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I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
I'll vouch for that. I had chicken pox at the age of 28 and I was miserably sick for 10 days. There were times when I genuinely wanted to die (part of that was a spell of very hot and humid weather at the same time, which added to my misery). It took ages to recover my stamina too, I remember needing to sit down and rest in the middle of making a bed a month later.5 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.23 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
You’re not the only one. It happens to me, and others too. Many times, disagrees don’t make any sense, ie: personal experiences. I’ve been here a long time. Developing a thick skin helps.6 -
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missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
Speaking of vaccinating pregnant women, very small study on vaccinating lactating women just out:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2021/03/04/antibodies-for-covid-19-found-in-breast-milk-after-vaccine/
Antibodies For Covid-19 Found In Breast Milk After Vaccine
"...While this study is extremely small, and the data on duration of antibodies in breast milk remains preliminary, it provides promising news that breast-fed infants of vaccinated mothers will receive a degree of protection at a time when no Covid-19 vaccine is available for this age group."5 -
missysippy930 wrote: »
I'm not sure - I just assumed she had chicken pox. My son is her same age and he didn't have the vaccine I don't think it was around back then? Or maybe it came out after he already had chicken pox he was very young when he got it.
Edit: no vaccine, she had chicken pox as a kid. The vaccine wasn't licensed in Canada until 1998 and the vaccine programs started in 2000.
Is it just me, or do others seem to have someone who disagrees with literally every post they write? Idk it just seems odd that someone would disagree with the above statements of fact. Like do they disagree that my son had chicken pox as a very young child? Or that the chicken pox vaccine was licensed in Canada in 1998? It doesn't really matter - it just really confuses me.
I feel like maybe someone has a problem with me and just disagrees with everything I post.
Yeah - disagrees happen (and btw, I know we had a lil’ argument over vaccinating pregnant women a few pages back, but I’m not your disagree stalker, we’re cool). However I have a question about the chicken pox. I didn’t know it could affect covid vaccinations, could you elaborate on that?
I never had the chicken pox vaccine eiher and hadn’t even heard there’s a vaccine for it until I traveled to the US for an exchange program in 2008 and had to have either the vaccine or confirmation that I’d had it. Got blood tests to confirm I had it basically asymptomatically around the same time my best friend and my sister had it when we were kids. I lucked out with that one - a former colleague got chicken pox as an adult and it was nasty. Apparently the vaccine is in our national vaccination program for kids now.
We now know that if you get chicken pox as a child, the virus lies dormant in your system and emerge later as shingles. They don't know for sure why some people can carry the virus and never get shingles while others do, sometimes multiple times. It seems at least in some cases the virus takes advantage of stress or illness to re emerge. There is now a chicken pox vaccine for children, I'd say within the last 10-20 years maybe? If you had chicken pox, you should get the shingles vaccine when your older, if you're younger and got the chicken pox vaccine, you don't have to worry about shingles3 -
Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
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Fortnight=two weeks. I've always loved that term and wished it was more common in the US. I think I learned it originally from English kid's books.
Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
I try to modify my language to forum demographics - what I call soft drink in real life i refer to as soda on here - but didn't occur to me to change "fortnight"
Sorry for digression.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
Great can I ask you a somewhat related question then? I got my first dose (Pfizer) this week, and now it seems my gov't might cancel my second dose and stretch it out to 16 weeks in order to get more people the first dose. From what I can tell the Pfizer clinical trials efficacy of around 50% for the first dose included infections that occurred in the first 12 days, but if you exclude those the efficacy goes up to like 90% at day 21.
I think the main argument against it is that even if it is 90% efficacy at 21 days we have no idea how long that will last. But realistically we have no idea how long the immunity lasts after two doses either (do we?) And the argument for it is that the dosing schedule that Pfizer tested was based on a kind of rushed clinical trial, and just because they gave everyone a booster at 21 days doesn't necessarily mean that it was needed that soon.
It's pretty confusing for a lay person to wade through all this, just wondering if you have an opinion on the delayed second dose scenario.
I was pretty excited to get my first dose and be scheduled for my second, now it has caused me a bit of anxiety that I might have to wait for it. Although I do understand the public health angle of vaccinating more people with the first dose - and yeah it seems kind of selfish to want a second dose to boost my immunity like another 10% when others could benefit even more from a first dose.5 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I'm glad you got your first shot, I value your contributions to this place and I want you around for a long time.
Does "bad things" eh? Yikes.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Fortnight=two weeks. I've always loved that term and wished it was more common in the US. I think I learned it originally from English kid's books.
