Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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useyourthorns wrote: »The early MSDS for it were not convincing, however. (The exact warning I believe was, "Safe if no more than a mouthful is consumed".) However, for some of us, it tastes like pure bitterness.
I am assuming that this refers to the aspartame itself... and given that aspartame is 200+ times sweeter than sugar, I think your head would literally explode from the sweet overload if you tried to eat a mouthful of aspartame. If it refers to whatever the aspartame is in, I think that 50+ years of common usage across the entire planet has disproved that statement.
Considering I was working with pure aspartame, I'd say the MSDS for it was for pure aspartame. Lol.0 -
Me too. I invited a couple from the gym to a backyard party where we had home cooked food, cake, ice cream, beer, etc. and they came with containers of "clean food" (they weren't prepping for any contests) and while there started conversing about the foods to my other guests. Needless to say, I've NEVER reinvited them again and broke off any contact after.Hamiltonfamily2018 wrote: »
...and there you have it. Conclusive proof.
I can possibly get cancer by going on a long run if I forget to put on sunscreen or accidentally inhale too many diesel fumes. Guess it's best to just sit on my couch all day.
What I'd like to know is what about it/how it is possibly carcinogenic. You know...scientifically speaking.
Right! This is my problem with the “clean eater” “food snobs” I mean I think we all know we shouldn’t down 20 diet Coke’s a day and eat more unprocessed foods. That’s a given- however Hard core vegans get cancer too, should we be somewhat responsible eaters. Sure. I’ll enjoy my diet soda on occasion and even eat my lower calorie tortilla that YES is processed and full of crap, who cares.
I can’t stand food snobs. Huge pet peeve.
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And not all people can eat peanuts. Doesn't mean aspartame is the devil for the majority of the population.Analog_Kid wrote: »For those of us who suffer from migraine, it is well known that aspartame (and other artificial sweetners such as saccharin, acesulfame potassium, sucralose, and neotame) can trigger skull-splitting headaches.
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Analog_Kid wrote: »For those of us who suffer from migraine, it is well known that aspartame (and other artificial sweetners such as saccharin, acesulfame potassium, sucralose, and neotame) can trigger skull-splitting headaches.
So can salt, but I don't see anyone jumping up and down screaming we need to ban salt...3 -
I'm glad it was never a trigger for my migraines when I did elimination attempts to discover what were.
Turns out carbonation was!!!
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I'm not convinced it's 100% safe, but I still use it a bit in sugar free coffee syrup and a diet soda a couple of times per week. However, I do think it makes me feel hungrier after I use it.
It does trigger heart palpitations in my mom, so she has to avoid it.2 -
useyourthorns wrote: »The early MSDS for it were not convincing, however. (The exact warning I believe was, "Safe if no more than a mouthful is consumed".) However, for some of us, it tastes like pure bitterness.
I am assuming that this refers to the aspartame itself... and given that aspartame is 200+ times sweeter than sugar, I think your head would literally explode from the sweet overload if you tried to eat a mouthful of aspartame. If it refers to whatever the aspartame is in, I think that 50+ years of common usage across the entire planet has disproved that statement.
Yeah this is a common misunderstanding. If you get aspartame or saccharine or any of these high intensity sweeteners at a grocery store or in a sugar packet at a restaurant, 99.5% of the powder that is in that packet is NOT aspartame...it is what is known as a bulking agent, typically something like maltodextrin. The reason this is done is that given high intensity sweeteners like aspartame are 200x + sweeter that sugar if you were trying to handle the pure stuff you would be adding ridiculously tiny amounts to your drinks or foods. So to make it more reasonable to handle they mix it into a bulking agent to give it enough volume that you can work with it practically rather than being expected to add like three grains of sand worth to your drink.
So yeah although i have no idea what MSDS you are referring to here from the original comment a "mouthful" of aspartame is not a mouthful of aspartame packets that you would like get at a grocery store. If 10 of those packets were a "mouthful" you would have to ingest 2000 of those packets to get a "mouthful" of actual aspartame. Now if you have an MSDS maybe you are in a lab and you actually are working with pure aspartame....okay, but that isn't really a food product at that point you got that from like Sigma Aldrich or something. No one practically uses pure aspartame to sweeten things just because it is so sweet.
