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Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
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Antiopelle wrote: »Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
We're seeing pretty much the same in Italy. It seems like an accordian---open and close...open and close...
We are so sick of it all.13 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
We're seeing pretty much the same in Italy. It seems like an accordian---open and close...open and close...
We are so sick of it all.
That's a very challenging part of it all. It seems like right now, schools, nursing homes and correctional centers(locally) are the biggest places of increasing numbers. Just yesterday our high school announced 4 more cases and they're deliberating whether to go remote or not. The elementary schools are always announcing another grade or two that are remote temporarily. I almost want to say 'close it all up for the rest of the school year' instead of the roller coaster affect.
IDK There definitely is no easy answer to this except having patience and faith that vaccines will eventually slow things down.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
We're seeing pretty much the same in Italy. It seems like an accordian---open and close...open and close...
We are so sick of it all.
That's a very challenging part of it all. It seems like right now, schools, nursing homes and correctional centers(locally) are the biggest places of increasing numbers. Just yesterday our high school announced 4 more cases and they're deliberating whether to go remote or not. The elementary schools are always announcing another grade or two that are remote temporarily. I almost want to say 'close it all up for the rest of the school year' instead of the roller coaster affect.
IDK There definitely is no easy answer to this except having patience and faith that vaccines will eventually slow things down.
What we see here is that with the vaccination of almost the complete nursing home population, there are no more Covid deaths in that segment. Almost all of the hospitalizations (normal and ICU) are with "younger" people now (45-70 bracket). Which in itself is a very good indication that the vaccines work as they should.
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That's a very challenging part of it all. It seems like right now, schools, nursing homes and correctional centers(locally) are the biggest places of increasing numbers. Just yesterday our high school announced 4 more cases and they're deliberating whether to go remote or not. The elementary schools are always announcing another grade or two that are remote temporarily. I almost want to say 'close it all up for the rest of the school year' instead of the roller coaster affect.
IDK There definitely is no easy answer to this except having patience and faith that vaccines will eventually slow things down.
I feel you on wanting to avoid the rollercoaster and just closing up for the rest of the school year. However, I think it’s imortant to keep schools open as long as it’s safe, for the grades and groups that can be safe at any given moment, at least elementary schools. I have several reasons for this opinion:
1) School is not just classes, school also plays a big role in social services. In my corner of the world, kids get a free warm lunch at school (regardless of income) and majority of child abuse cases and other cases that need social services attention are brought to light at school.
2) School is not just classes on the subjects, it’s also critically important in learning social skills and working with others. I run a scouting group, and my current group is 10 2nd graders. This is my 4th group in the same age bracket, so I have some experience and something to compare this group to. These 8-year-olds missed 2 months of school last spring and then spent the summer in different kinds of semi-lockdown instead of seeing their friends like they would have in ”normal” summers. In the fall, it showed and their social skills and group interaction skills were significantly lacking compared to the other same-aged groups that came before them. They still haven’t quite caught up the gap in social skills.
3) Children, especially younger ones, in remote learning need constant adult help supervision at home and that makes working from home really difficult for the adults. I recently talked to someone in my field and he said last spring his team ended up having their team meetings at 10PM because that was the time most suitable for everyone: remote school day over, kids in bed etc. My colleagues with daycare- and school-aged children were exhausted last spring and couldn’t do their work properly because of the constant interruptions.
With all this said, I do not think we should keep schools open if it means the epidemic will blow up. I just think closing schools should be a last resort and non-essential businesses, hobbies etc. should close before schools do. I think it’s still better to be on the roller coaster and switch to temporary remote learning whenever a single class/grade needs to quarantine and keep the rest in school as long as it’s safe. I do hope that we can vaccinate enough people before next semester so we can retire this exhausting remote rollercoaster and maybe, just maybe, go on a real rollercoaster and have some fun.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
We're seeing pretty much the same in Italy. It seems like an accordian---open and close...open and close...
We are so sick of it all.
Yeah, same here, and I think in most of Europe actually. It's tough to keep going.5 -
Looks like we will be headed for another shut down - they are suspending the Astra Zeneca vaccine in Canada for people under 55 - and cases are climbing here. I was reading yesterday that researchers have an idea as to what is causing these rare blood clot reactions, so hopefully that is resolved quickly.4
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I just got a phone call from my daughter. She visits us most Saturdays, and was here a couple days ago. She woke up with a sore throat, runny nose, achy. She has a covid test scheduled for 4:30 today. My husband and I have had our first Moderna shot, and we’re scheduled for the second one next week. We’ve been careful, doing the elbow bumps only. We haven’t hugged since February 2020. In fact, the first thing she said to me when I told her we were scheduled for the vaccine was, “now we can hug for my birthday “, it’s April 30th. She’s been a remote worker since about 2016.17
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MikePfirrman wrote: »My wife and I got the Pfizer shot on Friday afternoon. Woke up on Saturday AM feeling a little cruddy with a very sore arm. By Saturday night, we were both fine. A bit tired during Sat day. Second shot scheduled already.