Sorry i didn't realise fortnight was not a standard term used in all English speaking countries.
I try to modify my language to forum demographics - what I call soft drink in real life i refer to as soda on here - but didn't occur to me to change "fortnight"
Sorry for digression.
No need to change the language -- it's an international forum and we can figure it out and maybe learn something.
Soft drink here = non-alcoholic, but when used at a restaurant or by people generally (and it's not that unusual) it typically means soda here too, or what I grew up calling pop.11 -
paperpudding wrote: »Still a coincidence not a direct cause and effect result. I'm curious as to how you are confident enough of this to make such a definitive statement. Do you work in a related field? I'm not being facetious if you have some knowledge of it that would help me understand I am interested to hear it - I am not in the medical field I am just going on general knowledge and the research I have done.
Yes I work in a related field - I have been a nurse in a medical practice for over a decade and vaccinations is a huge part of that role.,
I am the senior nurse who is responsible for our vaccine program.
Other vaccine programs like the school program i have been involved in for 20 years.
Infectious diseases notification is part of my role too - shingles is more common in older people but not rare in people in their late 20's
I didnt say it as a definitive statement - what I said was " I would see that as a co incidence, I can't see how there could be any connection"
Great can I ask you a somewhat related question then? I got my first dose (Pfizer) this week, and now it seems my gov't might cancel my second dose and stretch it out to 16 weeks in order to get more people the first dose. From what I can tell the Pfizer clinical trials efficacy of around 50% for the first dose included infections that occurred in the first 12 days, but if you exclude those the efficacy goes up to like 90% at day 21.
I think the main argument against it is that even if it is 90% efficacy at 21 days we have no idea how long that will last. But realistically we have no idea how long the immunity lasts after two doses either (do we?) And the argument for it is that the dosing schedule that Pfizer tested was based on a kind of rushed clinical trial, and just because they gave everyone a booster at 21 days doesn't necessarily mean that it was needed that soon.
It's pretty confusing for a lay person to wade through all this, just wondering if you have an opinion on the delayed second dose scenario.
I was pretty excited to get my first dose and be scheduled for my second, now it has caused me a bit of anxiety that I might have to wait for it. Although I do understand the public health angle of vaccinating more people with the first dose - and yeah it seems kind of selfish to want a second dose to boost my immunity like another 10% when others could benefit even more from a first dose.
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your question- although I am familiar with existing vaccines and general vaccine schedules/ programs/principles i am by no means an expert on covid vaccines.
As yet the covid vaccine program in Australia has only just started and phase 1a is only being done through hospital hubs and even these have not reached my regional area yet.
We will be doing in the surgery from phase 1b onwards.
In general though, when vaccine schedules require more than one dose there is a minimum gap between doses but no maximum gap.
In other words, you can't have subsequent doses too soon but it doesn't matter if it is longer
Although of course full immunity is after the complete course.
As this applies to all other vaccines it would be very surprising if it did not apply to covid vaccines.
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@33gail33 Hopefully this article will help you clarify your question and concern:
Delay the Second Covid Vaccine Shot? What Experts Say
By John Lauerman and Jason Gale
January 24, 2021, 11:43 PM PST Updated on February 22, 2021, 1:29 PM PST
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-25/why-delaying-the-second-covid-vaccine-shot-is-messy-quicktake1 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.9 -
It always fascinates me that some people listen to crazy information they receive but ignore sound science? Re: emotion microchip stuff.7
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This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
Bwahahahaha! Well...I guess YOU got schooled! That's literally the funniest thing I've heard all week! (Both that idiot comment and your hilarious response!) Thanks for the laugh this morning. I needed it!
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This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.
In this case that I mentioned, the person who made the "microchip" comment has certainly had screws and plates, but no pacemaker that I know of. I believe she's T2D, but I'm not sure how treated. I'm certain she's had other vaccinations, too, some relatively recently, but this one is suspect, to her.
Very specific to this case, though I wouldn't generalize: This is a reasonably intelligent person, but with what I consider to be a very slight paranoid streak (not to the point of clinical symptoms). Even in her personal life, she tends to interpret events (that look neutral to me) as being about or aimed at her, and negative; she tends to think people are hiding the truth from her. She likes to feel that she has insider information that others don't have, in a hobby interest that we both share, as well as in the political sphere. She shares the "insider information" freely with others (hobby and political). She is a "do your own research" type, but that research tends to be following chains of information that appeal to her, from one source to the related next one. She doesn't reach outside the chain looking for countering opinions. In the shared-hobby realm, this habit is fine, productive and rewarding. In the political realm, it heads - for my taste - quickly way off into the deep, deep weeds.
