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rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I'll give a report on Italy. We're moving along with vaccinations. Doing 65+ now and I'm in that group, so last day of May is my appointment for 1st dose--Pfizer. Husband lucked out and is all done (slipped into a cancellation slot).
Our problem is: vaccines ordered are not arriving as promised. AZ is especially the culprit, and the UE is cancelling future contracts with them. Pfizer arrivals are slow too and it was announced that instead of receiving the 2nd dose 2 weeks after it will be extended to 40 days. Sigh, that'll effect me. Better half than nothing.
COVID is slowing here. As the days get longer there are fewer infections and rules are being loosened. For now bars and restaurants have to have tables outside and everything must close at 9:30pm and everyone must go home. Soon this will be moved to 11:00pm, and people will be seated inside again. Masks and distancing are still required. Schools are open, as are museums. Soon theaters, cinemas, gyms, and pools etc. will open with caution. We now have a 3.5% transmission rate. Deaths are way down. So, things are looking up.
I've kept up with my exercising since October--stretching and yoga at home, and powerwalking, running for 45 min every morning around the park. I think we've missed 5 days, for rain, in 7 and a half months. However, I miss the pool. I can't wait until it opens, and I can get back in the gym for some strength training.
I just got a message from the health dept. My 1st dose of Pfizer is confirmed for May 29th. The 2nd dose has been pushed back to July 3rd. I was expecting it, but I'm just so disappointed now that it's happened. I'd like to tell them to shove it.
Chances are good you will be protected after the first dose - 80% of people are.
The difference in immunity between the first and second doses has been repeatedly misrepresented by the press and others, including Dr. Fauci, who should know better. There’s no evidence for “partial immunity” after the first dose - that isn’t what any study has tested for. Studies group people into statistics, but individual people are not to be confused with statistics. About 80% of people have an immune response after the first dose. About one in 10, especially people in treatment for cancer, don’t until after the second dose. Some, depending on which vax about 1 in 10, will never develop immunity from the vaccine.
That’s the reasoning behind the U.K. delaying second doses and getting a first dose into as many people as possible, and it has worked. It’s simple math. You have 20 doses, and 20 people. If you give one dose to everybody, you end up with 16 immune. If you give two doses to half the people, you end up with 9 immune. In the short term, it’s better to have 16 than nine, and wait until you can give the second dose to all 20 - at which time you will pick up an additional two people, and have 18 immune.
this is VERY interesting! do you have any good links that explain this (going to look myself, but thought I'd ask in case you have anything)?
here in Ontario they just cancelled all public events through September (we are currently not allowed to leave our houses - a stay at home order that they extend every two weeks and are expected to continue to do so through the summer) with the message that the majority only have one shot so we are not protected until the fall. if this is true, it could change everything - yet hasn't once been mentioned my the news or "health experts" which is interesting.5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
I think this guidance was premature. There's still a lot of virus out there. We do mitigation testing at my workplace, and still have people testing positive, including fully vaccinated people. Those fully vaccinated did not get very sick, had mild symptoms, but some passed it on to unvaccinated family members, who did get quite ill.
It's going to make it really hard for individual businesses to enforce mask rules. People can just say they are vaccinated, even if they are not.
I think that in my area, where there is really high mask compliance, we'll see a very slow change, not people just suddenly flinging off their masks.
I know I'm still going to wear mine in grocery stores, at work, and any indoor public places. Outside for a walk, no.9 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
I think this guidance was premature. There's still a lot of virus out there. We do mitigation testing at my workplace, and still have people testing positive, including fully vaccinated people. Those fully vaccinated did not get very sick, had mild symptoms, but some passed it on to unvaccinated family members, who did get quite ill.
It's going to make it really hard for individual businesses to enforce mask rules. People can just say they are vaccinated, even if they are not.
I think that in my area, where there is really high mask compliance, we'll see a very slow change, not people just suddenly flinging off their masks.
I know I'm still going to wear mine in grocery stores, at work, and any indoor public places. Outside for a walk, no.
Individual businesses can still require masks.
From the CDC:
For now, if you’ve been fully vaccinated:
You will still need to follow guidance at your workplace and local businesses.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
I think this guidance was premature. There's still a lot of virus out there. We do mitigation testing at my workplace, and still have people testing positive, including fully vaccinated people. Those fully vaccinated did not get very sick, had mild symptoms, but some passed it on to unvaccinated family members, who did get quite ill.
