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MarieBuch10 wrote: »Just want to share a personal experience with Covid and the vaccine:
I’m 28, F, healthy BMI, active and generally healthy. I had Covid in January, 2021…I was pretty sick for 1-2 weeks but definitely didn’t need medical attention. I’ve felt sicker before. (Some symptoms were weird though, it was definitely a rollercoaster of sorts where one symptom would resolve and another would begin. Also, 9 months later my taste/smell are still NOT the same). Recovered fine (I thought).
Once I was able to (April 2021) I received my first dose of Moderna. I was SUPER SICK for a day or two, like at least as sick as I felt when I had Covid if not worse. I was surprised (my logic had been that since I’d had Covid already the vaccine wouldn’t really have any symptoms; apparently the opposite is true). But I felt better after after a few days.
In May I had the second shot…again felt terrible but it passed much more quickly this time.
However, not long after getting the second vaccine I started having some symptoms that were kind of concerning. My heart would start pounding to the point where I felt like I was going to blackout, and I’d get dizzy and need to put my head down. These symptoms have progressed to where I’d wake up in the middle of the night with my heart racing and pounding, with actual pain in my chest. Needless to say I’ve now stopped drinking almost all caffeine (prior to this I used to be able to drink 4-5 cups of coffee a day with no negative effects). If I have just a cup I feel like I might have an actual heart attack. So I’m honestly very concerned.
It’s would be impossible to say at this point whether this is due to having had Covid, or the vaccine, or some combination of both… but I just want to share this because beforehand I was very frustrated with the “vaccine hesitant,” but honestly now that on a daily basis I feel like my heart might arrest I think I’ve changed positions and am a little more understanding of those who are still a little hesitant (due to health concerns, not political reasons, etc.)
Anyway I’ve been following this thread for awhile and just wanted to share a personal
account. I’m trying to get an appointment with a GP so I can get this checked out asap.
I had Covid over a year before I got the vaccine. I am a healthy, fit runner. My BMI is 21. The initial sickness was not that big of a deal. I had a constant low-grade headache (I don't get headaches, so I knew something was up) and everything tasted like dirt for about a week. No fever, no cough. No big deal.
But in the months that followed, I gradually started to feel short of breath randomly while sitting or standing around. I started waking up at night gasping for air, and I developed a nasty cough. It didn't stop worsening until about 6 months after the initial sickness. I was still able to run, but my pace was garbage.
After getting an inhaler for the first time (which I still have) I started to feel more normal around month 10. I felt very good around the time I got my last vaccine. I consider myself to be satisfactory now, basically normal but with an inhaler, over a year and a half later, even though my running pace still sucks. I'm grateful that I can still run.
Anyway, my point is, the Covid after effects were still developing months after the illness for me, so maybe that's an explanation for your problem?23 -
rheddmobile wrote: »MarieBuch10 wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »MarieBuch10 wrote: »Just want to share a personal experience with Covid and the vaccine:
I’m 28, F, healthy BMI, active and generally healthy. I had Covid in January, 2021…I was pretty sick for 1-2 weeks but definitely didn’t need medical attention. I’ve felt sicker before. (Some symptoms were weird though, it was definitely a rollercoaster of sorts where one symptom would resolve and another would begin. Also, 9 months later my taste/smell are still NOT the same). Recovered fine (I thought).
Once I was able to (April 2021) I received my first dose of Moderna. I was SUPER SICK for a day or two, like at least as sick as I felt when I had Covid if not worse. I was surprised (my logic had been that since I’d had Covid already the vaccine wouldn’t really have any symptoms; apparently the opposite is true). But I felt better after after a few days.
In May I had the second shot…again felt terrible but it passed much more quickly this time.