And yeah, if you took a spoonful of pure aspartame and put it in your mouth you'd probably have a bad time....sort of like how if you put a spoonful of cinnamon in your mouth you'd have a bad time. So I can say with some certainty that yeah, probably don't do that.7 -
Recently found this youtube video that basically says the same thing I was saying in this post and says it quite well. Doesn't gloss over things, goes through each part of the molecule and what effects it has and what the limits are and what you would need to do to exceed those limits and compared to other foods you commonly encounter. Pretty good, I was impressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaDaU_vu_iw
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I'm not a scientist but found this interesting. Not sure the merits of the study. Basically, they found that the equivalent of two diet sodas causes your bacteria within your microbiome to attack the lining of the digestive tract, I assume potentially leading to inflammation.
Aspertame and Sucralose were specifically named.
It was all over the Microbiome publications last month. I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate the quality of the study/methodology, but it's the first thing that I've read that makes me wonder and actually has a potentially valid scientific reason for avoiding these sweeteners.
I don't use artificial sweeteners but my wife did (massively) when she was younger. I often wondered if that had a lot to do with her Fibromyalgia. She knows a lot of folks, through support groups with Fibro and nearly 100% of them used heavy sweeteners. This might explain a lot about the ties between the two things, which have been just observational and correlational.
https://www.ajc.com/pulse/study-shows-potential-dangers-of-artificial-sweeteners/BQ277ZOYPJGXXDKK7K6GPT7DFM/5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm not a scientist but found this interesting. Not sure the merits of the study. Basically, they found that the equivalent of two diet sodas causes your bacteria within your microbiome to attack the lining of the digestive tract, I assume potentially leading to inflammation.
Aspartame and Sucralose were specifically named.
It was all over the Microbiome publications last month. I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate the quality of the study/methodology, but it's the first thing that I've read that makes me wonder and actually has a potentially valid scientific reason for avoiding these sweeteners.
I don't use artificial sweeteners but my wife did (massively) when she was younger. I often wondered if that had a lot to do with her Fibromyalgia. She knows a lot of folks, through support groups with Fibro and nearly 100% of them used heavy sweeteners. This might explain a lot about the ties between the two things, which have been just observational and correlational.
https://www.ajc.com/pulse/study-shows-potential-dangers-of-artificial-sweeteners/BQ277ZOYPJGXXDKK7K6GPT7DFM/
Replying only to link to the original study referenced in the ajc.com article above: https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/10/52281 -
So interesting, I knew this lady that would swear she was allergic to aspartame, that it would give her migraines, apparently it only gives her migraines when she knows she's eating it though, because I gave it to her a few times, when I gave her gum and diet soda she had nooooo idea, completely fine. Now, now don't judge me I was only a teenager when I gave her the stuff just so that I could prove she was not allergic.
I might stop drinking it for awhile but then I always find myself drinking a nice diet soda, cause YOLO4 -
stuntin666 wrote: »So interesting, I knew this lady that would swear she was allergic to aspartame, that it would give her migraines, apparently it only gives her migraines when she knows she's eating it though, because I gave it to her a few times, when I gave her gum and diet soda she had nooooo idea, completely fine. Now, now don't judge me I was only a teenager when I gave her the stuff just so that I could prove she was not allergic.
I might stop drinking it for awhile but then I always find myself drinking a nice diet soda, cause YOLO
I try to avoid making assumptions about whether or not something might cause migraines in a particular person or whether that response is "real" or psychosomatic. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't, as far as I know pretty much anything can be a migraine trigger (or be perceived to be a migraine trigger) but it clearly doesn't in everyone and there is no clearly defined causal link.
If someone tells me they get migraines when they ingest aspartame I would say "oh okay, best to avoid then". But if they say I get migraines when I ingest aspartame, therefore its dangerous and everyone should avoid it...that is when I call BS.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I'm not a scientist but found this interesting. Not sure the merits of the study. Basically, they found that the equivalent of two diet sodas causes your bacteria within your microbiome to attack the lining of the digestive tract, I assume potentially leading to inflammation.
Aspertame and Sucralose were specifically named.
It was all over the Microbiome publications last month. I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate the quality of the study/methodology, but it's the first thing that I've read that makes me wonder and actually has a potentially valid scientific reason for avoiding these sweeteners.