It's going to make it really hard for individual businesses to enforce mask rules. People can just say they are vaccinated, even if they are not.
I think that in my area, where there is really high mask compliance, we'll see a very slow change, not people just suddenly flinging off their masks.
I know I'm still going to wear mine in grocery stores, at work, and any indoor public places. Outside for a walk, no.
Individual businesses can still require masks.
From the CDC:
For now, if you’ve been fully vaccinated:
You will still need to follow guidance at your workplace and local businesses.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
Yes, but it's going to make it more difficult for those businesses. They are going to have to deal with more arguments from people, as they no longer have CDC guidelines and local ordinances to point to. They are going to hear a lot of "But, I'm vaccinated, and the CDC said..."
I understand it's in the fine print that you still need to comply with workplace and business guidelines, but that's not in the headlines that people are reading.5 -
My 15-year-old niece got her first dose yesterday! She’s the last person in our close family group to get the vaccine. Her parents were SO happy they approved the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds now. They were frustrated that she had been just below the previously approved 16-and-older group.13
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
My husband, who has been strict about safety the entire time since March 2020, has declared tomorrow is Chinese Buffet time! We were also already planning haircuts for the first time since pre-COVID. We have a place we went regularly (and for every major holiday or life event) that we haven't been to in over a year. Science says it is ok, we trust the science (Specifically I trust Fauci). I'm likely still wearing mine while not actively eating, but will feel ok being in a building and eating.
Interested to see what my workplace will do without CDC guidance to point to for mask and distancing. Not going back to a gym yet, but I am going to start inviting friends to walk with me again on weekends. And we will be hosting our joint birthday party with friends next month unless anything major changes.
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snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I'll give a report on Italy. We're moving along with vaccinations. Doing 65+ now and I'm in that group, so last day of May is my appointment for 1st dose--Pfizer. Husband lucked out and is all done (slipped into a cancellation slot).
Our problem is: vaccines ordered are not arriving as promised. AZ is especially the culprit, and the UE is cancelling future contracts with them. Pfizer arrivals are slow too and it was announced that instead of receiving the 2nd dose 2 weeks after it will be extended to 40 days. Sigh, that'll effect me. Better half than nothing.
COVID is slowing here. As the days get longer there are fewer infections and rules are being loosened. For now bars and restaurants have to have tables outside and everything must close at 9:30pm and everyone must go home. Soon this will be moved to 11:00pm, and people will be seated inside again. Masks and distancing are still required. Schools are open, as are museums. Soon theaters, cinemas, gyms, and pools etc. will open with caution. We now have a 3.5% transmission rate. Deaths are way down. So, things are looking up.
I've kept up with my exercising since October--stretching and yoga at home, and powerwalking, running for 45 min every morning around the park. I think we've missed 5 days, for rain, in 7 and a half months. However, I miss the pool. I can't wait until it opens, and I can get back in the gym for some strength training.
I just got a message from the health dept. My 1st dose of Pfizer is confirmed for May 29th. The 2nd dose has been pushed back to July 3rd. I was expecting it, but I'm just so disappointed now that it's happened. I'd like to tell them to shove it.
Our second shot was extended to 16 weeks. I got my first March 3 and my second was booked for April 8 - then they emailed me to say it was pushed back to June 28.
I was a bit pissed at first, but after looking into it I am now 100% on board with getting everyone their first shot more quickly by extending the second dose. I wouldn't want to get my second shot while other at risk people were still waiting for their first.
I am surprised though that you are only getting yours now. I thought Ontario was bad with the rollout, but we are down to the 30+ age group next week here and everyone 18+ is supposed to be eligible by the end of May (but I guess that is an effect of giving only the first dose).
Our third wave surge seems to have peaked so hopefully now that about 50% of our population has their first dose the worst is behind us.
"Eligible" and "vaccine appointment availability" are two very different things, however. We've been going in two week spurts here because supply has been so limited, although supposedly that will improve in June. And I'm hoping they're right because in July the second shots will be due for the March patients.
When I checked the city health department’s site yesterday, it said you can book your appointment either online or by calling a service phone to leave your number and they will call you back. They made it very clear to only call once even if you don’t hear from them soon, as they will only call people back when they have appointments available, and that can take more than a week after a person has called them. 2nd shots are extended to 8ish weeks, I think.