Related to office versus remote -- I think we'll see more shared spaces, like sharing desks/cubicles, so that not everyone has to come in every day. There are certain occupations where it can't be helped. One area is high level construction design, for instance -- so much collaboration, changes, working on things together that many in that area want to get back to the office. Project Management has been working fine from home.
I think you'll have companies come up with some creative solutions, like individual keyboards, keyboard covers, perhaps even individual chairs. I can see some blowback on this, though. I wouldn't want to share a personal space like a cubicle with a slob. If companies don't require people to come in every day, they sure aren't going to spend money on the same amount of floor space.
We know that our office space is going to constrict because we'll be working from home more even when we go back to the office, but they're still figuring out what that will look like exactly.
I hope if we're sharing desks we get something like a locker. My team's culture was really into desk decoration and personalizing spaces, so I think it will be a weird adjustment for some. For me, even though I did have personal items on my desk it's not something that was especially meaningful for me, but I will miss not being able to leave trails of notes for myself all over my desk . . . although I've gotten much neater over the past year as I have worked from home, simply because I don't have a dedicated workspace in my apartment and I like to be able to put everything away and out of sight in the evenings.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »My wife and I got the Pfizer shot on Friday afternoon. Woke up on Saturday AM feeling a little cruddy with a very sore arm. By Saturday night, we were both fine. A bit tired during Sat day. Second shot scheduled already.
Related to office versus remote -- I think we'll see more shared spaces, like sharing desks/cubicles, so that not everyone has to come in every day. There are certain occupations where it can't be helped. One area is high level construction design, for instance -- so much collaboration, changes, working on things together that many in that area want to get back to the office. Project Management has been working fine from home.
I think you'll have companies come up with some creative solutions, like individual keyboards, keyboard covers, perhaps even individual chairs. I can see some blowback on this, though. I wouldn't want to share a personal space like a cubicle with a slob. If companies don't require people to come in every day, they sure aren't going to spend money on the same amount of floor space.
I think the other factor (for my place of work, at least) is workplace safety when WFH. I work at a state institution with massive safeguards in place to prevent worker’s comp injuries. Everyone who works in an office has an ergonomic evaluation (and goes through annual training) and the department pays for the recommended equipment. The supervisor receives the evaluation and equipment needs. I think one of the things we’ll struggle with is how to manage those things as a part of remote work and determining exactly what is the institution’s level of responsibility.
I don’t see us going back to the “everyone packed in the office” days, unfortunately. Zoom is here to stay (and Teams, etc.). It’s going to be a whole new world, and it will take some time to figure out.7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Antiopelle wrote: »Here in Belgium, the third wave is hitting hard and we are in almost full lockdown again as from today for a period of four weeks. Employers need to have (and prove) a very good reason to call in personnel and the government is doing random checks to make sure that everyone who is capable to work from home actually does so. To give you an idea: our R-value is at 1,12 and 7,7% of tests are positives - only 13% of 18+ people have had a least one shot.
All schools are closed again as are the hairdressers, beauty salons, etc, and non-essentials stores can only accept people inside with an appointment.
The main reason behind the surge is the higher contagion rate of the variants who make patients more sick, especially the younger ones. This is something that is happening all over Europe.
These new restrictions hit hard, as we had thought restaurants would be able to reopen on May 1st, that was our shimmer of hope of getting back to a more normal way of life in a near future. Instead it is just the opposite and we are stranded again.
On the bright side: we know it is for a few more months, we are resilient and we will get through it all. Come summer, we will be in a much better place !
We're seeing pretty much the same in Italy. It seems like an accordian---open and close...open and close...
We are so sick of it all.
That's a very challenging part of it all. It seems like right now, schools, nursing homes and correctional centers(locally) are the biggest places of increasing numbers. Just yesterday our high school announced 4 more cases and they're deliberating whether to go remote or not. The elementary schools are always announcing another grade or two that are remote temporarily. I almost want to say 'close it all up for the rest of the school year' instead of the roller coaster affect.
IDK There definitely is no easy answer to this except having patience and faith that vaccines will eventually slow things down.
