinating against.
Pfizer and Moderna contain a specific spike protein RNA strand of the virus they are vaccinating against, not the whole virus.
J&J is a little different - they take a deactivated version of one of the common cold viruses and add the covid19 spike protein to the virus. This is a blueprint they have already used for their Ebola virus vaccine, which they've given hundreds of thousands of doses of.15 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.5 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.
Posting mainly so it's clear I'm not ignoring your post.
Yes, that makes sense. I said what I did because there seemed to be an implication - or at least an opportunity for lurkers to infer - from some posts that having had cancer in and of itself created extra risk from the virus or the vaccine, independent of other factors. IMU, there's not currently a reason to believe that just having had cancer or cancer treatment, regardless of timing or type of cancer treatment, has any implications for Covid or its vaccines.
Just my amateur understanding, though . . . but from a topic I do pay pretty close attention to, because of possible personal implications.4 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.
Posting mainly so it's clear I'm not ignoring your post.
Yes, that makes sense. I said what I did because there seemed to be an implication - or at least an opportunity for lurkers to infer - from some posts that having had cancer in and of itself created extra risk from the virus or the vaccine, independent of other factors. IMU, there's not currently a reason to believe that just having had cancer or cancer treatment, regardless of timing or type of cancer treatment, has any implications for Covid or its vaccines.
Just my amateur understanding, though . . . but from a topic I do pay pretty close attention to, because of possible personal implications.
@AnnPT77 I agree with you and I thought that was why they were specifically trying to vaccinate medically compromised individuals. BTW I did a search, and I recognized what my father referenced and that was IgG and IgA. That should at least help my call with my sister.3 -
I'm a covid survivor, thankfully with no after effects.
The one prep I would urge all here to consider is supplementing their diet with Vit D. It's a low cost and low risk precaution to potentially mitigate the worst case outcomes of COVID.
Op-Ed: Don't Let COVID-19 Patients Die With Vitamin D Deficiency
— We can't wait for perfect evidence
Does vitamin D deficiency increase the severity of COVID-19?
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I would suggest checking if you are Vitamin D deficient first -and if so, supplementing.
Not just for Covid reasons but general health
More striking was that vitamin D deficiency was found in 97% of severely ill patients who required ICU admission but in only 33% of asymptomatic cases, suggesting that low levels are a necessary component of severe COVID-19.
that may well be so - but doesnt mean had those same patients not been deficient in vitamin D, their Covid outcome would of been different.
It just as likely suggests people vulnerable to getting Covid due to age or co morbidities are also those likely to be deficient in Vitamin D - which strikes me as being expected news,not at all surprising - given people who are obese, very old, chronic illness are less likely to be doing outside activites and therefore getting enough Vitamin D from sunshine
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