for heavens sake, I STILL EAT BREAD AND LOSE WEIGHT!
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I told my GP at my baby's 1 year check up about my diet. She goes, "I hope you're not doing a fad diet." I tell her about MFP. She says "Oh, that's a relief. There's nothing worse then those no or low-carb diets!" Then she touted the benefits of adding weights to my exercise routine. IMHO, this lady knows her stuff.
She doesn't know her stuff. She would never make a sweeping generalization like that if she did.
When protein and green vegetables starts being unhealthy, I will change my view. Until then, I would tell that Dr to STFU.0 -
Well i guess most of you are lucky not to be carb sensitive.
Some people really don't get on well with carbs, despite being, in a deficit.
This is me - I GAIN at 1500 calories a day with exercise if I eat more than 100 g of carbs a day. I LOSE at 2200 cals a day with carbs under 50g. Simple choice for me.0 -
I lost about 14lbs eating whatever I wanted just limiting my intake and you better bet your bottom dollar that I was eating whole grains and bread.. lol I think without them I would be starving.0
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Totally agree,I have 2 slices of seeded toast with marmite for my breakfast-if I dont I`m starving by 10 o`clock.Have just joined this site a few days ago but have already lost 5stone (another 4 to go)without cutting my bread out of my diet.0
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i still eat bread , rice and even sweets but i'm tring to keep it minimal.. cause that stuff goes straight to my hips. i like it so im not going to give it up completely but i want to keep it in low consumption .. not everyday because what happens to me is the more i eat it the more i want it.. so one day of bread eating will become two if im not persistent on watching it. but i don't want to cut out whole foods completely. i do want to cut off ths fat completely. i say do what works for you.0
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I eat store bought wheat bread and home made all kinds of bread and I still lose weight. I eat pasta, cookies, crackers, pretzels and white rice too. I had days before I started logging on here where I ate nothing but home made bread because I don't like to waste the loaf and it tastes best when it's fresh. I was still able to lose weight eating a whole loaf of home made bread which is about 550 calories. When I feel like pizza, I make my own bread at home. I make my own bagels too and they are banging.
I generally don't eat sandwiches though. I like my bread as just that...bread. It's good stuff
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Here, here! :drinker:
I never cut out whole grain bread, rice, or pasta and still lost weight.0 -
Agreed!! Calorie is calorie, no discrimination! Having bread or rice is totally fine. I have not cut out any category of food. A balanced diet is one of the keys to sustainable life style!0
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I love bread, pasta, sugar, etc....
I was on a 1500 calorie diet (given to me by my Dr. at the time) which included those things AND I was exercising. I gained 40lbs in a year.. of FAT, not muscle.
Switched Dr.'s and my Endo switched me to a low carb (I include "healthy" carbs - fruit, veggies, etc) and I have lost 27 lbs in 3 months.
Not everyone processes carbs the same way. I have medical issues which make "bad" carbs, VERY bad. If a low calorie, low fat diet works for you, then great! Congratulations! But you cant throw everyone into a general category and say that what works for you, will work for everyone.0 -
You are hugely lucky - I was most successful with weight loss while on a tightly restricted carb diet but due to having kidney problems, can't do that again. Bread, pasta, and rice are my weaknesses and it is so hard to "portion control" - congrats on your success. I limit myself to a light bread and try to not have pasta or rice more than once per week if then.0
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Carbs are necessary for proper brain funtion. Carbs are your bodies energy.
Want poor brain function and low energy.... skip the carbs.
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When I'm hungry I grab a Wasa cracker, those things will fill you up and not hurt your weight. Just don't overdo it or anything else. :flowerforyou:0
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i ate bread while i was in the diet phase of my weight loss. pretty much just counted calories.0
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No need to be a jerk about it. Celiac and gluten intolerance is still woefully underdiagnosed, and a lot of people aren't even aware that such a thing exists. The same goes with insulin resistance in the absense of full-blown diabetes or PCOS.
To the OP - Carbs get a bad rap because the body can use them efficiently, and the foods that contain them tend to be calorie-dense (particularly the grain based carb sources). So, in otherwise healthy people, it's as simple as being far too easy to overeat when such products are involved.
Basically (note - this is highly simplified for basic understanding, I'm sure someone with a biochemical background will rake me over the coals for errors borne out of such simplification, but we're talking layman's terms and general ideas, here):
The body runs primarily on glucose, a form of sugar. The other fuel sources (except protein, which breaks down mostly into amino acids) ultimately get metabolized into glucose or glucose-like substitutes at some point or another. How long and how much energy it takes depends on the exact source. Pure glucose takes no time or energy, sucrose (table sugar) takes minimal, complex carbs take a little more (but it's just breaking stuff down, like taking a Lego structure apart), fats get broken down into the glucose-like fuel (glucose-like in that they don't need to be broken down any more and the body can use it directly if needed) that can't be used as efficiently and takes more energy to break down.