A friend recently found out that whenever new age groups are opened, they open online booking at midnight. I don’t know if that’s the case elsewhere, but at least here it’s definitely worth it to stay awake until midnight the night before, so you can book it as soon as the clock hits midnight and the opening date rolls in. A friend group with eligible people talked about it this week, and the difference between booking at midnight and in the morning was that the midnight bookers got appointments booked about a week earlier.
Yeah we did that here for my daughter. She got a shot booked on the main provincial site but it was a bit of a drive and two weeks away. We have “pop up” clinics that are local and only book a week in advance - so I logged on right before midnight and right at 12 a whole day of open slots opened up 5 minutes from our house 7 days away so I booked that and cancelled the other one. She went on her lunch break and was there and back without having to miss any work.
That’s why I am so confused about people posting that they can only get Pfizer in limited places in Australia (and maybe other countries). Here they are giving it everywhere - pharmacies, pop up clinics, hockey rinks, community centres, workplaces. There must be a way to transport it because we are doing it here.
The real question is why enough doses aren't arriving in Europe---they were ordered.
Yeah I am shocked about that. We had a super slow roll out compared to the US and we seem to have loads of vaccine now. Did Europe maybe order Astra Zeneca first and then decide to switch to Pfizer after the side effects or something? I think Canada went all in on all the vaccines from the beginning to hedge our bets, but Pfizer is the one we have the most of and has the most regular deliveries coming in right now. I think it is also the one we will be sticking with going forward, from my understanding we have already secured booster doses for the next few years in case we need them.4 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I'll give a report on Italy. We're moving along with vaccinations. Doing 65+ now and I'm in that group, so last day of May is my appointment for 1st dose--Pfizer. Husband lucked out and is all done (slipped into a cancellation slot).
Our problem is: vaccines ordered are not arriving as promised. AZ is especially the culprit, and the UE is cancelling future contracts with them. Pfizer arrivals are slow too and it was announced that instead of receiving the 2nd dose 2 weeks after it will be extended to 40 days. Sigh, that'll effect me. Better half than nothing.
COVID is slowing here. As the days get longer there are fewer infections and rules are being loosened. For now bars and restaurants have to have tables outside and everything must close at 9:30pm and everyone must go home. Soon this will be moved to 11:00pm, and people will be seated inside again. Masks and distancing are still required. Schools are open, as are museums. Soon theaters, cinemas, gyms, and pools etc. will open with caution. We now have a 3.5% transmission rate. Deaths are way down. So, things are looking up.
I've kept up with my exercising since October--stretching and yoga at home, and powerwalking, running for 45 min every morning around the park. I think we've missed 5 days, for rain, in 7 and a half months. However, I miss the pool. I can't wait until it opens, and I can get back in the gym for some strength training.
I just got a message from the health dept. My 1st dose of Pfizer is confirmed for May 29th. The 2nd dose has been pushed back to July 3rd. I was expecting it, but I'm just so disappointed now that it's happened. I'd like to tell them to shove it.
Our second shot was extended to 16 weeks. I got my first March 3 and my second was booked for April 8 - then they emailed me to say it was pushed back to June 28.
I was a bit pissed at first, but after looking into it I am now 100% on board with getting everyone their first shot more quickly by extending the second dose. I wouldn't want to get my second shot while other at risk people were still waiting for their first.
I am surprised though that you are only getting yours now. I thought Ontario was bad with the rollout, but we are down to the 30+ age group next week here and everyone 18+ is supposed to be eligible by the end of May (but I guess that is an effect of giving only the first dose).
Our third wave surge seems to have peaked so hopefully now that about 50% of our population has their first dose the worst is behind us.
"Eligible" and "vaccine appointment availability" are two very different things, however. We've been going in two week spurts here because supply has been so limited, although supposedly that will improve in June. And I'm hoping they're right because in July the second shots will be due for the March patients.
When I checked the city health department’s site yesterday, it said you can book your appointment either online or by calling a service phone to leave your number and they will call you back. They made it very clear to only call once even if you don’t hear from them soon, as they will only call people back when they have appointments available, and that can take more than a week after a person has called them. 2nd shots are extended to 8ish weeks, I think.
A friend recently found out that whenever new age groups are opened, they open online booking at midnight. I don’t know if that’s the case elsewhere, but at least here it’s definitely worth it to stay awake until midnight the night before, so you can book it as soon as the clock hits midnight and the opening date rolls in. A friend group with eligible people talked about it this week, and the difference between booking at midnight and in the morning was that the midnight bookers got appointments booked about a week earlier.
