for heavens sake, I STILL EAT BREAD AND LOSE WEIGHT!

SO glad i just read this post. i've been doing a low carb/very high protein diet for the last few months....realised yesterday after a MASSIVE binge..that i can't do it anymore. i have ZERO energy...eating out/in social sitations is BEYOND a nightmare/leads to binges....so from today i am having 3 healthy, filling, nutritious meals and snacking on fruit. that is it! xxx

I think the main reason people do the no bread thing is because of the carbs. (pretty much what some other people said) Personally I have gone that route and tried the low carb diet and ended up gaining a few pounds. So i went back to watching my calorie intake.

Personally I have a sandwich or a wrap everyday and I am still loosing 2+ lbs a week.

being diabetic I need a minimum of 130 carbs a day

By the way, you can get carbs by not eating grains. They are not the be all and end all of carbohydrates. I don't judge people for eating bread or pasta or whatever (food, real food) so why judge others if NOT eating grains works for them.

I don't have a problem with anyone not eating grains. It's personal choice. It's the hating on grains/bread/carbs etc and the claim that they're the sole cause of obesity that I have a problem with.

And I don't doubt that reducing carbs or giving up grains helps some people to lose fat, but it's important that people understand that it's not *necessary* they don't *have to* give up bread/grains to lose fat (though some people with certain medical conditions might do better on a lower carb diet) - so long as you're supplying your body with what it needs, eating at a deficit and doing exercise then it's whatever helps you to stick with it in the long term.

well I am not a hater, of anything.

and in my case it was necessary and I had to do this because nothing else actually worked, as i mentioned my 2.5 year plateau earlier. I'm an active, clean-eating person so it's also not to say that I wasn't actually trying to lose weight / fat WITH grains in my diet.

I just think it's stupid either way to hate on or to act like one is an expert at something. even the so called experts have conflicting information. do what's right for you and stop judging others ("you" being general in this case). My personal opinion is eat healthy and clean, get some fresh air and exercise and if you want to eat bread or pizza that is your choice. Mine is to find an alternative.

I eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, couscous, porridge. I've tried going carb free for a meal and generally end up chewing the table! It's all about balance and everything in moderation. Wish I had realised that a few years earlier.

And I used to be able to lose weight and eat eat carbs too.... looking at your photos most of the posters on here are young. When you are over 50 (and particularly when you are female) you may well find that it is a very different story.

Just bear that in mind for the next 20 years or so!

I eat ~200g carbs a day (wholemeal bread, wholemeal pasta, potatoes, noodles, porridge) and have lost 60lb. I literally could not go without carbs, when I try cutting them out I get so cold and hungry.

Yes I understand I'm still young and may be lucky that my metabolism allows me to do this - BUT, if I had cut out carbs, it would not be attainable for me. I think those "no-carb" diets are extremely stupid because it's unattainable to keep up and eventually you will go back to your old ways.

Instead I am now a LOT healthier and happier and it has been a lifestyle change for me, I can still have my carbs.

I love bread! I love rice! I love sweet potato! I love PASTA.

I love carbs

I eat 1 slice of rye bread a week and 3 slices of Ezekiel bread weekly. Yes I LOVE bread and I try to stick to gluten free bread. Have to keep giving your body carbs, but you have to manage exactly how many it gets.

I carbs.

I take issue with any diet that tells you that you can't eat something as basic as bread and potatoes. People have eaten those for more generations than I care to think about without suffering from an obesity crisis so carbs clearly aren't the problem - people being lazy now is.

it's not only people being lazy.
it's people eating processed, chemical crap and not eating real food.

processed carbs, sugar and large portions are part of the problem. don't just put it down to people being lazy.

seen a lot of posts lately regarding "whole grain/wheat" bread/brown rice.. and such.. I am not understand why alot of people choose to cut them out COMPLETELY... I have lost weight with still eating bread, at a deficit.. eating healthy and working out...

please tell me I am not the only one? share YOUR success so we can put the "bad carbs" posts to rest!

Because they make me ill.

Congratulations on your gut which can deal with them. You must be so proud.

this ^^

I agree. There are good carbs and bad carbs. I also am trying to eat only 1200 a day. How do you do it?

ah, scr*w it! I thought I'd stay away but I'm not sleepy enough.