The body is built to run as efficiently as possible, which includes choosing the best fuel source to run on. Therefore, if you eat a lot of carbs and/or sugar, your body will use it before anything else, because it takes little to no energy to convert it to something useable. Like so many other things in nature - the body choses the path of least resistance.
Therefore, if you cut out carbs completely (such as the first phase of Atkins), you put your body into what's called ketosis, which is the release of ketones by the body. Ketones help break down fat to use as fuel in the absense of sugars. (Note: This is different from Ketoacidosis, which can be deadly.) This is why Atkins works at jump-starting weight loss, it forces the body to use a different fuel source, which requires more energy to convert (more calories burned).
Grain-based carbs are becoming vilified because there is growing evidence that humans as a whole have a relatively low tolerance for gluten, as evidenced by the rise in Celiac and gluten intolerance diagnoses. However, it's still really hard to diagnose, because it isn't always obvious (the symptoms are often flu-like or just a general feeling of "blah" that can't really be pinpointed). Therefore, it's possible to be intolerant and not know it or never be diagnosed. For those that are intolerant, it can lead to bloating and derail weight loss.
Additionally, many people become insulin resistant over time if they have a carb-heavy diet. Insulin aids in the absorption of glucose from the blood by the muscles and other cells and is released when there is a certain amount of glucose in the blood stream. In the presence of too much sugar over the long term, the cells stop responding to the insulin, leaving more sugar in the blood. In many/most cases, this follows hand in hand with Type 2 Diabetes (whether IR necessarily causes T2D is somewhat debated, but I don't doubt that it can). Women with PCOS also tend to be insulin resistant, making it damn near impossible to lose weight on a "typical" diet. Without a Diabetes or PCOS diagnosis, and especially if you don't get bloodwork done regularly, insulin resistance is easy to miss, because it doesn't really have any symptoms for the most part. Your body gets used to your normal levels of blood sugar, so until you reach the thresholds of blood sugar that put the body into a Diabetic coma, you may not even know you have it.
What these two groups have in common is that they will often have a hard time losing weight on the relatiely carb-heavy diet that many people can do just fine on. They may not have energy (because their body literally sees gluten as a threat and launches a white blood cell army to attack it), or they may feel ill, or they may simply be unable to lose weight and easy to plateau. Switching to something like Paleo or Atkins, then, works WONDERS for these types of people. The catch is, though, that unless you've gotten a diagnosis, you may not even know that you fall into one of these categories (or, you may be borderline - just close enough to have some of the effects, but not enough for a diagnosis).
This entire post is superb. Right on.0 -
@dragonwolf go back and call everyone out then who is being a jerk. I don't think it was necessary to say that as your opening line of your response.
There are several who are, but the one I quoted stuck out the most at me (and struck me as the most jerkish), which is why I used it.
The simple fact of matter is that a lot of people still don't know about gluten intolerance. Ignorance need not be mistaken for malice.0 -
+!No need to be a jerk about it. Celiac and gluten intolerance is still woefully underdiagnosed, and a lot of people aren't even aware that such a thing exists. The same goes with insulin resistance in the absense of full-blown diabetes or PCOS.
To the OP - Carbs get a bad rap because the body can use them efficiently, and the foods that contain them tend to be calorie-dense (particularly the grain based carb sources). So, in otherwise healthy people, it's as simple as being far too easy to overeat when such products are involved.
Basically (note - this is highly simplified for basic understanding, I'm sure someone with a biochemical background will rake me over the coals for errors borne out of such simplification, but we're talking layman's terms and general ideas, here):
The body runs primarily on glucose, a form of sugar. The other fuel sources (except protein, which breaks down mostly into amino acids) ultimately get metabolized into glucose or glucose-like substitutes at some point or another. How long and how much energy it takes depends on the exact source. Pure glucose takes no time or energy, sucrose (table sugar) takes minimal, complex carbs take a little more (but it's just breaking stuff down, like taking a Lego structure apart), fats get broken down into the glucose-like fuel (glucose-like in that they don't need to be broken down any more and the body can use it directly if needed) that can't be used as efficiently and takes more energy to break down.
The body is built to run as efficiently as possible, which includes choosing the best fuel source to run on. Therefore, if you eat a lot of carbs and/or sugar, your body will use it before anything else, because it takes little to no energy to convert it to something useable. Like so many other things in nature - the body choses the path of least resistance.
