At Goal & Successfully Maintaining. So Why Am I Doing This All Over Again?
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »But he’s already reached the “thinking about it” stage, and that’s awesome.
that usually comes right before the 'pre logging' stage.
but you and i know that
I bet he comes around to it
LOL
Or perhaps not I've been here for two years, I still don't do it!
Year 6. Pretty much never pre-log, didn't even when losing, other than a rare what-if on the last meal of a day if I know I've painted myself into a tight corner earlier in the day. I know other people swear by pre-logging as an essential success factor. I don't agree. I think it's an optional style thingie that works best for many, not for all. I don't think I've *ever* prelogged a whole day. 🤷♀️
I vote that if Spring's husband was smart enough to marry her; and now has been smart enough to realize that calorie counting can be a useful thing for him, too; then he's smart enough to figure out whether he wants/need to prelog, vs. it would annoy him as much as it would annoy me.
Call me optimistic (for once). 😉
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BL logged an hour fitness class using the MFP “add exercise” function. MFP calculated 794 calories burned. Huh?!
Adding a Tai Chi class was good for 450+.
No way, Jose. I’ve done that class with him many times and I can’t see it.
I think this explains some of the puzzlingly super high calorie burns reported by some of my MFP friends on their automated feeds.
MFP is set up for you to eat your exercise calories back. Many users buffer reporting errors by eating half of them. But if your exercise calories are wonky, you can see the problem.
If you feel like you’ve plateaued or aren’t losing fast enough, take a look at your calorie burns and ask here on the forums or one of your trusted, more experienced “friends” if the calorie burn looks accurate. You can PM any linked friend if you’re too shy to ask publicly. The other users here are so good about answering and sharing.
Better yet, invest in a fitness tracker. There’s tons out there at all price points, or you can buy used ones off Marketplace, etc. Borrow one from a friend or family member and give it a test run.
It’s pretty easy to connect and sync a tracker with MFP and let technology do the work* for you.
We are waiting for the Apple Watch 7 launch in a couple weeks to see how we’ll add to and shuffle our trackers. (Holding our breath to to see if the rumored sugar monitoring will finally be a reality.)
BL has pooh-pooh’ed the value of a tracker until now (he’s silently muttered “obsessive” under his breath at me more than once). Now he “gets” the value of accurately recording his calories.
(*some trackers require a break-in period to sorta learn your metabolism and habits before they become as potentially accurate as they may be. That’s my simple explanation.
Oh, and you’ll also discover trackers generally report far fewer calories than the calculators built into gym equipment. My own watch records 1/3 fewer calories burned than the treadmill at my gym, even when I do take the time to enter my age and weight prior to starting a session. My watch even calculates about 20% less than my own home stationary bike, which has been exclusively used by me.)4 -
springlering62 wrote: »BL logged an hour fitness class using the MFP “add exercise” function. MFP calculated 794 calories burned. Huh?!
Adding a Tai Chi class was good for 450+.
No way, Jose. I’ve done that class with him many times and I can’t see it.
I think this explains some of the puzzlingly super high calorie burns reported by some of my MFP friends on their automated feeds.
MFP is set up for you to eat your exercise calories back. Many users buffer reporting errors by eating half of them. But if your exercise calories are wonky, you can see the problem.
If you feel like you’ve plateaued or aren’t losing fast enough, take a look at your calorie burns and ask here on the forums or one of your trusted, more experienced “friends” if the calorie burn looks accurate. You can PM any linked friend if you’re too shy to ask publicly. The other users here are so good about answering and sharing.
Better yet, invest in a fitness tracker. There’s tons out there at all price points, or you can buy used ones off Marketplace, etc. Borrow one from a friend or family member and give it a test run.
It’s pretty easy to connect and sync a tracker with MFP and let technology do the work* for you.
We are waiting for the Apple Watch 7 launch in a couple weeks to see how we’ll add to and shuffle our trackers. (Holding our breath to to see if the rumored sugar monitoring will finally be a reality.)
BL has pooh-pooh’ed the value of a tracker until now (he’s silently muttered “obsessive” under his breath at me more than once). Now he “gets” the value of accurately recording his calories.
(*some trackers require a break-in period to sorta learn your metabolism and habits before they become as potentially accurate as they may be. That’s my simple explanation.
