Home school vs public school?

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  • gus0124
    gus0124 Posts: 10
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    I don't have any ready answers for how to transform the public American education system, just the very beginnings of an approach. I do know that NCLB needs to go. My mother, who teaches 1st grade in an urban school district, and my father, who teaches high school English and German in a rural school district, despise it because it constrains them to the detriment of their students. My other thought is to make it much harder to become a teacher so that only the best and brightest can be in front of the classroom. In Finland, teaching is a high-status profession that pays well and has the same amount of respect (if not more) as the law and medicine because only the absolute best can become teachers (one reason why Finland is kicking America's butt in terms of education). In other words, the standards for becoming a teacher in America must be increased a lot. Lastly, since education is a political issue, we all must become involved with the political process, however dysfunctional it is. Federal and state educational mandates did not appear out of thin air.
  • ArtGeek22
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    I have been home schooled all through grade school. I personally 100% think you do get a better education than public school, if your parent is committed. As for the social aspect of it, you will want to find a home school group in your area where she can maybe take a few classes and interact with kids her own age. Also, it is not always for religious reason, many do it because they can focus better at home and that they can go at there own pace. Many of my friends (including myself) are ahead in our schooling because we could go at our own pace.

    If you want more info, please friend me or send me a message :flowerforyou:
  • soniyamas
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    As a certified, licensed school teacher, I am always concerned when parents pull their children out of regular school and say they will be "homeschooling" their child from that point forward. I will share my reasons below:

    1. Qualifications/educational level of parents - Can a parent reach and teach their child the important things that child needs to know? Do they know what "developmentally appropriate" is for their child's age? Are the parents knowledgeable enough about the curriculum to present it in ways the child understands?

    2. Is the curriculum relevant? Is the child learning what should be learned, versus what the parents want that child to learn? (some HS programs offer "revisionist" history, where important truths are conveniently left out - eg, slavery, holocaust, etc) There are certain skill sets/requirements all children MUST know in order to be well rounded adults. Slanted or inaccurate information can negatively affect a child's future.

    3. Is the parent willing to sit by their child, invest the time, and hold their children accountable for their school work? Many parents nowadays have to work, and trusting their young child to stay home and do their school work all on line is a recipe for disaster. My daughter's friend is now being homeschooled (due to bullying) and guess what? This girl only gets 5 hours of weekly school work, which is less than one full day's worth of schooling. In a WEEK.

    4. Schools provide the opportunity for children to learn HOW to get along with others, even if the children are being bullied. Instead of retreating into a "safe" world, it is better to learn how to handle the bullying and work on developing self esteem. Running away from it doesn't build self confidence, it only pushes the real issues aside.

    I hope this provides you with some real information to make a very educated choice. I'm not anti-HS, I am against homeschool programs that end up causing more harm than good. Make sure your child is being monitored on a regular, weekly basis, by qualified school teachers, and is learning STATE curriculum standards. If those criteria are met, then a HS program should be okay overall.


    Agree to all of this ^^^^ .
    My husband want to home school our 2.5 years old boy but I don't, for all the above stated reasons.
  • stephaniekneld
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    Look into online schooling for your sister. Most states have online schools now for all ages. It is like the best of both worlds... getting to have real teachers but doing it at home on the computer. However... isolation will be unhealthy for your sister. She needs interaction with peers to develop socially. Her fears and anxiety will not go away by avoidance... whe will need to overcome these things to thrive in the world. Find a homeschool group in your area that she can integrate with. This will give her a small setting in which to develop socially, and help her overcomeher fears.
  • angryguy77
    angryguy77 Posts: 836 Member
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    I was homeschooled as well as my two sisters. I totally enjoyed it, wouldn't change a thing. I have not experienced any social problems. I would totally recommend it to anyone.

    I was as well. I went to more dances and proms than my siblings who actually went to public school. I'm also the only one in my family who graduated from college. These concerns are based off of an unfair stereotype.