In the US, I read we’re seeing an increase in cases in children in schools. The 16-and-under group that can’t be vaccinated yet. Just as LAUSD announced they’re going back into the classroom. Hope for the best is all I can do through my worry.2 -
Here’s some good news: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 90% effective in real world study, CDC says.
https://apple.news/Asvq4UDU8QY6y-326tcrEpw10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I just got a phone call from my daughter. She visits us most Saturdays, and was here a couple days ago. She woke up with a sore throat, runny nose, achy. She has a covid test scheduled for 4:30 today. My husband and I have had our first Moderna shot, and we’re scheduled for the second one next week. We’ve been careful, doing the elbow bumps only. We haven’t hugged since February 2020. In fact, the first thing she said to me when I told her we were scheduled for the vaccine was, “now we can hug for my birthday “, it’s April 30th. She’s been a remote worker since about 2016.
I hope she is OK (and you both as well). Sending my best wishes.5 -
Here’s some good news: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 90% effective in real world study, CDC says.
https://apple.news/Asvq4UDU8QY6y-326tcrEpw
and 80% after the first shot. Quite impressive. Looking forward to getting # 2 shot Pfizer next week and being in the 90 percenters group.
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Here’s some good news: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 90% effective in real world study, CDC says.
https://apple.news/Asvq4UDU8QY6y-326tcrEpw
And this is preventing infection, not just disease.
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janejellyroll wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »My wife and I got the Pfizer shot on Friday afternoon. Woke up on Saturday AM feeling a little cruddy with a very sore arm. By Saturday night, we were both fine. A bit tired during Sat day. Second shot scheduled already.
Related to office versus remote -- I think we'll see more shared spaces, like sharing desks/cubicles, so that not everyone has to come in every day. There are certain occupations where it can't be helped. One area is high level construction design, for instance -- so much collaboration, changes, working on things together that many in that area want to get back to the office. Project Management has been working fine from home.
I think you'll have companies come up with some creative solutions, like individual keyboards, keyboard covers, perhaps even individual chairs. I can see some blowback on this, though. I wouldn't want to share a personal space like a cubicle with a slob. If companies don't require people to come in every day, they sure aren't going to spend money on the same amount of floor space.
We know that our office space is going to constrict because we'll be working from home more even when we go back to the office, but they're still figuring out what that will look like exactly.
I hope if we're sharing desks we get something like a locker. My team's culture was really into desk decoration and personalizing spaces, so I think it will be a weird adjustment for some. For me, even though I did have personal items on my desk it's not something that was especially meaningful for me, but I will miss not being able to leave trails of notes for myself all over my desk . . . although I've gotten much neater over the past year as I have worked from home, simply because I don't have a dedicated workspace in my apartment and I like to be able to put everything away and out of sight in the evenings.
Maybe something like this, with two sides to it. One yours, the other your coworkers??
https://www.displays2go.com/P-39080/Magnetic-Whiteboard-Dual-Writing-Surface-Locking-Wheels?msclkid=4456685d89bc1ce6e425083e9b82d472&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping - Notice & Message Boards&utm_term=4580702885623187&utm_content=Write-On Boards
Talked to my son last night. He's doing well, but he's the one that's extremely stubborn and believes he knows everything (not unlike I was at that age, until I realized I knew very little!).
He had Covid, pretty bad, back around last Summer. We are asking him to please get the vaccine as soon as he can and he believes he's now immune. Not to the variants or not to getting it again. Though he's young and healthy, I still very much worry about him getting it again. He's also one of those kids that goes off and on carrying health insurance because he's mostly a commissioned sales rep. Although he lost his job with Covid, he's now got a pretty good job and I want him to not find himself in a hospital with no insurance. As a parent, you have to always walk a tight rope between advice and being obnoxious with adult kids.15 -
I got to sign up for my first shot!
Indiana opened up vaccination appointments to those 30+ yesterday as a bit of a surprise to everyone. The information that had been released and pushed by news agencies was the opening to 16+ coming tomorrow (the 31st). However, middle of the day yesterday I got multiple emails that they did the 30+ release.
I am now scheduled on the 8th at the nearby Kroger. By going through their website I got a much earlier date then going through the state's site. The earliest I would have gotten through there is the 22nd for something local (aka not an hours drive one way).12 -
My husband and I are signed up for our first shots! We qualify on April 1 as the 50+ age range, and one health network was letting that group into their site even before that date to make appointments. They even had March dates available, but I'm not chancing being turned away because we didn't yet qualify. I picked April 2 (Friday).
We're going to Dodger Stadium. Probably will be long car lines but we'll just kick back and listen to some tunes.
I chose Moderna for us but the site offers all the types available, so I don't know what we'll get.13 -
I am getting so discouraged again - our gov't has categories and right now we are on the 70+ group - but I keep hearing that the vaccination sites have lots of open appointments because the older people are waiting "until the rush is over" . So they could potentially do 30% more people, except you aren't allowed to book unless you qualify. Meanwhile we have younger people who are going out to work who want a vaccine and aren't allowed to book it yet.