I don't use artificial sweeteners but my wife did (massively) when she was younger. I often wondered if that had a lot to do with her Fibromyalgia. She knows a lot of folks, through support groups with Fibro and nearly 100% of them used heavy sweeteners. This might explain a lot about the ties between the two things, which have been just observational and correlational.
https://www.ajc.com/pulse/study-shows-potential-dangers-of-artificial-sweeteners/BQ277ZOYPJGXXDKK7K6GPT7DFM/
I took a look at the study (linked by durhammfp), very briefly like a 5 minute skim. What they are showing is that in an in vitro condition (bacteria on an agar plate) that giving artificial sweetner (any artificial sweetener) induced biofilm formation in two different bacterial species which they then say (not demonstrate) relates to pathogenicity. They then claim that zinc sulphate, a molecule that competitively binds to sweet-sensing taste buds and blocks the perception of sweetness, somehow cancels this effect although they admit that the relative effect seemed to have no correlation to how sweet the sweetners were nor was there any evidence that bacteria have the same taste-bud receptors.
So yeah I'd have to read it in depth to be more critical but I'm immediately skeptical of any in vitro microbiome study (literally bacteria on an agar plate) where the claim a significant effect regardless of which artificial sweetner they use. They claim it for sacchrine sucralose and aspartame...three molecules that have almost nothing to do with each other molecularly other than they all happen to be perceived as sweet by our tongue. Yet they don't test other sweeteners such as table sugar to see if they see the same thing. Which is interesting because do you know what else can induce biofilm formation in bacteria in in vitro conditions? Glucose.
So how these three different molecules could all influence two different bacteria in the same way in vitro, how that effect wouldn't also just be caused by something like table sugar, how that effect could be canceled by a molecule that blocks perception of sweetness on human taste-bud receptors and how this would relate to what would happen biologically inside of your intestine I am extremely skeptical of. They don't have any actual in vivo data nor do they demonstrate that this phenomena has any relevance in an actual microbiome.
Not only that but a microbiome wouldn't see aspartame anyways because aspartame is broken down by pepsin and acidity in your stomach to aspartate phenylalanine and methanol before it even reaches your intestine.
Their causal chain is: biofilm formation in bacteria can lead to translocation of bacteria across intestinal wall inside of the gut causing issues like septicaemia. That if they take the bacteria on an agar plate and put on sweeteners they can induce some biofilm formation. Therefore if you ingest sweetners then that would happen in your gut. If that was true then anyone eating artificial sweetners would end up getting septic shock. They make no attempt to actually link use of sweenters in diet to any symptoms that would occur should what they are saying might happen actually happened. And that is all they do, they show not pathogenicity but formation of biofilm which can be associated with pathogenicity on an agar plate in a lab and then make the leap that that would happen in your gut and that would be pathogenic but yet make no attempts to demonstrate that actually occurs.
Fibromyalgia is unrelated to this and the paper makes no claims of any relation to Fibromyalgia11 -
stuntin666 wrote: »So interesting, I knew this lady that would swear she was allergic to aspartame, that it would give her migraines, apparently it only gives her migraines when she knows she's eating it though, because I gave it to her a few times, when I gave her gum and diet soda she had nooooo idea, completely fine. Now, now don't judge me I was only a teenager when I gave her the stuff just so that I could prove she was not allergic.
I might stop drinking it for awhile but then I always find myself drinking a nice diet soda, cause YOLO
that doesnt neccesarily mean her migraines were not triggered by aspartame in soft drinks or whatever though.
Many people have allergies that are not neccesarily to that product in all its forms - people with egg allergies can often still eat custard or baked goods, for example
Does not seem unlikely that a person could get migraines from aspartame in some products.
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@Aaron_K123 -- I thought it might be a bit of a leap, especially being in vitro. Also, I understand they didn't mention Fibromyalgia. That's simply observational on my part. Seems to be extremely heavily correlated.3
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Yep, definitely agree with all this.paperpudding wrote: »stuntin666 wrote: »So interesting, I knew this lady that would swear she was allergic to aspartame, that it would give her migraines, apparently it only gives her migraines when she knows she's eating it though, because I gave it to her a few times, when I gave her gum and diet soda she had nooooo idea, completely fine. Now, now don't judge me I was only a teenager when I gave her the stuff just so that I could prove she was not allergic.