That’s why I am so confused about people posting that they can only get Pfizer in limited places in Australia (and maybe other countries). Here they are giving it everywhere - pharmacies, pop up clinics, hockey rinks, community centres, workplaces. There must be a way to transport it because we are doing it here.
I assume they use some sort of portable freezers - or have access to get the vaccines/ return the vaccines to frozen, say, at the local hospital or blood bank.
Because it can be at regular temps for some hours, I'm not sure exactly how long.
Australia is very spread out - meaning outside of capital cities , the regional population is very low density and widely dispersed - many a long way from a major hospital or blood service.
Other issue is plain availability - AZ is domestically produced, pfizerr has to be imported. We have less supplies of Pfizer- not enough to be financially viable to spread around the country.5 -
Where I live, the governor lifted all requirements for masks as of May 1. All store and restaurant employees are still wearing them where I shop. About 2/3 or 3/4? Of customers are still wearing them. My bank replaced the sign that said “Masks required inside” with one the exact same size, same color that says “Masks encouraged inside”.
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NVM/oops.3
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No choice for travelers, and I am good with that. I am planning to still wear masks inside stores and buildings. Eating inside is still something that my husband and I are not comfortable with not even with masks.
Ongoing mask mandate for travelers: 'It will be enforced, period (https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/mask-mandate-travel-industry-cdc-guidance/index.html)
Travel is a big exception for new mask guidance in the United States, and the transportation industry says it will continue to strictly enforce mask use.
The head of the largest association of flight attendants said "there should be no confusion" about new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance saying fully vaccinated Americans no longer need to wear masks indoors, but still need to wear masks when traveling.
"This doesn't include transportation," Association of Flight Attendants President Sara Nelson told CNN. "There's a mask order in place and it will be enforced, period."5 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
I'm cool with it. I've never done the mask up outdoors thing and don't really live in an area that is crowded enough to really warrant that. The only time I've ever worn a mask outdoors was at large gatherings like my kids' soccer games and such.
I feel pretty comfortable without a mask for "normal" indoor stuff like shopping and whatnot. I'll still wear one in situations that are very crowded and I have little to no space of my own, but that's about it.7 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Well the CDC says it is now okay to not wear masks outside or indoors unless in super close quarters like a bus/train. How does everyone feel about going maskless now?
I was in a small shop this morning and 2 of the 3 employees weren't wearing masks (I was the only customer). I have to admit, it made me kind of nervous. Even though I am totally vaccinated and my husband got his 2nd shot this week, I have spent the last year begin super cautious because my husband's immune system is pretty much non-existent.
Even though I know logically the risk is very low right now, I think it will take some time to get over the emotional reaction of being worried about it.7 -
Even with the CDC mask mandate being lifted for all except big crowds, Los Angeles County is still being more strict although as far as I can tell, I don't need it outdoors...? but vaccinated people can gather indoors.
patch.com/california/culvercity/s/hkhwu/maks-mandates-remain-in-place-los-angeles-county-despite-cdc?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
I'm not sure when all restrictions will be lifted - June 15 is "likely" but that doesn't mean "definitely." Enough already with those "could" "might" "may" "likely" "as early as"
I'll believe it when I see it
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The mask signs around my condo complex have been removed (both indoors and outdoors, but I will still wear mine indoors as the ventilation isn't the greatest).
I still saw a bunch of people with masks on though. Perhaps they didn't get vaccinated yet. My second shot was exactly 2 weeks ago.
I'm thinking I can run my long run tomorrow without the mask...in the areas where I run, they're generally not crowded except I never knew if I'd run into a cluster of people. Now I figure I can run unmasked anyway.4 -
This article with the explanations given by Dr. Wen, has a better information that what the CDC just put forward.
What to make of the CDC's new guidelines for vaccinated people? Dr. Wen explains
"The key is that vaccinated people are well protected, but the unvaccinated are not. The danger to them is not from the vaccinated, but from others who are not yet vaccinated. My concern with the CDC guidelines is that they don't distinguish between who's vaccinated and who's not.