Oh, and you’ll also discover trackers generally report far fewer calories than the calculators built into gym equipment. My own watch records 1/3 fewer calories burned than the treadmill at my gym, even when I do take the time to enter my age and weight prior to starting a session. My watch even calculates about 20% less than my own home stationary bike, which has been exclusively used by me.)
Do remember that heavier people get higher burns. Since he’s a man and overweight he is burning more than you for the same activity.
I actually use the outlandish MFP estimates and successfully maintain that way. However, I also have myself set to sedentary, which isn’t necessarily true, so probably the underestimate from that and the overestimate from the exercise average out.
This is just a theory, but I feel like the estimates work better for people who are sedentary in any case, because what you’re recording is the difference between that activity and no activity - for you. The difference between literally lying on a chaise with my feet up and dancing hard for an hour is going to be more than the difference between trotting around shopping, cleaning house, and dancing for an hour. The fit person person who isn’t sedentary may well think “Gee, that walk was barely even doing anything, I don’t think I earned that many calories for it,” and be correct because they basically walk every moment of the day. While for a very unfit person whose normal is 1800 steps a day, a walk is a distinct difference from the norm.16 -
rheddmobile wrote: »springlering62 wrote: »BL logged an hour fitness class using the MFP “add exercise” function. MFP calculated 794 calories burned. Huh?!
Adding a Tai Chi class was good for 450+.
No way, Jose. I’ve done that class with him many times and I can’t see it.
I think this explains some of the puzzlingly super high calorie burns reported by some of my MFP friends on their automated feeds.
MFP is set up for you to eat your exercise calories back. Many users buffer reporting errors by eating half of them. But if your exercise calories are wonky, you can see the problem.
If you feel like you’ve plateaued or aren’t losing fast enough, take a look at your calorie burns and ask here on the forums or one of your trusted, more experienced “friends” if the calorie burn looks accurate. You can PM any linked friend if you’re too shy to ask publicly. The other users here are so good about answering and sharing.
Better yet, invest in a fitness tracker. There’s tons out there at all price points, or you can buy used ones off Marketplace, etc. Borrow one from a friend or family member and give it a test run.
It’s pretty easy to connect and sync a tracker with MFP and let technology do the work* for you.
We are waiting for the Apple Watch 7 launch in a couple weeks to see how we’ll add to and shuffle our trackers. (Holding our breath to to see if the rumored sugar monitoring will finally be a reality.)
BL has pooh-pooh’ed the value of a tracker until now (he’s silently muttered “obsessive” under his breath at me more than once). Now he “gets” the value of accurately recording his calories.
(*some trackers require a break-in period to sorta learn your metabolism and habits before they become as potentially accurate as they may be. That’s my simple explanation.
Oh, and you’ll also discover trackers generally report far fewer calories than the calculators built into gym equipment. My own watch records 1/3 fewer calories burned than the treadmill at my gym, even when I do take the time to enter my age and weight prior to starting a session. My watch even calculates about 20% less than my own home stationary bike, which has been exclusively used by me.)
Do remember that heavier people get higher burns. Since he’s a man and overweight he is burning more than you for the same activity.
I actually use the outlandish MFP estimates and successfully maintain that way. However, I also have myself set to sedentary, which isn’t necessarily true, so probably the underestimate from that and the overestimate from the exercise average out.
This is just a theory, but I feel like the estimates work better for people who are sedentary in any case, because what you’re recording is the difference between that activity and no activity - for you. The difference between literally lying on a chaise with my feet up and dancing hard for an hour is going to be more than the difference between trotting around shopping, cleaning house, and dancing for an hour. The fit person person who isn’t sedentary may well think “Gee, that walk was barely even doing anything, I don’t think I earned that many calories for it,” and be correct because they basically walk every moment of the day. While for a very unfit person whose normal is 1800 steps a day, a walk is a distinct difference from the norm.
I mean sure, but Mr. Springle still probably didn't burn 700 calories in an hour at a group exercise class, if he just started doing this five minutes ago. That's wild.
I love this developing saga and am having a great time reading it, please keep updating @springlering62
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Hijacked BL’s phone this morning, hooked it up to the Bluetooth scale, and made him weigh in.
He’s one of those who abhors the scale, so I had to put my matronly foot down and say, “yes, you did fit better when spooning (old people’s definition), but let’s make it official. Step thine butt upon yon scale.”
He was pleasantly surprised to find, ten days in to MFP, he’s down several pounds. I could already tell from the (old people def!!!!!) spooning.
