Coronavirus prep
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »It possibly is.
Many people still do so but isnt neccesary or recomended.
For the benifit of those people who disagreed with this
Under the section ' preparing the person receiving the vaccine'
https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/vaccination-procedures/administration-of-vaccines
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As far as the alcohol wipe I try to tell my vets not to use them anymore. My cats hate the smell of it on their fur worse than the injection. For me that has not made any difference to whether the shot stings going in or not. The ONLY one I had which stung was the Shingrex. Both times. I did not know when I got the first one that it was going to have side effects for a day or so but based on the way it stung I quickly figured that out. None of my others including Covid stung like that going in. As far as how much your arm hurts I think it has a lot to do with the person giving it and if you happen to tense up or they hit a muscle or nerve. Last year I got my flu shot at the pharmacy and had a knot on my arm for a week. This year I got it a work with the mass flu shot and no knot at all.
My guess is that they don't recommend the Shingrex and covid together because they do tend to both have side effects including fever for 24 hrs, and they don't want you to be 2x miserable when you can be 1x... LOL.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?5 -
How they decide funded age groups is interesting.
Here in Australia Zostavax is funded for people between 70 - 80 only
Based on ages of severity of disease - ie worse when you are older - and efficacy of vaccine - less as you are too much older
and of course, economics.
Approved by TGA for people over 50 - and they can get on a private script - ie pay full price which is around $200, sometimes less if your private health fund rebates some.
I'm sure some people do so - but I have not come across any.0 -
paperpudding wrote: »How they decide funded age groups is interesting.
Here in Australia Zostavax is funded for people between 70 - 80 only
Based on ages of severity of disease - ie worse when you are older - and efficacy of vaccine - less as you are too much older
and of course, economics.
Approved by TGA for people over 50 - and they can get on a private script - ie pay full price which is around $200, sometimes less if your private health fund rebates some.
I'm sure some people do so - but I have not come across any.
I had the shingles vax about three or so years ago. I had to pay as I was under 70 and received a very small rebate from my health fund. The vax was recommended after having a bout of shingles over one of my eyelids. I had to wait a year after having the shingles.
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You guys spurred me to action to get Shingrix. Got shot#1 yesterday. I've been procrastinating it for years (recommended at 50 where I live), and I'm ashamed to admit I'm a medical procrastinator at times. Been traveling the past month+ and not logging or checking in on MFP, but I lurked a bit on this thread after returning home. Thanks for the nudge.
On the Covid front, several family members are pondering the booster. All the octogenarians took boosters over a month ago (all had Pfizer in January). We have one 20-something in education which puts her in the recommended guideline for a booster (also Pfizer), but she also had a breakthrough infection (she surmises from an outdoor concert!) right before the school year started so her immunity is probably pretty strong for the present. Another 20-something had covid before vaccination. Because she had J&J, she will probably get a mRNA booster when her age group is recommended. The rest of us are just waiting for more data to roll in and the guideline for our ages to come out. Our other 20-something had Moderna and gets PCR tested weekly for work, so hopefully her workplace is safer for it. She lives in a place where restaurants require proof of vaccination and masks are required on public transportation, so I'm hoping for the best for her, too.
On a policy note, I'm kind of having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that the pandemic (or endemic, if you prefer) is GLOBAL, yet some of us are pondering 3rd shots while countries like Syria are 2% fully vaccinated. Seems like there are smarter ways for the human race to address this, but here we are, all segmented into countries with parochial outlooks and maybe cutting off our noses to spite our faces to some extent.13 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.6 -
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180307095243.htm"We anticipate that this protection will actually last much, much longer. We are now measuring the efficacy of the vaccine over the next 10 years and are very optimistic about the results," he said.
March, 20185 -
cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.
Does anybody know if the four years is based on observed shingles cases in vaccinated subjects in long-term trials, or is it just that they can't make claims for efficacy beyond four years because they don't have sufficient trial data beyond four years?1 -
cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.
Oh I don't know that much about vaccine manufacture and testing, I guess I assumed they would have the efficacy data from long term trials before they approved the vaccine for use. I know the Covid vaccine was rushed through but I thought that most other vaccines had full data on efficacy duration before they were introduced into general use. And I didn't realize it was a brand new vaccine.