I might stop drinking it for awhile but then I always find myself drinking a nice diet soda, cause YOLO
that doesnt neccesarily mean her migraines were not triggered by aspartame in soft drinks or whatever though.
Many people have allergies that are not neccesarily to that product in all its forms - people with egg allergies can often still eat custard or baked goods, for example
Does not seem unlikely that a person could get migraines from aspartame in some products.
My mom got heart palpitations whenever she drank diet soda. Once she stopped, they stopped.
As someone with food sensitivities, I can tell you that I don't react to a food or chemical every time or even the same way each time.0 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »@Aaron_K123 -- I thought it might be a bit of a leap, especially being in vitro. Also, I understand they didn't mention Fibromyalgia. That's simply observational on my part. Seems to be extremely heavily correlated.
How is fibromyalgia heavily correlated to aspartame? Curious as to what you are basing that on.3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Aaron_K123 -- I thought it might be a bit of a leap, especially being in vitro. Also, I understand they didn't mention Fibromyalgia. That's simply observational on my part. Seems to be extremely heavily correlated.
How is fibromyalgia heavily correlated to aspartame? Curious as to what you are basing that on.
My wife had it for years. She formed a large support group with nearly 4K members online. She did multiple polls and found that most that had it (like nearly all of them) heavily used sweeteners. Like I said, very correlational, but I believe there's something there. My wife used sweeteners in her coffee for over 20 years. Nearly everyone in her group drank diet soda (and a lot of it).
There have also been many cases (documented) where when someone with Fibromyalgia gives up Aspertame, their Fibromyalgia goes away.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21176433/
Do I think it's the only thing? Absolutely not. A lot of other factors. MTHFR genetic defect, toxin exposure, diet, other genetic predispositions and even most of them have had a severe physical accident in the years preceeding acquiring it.1 -
If it were truly dangerous I would have been dead from my Diet Mountain addiction years ago:)0
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@Aaron_K123 -- I thought it might be a bit of a leap, especially being in vitro. Also, I understand they didn't mention Fibromyalgia. That's simply observational on my part. Seems to be extremely heavily correlated.
How is fibromyalgia heavily correlated to aspartame? Curious as to what you are basing that on.
My wife had it for years. She formed a large support group with nearly 4K members online. She did multiple polls and found that most that had it (like nearly all of them) heavily used sweeteners. Like I said, very correlational, but I believe there's something there. My wife used sweeteners in her coffee for over 20 years. Nearly everyone in her group drank diet soda (and a lot of it).
There have also been many cases (documented) where when someone with Fibromyalgia gives up Aspertame, their Fibromyalgia goes away.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21176433/
Do I think it's the only thing? Absolutely not. A lot of other factors. MTHFR genetic defect, toxin exposure, diet, other genetic predispositions and even most of them have had a severe physical accident in the years preceding acquiring it.
Most people drink diet soda, its a common beverage. The fact that most people drink diet soda in your wifes support group is not surprising. If you polled most people on this website most people would say they drink diet soda. I drink diet soda.
If something actually causes an issue and that issue is reversible at all then that issue ALWAYS goes away when that thing is removed, not just sometimes. If sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't then it isn't related. If drinking diet soda was an extremely rare thing to do and everyone who drank diet soda got Fibromyalgia and then when they stopped their Fibromyalgia went away then yes okay that would be a strong correlation. What you are describing isn't even a correlation, its a coincidence in the literal meaning of the word...the two things were co-incident and nothing more. To even correlate one thing has to happen when the other thing happens, not just sometimes. And as you pointed out most things that correlate aren't actually causal.
If you believe strongly that their is a connection with diet soda then I would suggest it implicates caffeine more than it implicates aspartame, because almost all diet sodas have caffeine but not all diet sodas are sweetened with aspartame...in fact I don't even think it is the majority of them.
Your link is to a case report not a study. What you are saying about your wife and your experience is also a case report. They are speculations and stories based on beliefs. They are literally reporting that a woman went on vacation and "forgot to take her aspartame" which is a very weird way of putting it and then she didn't have her symptoms and then later when she got back from the vacation she had some aspartame and her symptoms returned. As if that was the only variable in someone traveling to a foreign country and then returning.