    There might be some homechooled kids who are socially abnormal, but to make that generalization about all or most homeschoolers is unfair. If we are going to start generalizing, I could say that kids in public school have a greater risk of going crazy and shooting up the place.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    Btw, before I leave due to all these posts quite frankly pissing me off... Let me say this to all of the "professionals, psychiatrists, and teachers" who seem to be in absolute disagreement with home school in terms of social awkwardness, mental issues as I believe one person put it, and the ability to handle depression/anxiety. I'm really sorry to say this is such a harsh way and you can flame me all you want, but your degrees mean nothing unless you've experienced it yourself. You can sit there all day and argue psych 101 and the effects on children all you want, but unless you've actually been tormented day by day, experienced anxiety, depression, and tried home school for yourself as a alternative, you have no clue to the ACTUAL effects these things do to you. You're education tells you the most popular theories, methods and reasoning in order to gain a better understanding on human mentality, but the fact stands is that all of that knowledge exists without compassion and true understanding of what the individual experiences. Likewise most of those popular theories stem from small/large group studies done on a certain number of children in each given situation ,so to say that it stands for the majority is most of the time false. Like I said, you wouldn't understand unless you've been there yourself. While I agree the parents will must be strong and they must be prepared at the fullest in order for home school to work as it should with the child, how can you say that statistically the teachers in the US public schools are doing that? From personal experience, 90% of them don't give a rats *kitten* and hardly ever step in to prevent bullying or fooling around etc. Same goes with what some said about mental illness and shi* seriously wtf? I'd like to see some actual statistics that PROVE that home schooled children are more likely to become mentally unstable, and socially awkward than those in public school. And if you want to shoot me these statistics, don't forget to to include the fact that home schooled children make up a much smaller portion of children in the US okay? lol, I'm done, let the flaming begin.

    I am said professional you're mad at. I also had serious anxiety issues when I was a kid/teenager/young adult. In my opinion, your logic can be used against your argument ... because unless you sat in one of my classes or conducted one of my studies, you are unable to say that I don't understand. Furthermore, I know very few people in my field who did not have some kind of negative experience fueling their desire to enter the field ... because truthfully, most people hate us and just based on your reaction and others on here, it's not a field that is FUN to be in a lot of the time.

    I'm not going to speak for teachers, even though I was one briefly, but many parents came to me and yelled about how I didn't know what I was doing becaue I never had a learning disability. Now people get mad when I work with their [autistic, adhd, conduct disorder, bipolar, whatever] child because I never had those disorders. However, would anyone think twice about going to an oncologist who never actually had cancer? There's a reason that college and graduate school exist, because things have been learned and have been SUCCESSFULLY used with kids.

    A personal experience is n=1. That's absolutely useful! I do case studies all the time, but I also do small and larger research studies. While there are a lot of intrapersonal differences between children, the truth of the matter is that there are also a lot of similarities. Not every single thing is going to work with every single child, but that's to be expected.

    By the same token, homeschooling is not a one-size-fits-all-save-the-day solution for kids either. Do some kids benefit, absolutely! There are lots of great success stories with homeschooling, but there are also lots of success stories with public education.

    I agree with you that you need not experience each person's reality to help him/her. But, on the other hand, reading case studies and the like, while helpful, might inform, as well as distort, your analysis of another case, since each case is unique.

    I also agree there are home-schooling, as well as public schooling success stories, but even with public schooling success stories, many are the result of dedicated parents supporting the education at school and augmenting it.

    Education stems primarily from the home environment in my opinion. And it's important to remember that most states place the responsibility to educate children squarely on the shoulders of parents, empowering them to make the ultimate decisions. It's as it should be.
  • Erisad
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    Honestly, I wish I was homeschooled and begged my mom to do it several times. I hated my time in public school, as they don't know how to deal with someone who has Asperger's and kids are especially cruel to people with disabilities. I had a couple teachers help me out and offer support but most of them didn't care if I was being bullied right in front of them because I "deserved it" and it "builds character." If I have a child who is disabled like me, they will NOT be in public schooling, I'd probably put them into a private circuit that caters to special children, if I could afford it.
  • Nerdy_Rose
    Nerdy_Rose Posts: 1,277 Member
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    tl;dr.

    I was homschooled, so was my older sister. I am so social I will talk to a brick wall.
    She is not.

    The schooling had nothing to do with it. We're just very different people.

    Anyway, we both turned out fabulously and extremely intelligent. I was homeschooled until I was 14, went to public school (my choice) for one year and got the *kitten* beat out of me for being "different." So, I quit public high school at age 15, and started community college.

    Got my associate's at 18, bachelor's at 21, now I'm 26 and graduating with my master's this Sunday.

