Coronavirus prep
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Haha re: the Tylenol! Yes, me too. Very curious. Since the disorder is characterized by low platelet count (and internal bleeding) in addition to antibody-activated platelets, I am wondering if low platelet count is one precondition. I am also wondering if menstruating women are more likely to be low platelet. Strange that the clots were all in the same place (vein from brain). And the same with AZ. Wondering if it reflects an anatomical attribute. It's all conjecture, obv, and I will be eager to hear actual findings as the investigation progresses.8
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Well, we’re inundated with pharmaceutical prescription ads on tv daily. It seems they spend a good chunk of the ad listing the possible side affects that may occur. Nothing is totally risk free, or 100% effective.
I received my second shot last Thursday. We had Moderna, but if I could have chosen, it would have been J & J. Moot point, because they suspended using it for now, but I’d still take the shot if available, and I had the choice and if I weren’t already vaccinated.
Who knows what will transpire over time? We take risks for a lot of things. Is a +90% effective rate good enough? For me it is. Better than doing nothing.7 -
My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.9 -
They're pausing J&J in the US while they investigate a rare blood clot issue. I found this article really in-depth compared to others with details and links.
Main points:- J&J and AZ vaccines have the same structure, they use an adenovirus vector to combat the spike protein of COVID.
- Reactions were seen in young women (ages 18-48) not typically at risk to these types blood clots.
- Over 7 million doses of J&J have already been administered.
- CVST (Cerebral Venous Sinus Thrombosis) occurs in about five out of a million people.
- CVST causes blood clots and a drop in platelets meaning traditional treatments for clots, like heparin, cannot be used.
- A small number (I read six in another article) adverse reactions (including one death and one hospitalization in critical condition) have been reported.
- When vaccines jump from screened trial participants numbering in the tens of thousands versus millions in the general population, adverse reactions are expected.
- People who had J&J over a month ago are out of the woods, according to Dr. Fauci. (Symptoms occurred between 6-13 days after receiving the shot.) People who have had the shot more recently should be on the alert for symptoms: headache, blurred vision, seizures, loss of control of the body.
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Who here (besides me) bought a pulse oximeter because of COVID?
when myself and a family member both had covid, it was comforting to check my oxygen levels while recovering at home.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
Politics and common sense application of statistics, they are antithetical1 -
Dropping in with a little “COVID-Vax Arm info from WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-vaccine-rash-side-effect/2021/04/09/7517bad0-97bd-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html
Here's the original New England Journal of Medicine article - and yes that's what my arm looks like
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102131
I had that sort of reaction as well on the shot arm but below where I got the shot, closer to my elbow which is still sore. I also had the intense itching in the hands and feet, a hive like rash that appeared on my arms and forehead, accompanied by more itching. Those were not immediate reactions so I almost didn't think it was connected, but now I'm sure. It has still not completely resolved itself 100% but I think it's getting better. I'm 3 weeks post 2nd shot. I am using Benedryl and cortisone cream which seems to help, at least it lets me sleep which is when the itch feels worse.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
But that depends a bit where you are.
Here in Australia AZ is no longer recomendec for under 50's unless in high risk situations.
As we have almost zero community transmission, any number of deaths from clotting issues would outweigh the deaths from Covid.
Of course we will eventually open international borders - but that is the situation now.
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Who here (besides me) bought a pulse oximeter because of COVID?
when myself and a family member both had covid, it was comforting to check my oxygen levels while recovering at home.
I bought one for ourselves and had one delivered to both grown children and some other family members. Article in the local news about a healthy 32 year old dying in our community when her levels got too low before seeking medical attention.
My wife and I both had Covid and used it, but we never got a reading outside the normal range.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
But that depends a bit where you are.
Here in Australia AZ is no longer recomendec for under 50's unless in high risk situations.
As we have almost zero community transmission, any number of deaths from clotting issues would outweigh the deaths from Covid.
Of course we will eventually open international borders - but that is the situation now.
Of course - he was looking at statistics in the U.S.
Basically, 6 cases and 1 death with 7 million vaccines vs. a conservative estimate that 1 in 100 of those vaccinated will get infected with Covid if not vaccinated and 1 in 150 of those infected will die. Statistically, we are talking about a whole lot more dead when we don't give the vaccine. 467 deaths among those 7M because they don't get vaccinated vs. 1 death among those 7M because they do get vaccinated.
He acknowledges this model completely ignores transmission - a rate of 1:1 is a conservative estimate that should be used. So it's actually far worse to stop vaccinations than the statistics would indicate.