There is a reason the scientific method exists, there is a reason why it is important to blind studies, there is a reason why just looking for a cause to pin symptoms on essentially never works.
Honestly though, I don't want to try to make some example out of this. You and your wife are struggling with a difficult thing and I would rather extend sympathies and hope at somepoint there are solutions found to an issue that can be painful and debilitating. I can totally understand the desire to find the solution yourself, to help your wife...to make it better. I would be a monster to mock that so I do empathize. That is rough. If you ask me honestly if I think you might be on to something with the aspartame thing the answer is no, I don't. But that doesn't mean I mock the inquiry or the desire to find out. Based on that I don't think I will respond again in a critical way if you respond back as I am concerned it may start to be rude given your circumstance.8 -
@Aaron_K123 -- no, I'm not offended at all. I know what I don't know. And thanks for the empathy. To be honest, it's not a factor for us any longer. Neither of us really likes diet soda (or any soda). But what you said makes sense.
I'm very much a layman, so I trust the scientists. What I appreciate about you is you don't assume you know everything as a scientist and have an open mind, while still respecting the science.
My wife is like 99% better now, but it's hard to say what worked the most (again, too many variables). We eliminated fried foods, toxins, did green juicing for two years, she took supplements, ate a Mediterranean Diet and got rid of gluten (which has some pretty solid studies behind it for Fibro pain, MUCH more conclusive than anything else except maybe going vegan/gluten free) and eliminated cow dairy, which she tested allergic to.
And I'm not even sure about the gluten. Because, if you remove gluten and cow dairy, it used to be (this has changed since she got it), that meant you're eating mostly whole foods and not heavily processed crap, which could have actually been what turned it around. Again, hard to say for sure.2 -
I hope this isn't considered off topic. I thought as this was a discussion on aspartame and it's safety it seemed a good place for it.
I recently have started using low cal sweeteners myself, and having been trying several of them out. I am not diabetic, but would like to stay that way, and believe I was on my way to it. So sweeteners that do not spike blood sugar are important to me. One of the ones I have been trying out is Equal. But I noticed the main ingredient is a filler, dextrose. This confused the heck out of me. Equal supposedly is great for diabetics because it doesn't spike blood sugar, but how is that possible with dextrose as the main ingredient?1 -
ChaoticMoira wrote: »I hope this isn't considered off topic. I thought as this was a discussion on aspartame and it's safety it seemed a good place for it.
I recently have started using low cal sweeteners myself, and having been trying several of them out. I am not diabetic, but would like to stay that way, and believe I was on my way to it. So sweeteners that do not spike blood sugar are important to me. One of the ones I have been trying out is Equal. But I noticed the main ingredient is a filler, dextrose. This confused the heck out of me. Equal supposedly is great for diabetics because it doesn't spike blood sugar, but how is that possible with dextrose as the main ingredient?
I'm guessing it is because the amount is so small (even with the dextrose, it's less than 1 gram of carbohydrates).1 -
ChaoticMoira wrote: »I hope this isn't considered off topic. I thought as this was a discussion on aspartame and it's safety it seemed a good place for it.
I recently have started using low cal sweeteners myself, and having been trying several of them out. I am not diabetic, but would like to stay that way, and believe I was on my way to it. So sweeteners that do not spike blood sugar are important to me. One of the ones I have been trying out is Equal. But I noticed the main ingredient is a filler, dextrose. This confused the heck out of me. Equal supposedly is great for diabetics because it doesn't spike blood sugar, but how is that possible with dextrose as the main ingredient?
High-intensity sweeteners like aspartame are often bulked with something like dextrose or maltodextrin just to provide you enough material to work with. Since the aspartame is 200x sweeter than sugar there is too little there to actually handle realistically. Bulking agents still need to be a food product, you don't want it to be talcum powder or something, but clearly it doesn't need to be what provides the sweetness. So typically companies use some sort of sugar as a bulking agent, dextrose or maltodextrin are common, but much less than you would need to actually sweeten anything.
So yes, "zero calorie" sweeteners aren't zero calorie. But the amount of dextrose present in one of those packets is considerably less than what you would use to actually sweeten a drink.
Aspartame itself actually has calories, equivalent to that of sugar. Its protein and its digested as such and protein has 4 calories per gram same as sugar does. The reason it is "zero calorie" is because you need so little of it to sweeten a drink. It isn't zero calories, its 200x less calories because you need 200x less of it to get equivalent sweetness to table sugar.