So, being the totally anal private in-house personal diet coach glued to his *kitten*, I nit-picked his loss for him, lol.
First of all, his loss is fantastic! Win!!!!!!
But…..
Don’t expect it to continue at this rate. It won’t. 😢
Many people have quick losses the first week or two. Satisfying and wonderfully motivating, but can create unreasonable expectations. This is generally your body shedding water weight related to reduced carbs early on. It’s not “fat” loss.
Fat loss comes with adhering to the CICO (calories in/calories out) program you’ve set up for yourself via MFP.
BL mentioned yesterday being sore in a couple of places from the new workout routine. (His gym’s pool has closed due to the uptick in Covid here, so they’ve offered replacement classes to his group, hence he’s working new muscle groups.)
When your body is sore, your magically wonderful body will retain water, intuitively directing it to the sore or injured areas for healing.
You can literally gain many, many pounds of water weight overnight following an injury. I’ve seen forum posts saying as many as ten.
Anyway, many new users enthusiastically throw themselves into both calorie counting and unfamiliar exercises at the same time. Ever done the duck walk because your thighs are so sore after squats?
Well, guess what. Welcome to water retention, and temporary water weight gain.
Are you picking up a trend here? Water!!!!!
Have you been stressing over the scale fluctuating, even though you’re carefully counting?
Sore muscles. Salty snacks. Fast food. A carb heavy day. Airline travel. Long car trips. Constipation. Dehydration.
Any of these can affect or be affected by the water in your body, leading to short term ups and downs.
Next time your weight shoots up a pound or two, don’t panic. Reflect on what you did or are the day before.
Who knew? Water is the fountain of life and it’s within each and every one of us!
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PS: since he’s sore, I’ll be expecting another pound or two to drop off as he recovers. I haven’t told him. That should be motivating so we’ll let it be a little unexpected surprise. 😇14
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awesome job mr spring!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I hear you. I've been helping my husband lose weight as well. problem is he refuses to track so I basically have to go with "learn what a reasonable portion looks like" and always read labels. He is down about 50 lb and has 25 more to go. it has been a very slow process.
Making my own dressings and sauces has resulted in a much better product IMHO, both the flavor and the nutrition profile.12 -
I hear you. I've been helping my husband lose weight as well. problem is he refuses to track so I basically have to go with "learn what a reasonable portion looks like" and always read labels. He is down about 50 lb and has 25 more to go. it has been a very slow process.
Making my own dressings and sauces has resulted in a much better product IMHO, both the flavor and the nutrition profile.
Humblest props to you both. It’s a challenge to be informative and supportive, and not come off as bossy and pushy. Or mean. Or critical. Or as the Calorie Nazi.
I’ve told Mr Spring about this thread. He refuses to read it lol. Probably a good thing.17 -
My husband absolutely loses his tiny mind any time the scale goes up due to water weight. I can say, “You literally just now told me your quads are so sore you can barely walk, of course you have water retention,” or, “You told me last night when we ate all that sushi that the soy was gonna make you gain water weight,” and he will still be a total drama queen about how he doesn’t see the point in logging and trying to lose if he’s just going to gain three pounds in one day. Total. Drama. Queen.20
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Just ran across this discussion and it's so education for me, a newbie to MFP. Oh, I do admire you for helping your husband to lose weight and be healthier. Trying to inspire mine to eat healthier without becoming the food police and making minimal progress, but not giving up.6
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BL came home with 4 jars of pickles yesterday. “BOGO” he said to my arched brow.
Brow remain arched.
“Well, I decided that I’d start having dill pickles with my sandwich for lunch instead of chips. Fewer calories, but still crunchy and salty.”
The MFP brain recalibration has begun.36 -
Brief thread diversion since I have your attention, lol. I mentioned this in passing to a friend earlier this morning, and it’s worth sharing.
Do you (or an older relative) have an Apple Watch? Have you enabled fall detection? It automatically calls 911 if it detects a fall and detects no further movement, and you don’t then respond to a chime.
My neighbor passed out in the bathroom and bashed her head on the counter as she fell. Her husband was astonished to find EMS at the door. He didn’t even know she’d fallen.
Her watch saved her life.
If she’d had one of those “I’ve fallen and can’t get up” necklaces, it wouldn’t have helped. The necklaces require you to physically hit the button.
The Apple service is part of the watch features, so no monthly subscription fee required.
Wow! Technology!!!!