Therefore, if you cut out carbs completely (such as the first phase of Atkins), you put your body into what's called ketosis, which is the release of ketones by the body. Ketones help break down fat to use as fuel in the absense of sugars. (Note: This is different from Ketoacidosis, which can be deadly.) This is why Atkins works at jump-starting weight loss, it forces the body to use a different fuel source, which requires more energy to convert (more calories burned).
Grain-based carbs are becoming vilified because there is growing evidence that humans as a whole have a relatively low tolerance for gluten, as evidenced by the rise in Celiac and gluten intolerance diagnoses. However, it's still really hard to diagnose, because it isn't always obvious (the symptoms are often flu-like or just a general feeling of "blah" that can't really be pinpointed). Therefore, it's possible to be intolerant and not know it or never be diagnosed. For those that are intolerant, it can lead to bloating and derail weight loss.
Additionally, many people become insulin resistant over time if they have a carb-heavy diet. Insulin aids in the absorption of glucose from the blood by the muscles and other cells and is released when there is a certain amount of glucose in the blood stream. In the presence of too much sugar over the long term, the cells stop responding to the insulin, leaving more sugar in the blood. In many/most cases, this follows hand in hand with Type 2 Diabetes (whether IR necessarily causes T2D is somewhat debated, but I don't doubt that it can). Women with PCOS also tend to be insulin resistant, making it damn near impossible to lose weight on a "typical" diet. Without a Diabetes or PCOS diagnosis, and especially if you don't get bloodwork done regularly, insulin resistance is easy to miss, because it doesn't really have any symptoms for the most part. Your body gets used to your normal levels of blood sugar, so until you reach the thresholds of blood sugar that put the body into a Diabetic coma, you may not even know you have it.
What these two groups have in common is that they will often have a hard time losing weight on the relatiely carb-heavy diet that many people can do just fine on. They may not have energy (because their body literally sees gluten as a threat and launches a white blood cell army to attack it), or they may feel ill, or they may simply be unable to lose weight and easy to plateau. Switching to something like Paleo or Atkins, then, works WONDERS for these types of people. The catch is, though, that unless you've gotten a diagnosis, you may not even know that you fall into one of these categories (or, you may be borderline - just close enough to have some of the effects, but not enough for a diagnosis).
This entire post is superb. Right on.0 -
Carbs are necessary for proper brain funtion. Carbs are your bodies energy.
Want poor brain function and low energy.... skip the carbs.
Sorry, but untrue. There is no biological need for carbs.
This has been stated, and I stated it in another thread, if there is no biological need, then why does breastmilk have carbs? It's 37% carbs, which isn't terribly high, but it isn't zero either.
ETA - I am in the best shape of my life and I eat carbs. There aren't many foods that compare to a hot loaf of bread straight from the oven.0 -
FREE warm bread at a Restaurant!!!!
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I prefer wheat to white but I do eat stuff like rolls, cracker chips, etc and I still lose weight. I'd love to cut back my carbs a bit and eat more protein but I just love carbs too much. nom nom.
I just do my best to make healthier choices, eat around 1600, and exercise 0 -
It's just a science thing and some people like to point that point out when the opporunity arises. We can live/survive without actually consuming carbs and why their not considered essential. That doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them, we should and the ethnographical atlas will tell us that everyone did eat carbs, even the Inuit....lots of glycogen in raw organ and muscle meat.Carbs are necessary for proper brain funtion. Carbs are your bodies energy.
Want poor brain function and low energy.... skip the carbs.
Sorry, but untrue. There is no biological need for carbs.
This has been stated, and I stated it in another thread, if there is no biological need, then why does breastmilk have carbs? It's 37% carbs, which isn't terribly high, but it isn't zero either.
ETA - I am in the best shape of my life and I eat carbs. There aren't many foods that compare to a hot loaf of bread straight from the oven.0 -
I do eat bread on occasion, but not regularly, and I'm not going to say you can't eat it and lose weight. If you want to incorporate it into your weight loss then great for you, I just choose not to (most of the time).0
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seen a lot of posts lately regarding "whole grain/wheat" bread/brown rice.. and such.. I am not understand why alot of people choose to cut them out COMPLETELY... I have lost weight with still eating bread, at a deficit.. eating healthy and working out...
please tell me I am not the only one? share YOUR success so we can put the "bad carbs" posts to rest!
I seriously do not think anyone is advocating cutting them out "completely". However, if someone wanted to, they could because carbohydrates are not "Essential" meaning that you body can produce glucose WITHOUT consuming carbohydrates.
That being said, what you see is people advocating cutting out grains and processed sugars. Aside from the high quantity of carbohydrates, grains offer nothing that cannot be found in vegetables and fruit (both of which have carbohydrates).