At any rate it does make it difficult for one to decide the best route to go if the data isn't in yet.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.
Oh I don't know that much about vaccine manufacture and testing, I guess I assumed they would have the efficacy data from long term trials before they approved the vaccine for use. I know the Covid vaccine was rushed through but I thought that most other vaccines had full data on efficacy duration before they were introduced into general use. And I didn't realize it was a brand new vaccine.
At any rate it does make it difficult for one to decide the best route to go if the data isn't in yet.
I'm sure there would be a recommended booster at XX interval if it was indicated. I'd get the shots (I did already, in 2019) and then just follow future guidelines.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.
Oh I don't know that much about vaccine manufacture and testing, I guess I assumed they would have the efficacy data from long term trials before they approved the vaccine for use. I know the Covid vaccine was rushed through but I thought that most other vaccines had full data on efficacy duration before they were introduced into general use. And I didn't realize it was a brand new vaccine.
At any rate it does make it difficult for one to decide the best route to go if the data isn't in yet.
I'm sure there would be a recommended booster at XX interval if it was indicated. I'd get the shots (I did already, in 2019) and then just follow future guidelines.
Except the guidelines here say to get it between 65 - 70 and I am only 56. Thus my dilemma.1 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
Shingrix has only been approved for use in the U.S. since 2017 so I don't know how they could be recommending boosters at four years yet when it's just been four years it's been in use. I'm sure there will be future directives if supposed efficacy is stated at four years AND if there are a number of breakthrough infections that start showing up. The literature says they expect it to last longer than the four years. But ya know...pesky data.
Oh I don't know that much about vaccine manufacture and testing, I guess I assumed they would have the efficacy data from long term trials before they approved the vaccine for use. I know the Covid vaccine was rushed through but I thought that most other vaccines had full data on efficacy duration before they were introduced into general use. And I didn't realize it was a brand new vaccine.
At any rate it does make it difficult for one to decide the best route to go if the data isn't in yet.
I'm sure there would be a recommended booster at XX interval if it was indicated. I'd get the shots (I did already, in 2019) and then just follow future guidelines.
Except the guidelines here say to get it between 65 - 70 and I am only 56. Thus my dilemma.
I would get it if you're worried. Why wouldn't you?
https://www.cdc.gov/shingles/multimedia/shringrix-50-older.html
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Got my Pfizer booster today. Am trying to schedule my second shingles shot for in two weeks, and will get the flu shot after that.
Decided to not get flu shot today for a variety of reasons.6 -
Clinical trial ongoing Shingrix
Persistence of Protection by Shingrix
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04169009
Study started in July, 2020. Estimated end date of study, March 2023. Only 140 subjects, non-randomized.
I got my Pfizer Covid 3rd shot booster and then the Fluzone Quad the next day. No issues with either one. I believe a relaxed arm and then moving it a lot afterwards helps with the muscle discomfort. My 2nd Pfizer knocked me into a nap on day two, but this third one...nada.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »yes, interesting difference.
Even back in March/April when flu vaccines were at their peak here - ie just before southern hemisphere winter - one week gap was the thing.
was 2 week gap initially but then reduced to 1.
Sometimes inconvenient for people but that's what it is.
(shingles vaccine may be different in US recomendations because it is a live vaccine - the others are not)
Our shingles vaccine (US) is inactivated.
In that case I can't think of any reason why other vaccines are considered OK with covid vaccine but shingles vaccine is not.
I'm not sure...it might not be a medical reason, but more of a comfort issue.
Very few people I know have ever had a noticeable reaction to a flu vaccine. But almost everyone I know has had some sort of reaction (mild to severe) from the COVID and shingles vaccines.
That's just a personal observation.
That hasn't been my observation - and I give a lot of vaccines in my job.
Hasn't been any more local reactions in covid or shingles vs flu vaccines
Hmmm...again, just my personal observations...
My workplace provides flu vaccines every year, and most employees take them.
Over the years, I've heard one or two of my co-workers say they were a little tired or sore the next day.
All of my co-workers have now been vaccinated for COVID (by mandate). Well over half talked about moderate to severe reactions....fevers, headaches, exhaustion, etc. Very few people said they had little to no reaction.