You can enable fall detection via the Apple Watch app on your phone, under the “emergency SOS” tab.33 -
I hope your neighbor is going to be okay! Yes, this is a great technology!springlering62 wrote: »Brief thread diversion since I have your attention, lol. I mentioned this in passing to a friend earlier this morning, and it’s worth sharing.
Do you (or an older relative) have an Apple Watch? Have you enabled fall detection? It automatically calls 911 if it detects a fall and detects no further movement, and you don’t then respond to a chime.
My neighbor passed out in the bathroom and bashed her head on the counter as she fell. Her husband was astonished to find EMS at the door. He didn’t even know she’d fallen.
Her watch saved her life.
If she’d had one of those “I’ve fallen and can’t get up” necklaces, it wouldn’t have helped. The necklaces require you to physically hit the button.
The Apple service is part of the watch features, so no monthly subscription fee required.
Wow! Technology!!!!
You can enable fall detection via the Apple Watch app on your phone, under the “emergency SOS” tab.
I bought this watch for my mom when she started getting dotty, and it was set to notify me and 911 if she fell, but for some reason every time she fell it didn’t go off - she seems to have decided to store her pen under her watch band or something? Plus she could never manage to read it as a watch because she would always touch something and mess up the settings somehow. Anyway it’s a great idea but not necessarily for people with early stage dementia, because they are endlessly creative in how to eff up technology.
So we ended up regifting it to my husband. It was very helpful to him in allowing him to manage his pvcs, by letting him see that he wasn’t actually dying, just having pvcs. Having the ability to do a one lead ekg in your own living room is pretty cool. If you know someone who tends to have episodes of atrial fib, this watch would be a great idea.4 -
@springlering62 I also started my dh a few years ago on MFP. He still logs but doesn't weigh everything like he should. My advice..it was really easy to log a recipe or help him log something because we made his name similar to mine & we had the same password, & both were open to friends, so I could jump back & forth between the 2 really easy. It helps a lot when finding something new & I am probably better at picking the right calories for it. And try to emphasize that he needs to eat exercise calories..that is something my dh wouldn't do & I think it has hurt him. (maybe I "helped" him a little too much, lol)4
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springlering62 wrote: »Brief thread diversion since I have your attention, lol. I mentioned this in passing to a friend earlier this morning, and it’s worth sharing.
Do you (or an older relative) have an Apple Watch? Have you enabled fall detection? It automatically calls 911 if it detects a fall and detects no further movement, and you don’t then respond to a chime.
My neighbor passed out in the bathroom and bashed her head on the counter as she fell. Her husband was astonished to find EMS at the door. He didn’t even know she’d fallen.
Her watch saved her life.
If she’d had one of those “I’ve fallen and can’t get up” necklaces, it wouldn’t have helped. The necklaces require you to physically hit the button.
The Apple service is part of the watch features, so no monthly subscription fee required.
Wow! Technology!!!!
You can enable fall detection via the Apple Watch app on your phone, under the “emergency SOS” tab.
hey im the friend in question you mentioned it to LOL
that actually MAY be a selling point for me. As you know, we live on a farm, and during the day I am here alone. Farm work can be dangerous work, and while I do try (mostly at hubbys insistence) to leave the more dangerous things to him, there are times when I HAVE to do something RIGHT THEN, or that simply an accident could happen (remember the chickens riding goats stampede? LOL). I can only hope that the Guardians would realize EMS was there to HELP their mama and not to kill me or their herd....12 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »….And try to emphasize that he needs to eat exercise calories..that is something my dh wouldn't do & I think it has hurt him. (maybe I "helped" him a little too much, lol)
Ha. you beat me to it. That post is coming soon.
I never in my wildest dreams expected to have to nag him TO eat.
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How many lbs (and inches if you know - looks like a lot!).0
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Just a note: SOME fallen and I can't get up services DO come with automatic fall detection and a call back from the service to which you have to respond in at least a partially coherent manner for the alarm to be cancelled .3
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How many lbs (and inches if you know - looks like a lot!).
He’s just started. He was dressed for the initial weigh in at the doctors office. I figure about four.
Haven’t measured. I regret to say I’ve been too lazy over the last three years to go down a flight of stairs and dig around for a tape measure.
Epic MFP Fail.
Well that and I’m generally nekkid when I need one and we live in a cluster home community and I don’t like curtains. 🤷🏻♀️5
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