These threads tend to twist the idea around to "No carbs" which is generally NOT what the OP is advocating. Often what is being advocated is eating fruits and veggies instead of large amounts of grains which in effect does reduce the amount of carbohydrates but does not eliminate them.0 -
Here's the thing - if you can eat bread and grains in moderation and loose weight - great don't give it up...works for you...
BUT there are some people where cutting carbs from grain sources (bread, pasta, crackers, etc...) actually helps in weight loss...
I spent a lot of time watching my calories and such...and I lost a little here and there - once I started watching my CARBS and cut out bread and other grain carb sources (I still eat carbs - just from fruits and veggies - I just keep it to under 100 grams a day) I actively lost weight...
I get so freakin tired of god forbid someone posts about having slow weight loss and watching thier calories and not seeing really much of anything on the scale...and I suggest they might want to look at decreasing their intake of carbs and I get jumped on...I know what works for me and if it works for me - it may work for others...so just because you can eat bread and pasta and loose weight doesn't mean everyone can...0 -
I get so freakin tired of god forbid someone posts about having slow weight loss and watching thier calories and not seeing really much of anything on the scale...and I suggest they might want to look at decreasing their intake of carbs and I get jumped on...I know what works for me and if it works for me - it may work for others...so just because you can eat bread and pasta and loose weight doesn't mean everyone can...
I would like to add that those that do lose while eating tons of breads and pasta tend to do chronic cardio to lose. Just an observation.0 -
Yes!!! Carbs are VERY IMPORTANT when it comes to weight loss!
HOWEVER, you need to educate yourself with eating the RIGHT carbs
Key Advice on Carbs:
- Skip refined and processed foods altogether!!
- Read the label to see if there is added sugar (be wary of the "oses")
- Eat whole grains (oats, whole wheat and brown rice), beans, legumes, fruits and vegetables
- Try to have 40% of your total caloric intake come from complex carbohydrates (google complex carbs
)
- Avoid low-fat foods, which contain a sizable amount of calories from sugar
- Avoid low-carb foods, which sometimes have more calories from fat0 -
Most body builders eat lots of carbs including bread and pasta.I get so freakin tired of god forbid someone posts about having slow weight loss and watching thier calories and not seeing really much of anything on the scale...and I suggest they might want to look at decreasing their intake of carbs and I get jumped on...I know what works for me and if it works for me - it may work for others...so just because you can eat bread and pasta and loose weight doesn't mean everyone can...
I would like to add that those that do lose while eating tons of breads and pasta tend to do chronic cardio to lose. Just an observation.0 -
I ate white bread yesterday. Also had some m&ms and an ice cream sandwich. Yeah.
I weighed .2 lbs less today than I did yesterday. uh huh.
You crack me up sarah! And yes losing weight is eating healthy with a balance of foods. Starving it of anything is never good.0 -
Most body builders eat lots of carbs including bread and pasta.
Yes, I know. :yawn: Oh, except when they cut up for a contest (to lose the fat in an effort to increase muscle definition).0 -
Most body builders eat lots of carbs including bread and pasta.I get so freakin tired of god forbid someone posts about having slow weight loss and watching thier calories and not seeing really much of anything on the scale...and I suggest they might want to look at decreasing their intake of carbs and I get jumped on...I know what works for me and if it works for me - it may work for others...so just because you can eat bread and pasta and loose weight doesn't mean everyone can...
I would like to add that those that do lose while eating tons of breads and pasta tend to do chronic cardio to lose. Just an observation.
hummm most of the ones I know eat a lot of protiens and tons of veggie carbs but stay clear or breads and pastas
now a lot of runners and swimmers I know eat a lot of pasta type carbs...when training...0 -
Maybe pre contest and cutting, but otherwise there looking to put on muscle. My brother was a BB'er and he loved his pasta as most of his friends did as well. bottom line, pasta aka carbs arn't going to hinder fat or weight loss. personally I've dropped 40 lbs in the last year and body fat from 18 to around 11 eating potatoes, pasta and bread....who knows maybe I'm a special snowflake where carbs don't make me fat. lol j/k
Most body builders eat lots of carbs including bread and pasta.I get so freakin tired of god forbid someone posts about having slow weight loss and watching thier calories and not seeing really much of anything on the scale...and I suggest they might want to look at decreasing their intake of carbs and I get jumped on...I know what works for me and if it works for me - it may work for others...so just because you can eat bread and pasta and loose weight doesn't mean everyone can...
I would like to add that those that do lose while eating tons of breads and pasta tend to do chronic cardio to lose. Just an observation.
hummm most of the ones I know eat a lot of protiens and tons of veggie carbs but stay clear or breads and pastas
now a lot of runners and swimmers I know eat a lot of pasta type carbs...when training...0
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