In my little world, it's a very stark difference between the two vaccines.
That's interesting.
Many people I know have had no reaction to the covid vac or minor reactions only - not everyone, and I haven't kept statistics to say what percentage - but many people.
Not heard of anyone having issues with shingles vaccine here.
And the starting point of all this wasn't whether covid vac causes reactions but why other vaccines, in US, can be given co currently with covid vac but shingles cannot.
Are you certain that the shingles vax where you are is the same as in countries others are reporting from?
I know nothing about vaccines, but understand that sometimes the recommended or available ones can differ by nation.
Background reason for asking: The "old" shingles vax in the US - a zoster live vaccine (ZVL, Zostavax) had no significant reputation for unusual side effects, among those I know. The newer one, a recombinant zoster vaccine (RZV, Shingrix) has quite a reputation among people I know for side effects - not super severe, but the pretty-unpleasant soreness, swelling, fever, etc. - perhaps especially after the second shot.
Yeah I am scared to get the shingles vaccine (although I do want it) because I have heard the side effects are nasty - worse than the Covid vaccine. I guess I thought it was just common knowledge that it gives a bad reaction.
Both my husband and I had our first ever flu shot in the fall, and both Covid shots. Covid shots were definitely worse reactions (although not super severe for either of us.)
I can't imagine risking shingles (which you can't even avoid by not mixing with other people, since the virus is lying dormant in your body) and its potential for months or even years of pain for fear of the brief discomfort of the recombinant shingles vaccine.
I was so glad when I was finally able to get the shingles vaccine. When I first thought about it, I was told I was too young, then I was told I had to get a prescription from my doctor, then none of the pharmacies I went to had it in stock .... I'd say it took close to five years from when I first started thinking about it to get the vaccine. No, I wasn't devoting massive amounts of time and energy to trying to get it, but at least several times a year I would stop by a pharmacy that listed it as available only to run into roadblock. I've known people who had really bad cases of shingles that deeply impacted their quality of life, so it was a real relief to get the vaccine, despite the soreness, headache, and fatigue. It only lasted one to two days.
I am going to get it. I had the prescription a couple of years ago but when I went to fill it it was expensive (like $400) so I decided to wait until it was covered - which I think is 60 here. Then two people in my 6 person office got shingles within weeks of each other so I decided I should get it. But now I have looked into it more and it apparently doesn't last that long - they are saying people who get it younger than 60 might not be protected later in life when the risk of shingles complications is higher. So on the fence as to whether I should wait 4 more years.
How old were you when you got it? I am 56.
I was 58. Not sure where you are or which vaccine they're using in your area. I had the two-dose Shingrix vaccine. I hadn't realized until checking just now that its effectiveness can fade after four years, but for some reason the CDC doesn't recommend subsequent boosters. That doesn't seem to make much sense.
It is Shingrix they give here now - it is only covered by the public health plan if you are between 65-70. I guess the waning immunity is why they limit to those ages, they want people to get it when they are most likely to need it.
FWIW, when I got shingles while in . . . hmm, 30s/40s? . . . they told me that younger people typically have milder cases than older people, though of course there are exceptions. If true, perhaps that's also part of the picture?
Yeah for sure - that's what I meant. Older people get worse cases, so if they give it too young (when people are less likely to have a bad case) then by the time you might need it more the vaccine immunity is waning already.
But having said that - I don't know why they don't just give a booster every few years? I don't know enough about it but I would speculate it is a cost thing, if very few people get a bad case when they are younger (and since it isn't contagious) doesn't make financial sense from a public health perspective to fund primary series then boosters.
I'm skeptical that that's the reasoning. There are vaccines for other non-contagious diseases that are administered routinely with boosters recommended regularly - tetanus comes to mind. I'm sure there's a cost difference between the tetanus vax and Shingrix because the former has been commoditized for a long time, but I still don't think that would be the basis for recommending Shingrix only for older folks.
I'm sure the incidence and severity of the disease (more common, more severe among elders) is part of what's considered. Possible there are other differences as well, like risk/reward tradeoff, kinds of things that are considered for other medications generally and vaccines specifically.2
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