The unvaccinated are now at higher risk, because previously people around them were masked, and now some others who are unvaccinated may be unmasked and not keeping up with distancing."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/health/following-new-cdc-guidelines-wen-wellness/index.html9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I'll give a report on Italy. We're moving along with vaccinations. Doing 65+ now and I'm in that group, so last day of May is my appointment for 1st dose--Pfizer. Husband lucked out and is all done (slipped into a cancellation slot).
Our problem is: vaccines ordered are not arriving as promised. AZ is especially the culprit, and the UE is cancelling future contracts with them. Pfizer arrivals are slow too and it was announced that instead of receiving the 2nd dose 2 weeks after it will be extended to 40 days. Sigh, that'll effect me. Better half than nothing.
COVID is slowing here. As the days get longer there are fewer infections and rules are being loosened. For now bars and restaurants have to have tables outside and everything must close at 9:30pm and everyone must go home. Soon this will be moved to 11:00pm, and people will be seated inside again. Masks and distancing are still required. Schools are open, as are museums. Soon theaters, cinemas, gyms, and pools etc. will open with caution. We now have a 3.5% transmission rate. Deaths are way down. So, things are looking up.
I've kept up with my exercising since October--stretching and yoga at home, and powerwalking, running for 45 min every morning around the park. I think we've missed 5 days, for rain, in 7 and a half months. However, I miss the pool. I can't wait until it opens, and I can get back in the gym for some strength training.
I just got a message from the health dept. My 1st dose of Pfizer is confirmed for May 29th. The 2nd dose has been pushed back to July 3rd. I was expecting it, but I'm just so disappointed now that it's happened. I'd like to tell them to shove it.
Our second shot was extended to 16 weeks. I got my first March 3 and my second was booked for April 8 - then they emailed me to say it was pushed back to June 28.
I was a bit pissed at first, but after looking into it I am now 100% on board with getting everyone their first shot more quickly by extending the second dose. I wouldn't want to get my second shot while other at risk people were still waiting for their first.
I am surprised though that you are only getting yours now. I thought Ontario was bad with the rollout, but we are down to the 30+ age group next week here and everyone 18+ is supposed to be eligible by the end of May (but I guess that is an effect of giving only the first dose).
Our third wave surge seems to have peaked so hopefully now that about 50% of our population has their first dose the worst is behind us.
"Eligible" and "vaccine appointment availability" are two very different things, however. We've been going in two week spurts here because supply has been so limited, although supposedly that will improve in June. And I'm hoping they're right because in July the second shots will be due for the March patients.
When I checked the city health department’s site yesterday, it said you can book your appointment either online or by calling a service phone to leave your number and they will call you back. They made it very clear to only call once even if you don’t hear from them soon, as they will only call people back when they have appointments available, and that can take more than a week after a person has called them. 2nd shots are extended to 8ish weeks, I think.
A friend recently found out that whenever new age groups are opened, they open online booking at midnight. I don’t know if that’s the case elsewhere, but at least here it’s definitely worth it to stay awake until midnight the night before, so you can book it as soon as the clock hits midnight and the opening date rolls in. A friend group with eligible people talked about it this week, and the difference between booking at midnight and in the morning was that the midnight bookers got appointments booked about a week earlier.
Yeah we did that here for my daughter. She got a shot booked on the main provincial site but it was a bit of a drive and two weeks away. We have “pop up” clinics that are local and only book a week in advance - so I logged on right before midnight and right at 12 a whole day of open slots opened up 5 minutes from our house 7 days away so I booked that and cancelled the other one. She went on her lunch break and was there and back without having to miss any work.
That’s why I am so confused about people posting that they can only get Pfizer in limited places in Australia (and maybe other countries). Here they are giving it everywhere - pharmacies, pop up clinics, hockey rinks, community centres, workplaces. There must be a way to transport it because we are doing it here.
The real question is why enough doses aren't arriving in Europe---they were ordered.
Yeah I am shocked about that. We had a super slow roll out compared to the US and we seem to have loads of vaccine now. Did Europe maybe order Astra Zeneca first and then decide to switch to Pfizer after the side effects or something? I think Canada went all in on all the vaccines from the beginning to hedge our bets, but Pfizer is the one we have the most of and has the most regular deliveries coming in right now. I think it is also the one we will be sticking with going forward, from my understanding we have already secured booster doses for the next few years in case we need them.