However, not long after getting the second vaccine I started having some symptoms that were kind of concerning. My heart would start pounding to the point where I felt like I was going to blackout, and I’d get dizzy and need to put my head down. These symptoms have progressed to where I’d wake up in the middle of the night with my heart racing and pounding, with actual pain in my chest. Needless to say I’ve now stopped drinking almost all caffeine (prior to this I used to be able to drink 4-5 cups of coffee a day with no negative effects). If I have just a cup I feel like I might have an actual heart attack. So I’m honestly very concerned.
It’s would be impossible to say at this point whether this is due to having had Covid, or the vaccine, or some combination of both… but I just want to share this because beforehand I was very frustrated with the “vaccine hesitant,” but honestly now that on a daily basis I feel like my heart might arrest I think I’ve changed positions and am a little more understanding of those who are still a little hesitant (due to health concerns, not political reasons, etc.)
Anyway I’ve been following this thread for awhile and just wanted to share a personal
account. I’m trying to get an appointment with a GP so I can get this checked out asap.
You started to experience these additional symptoms in May or not long after? But is is only now you want it checked out ASAP? Or did I misunderstand?
You haven’t misunderstood 🙂 In trying to make a long story short, I didn’t mention that my doctor has been on a leave of absence for several months. I’ve spent years looking for what I would consider a good doctor in my area so was really hoping to see her. But anyway, the office scheduled me with another doctor, who tends to emphasize mental health (which is not a bad thing, unless there are actual physical problems creating symptoms). She referred me to counseling and a neurologist…..so now I’m trying to get in with a doctor that will refer me to a cardiologist (I would assume this would be the specialist who would deal with these issues).
I also tend to have the mentality of “it’s nothing, you don’t need to see a doctor.” I was raised in that sort of environment. So it’s taken me some time to get to the point of being alarmed, especially since the symptoms haven’t cleared up yet.
ETA: I placed a lot of emphasis on the dizziness, and also have a history of migraines so the neurologist referral wasn’t totally out of left field, just not the one I think I needed. I admittedly need to be a better advocate for myself when it comes to doctor’s appointments.
Not an expert on heart problems as such, but I *am* an expert on waking up in the middle of the night with weird heart problems wondering if I should go to the ER! Waking up in the middle of the night makes me wonder about sleep apnea, particularly if you are overweight (I don’t know if you are, but since you’re on these forums it seems like a possibility.) Another cause of palpitations, chest pain, and night sweats is anemia.
One other possible issue which is known to be caused by Covid, and rarely by the vaccine, is myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart. Myocarditis is ruled out by bloodwork. If your doctor didn’t do blood work to check on heart inflammation, ask why they think this isn’t a possibility. My rule with doctors is never to tell them what I have, but to say, “Can you explain why you have ruled out X?”
You shouldn’t need a cardio as a first step, there are clear blood markers which show whether or not your heart is inflamed. A regular GP should have done full labs as a first step. If you didn’t get a full work up demand one.
Yes, two times ago when my anemia got out of control I had a lot of palpitations and a complete cardio workup that found nothing of note with my heart. The palpitations became negligible after I got my anemia under control again.8 -
MarieBuch10 wrote: »Just want to share a personal experience with Covid and the vaccine:
I’m 28, F, healthy BMI, active and generally healthy. I had Covid in January, 2021…I was pretty sick for 1-2 weeks but definitely didn’t need medical attention. I’ve felt sicker before. (Some symptoms were weird though, it was definitely a rollercoaster of sorts where one symptom would resolve and another would begin. Also, 9 months later my taste/smell are still NOT the same). Recovered fine (I thought).
Once I was able to (April 2021) I received my first dose of Moderna. I was SUPER SICK for a day or two, like at least as sick as I felt when I had Covid if not worse. I was surprised (my logic had been that since I’d had Covid already the vaccine wouldn’t really have any symptoms; apparently the opposite is true). But I felt better after after a few days.
In May I had the second shot…again felt terrible but it passed much more quickly this time.