    I am still "different" and I like myself this way. I'm thankful I was homeschooled and that my mom supported my "weird" personality.
  • SirBen81
    SirBen81 Posts: 396 Member
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    Homeschool + private sport teams/lessons/groups = win

    It's very easy to have a great social life and be homeschooled at the same time. Plus having more control over what your kid is taught is great.
  • dhakiyya
    dhakiyya Posts: 481 Member
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    Homeschooling ISN'T for everyone but neither is public schooling. I think parents need to be attentive to their children and instead of saying; she has to learn to deal with life BLAH BLAH BLAH, they should be saying; how do we help HER learn how to deal with life?

    Totally agree. Kids don't learn to "deal with life" by facing abuse, social isolation or completely inappropriate educational activities (too easy or too hard) day in day out. Some kids do better homeschooled or in alternative environments (much smaller classes, different teaching methods etc) while others do better in mainstream schools.
    Public school is not reflective of real life at all. The abuses that go on in public schools would NEVER be allowed outside of school. If your coworker slams your head into a brick wall (happened to my brother), he won't be coming to work the next day... however, when it happened in public school the same boy who physically abused my brother was allowed to continue to come to school and my brother had to deal with being confronted with his abuser every single day. That doesn't happen in real life.

    Public school is great for kids who fit in, but not every kid is going to fit in and being treated like an outcast and bullied will NOT make a child stronger.

    Totally agree with that too. Adults, when faced with bullying or social isolation due to not fitting in, have the option to go and find a new group of friends. If it happens at work, and HR does not deal with it, you can take action against the company, or at the very least leave and get a new job. No-one would advise an adult to stay in a toxic/bullying work environment and "just put up with it" - yet kids are being expected to do that.... and kids are more at risk of psychological damage from it, because they haven't had so much life experience or the ability to rationalise what's going on. They're more likely to internalise it as them being unlikeable or unable to socialise than an adult would. The school environment of being forced to socialise with 30 people who have nothing in common with you besides the area they live in and the academic year they were born in, and not being able to get out of the situation if you don't fit in or are being bullied, is nothing like life after school.
  • ArtGeek22
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    From the point of view of a "certified, licensed school teacher," homeschooling can be suspicious. I have seen it done terribly - to the point where DHS gets involved - and I have seen it done perfectly.

    It shouldn't really seem suspicious. In the state of Florida, if I am not mistaken, if you are a home schooler you are *required* to show some form of progress to show that your child isn't falling behind.
  • saragato
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    If she has anxiety problems that merit medication, it might be something that can be done temporarily until it's under enough control with therapy and meds for her to be on a campus without shutting down.

    I wasn't raised in homeschooling, but I had to do it my senior year of high school. My junior year second semester I had a mental breakdown and had panic attacks just thinking about going to school that would keep me up literally all night and if I went anyway, by noon I had another attack and had to be picked up. After going through two psychiatrists and an outpatient mental facility I had been diagnosed with PTSD, Bipolar II, General Anxiety Disorder, Agoraphobia (generally a fear of people), OCD, and Androphobia (fear of men). I was just being put on proper medication so it was decided I was not stable enough to handle going back to school and I was put on something similar to homeschooling called "homebound" which is for kids already in the system who can't attend school because of injury, illness, pregnancy, etc.

    The setup there was I saw the teacher once a week for an hour, was given homework and basic instruction, and had the rest of the week to do my work. And I had a lot of classes, I was doing my 4 senior year classes plus two semesters of chemistry and all the other classes I'd had the second semester of my junior year. I ended up with good grades and graduated. I don't regret not going my senior year because I knew I couldn't handle it emotionally. I wasn't stabilized, I barely knew what triggered my anxiety or anything else.

    Like I said if it's because of her condition, I don't see it being bad as a temporary situation. If your sister or mom decides to try schooling on a campus for a semester or a school year sometime down the road and she's still not ready to be around her peers and with that much more pressure academic-wise, then she can go back until she's ready.
  • cannonsky
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    I don't have any ready answers for how to transform the public American education system, just the very beginnings of an approach. I do know that NCLB needs to go. My mother, who teaches 1st grade in an urban school district, and my father, who teaches high school English and German in a rural school district, despise it because it constrains them to the detriment of their students. My other thought is to make it much harder to become a teacher so that only the best and brightest can be in front of the classroom. In Finland, teaching is a high-status profession that pays well and has the same amount of respect (if not more) as the law and medicine because only the absolute best can become teachers (one reason why Finland is kicking America's butt in terms of education). In other words, the standards for becoming a teacher in America must be increased a lot. Lastly, since education is a political issue, we all must become involved with the political process, however dysfunctional it is. Federal and state educational mandates did not appear out of thin air.