Now our cases are surging again and we are heading for a lockdown this week - our Premier said today "don't make any plans for Easter".
Like why not just open it up to everyone and let them book if they have the spaces? At least open it up to a wider range, like 50+, and fill the damn spots. We don't have time to push and prod and cajole people to get their shots, if they don't want to go let someone else who does have it.
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I mentioned yesterday that my daughter woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. She tested yesterday. She called me at 8 am today to let me know her test was positive. She visited us Saturday and had no symptoms. We went in for tests at noon today. The National Guard was administering the tests at the site we went to. Very well organized and moved quickly.
We’re scheduled for our second Moderna shot 4/8. Hopefully we’ll have negative results.
Please be careful everyone. My daughter has been very diligent about following all guidelines during this past year. Her company has had most employees working from home for about 5-6 years. She has very little outside contact, besides visiting us, and grocery shopping.31 -
missysippy930 wrote: »I mentioned yesterday that my daughter woke up with a sore throat and runny nose. She tested yesterday. She called me at 8 am today to let me know her test was positive. She visited us Saturday and had no symptoms. We went in for tests at noon today. The National Guard was administering the tests at the site we went to. Very well organized and moved quickly.
We’re scheduled for our second Moderna shot 4/8. Hopefully we’ll have negative results.
Please be careful everyone. My daughter has been very diligent about following all guidelines during this past year. Her company has had most employees working from home for about 5-6 years. She has very little outside contact, besides visiting us, and grocery shopping.
I hope everyone in your family is okay.
The good news is that you got your first Moderna shot more than two weeks ago. They are finding that there is really good protection at that point, so, hopefully, you will test negative.17 -
Had my first Covid shot today.
Astra Zeneca - as will everyone in Australia other than phase1a which is hospital hubs giving Pfizer.
We are now also onto phase 1b which includes, among other criteria, "other health workers" - so that's me.
About 6 hours ago - mildly sore arm, no other side effects so far.13 -
paperpudding wrote: »Had my first Covid shot today.
Astra Zeneca - as will everyone in Australia other than phase1a which is hospital hubs giving Pfizer.
We are now also onto phase 1b which includes, among other criteria, "other health workers" - so that's me.
About 6 hours ago - mildly sore arm, no other side effects so far.
I had a first shot today too, it was pfizer. I work in a regional airport and while not frontline, as part of airport management we were included in the 1a phase too. Second shot is three weeks away.
Hasn't been three hours yet for me, but so far nothing.
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3 weeks away?
that is interesting
AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »3 weeks away?
that is interesting
AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.
I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).3 -
I didnt know that.
I guess that does mean people in phase1a, the highest risk group, will be fully vaccinated sooner, so that's good.
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Just breaking -- Pfizer announces they are 100% effective for kids 12 to 15. That's awesome.
I got Pfizer last Friday (first shot). My next shot was scheduled 3 weeks later.11 -
paperpudding wrote: »3 weeks away?
that is interesting
AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.
Yes, Pfizer is 3 weeks and Moderna is 4 weeks.3 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Just breaking -- Pfizer announces they are 100% effective for kids 12 to 15. That's awesome.
I got Pfizer last Friday (first shot). My next shot was scheduled 3 weeks later.
That's great, but 100% effective? Have never heard of a vaccine with that level of protection.
That's what they are claiming. They say it's 90% for adults, so with kids' natural immunity, I don't see that as a huge stretch. Perhaps it's like 99.8% and they are rounding up. I'm sure you'll hear more details later on it as they come out. I'm also not aware of how many were in the study. I would guess it has to be larger numbers.
Found a bit more details on it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-is-100-effective-in-12-to-15-year-olds-2021-3
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tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »3 weeks away?
that is interesting
AZ: we were told 12 weeks between doses.
I believe the protocol for Pfizer is three weeks between doses (at least in Australia, don't know about anywhere else).
Unless you are in Canada! We are spacing Pfizer out to 16 weeks. Got my first early March, next one June 28.
I think we are in much worse shape than Australia though, our cases are surging right now and they want to get as many first shots in arms as possible. Plus we have an ongoing vaccine shortage.
Astra Zeneca is also on hold here for those under 55 due to the blood clot issue. The Astra Zeneca rollout has been a nightmare here - first it was only for those under 60, then up to 65, then they said anyone can get it, now they are saying only over 55. Wouldn't surprise me if most of it goes in the garbage they have lost the confidence of the population with the constant recommendation changes, and I already know people who are refusing it (or planning to refuse it).7
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