This person is not the only one I know who has had other vaccinations (and I think would still get their kids vaccinated for the basics, if they were that age), but who believes the Covid vaccine is dangerous. This person is the most extreme case, in what they believe about it, though.
On another front, one of the most fervent across-the-board anti-vaxers I know (a different person) is also one of the most tatted up. Given what's coming out recently about some of the inks, and how they're regulated, that case makes me wonder. Not going to rip open that can of worms by asking, though. 🤷♀️5 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.6 -
This could be controversial, but I'm just reporting, having found it . . . remarkable.
I mentioned here that I got the Pfizer vax, shot 1, yesterday (zero side effects by the way, not even arm soreness). I also posted about it on Facebook, saying I was happy to finally get it after a long time on the waiting list.
Reply to that from someone I know (who was serious, BTW): "You're thrilled over an unknown microchip that how many doctors and experts have said only does bad things, including taking away specific emotions? Good luck".
I responded: "Giddy, even . . . so that must not be one of the problem emotions."
So: Watch out for missing emotions, I guess, vaccinated people? 😦
P.S. No, I don't believe this.
I wonder how these people feel about things like heart pacers, metal screws and plates used to fix broken bones and modern diabetes treatment.
A colleague has type 1 diabetes and just got a new blood sugar measuring thing installed, it’s some kind of button attached to his arm that sends measurements to some app on his phone when he presses a button on the app, apparently. We had a good laugh at the office about his willingness to microchip himself and that he’s now literally a cyborg. We all unanimously congratulated him on his cool new tool that helps him monitor his health and hoped for a chance to ”microchip ourselves with covid vaccine”. (None of us think there is a microchip in the vaccine, we’re being sarcastic)
I’m kind of intrigued to know what these vaccine=microchip people would think about my colleague’s new diabetes tool.
In this case that I mentioned, the person who made the "microchip" comment has certainly had screws and plates, but no pacemaker that I know of. I believe she's T2D, but I'm not sure how treated. I'm certain she's had other vaccinations, too, some relatively recently, but this one is suspect, to her.
Very specific to this case, though I wouldn't generalize: This is a reasonably intelligent person, but with what I consider to be a very slight paranoid streak (not to the point of clinical symptoms). Even in her personal life, she tends to interpret events (that look neutral to me) as being about or aimed at her, and negative; she tends to think people are hiding the truth from her. She likes to feel that she has insider information that others don't have, in a hobby interest that we both share, as well as in the political sphere. She shares the "insider information" freely with others (hobby and political). She is a "do your own research" type, but that research tends to be following chains of information that appeal to her, from one source to the related next one. She doesn't reach outside the chain looking for countering opinions. In the shared-hobby realm, this habit is fine, productive and rewarding. In the political realm, it heads - for my taste - quickly way off into the deep, deep weeds.
This person is not the only one I know who has had other vaccinations (and I think would still get their kids vaccinated for the basics, if they were that age), but who believes the Covid vaccine is dangerous. This person is the most extreme case, in what they believe about it, though.
On another front, one of the most fervent across-the-board anti-vaxers I know (a different person) is also one of the most tatted up. Given what's coming out recently about some of the inks, and how they're regulated, that case makes me wonder. Not going to rip open that can of worms by asking, though. 🤷♀️
I like the people who believe that the "lockdowns" are the governments way of getting us used to control so that they can continue on with the restrictions forever. No idea why the government would want to keep us all locked in our homes and destroy the economy but what do I know?9 -
Update on the shingles vaccine reaction if anyone is interested. While the urgent care doctor said that she "couldn't rule out" a vaccine reaction, the next day her GP told her definitively that she believes it to be a vaccine reaction. Given her age, general health, and the timing of the rash "you would not have shingles right now if you hadn't had the vaccine".
Don't shoot me I am just the messenger - that is what the doctors are telling us.
Personally it wouldn't dissuade me from getting the vaccine, I do wish that I had a shingles vaccine prior though.
Nobody is or was 'shooting' you
Would be interested to know via what mechanism the Dr thinks covid vaccine brought on shingles - since, as we all know, shingles is caused by re activation of chicken pox virus, dormant in your system since having the primary disease.
Or how he knows she wouldn't have shingles anyway - given young and healthy people can and do get it.7
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