However, not long after getting the second vaccine I started having some symptoms that were kind of concerning. My heart would start pounding to the point where I felt like I was going to blackout, and I’d get dizzy and need to put my head down. These symptoms have progressed to where I’d wake up in the middle of the night with my heart racing and pounding, with actual pain in my chest. Needless to say I’ve now stopped drinking almost all caffeine (prior to this I used to be able to drink 4-5 cups of coffee a day with no negative effects). If I have just a cup I feel like I might have an actual heart attack. So I’m honestly very concerned.
It’s would be impossible to say at this point whether this is due to having had Covid, or the vaccine, or some combination of both… but I just want to share this because beforehand I was very frustrated with the “vaccine hesitant,” but honestly now that on a daily basis I feel like my heart might arrest I think I’ve changed positions and am a little more understanding of those who are still a little hesitant (due to health concerns, not political reasons, etc.)
Anyway I’ve been following this thread for awhile and just wanted to share a personal
account. I’m trying to get an appointment with a GP so I can get this checked out asap.
I had Covid over a year before I got the vaccine. I am a healthy, fit runner. My BMI is 21. The initial sickness was not that big of a deal. I had a constant low-grade headache (I don't get headaches, so I knew something was up) and everything tasted like dirt for about a week. No fever, no cough. No big deal.
But in the months that followed, I gradually started to feel short of breath randomly while sitting or standing around. I started waking up at night gasping for air, and I developed a nasty cough. It didn't stop worsening until about 6 months after the initial sickness. I was still able to run, but my pace was garbage.
After getting an inhaler for the first time (which I still have) I started to feel more normal around month 10. I felt very good around the time I got my last vaccine. I consider myself to be satisfactory now, basically normal but with an inhaler, over a year and a half later, even though my running pace still sucks. I'm grateful that I can still run.
Anyway, my point is, the Covid after effects were still developing months after the illness for me, so maybe that's an explanation for your problem?
I can see this being likely as well…like I mentioned Covid really was a rollercoaster of symptoms, with a new one appearing whenever a different one resolved. I don’t doubt there could be some other lasting effects (especially considering my taste/smell are still off, who knows what else it could have done internally).
I’m very sorry that it’s impacted your running…hope you get back to where you want to be with it 🙂6 -
I just got my flu shot at work yesterday.. With all this discussion around vaccines this year it was interesting to note that altho my arm is just a tad not quite right (I would not call it sore) my resting heart rate over night was much higher than usual, and I had chills before i went to bed. Unlike my 2nd Pfizer shot my heart rate did not shoot up immediately after the vaccination which I was a little leery of. For no logical reason since the vaccines are totally different and I haven't had a reaction like that to my previous Flu shots. I think with all the discussions we are tending to monitor ourselves a lot more.
Delta appears to be dropping off now in our area. Technically if the 8 month recommendation holds I would be due for a Pfizer booster in Nov or Dec, but I think at this point I might wait and see how Covid is over the next few weeks and what the data is showing. It appears sometimes that it just comes in waves regardless of any actions humans do. If we can start to vaccinate the younger kids perhaps the spread will ease up a lot more.
I can't imagine what Delta would be like here in the US without having so many vaccinated. It was/is horrific anyway. And reading about the long term random things that are happening to folks makes it pretty terrifying.11 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I just got my flu shot at work yesterday.. With all this discussion around vaccines this year it was interesting to note that altho my arm is just a tad not quite right (I would not call it sore) my resting heart rate over night was much higher than usual, and I had chills before i went to bed. Unlike my 2nd Pfizer shot my heart rate did not shoot up immediately after the vaccination which I was a little leery of. For no logical reason since the vaccines are totally different and I haven't had a reaction like that to my previous Flu shots. I think with all the discussions we are tending to monitor ourselves a lot more.
Delta appears to be dropping off now in our area. Technically if the 8 month recommendation holds I would be due for a Pfizer booster in Nov or Dec, but I think at this point I might wait and see how Covid is over the next few weeks and what the data is showing. It appears sometimes that it just comes in waves regardless of any actions humans do. If we can start to vaccinate the younger kids perhaps the spread will ease up a lot more.
