Fat Acceptance
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No one should be obese, these people are fooling themselves into believing the size they are is OK. It isn't healthy. Coming from a person who's weight goes up and down (100% my fault) I know for a fact that I'm not as healthy when overweight.
There are psychological issues involved with being overweight and they should be addressed. If you can't do it on your own seek help.
It is a dangerous mindset and shouldn't be encouraged. When the news shows someone who is 100 plus years old are they obese? ... NEVER, that has to show something
I'm tired of people bringing up the whole "you never see fat 100 year olds" argument. The majority of people, be they obese or one of MFP's famous health nuts, are not going to live for a century. It has way more to do with genetics and environment than weight.0 -
I guess I can sum it up as plainly as possible.
I am seeing a lot of comments that the "Fat Acceptance" movement is simply about not discriminating against fat people.
My point originally - Why do they need a movement for that, that is just called not being an "*kitten* hat".
When you define a movement for any thing you get the extremes of both sides and it gets out of hand really quickly. Perusing through many "fat acceptance" blogs is quite a disgusting experience in terror.
People full on glorifying obesity even without any medical conditions other than their "obesity" and they are damned proud of it. That is a problem, people taking action against transit companies, restaurants and other businesses because they don't have seats large enough for them ? That is not fat acceptance in my opinion that is forcing ideology down every body else's throat that the rest of society has to bend for a classification of people that thrive on their own self made destruction.
People so freely throw the word "discrimination" around and do not really understand what it means.
A restaurant with seats that are not large enough for a 500 lb person is not ANY form of discrimination. If a Black Man could not sit there, if a Blind Man could not sit there or if a Lesbian woman could not sit there then by all means that is discrimination.
That is why the fat acceptance movement and others are trying to push obesity as a handicap so that it can be classified as discrimination.
I saw some blogs about people in the fat acceptance movement lobbying to force all clothing stores to have big and tall sections, oh and to change the name from big and tall to "full" or to completely eliminate plus sized and big and tall and just incorporate all sizes onto the rack. Does that mean stores have to accommodate and make clothing for every single body shape, does every clothing company have to make clothes for amputees/ little people ? If you classify it as discrimination then that is the trend that will occur, it would only be a matter of time before we have "fat restrooms" because that 450 lb man would be much more comfortable on a larger toilet and it is discrimination if you only have restrooms for non fat people.
Don't go on about other medical conditions either that cause obesity, I know they exist and I know that under circumstances like thyroid diseases and what not (pre obesity, many of those diseases do occur BECAUSE of obesity and many do not)
Back to my original point, I think it is just the mantra that many people in the movement are about that it is scary. That it is okay to be fat, not that they should not be discriminated against but that they should be fine with it because it is almost ....healthy.0 -
Reading this thread, one phrase just keeps popping up in my head. "You hate in others what you hate in yourself".0
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Reading this thread, one phrase just keeps popping up in my head. "You hate in others what you hate in yourself".
Couldn't put my finger on it, but I think you got it in one.0 -
Everyone, please step back and repeat after me.
Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy.
Continue repeating until you get it through your head.
Unfortunately that's a total crock. The truth is some people handle extra weight better than others... until they don't. I've met many older people who are healthy and have their wits. NONE of them were overweight for even part of their lives. I've also spent much time around units that care for people with Alzheimers and dementia. Very few of the patients were slender in their earlier adult lives.
There's a TREMENDOUS difference between being healthy and just not having a diagnosis of an acute disease at this very moment. It goes beyond risk factors. It also has to do with whether you're functioning at the lower or upper end of normal as well as whether your functioning is declining.
Now there are people, who because of biological issues, have a much harder time controlling their urges and weight. They shouldn't be demonized. But it's absolutely absurd to call them healthy because some of them are not on lots of medication or in need of medical procedures at this very moment.0 -
No one should be obese, these people are fooling themselves into believing the size they are is OK. It isn't healthy. Coming from a person who's weight goes up and down (100% my fault) I know for a fact that I'm not as healthy when overweight.
There are psychological issues involved with being overweight and they should be addressed. If you can't do it on your own seek help.
It is a dangerous mindset and shouldn't be encouraged. When the news shows someone who is 100 plus years old are they obese? ... NEVER, that has to show something
I'm tired of people bringing up the whole "you never see fat 100 year olds" argument. The majority of people, be they obese or one of MFP's famous health nuts, are not going to live for a century. It has way more to do with genetics and environment than weight.