Nope, EU went all in on all vaccines and has ordered
- 600 million doses of Pfizer
- 460 million doses of Moderna
- 400 million doses of Astra Zeneca
- 400 million doses of Johnson & Johnson
- 800 million doses of vaccines that are still in development / aren’t approved yet
Total population of EU is about 445 million people, including children who aren’t eligible. That’s about 6 doses per citizen even if you count every single person regardless of whether they’re actually eligible.
From what I understand, the biggest delivery issues were/are because some biological instabilities in vaccine production, as well as export bans that prevent vaccine and equipment manufacturers from shipping deliveries out of their own countries.3 -
Just received an update on the mask guidance for our workplace: masks are still required except if you've been fully vaccinated. You cannot ask about an employee's vaccination status. Not feeling very comfortable with that considering the Venn diagram of those who are anti-mask and those who refuse to take and will lie about their vaccination status is just two circles on top of each other.
Despite feeling pretty close to fully open (seriously, traffic SUCKS again) with stores seeming pretty busy, our case number have continued to go down in CA and are half of what they were during the summer low. That is at least encouraging that the vaccination rate and effectiveness is having a real effect. I'm just hoping we continue to take a measured and science based approach to reopening and lifting of restrictions.8 -
This article with the explanations given by Dr. Wen, has a better information that what the CDC just put forward.
What to make of the CDC's new guidelines for vaccinated people? Dr. Wen explains
"The key is that vaccinated people are well protected, but the unvaccinated are not. The danger to them is not from the vaccinated, but from others who are not yet vaccinated. My concern with the CDC guidelines is that they don't distinguish between who's vaccinated and who's not.
The unvaccinated are now at higher risk, because previously people around them were masked, and now some others who are unvaccinated may be unmasked and not keeping up with distancing."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/health/following-new-cdc-guidelines-wen-wellness/index.html
They haven't covered the new guidelines on TWIV yet, but most of the virologists/epidemiologists I follow are not thrilled. As your quote suggests, they are concerned that there are still too many people unvaxxed, and now they can just take off their masks and gather. With a large enough minority unvaxxed and unprotected, the virus continues to circulate and mutate. They had hoped masks would have remained until we approached the expected percentage needed for herd immunity. Then you remove the training wheels and see what happens. It seems the CDC is hoping this will convince fence sitters to get their shot, getting us to herd immunity. The fear is that it does the opposite.
One thing I hear so little about is the unknown long term effects of mild and asymptomatic cases. I read ages ago about people with mild cases showing surprising lung damage and clotting, months after they tested positive. There is nowhere near enough data to tell how rare or common that is. Because I'm vaxxed I'm relieved that even if I get it, it will prob be mild at worst, but I still don't want to mess with that unknown factor. So I will still mask in crowded places and avoid crowded restaurants.
I'm also going to go back to being extra cautious in Sept. The first vaxxes will be going on a year, and the majority of vaxxes will be over 6-8 months. It feels like that's when we'll start to learn how long it lasts.
It's really wonderful news that the vaccines are proving to be highly protective and dramatically lowering if not eliminating spread! I'd be happy to ditch the mask for the summer if I believed this will get more people vaxxed, I'm just not so sure that's the case. I hope my cynicism is unwarranted
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@kimny72
I agree with your post (I just didn't want to write a long post with my personal concerns, and what I read and support from the scientific community). I also read another article just few minutes ago in CNN about parents being upset because they feel that the new CDC mask guidelines fail to take children, not vaccinated yet, into consideration and putting them at risks. I agree with that too.
I think that the CDC acted very hastily and with the hope that their actions would push more people to getting the vaccine. I hope that it is true but I doubt it. Too many people still don’t believe that COVID is a “real” thing, and too many people don’t believe in vaccines in general.
I also read that Costco, Trader Joe’s, and other stores, are canceling the masks mandate. Too soon, IMOP. I am planning to wear my mask indoors for as long as I want and feel that is needed. I really don’t trust people to be honest about their vaccination status.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/opinions/cdc-guidance-kids-cupp/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/business-money/cdc-mask-guidelines-employers/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/opinions/cdc-new-mask-guidance-concerns-holtgrave-rosenberg/index.html
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Wow! That's insane.
We went shopping today at Walmart and Lowes. Both stores still have signs up saying masks are required, though the Governor has said PA will follow CDC guidelines. Until this week, he said that we should wait to stop mask wearing only after 70% had been vaccinated. All the employees are still required to wear masks, but only about 1/4 of the customers were wearing them. It felt odd.2
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