Sweetener packets are probably going to have 2-4g of carbs in them that are caloric from the bulking agent, so you are talking like 8-16 calories worth of carbs. That is barely anything. Thats basically the amount you get if you stare too long at the bakery section. It is not an amount that is going to be a problem for someone who is diabetic let alone someone who is concerned about diabetes but not yet diabetic.
If you really want to avoid this it is possible to purchase pure aspartame with a tiny little scooper but given how little you have to transfer to not be overpoweringly sweet its difficult to work with. But then you could technically cut it with whatever you want.
I mean here you go, this would last you a looong time for $30.
https://www.amazon.com/NuSci-Aspartame-Powder-Calorie-Sweetener/dp/B00566EPOA
That is the equivalent sweetness to buying 45 kilograms of sugar. That is enough to flavor over 14 thousand drinks, you could use that to sweeten two drinks a day for 20 years. You'd probably want to cut it with something to be able to work with it but not sure what you'd cut it with other than sugar. I mean any sort of soluble powder that is digestible could work just that typically is sugar.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »@Aaron_K123 -- no, I'm not offended at all. I know what I don't know. And thanks for the empathy. To be honest, it's not a factor for us any longer. Neither of us really likes diet soda (or any soda). But what you said makes sense.
I'm very much a layman, so I trust the scientists. What I appreciate about you is you don't assume you know everything as a scientist and have an open mind, while still respecting the science.
My wife is like 99% better now, but it's hard to say what worked the most (again, too many variables). We eliminated fried foods, toxins, did green juicing for two years, she took supplements, ate a Mediterranean Diet and got rid of gluten (which has some pretty solid studies behind it for Fibro pain, MUCH more conclusive than anything else except maybe going vegan/gluten free) and eliminated cow dairy, which she tested allergic to.
And I'm not even sure about the gluten. Because, if you remove gluten and cow dairy, it used to be (this has changed since she got it), that meant you're eating mostly whole foods and not heavily processed crap, which could have actually been what turned it around. Again, hard to say for sure.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear that you weren't offended and that your wife is doing much better now. Wish you the best.1 -
Just to be clear, aspartame is just as caloric and just as digestable as any other sugar or protein. The only reason it is "low calorie" or "zero calorie" is it binds to the sweetness receptors in your mouth 200x time stronger than typical sugars and thus can trigger them with much smaller amounts. It isn't that aspartame has less calories than sugar, its that you need 200x less aspartame to achieve same level of sweetness. So if you used 200 calories of sugar you could have instead used 1 calorie of aspartame for the same sweetness.
That's really it.11 -
I stupidly just created a new thread on aspartame, because I only came up with very old posts when I searched "aspartame cancer." Well, this may be an old thread, but it is still very topical!
Thanks to @Aaron_K123 for all the insight. It is really useful! Your original post is a great primer in the chemistry of aspartame. I only wish that you could refresh it to fix the broken links. It would make a good blog entry, if you haven't done that already. (Not that many people read the blogs.)
What got me onto this are the recent publications, including this one in a large (ish) human population, which show small positive (more cancer) effects in the populations who use aspartame:
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003950
My comment on the above is that the positive effects are small or non-existent (within errors), and people who use aspartame tend to do so because they tend to gain weight or they may have other medical conditions inducing them to do so, so there could be a correlation but not a causality.
People are also still banging the gong on the rat studies, such as this one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33845854/
@Aaron_K123 does have in interesting point about the rats chosen being prone to tumors in general. Also, it seems like a full-life daily dose of 2000ppm aspartame (where increased tumors seem to appear) is kind of extreme. No one would ever eat that much every single day starting in childhood. In an 80kg human, wouldn't that be 160 grams per day? That's thousands of packets or ~800 diet cokes. If I understand that correctly, I'm really glad I'm not a test subject!1 -
I loved this debate thread when it was ongoing. Aaron provided so much information.
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I loved this debate thread when it was ongoing. Aaron provided so much information.
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May not be active anymore but I am not dead...havent succumbed to the aspartame, yet. Fear over it seems to come culturally in waves and I havent seen a lot of fearmongering about it lately so assume its probably not coming up that often here either.7
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