Have you seen a 100 year old fat person? Yes or no?0 -
Have you seen a 100 year old fat person? Yes or no?
I think that people tend to lose weight in old age, so they wouldn't be common.0 -
No one should be obese, these people are fooling themselves into believing the size they are is OK. It isn't healthy. Coming from a person who's weight goes up and down (100% my fault) I know for a fact that I'm not as healthy when overweight.
There are psychological issues involved with being overweight and they should be addressed. If you can't do it on your own seek help.
It is a dangerous mindset and shouldn't be encouraged. When the news shows someone who is 100 plus years old are they obese? ... NEVER, that has to show something
I'm tired of people bringing up the whole "you never see fat 100 year olds" argument. The majority of people, be they obese or one of MFP's famous health nuts, are not going to live for a century. It has way more to do with genetics and environment than weight.
Have you seen a 100 year old fat person? Yes or no?
So.... are you kidding or did you honestly completely miss my point?0 -
Everyone, please step back and repeat after me.
Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy.
Continue repeating until you get it through your head.
Unfortunately that's a total crock. The truth is some people handle extra weight better than others... until they don't. I've met many older people who are healthy and have their wits. NONE of them were overweight for even part of their lives. I've also spent much time around units that care for people with Alzheimers and dementia. Very few of the patients were slender in their earlier adult lives.
There's a TREMENDOUS difference between being healthy and just not having a diagnosis of an acute disease at this very moment. It goes beyond risk factors. It also has to do with whether you're functioning at the lower or upper end of normal as well as whether your functioning is declining.
Now there are people, who because of biological issues, have a much harder time controlling their urges and weight. They shouldn't be demonized. But it's absolutely absurd to call them healthy because some of them are not on lots of medication or in need of medical procedures at this very moment.
^ Really good points.
The damage from obesity and excess body fat is long-term, not short term.0 -
No one should be obese, these people are fooling themselves into believing the size they are is OK. It isn't healthy. Coming from a person who's weight goes up and down (100% my fault) I know for a fact that I'm not as healthy when overweight.
There are psychological issues involved with being overweight and they should be addressed. If you can't do it on your own seek help.
It is a dangerous mindset and shouldn't be encouraged. When the news shows someone who is 100 plus years old are they obese? ... NEVER, that has to show something
I'm tired of people bringing up the whole "you never see fat 100 year olds" argument. The majority of people, be they obese or one of MFP's famous health nuts, are not going to live for a century. It has way more to do with genetics and environment than weight.
Have you seen a 100 year old fat person? Yes or no?
So.... are you kidding or did you honestly completely miss my point?
I am kidding actually. Sorry.0 -
There are more factors than just 'pizzas and cheeseburgers' that factor into whether or not someone is 'fat.'
GET OVER yourselves people. Not everyone who is overweight is a lazy, unmotivated person who just eats all day.
Ever heard of hormonal disorders?
This is the most ridiculous argument ever.0 -
just as a side: I love it when obese people guzzling diet coke tell me that smoking is bad for me; then they get in their SUVs and dial a friend for the drive home.
but as for "fat acceptance", I'm more prone to "body acceptance". One should love the body at any size as the effects of choices take a while to mend. Be proud of who you are by your own measure, not some idea that someone else put in your head.0 -
It shouldn't matter how much you weigh, if you're fat/skinny etc. We're all just people. Saying "I have no respect for fat people" is pointless. Why should anyone care if a person they don't know has respect for them.
*You let people hurt you by listening to them. Ignore them and live with yourself.
( * I say "you" in a general sense not refering to anyone in particular)
I also say this in response to the people you carry on about how little they respect fat people, well guess what? WE DON'T CARE!!!
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I have to disagree on one point, obesity is not like smoking at all. You don't have to smoke to live, but you have to eat. And your eating patterns, attitude towards food, and tendency toward obesity are all set when you're young when you simply have no control over it. If you're an overweight child you've got a lifetime of fighting against obesity ahead of you.
Now, regarding this movement: I'm still a fat person myself, having just dropped from an obese BMI to an overweight BMI, And having faced size discrimination myself, I fully believe that a person is not their weight.
However, I don't give much credence to the fat acceptance movement. It would be one thing if the movement, from what I know of it, was encouraging its members to work toward a healthy weight, but they're not. The message that I've heard from them is that fat people are fine just the way they are, and **** anyone who doesn't like it.