I can't imagine what Delta would be like here in the US without having so many vaccinated. It was/is horrific anyway. And reading about the long term random things that are happening to folks makes it pretty terrifying.
The long term stuff is what I worry about as well. There are plenty of cases like @jenilla1 who had a mild case but are still seeing symptoms 6 months, a year, or more afterward. I think the last stat I saw was a 10% rate of long covid, and they're not really sure if everyone exhibiting long term symptoms is being reported. Plus they don't know, is this the infection staying active, or does the illness cause damage that now has to be dealt with. So many people concerned with the "fatality rate" and not paying attn to what could be years of nagging health issues and medical bills.
Finally, a legit well-funded study is happening at one of the large NYC hospitals, I forget which one. And a medical code has been assigned to post acute Covid-19. So hopefully we will see some progress and the problem is being officially acknowledged!13 -
@summerskier Sorry for another round of vaccine discomfort. I got my flu shot Oct 3. This time, except for tender arm, I would have never known I had the shot. Now, in the past, I have had flu vaccines where I was notably "off" after, though prior to the COVID vaccines, I was always told that was "all in my mind" and "not possible". Hubby got his flu shot on the 6th and there was no whining, so I am assuming there was no reaction this time. :P I know he is not looking forward to his Pfiser booster as he still talks about how he was knocked down after his second dose. after my second, I just felt generally "sick", but if I plan for it (Ie soup and netflix movies lined up) then I am not concerned.6
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I got my Pfizer booster this week, followed by my flu shot two days later.
The day after the booster, I had a headache and high fever, but both were gone in about 12 hours.
I was hesitant to get the flu shot the day after running a high fever, but the nurse said it was fine since I was not currently running a fever. I had no noticeable reaction to the flu shot...I get one every year and never have had any reaction, but have never had back-to-back vaccines. So, I was happy and glad I didn't put it off.
It will be interesting when they start giving the Moderna boosters. Those will be a half dose, as opposed to the Pfizer, which was a full dose. I wonder if the half dose will mean less adverse reactions.9 -
Interesting.
Here in Australia we are still recomended not to have any other vaccine 7 days either side of any covid vaccine ie before or after.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Interesting.
Here in Australia we are still recomended not to have any other vaccine 7 days either side of any covid vaccine ie before or after.
Here in the U.S., they are saying it's okay to double-up the COVID vaccine and flu vaccine. The pharmacy where I got my COVID booster asked if I wanted a flu shot, too, but I declined since I already had an appointment at my workplace two days later. I think, honestly, they just want to get as many flu shots in arms as possible, and that means catching people when they are already in for another vaccine, so it's convenient.
I do believe, though, that you are supposed to wait at least a week if you're getting a shingles vaccine.5 -
yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)3 -
paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.1 -
Ugh, I still have to get my second shingles vaccine...9
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paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.6 -
I got my first shingles vaccine together with the flu vaccine. It was painful and I had a sore arm for about a week. This was a few years ago. Getting the second shingles shot wasn't as bad since I didn't have the double hit to my immune system.2
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Another reason why the vaccine hesitant (as opposed to the straight up anti vaxxers like my aunt, who simply are not persuadable) should get vaxxed - to protect the immunocompromised.
Colin Powell, first Black US secretary of state, dies of Covid-19 complications amid cancer battle
..."General Colin L. Powell, former U.S. Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, passed away this morning due to complications from Covid 19," the Powell family wrote on Facebook, noting he was fully vaccinated.
A source familiar with the matter said Powell had multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body's immune response. Even if fully vaccinated against Covid-19, those who are immunocompromised are at greater risk from the virus.17 -
paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Have they said why the gap? I've been trying to decide which to get first in case I want a gap between them (I just became eligible based on the 6 months for the booster).1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines0 -
paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Have they said why the gap? I've been trying to decide which to get first in case I want a gap between them (I just became eligible based on the 6 months for the booster).