In Australia, "a conservative estimate that 1 in 100 of those vaccinated will get infected with Covid" is going to be a very different number and that changes the end result.8 -
In a related question to the pulse oximeter (which my Apple watch has one and sometimes it is accurate LOL). How many folks do NOT have a thermometer? I am constantly astounded to hear friends tell me when I ask if they are running a fever that they do not have one......I will admit that without children prior to having the flu in early 2018, I only had a couple old ones which the batteries were dead on, but with Covid, I have at least 1 which runs mechanically (not mercury but another chemical which is just as difficult to read) and 2 which are digital.4
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SummerSkier wrote: »In a related question to the pulse oximeter (which my Apple watch has one and sometimes it is accurate LOL). How many folks do NOT have a thermometer? I am constantly astounded to hear friends tell me when I ask if they are running a fever that they do not have one......I will admit that without children prior to having the flu in early 2018, I only had a couple old ones which the batteries were dead on, but with Covid, I have at least 1 which runs mechanically (not mercury but another chemical which is just as difficult to read) and 2 which are digital.
I think it is way more common to have one if you have kids.
I had an old, nearly dead digital one that I hadn't used in a while...it got some use early on in the pandemic, when I was paranoid and taking my temperature every day.
I just replaced it with a new digital one, and put it to good use! Got to tell the CDC survey exactly how high my fever was after my second vaccine dose!4 -
Who here (besides me) bought a pulse oximeter because of COVID?
when myself and a family member both had covid, it was comforting to check my oxygen levels while recovering at home.
I did too. I read that people were going to the ER way too late because they didn't realize that their oxygen levels were dangerously low, so I ordered one.1 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »My SIL texted me that her neighbor had gone to the health dept vaccine clinic nearby for her appt and heard they had a couple of hundred extra J&J shots that they were accepting walk ins for. I put on some real pants and ran down there and within 15 minutes I was vaccinated.
I am on their mailing list and follow them on FB, and there were no emails or posts advertising it. And there were folks there, but no line. I'm so grateful I found out about it, but no idea why they weren't pulling names off the state list and texting people.
So I ran a bit of a fever last night and felt generally achy. I woke up this morning and the fever is gone for now, but the news said the FDA is suggesting the US halt J&J because it's also seeing rare cases of this blood clot disorder. Oh boy
Nate Silver has a valid point if you follow him on Twitter. Basically pointing out that the number of deaths prevented by going forward with the vaccine far outweighs the number of deaths from this blood clot issue. He is right.
From a public health perspective it makes sense, even if 1/1000 people died from the vaccine, the other 999 would be protected from COVID death. But do I want to be that one person who sacrifices myself for the cause? Not really.
I think the main issue here is that we have other vaccines available that don't *seem* to have the same reaction. So is it really ethical to continue using vaccines that do cause this reaction?
As paperpudding suggested that probably depends on how bad the outbreak is in a given place. In Australia it would seem that they could safely wait without too much death and destruction happening. Here in Ontario cases are out of control and our hospitals are getting overwhelmed, so might not be the best idea to wait.2 -
All our thermometers broke, batteries corroded, otherwise not functional. We might have one, but I'm honestly unsure. We too bought a pulse oximeter that I find comforting to use occasionally even having NOT had covid Also had adult offspring buy them.4
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SummerSkier wrote: »In a related question to the pulse oximeter (which my Apple watch has one and sometimes it is accurate LOL). How many folks do NOT have a thermometer? I am constantly astounded to hear friends tell me when I ask if they are running a fever that they do not have one......I will admit that without children prior to having the flu in early 2018, I only had a couple old ones which the batteries were dead on, but with Covid, I have at least 1 which runs mechanically (not mercury but another chemical which is just as difficult to read) and 2 which are digital.
Very good point.
My dd just got off quarantine last Thursday. She does not have one. Her birthday is coming up 4/30. We can visit with her starting 4/22, which is two weeks after our 2nd covid shot. She’s getting a thermometer in her birthday gift box. We have one, it’s never been opened, so I’ll have to check it to see if it’s working.
BTW, my daughter has been working from home for several years, contact with others limited to, visiting us, grocery shopping, and the laundromat. She is very diligent about following the guidelines, and still contracted covid. Be careful everyone.
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SummerSkier wrote: »In a related question to the pulse oximeter (which my Apple watch has one and sometimes it is accurate LOL). How many folks do NOT have a thermometer? I am constantly astounded to hear friends tell me when I ask if they are running a fever that they do not have one......I will admit that without children prior to having the flu in early 2018, I only had a couple old ones which the batteries were dead on, but with Covid, I have at least 1 which runs mechanically (not mercury but another chemical which is just as difficult to read) and 2 which are digital.
I did get a pulse oximeter, and around the same time I also got a thermometer. I'd not had one pre-covid (no kids, so I never really had a need), and I realized that I wouldn't know if I were running a fever (or even what my normal temp was). At first it was hard to find one, so I suspect there was a run on them, but I eventually acquired one.2 -
Just heard on the news that Canada had it's first case of vaccine induced blood clot. They also said the woman is "recovering at home" - so that is encouraging. Now that they are aware of it I guess they can be on the lookout and treat it promptly when it happens.1
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Just heard on the news that Canada had it's first case of vaccine induced blood clot. They also said the woman is "recovering at home" - so that is encouraging. Now that they are aware of it I guess they can be on the lookout and treat it promptly when it happens.
They're not releasing her age, dammit. Although we know she's over 55....1
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