    I agree the NCLB has to go... but I'm not sure that the problem is that teachers are under-qualified or lack the will-power... No one becomes a teacher just to become one... considering the low pay/ low praise nature of the job... most teachers WANT to teach.. and they WANT to do it well.. I think the system is a failed one. I would personally get rid of many of the standardized tests...
  • ki4yxo
    ki4yxo Posts: 709 Member
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    I homeschool our 8 year old son, and he has no social
    issues with kids his own age, or with adults. I have a
    schedule I follow where he tracks out when the neighbor's
    kids are out of school. My neighbor says he's very bright,
    and is a little ahead of there kid.

    I think he's pretty well rounded. He loves to play outside
    with his friends, ride his motorcycle, (TTR90) and is into
    video games as well. When it comes time for school work,
    everything gets shut off, and he does his work. If he gets
    anything wrong, I send him back to correct the work. 9/10
    times he gets it right the 2nd time. He's great in math,
    reads at his level, and his writing needs improvement.
    We're working on that...

    I'm ordering a national standardized test for him today
    from: http://www.setontesting.com/
  • kaetmarie
    kaetmarie Posts: 668 Member
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    Btw, before I leave due to all these posts quite frankly pissing me off... Let me say this to all of the "professionals, psychiatrists, and teachers" who seem to be in absolute disagreement with home school in terms of social awkwardness, mental issues as I believe one person put it, and the ability to handle depression/anxiety. I'm really sorry to say this is such a harsh way and you can flame me all you want, but your degrees mean nothing unless you've experienced it yourself. You can sit there all day and argue psych 101 and the effects on children all you want, but unless you've actually been tormented day by day, experienced anxiety, depression, and tried home school for yourself as a alternative, you have no clue to the ACTUAL effects these things do to you. You're education tells you the most popular theories, methods and reasoning in order to gain a better understanding on human mentality, but the fact stands is that all of that knowledge exists without compassion and true understanding of what the individual experiences. Likewise most of those popular theories stem from small/large group studies done on a certain number of children in each given situation ,so to say that it stands for the majority is most of the time false. Like I said, you wouldn't understand unless you've been there yourself. While I agree the parents will must be strong and they must be prepared at the fullest in order for home school to work as it should with the child, how can you say that statistically the teachers in the US public schools are doing that? From personal experience, 90% of them don't give a rats *kitten* and hardly ever step in to prevent bullying or fooling around etc. Same goes with what some said about mental illness and shi* seriously wtf? I'd like to see some actual statistics that PROVE that home schooled children are more likely to become mentally unstable, and socially awkward than those in public school. And if you want to shoot me these statistics, don't forget to to include the fact that home schooled children make up a much smaller portion of children in the US okay? lol, I'm done, let the flaming begin.

    I am said professional you're mad at. I also had serious anxiety issues when I was a kid/teenager/young adult. In my opinion, your logic can be used against your argument ... because unless you sat in one of my classes or conducted one of my studies, you are unable to say that I don't understand. Furthermore, I know very few people in my field who did not have some kind of negative experience fueling their desire to enter the field ... because truthfully, most people hate us and just based on your reaction and others on here, it's not a field that is FUN to be in a lot of the time.

    I'm not going to speak for teachers, even though I was one briefly, but many parents came to me and yelled about how I didn't know what I was doing becaue I never had a learning disability. Now people get mad when I work with their [autistic, adhd, conduct disorder, bipolar, whatever] child because I never had those disorders. However, would anyone think twice about going to an oncologist who never actually had cancer? There's a reason that college and graduate school exist, because things have been learned and have been SUCCESSFULLY used with kids.

    A personal experience is n=1. That's absolutely useful! I do case studies all the time, but I also do small and larger research studies. While there are a lot of intrapersonal differences between children, the truth of the matter is that there are also a lot of similarities. Not every single thing is going to work with every single child, but that's to be expected.

    By the same token, homeschooling is not a one-size-fits-all-save-the-day solution for kids either. Do some kids benefit, absolutely! There are lots of great success stories with homeschooling, but there are also lots of success stories with public education.

    I agree with you that you need not experience each person's reality to help him/her. But, on the other hand, reading case studies and the like, while helpful, might inform, as well as distort, your analysis of another case, since each case is unique.