Most people that don’t eat grains have done extensive research on the biochemistry of the body and the metabolic pathways of carbs, protein, and fat.

judging by these boards that's hardly true.

But weight loss doesn’t make you healthy.

suggesting that something that generations and generations and cultures and cultures have been using for centuries is making everyone sick is a bit...long stretch.

Eggs and uncured bacon taste so much better than some nasty dried out toast or a bowl of oatmeal. And I would have to eat four bowls of oatmeal to get the protein from 4oz of meat.

you know what tastes the best? chicken liver deep fried in pig lard and then dipping freshly baked WHITE bread into that same fat (after you've finished that liver, that is) - there's nothing better! my mouth water now only thinking about it. that's the breakfast I grow up on. yeah breakfast, you can only imagine what other meals are like. Check out my profile pic - that's 400g to 500g white bread every day, for years and years (plus all the other carbs loaded during the day in a country where bakeries are number 1 fast food sellers). And this not N=1, no, there is no obesity problem where I'm coming from.

Mother’s Milk: mostly saturated fat with some protein and a little bit of glucose.

others already responded to this.

And replacing fat and protein (which are used for more than just an energy source – both are used for cellular repair and maintenance and not energy – should we count those calories since a calorie is just a unit of energy and those portions aren’t being used for energy) with something that is just an energy source?

with something that is a PREFERRED energy source - yes, what's the problem?

The brain is 70% fat.

:huh: ? what do you mean? are you counting lipids in cell membranes?

N=1. Removing grains and legumes were pure experiment for me and I got the shock of my life.

great, but what if you were mildly intolerant and never found out? I think that's a more likely explanation than declaring food traditionally used by billions of people 'poisonous'.

And I don’t have to eat every few hours since a few eggs and some bacon will fill me up for about 6 hours (not a peep of hunger).

so? the other day I had my favourite 'extremely high carbs-very high fat-some protein' meal and didn't feel a peep of hunger for 12h. what does that prove?

The USDA guidelines are based on politics and scientific fraud. Do you really think the government cares about our health? They don’t. And the FDA is a product of the government.

Neither USDA nor FDA, and not even the American government, invented the world - it's been going on for quite some time now . There are culture out there that eat high carb diet, there are cultures out there that eat high fat diet. There are cultures out there where bread/pasta/name it is the alpha and omega of their cuisine. Interestingly, these cultures do not seem to have American obesity problems (here, I'm willing to bet on more active lifestyle).

If you love what you’re doing then keep doing it. But don’t knock other people for not believing in the conventional wisdom and decided to figure things out on their own.

so all of us who don't buy into paleo craze are just following conventional wisdom, being too lazy or too stupid to do our own research? sorry, but you make a statement like this and then wonder why people 'hate low carbers'.

And I'm not trying to start an argument or debate. just some info to research and think about.

there's a lot of info out there to think about. one could be for example: how comes that some cultures who eat high carb-high fat diet don't have obesity related problems?

http://www.gnolls.org/2052/how-heart-healthy-whole-grains-make-us-fat/

http://www.gnolls.org/905/mechanisms-of-sugar-addiction-or-why-youre-addicted-to-bread/
http://www.gnolls.org/989/adjacent-to-this-complete-breakfast-kicking-your-cereal-addiction-consider-eating-the-box-instead/

http://www.gnolls.org/1029/fat-and-glycemic-index-the-myth-of-complex-carbohydrates/

he has a great blog and I really enjoyed his series on human evolution and on nature of hunger. but when it comes to promoting certain diet he does the same thing like many ppl here - speaks as if the world has started some 30 years ago, in North America. :happy:

And I used to be able to lose weight and eat eat carbs too.... looking at your photos most of the posters on here are young. When you are over 50 (and particularly when you are female) you may well find that it is a very different story.

Just bear that in mind for the next 20 years or so!

BINGO!

seen a lot of posts lately regarding "whole grain/wheat" bread/brown rice.. and such.. I am not understand why alot of people choose to cut them out COMPLETELY... I have lost weight with still eating bread, at a deficit.. eating healthy and working out...

please tell me I am not the only one? share YOUR success so we can put the "bad carbs" posts to rest!

Good for you.

However, if eating bread, brown rice, other grains cause any type of bloating and / or gas and such there is an intolerance of some level there and it is best to cut them out.

No need to eat stuff that makes you feel sick or uncomfortable.

isn't that really just a common sense?