Just being cautious I think because it is a new vaccine.
Doesn't matter what order you do whatever you are due for though eg whether you have flu or whatever or covid first.
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paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Do you follow your patients home to observe them? I've never had any immediate reaction to a vaccine while in the presence of the person administering the shock, nor have any family or friends ever told me of an immediate reaction, but I and most of those I know have had reactions (extreme soreness in the injection arm, fatigue/sleepiness/lassitude, headaches) to covid and shingles vaccines, whereas I have only heard two or three people have reactions beyond mild injection site soreness to flu shots.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Do you follow your patients home to observe them? I've never had any immediate reaction to a vaccine while in the presence of the person administering the shock, nor have any family or friends ever told me of an immediate reaction, but I and most of those I know have had reactions (extreme soreness in the injection arm, fatigue/sleepiness/lassitude, headaches) to covid and shingles vaccines, whereas I have only heard two or three people have reactions beyond mild injection site soreness to flu shots.
No of course I dont. Seems a weird rhetorical question.
But I do work in a centre with regular patients so we do see people afterward and hear of their experience after ward.
And I do live in a town where many people know of my work position - which leads to conversations about vaccine issues.
Also, obviously Covid is 2 vaccines and flu is annually - so we do talk to people about their previous experience.
I dont claim any universal knowledge about this, - but, as I said, in my observation, there have not been more local reactions to Covid, shingles or flu vaccines.
Maybe 'most of those you know' is a wider experience and more valid observation, I dont know.
Can only say what my observation is and where it comes from.
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paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.9 -
This was the first year I've ever had a reaction to the flu shot; I was exhausted and achy for about 24 hours after.
Interestingly, I had no reaction at all to either of my Pfizer doses.4 -
After catching up on the latest updates, I think that I will schedule my flu shot and wait to get #3 Pizer. Initially I had planned to get both at the same visit.
I had mild reactions after Pizer 1 & 2. Extremely tired after #1. By the time I drove home from getting the shot, I almost nodded off at a stop light. By supper time, I was resting my head in my hands trying to stay awake.5 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
It also may have to do with exposure--COVID-19 is new to all of us, relatively speaking. We've been exposed to influenza our whole lives in some form or another, so the flu vaccinations won't necessarily have the impact. The J&J vaccine, on the other hand, knocked me on my *kitten* the next day, and I welcomed it, frankly--I felt like I knew it was working.
I also expect to have COVID knock me on my *kitten* if I ever catch it, too, because no one ever said the vaccine prevented symptoms; it just gives you a better chance of survival. (Edit: No certified expert, anyway...)1 -
paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
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paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)3 -
paperpudding wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Do you follow your patients home to observe them? I've never had any immediate reaction to a vaccine while in the presence of the person administering the shock, nor have any family or friends ever told me of an immediate reaction, but I and most of those I know have had reactions (extreme soreness in the injection arm, fatigue/sleepiness/lassitude, headaches) to covid and shingles vaccines, whereas I have only heard two or three people have reactions beyond mild injection site soreness to flu shots.
No of course I dont. Seems a weird rhetorical question.
But I do work in a centre with regular patients so we do see people afterward and hear of their experience after ward.
And I do live in a town where many people know of my work position - which leads to conversations about vaccine issues.
Also, obviously Covid is 2 vaccines and flu is annually - so we do talk to people about their previous experience.
I dont claim any universal knowledge about this, - but, as I said, in my observation, there have not been more local reactions to Covid, shingles or flu vaccines.
Maybe 'most of those you know' is a wider experience and more valid observation, I dont know.
Can only say what my observation is and where it comes from.
Husband and I both had headache/fatigue after our first Covid shot, husband had fever/chills after his second Covid shot, my DIL was SICK in bed for several days after her second shot, and my other DIL got shingles. Only the shingles was ever mentioned to a health care provider. Unless it is severe I doubt anyone would mention it to their doctor/nurse.3
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