    I also agree there are home-schooling, as well as public schooling success stories, but even with public schooling success stories, many are the result of dedicated parents supporting the education at school and augmenting it.

    Education stems primarily from the home environment in my opinion. And it's important to remember that most states place the responsibility to educate children squarely on the shoulders of parents, empowering them to make the ultimate decisions. It's as it should be.

    Absolutely! I don't think anyone could seriously argue that good parents are not correlated with increased levels of academic, social, and emotional success. Obviously, the more support and love you have at home, the better you are going to be ... homeschooled or educated in the public system.

    I also agree that some case studies could inform/distort work with another child. For me personally, I use research and case studies and my own experience as a starting point when I get a new student to work with. From there, I adjust as necessary. I recognize that I may be in the minority of school psychologists who do this (I hope not...), but I work very hard to find out what works for my students and they typically do very well, regardless of their personal issues, diagnoses, and home life. My kids have a LOT to overcome.

    I guess what I've been trying to say all along is that public schools are not all bad and there are people who care very much. It's my hope that there are people like this in every district, but it does fall on the parents to seek out these people and get the supports for their kids. Just like, if they choose to homeschool, that it's their job to provide the best academic and social learning opportunities.
  • hillm12345
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    "Teaching would be a lot easier if parents weren't so uninvolved and actually cared about their child's education more".

    I completely agree with this. I've met a variety of families over my years of teaching, and one thing the most successful students have in common is a solid home life with consistency, communication, and trust. Trust that the teacher is doing their job, and trust that the student will be held accountable for his or her work.
  • kaetmarie
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  • HollyAus
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    Here is something kinda funny!!! My husband has a history degree and is alternatively certified and teaches middle school history at the public school in our town. I have a Math Education Degree, but I stay home with our three little ones, oldest will be 5 in September. I am homeschool oldest for pre-K and will continue to do so until I feel he is mature enough to hold his ground in public school. It's not that I don't think Public school is "good" enough for my kids, We just want them to have a good foundation first. Yes we do it for "religious" reasons as well. We are Baptist and my husband is a preacher, and we are getting ready to go to South Africa to be missionaries, so Our kids will probablly never be in public school. I have to laugh at it since we both could teach in public schools lol

    But seriously... What's with all the nagging? I mean it's one thing to just state your opinion but to get all upset and "butt hurt" about is a little imature. So people think different than you? So what! Get used to it. lol. . Homeschooling wil work for some people and for others it wont. Its a choice that the parents have to make. Not anyone else.

    Good luck with your sister! (At least I think it was your sister, I forgot by now lol) :)
  • vim_n_vigor
    vim_n_vigor Posts: 4,089 Member
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    "Teaching would be a lot easier if parents weren't so uninvolved and actually cared about their child's education more".

    I completely agree with this. I've met a variety of families over my years of teaching, and one thing the most successful students have in common is a solid home life with consistency, communication, and trust. Trust that the teacher is doing their job, and trust that the student will be held accountable for his or her work.
    I can trust that the teacher is doing their job, but that doesn't mean that the job being assigned to them (NCLB regulations, etc) are really in the best interest of the children in their class. I had no problem with my son's teacher before I pulled him out of school. He was doing exactly what he was told he had to do for the curriculum of the Kindergarteners in the school district.
  • hillm12345
    hillm12345 Posts: 313 Member
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    "Teaching would be a lot easier if parents weren't so uninvolved and actually cared about their child's education more".

    I completely agree with this. I've met a variety of families over my years of teaching, and one thing the most successful students have in common is a solid home life with consistency, communication, and trust. Trust that the teacher is doing their job, and trust that the student will be held accountable for his or her work.
    I can trust that the teacher is doing their job, but that doesn't mean that the job being assigned to them (NCLB regulations, etc) are really in the best interest of the children in their class. I had no problem with my son's teacher before I pulled him out of school. He was doing exactly what he was told he had to do for the curriculum of the Kindergarteners in the school district.

    I do agree that the federal regulations get a bit ridiculous. I was mostly commenting to the fact that there are a large percentage of parents in the public school system that look at their underachieving child, and instead of holding said child accountable, they place blame on the teacher

    ETA: These parents are also the parents that will switch schools 3 or 4 different times in a school year assuming the school/teacher is to blame for the child not performing up to potential.