I chose not to like it.
This is perfectly said! I have been overweight/obese all my life and sadly I think my weight is something Im going to fight with for the rest of my life! I do not want my children to know what its like to be overweight its an awful feeling. Im still obese but I do not agree with changing the way things are because the country continues to get fatter. People have the choice to change themselves(as hard as it may be) but telling them that they are fine just the way they are is only, IMHO, giving overweight/obese people a crutch to lean on.0 -
No one should be obese, these people are fooling themselves into believing the size they are is OK. It isn't healthy. Coming from a person who's weight goes up and down (100% my fault) I know for a fact that I'm not as healthy when overweight.
There are psychological issues involved with being overweight and they should be addressed. If you can't do it on your own seek help.
It is a dangerous mindset and shouldn't be encouraged. When the news shows someone who is 100 plus years old are they obese? ... NEVER, that has to show something
I think it's more dangerous to sheeple your way through life believing that one body type is the ultimate goal.0 -
you know what? in thinking about it, just because you're lean doesn't make you healthy. You could have all kinds of fatty deposits that you don't know about, so why hate on those that show it?
I'm in excellent shape; in fact, I'm probably in better shape than many people who weigh 50lbs less than me.
I love my body at all sizes. I am confident and sexy and I don't really care if other people accept or don't accept me for who I am.0 -
I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.0 -
I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.
NOT ALL UNHEALTY PEOPLE ARE FAT.0 -
I love what you said here.A person is more than their weight. They have thoughts, feelings, desires, and emotions just like a skinny person. To me, "fat acceptance" isn't saying being fat is healthy, or ideal, or idolized. Its accepting that the adjective "fat" isn't the sole defining characteristic of a person. Fat people deal with a lot of assumptions made about them - they're lazy, dumb, slow, low-class. You see a person, and judge them immediately, simply because of their weight. That is unfair, and dehumanizing. We all have an inner life that lives on regardless of how our exterior appears.
Fat people know they're fat. They're not blind. To me, fat acceptance is recognizing the person within the person, and treating them with the same humanity we should treat all others. Be kind, as everyone is carrying within them a struggle.0 -
Everyone, please step back and repeat after me.
Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy.
Continue repeating until you get it through your head.
PERFECT, thank you!0 -
Everyone, please step back and repeat after me.
Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy. Not all fat people are unhealthy.
Continue repeating until you get it through your head.
I agree!!! But the pressure on joints etc can take a toll but also I know a lot of fat people who are way healthier then rail thin people!0 -
I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.
Maybe not, but they're lucky if they aren't.
Being fat makes it more likely that you will have certain health problems. Why should that be presented as okay?0 -
I truly believe you accomplish more out of love - for yourself and others, than hate. I used to diet out of HATE. Now I am trying to live a healthy lifestyle out of LOVE. Self acceptance can sometimes lead to a change that no amount of self-loathing can manufacture.
OH MY GOSH THIS.
Fat acceptance helped me learn to love myself - really, truly love myself, my body, everything - at 268 pounds. Which in turn, lead to me realizing that I was worth taking care of and it was worth trying out new things, like biking and running and swimming, which lead to weight loss - not my original goal.
So yes, I love the fat acceptance movement. It helped my love myself and find a happier, healthier me.0 -
If someone wants to be overweight, so be it. We're all on our own journey. Many people live in denial about many things, and they have that right to as part of their journey. There's a 12 step saying... recovery is for those who WANT it, not for those who need it. As part of my personal journey, I am learning to respect that. Just as a child has the right (actually the need) to learn from making mistakes, we all have the right to our mistakes and our lessons.
Not that being overweight is a mistake... as others have pointed out, fat doesn't necessarily equal unhealthy. My point is, we all have the right to be what we are.0 -
A person is more than their weight. They have thoughts, feelings, desires, and emotions just like a skinny person. To me, "fat acceptance" isn't saying being fat is healthy, or ideal, or idolized. Its accepting that the adjective "fat" isn't the sole defining characteristic of a person. Fat people deal with a lot of assumptions made about them - they're lazy, dumb, slow, low-class. You see a person, and judge them immediately, simply because of their weight. That is unfair, and dehumanizing. We all have an inner life that lives on regardless of how our exterior appears.
Fat people know they're fat. They're not blind. To me, fat acceptance is recognizing the person within the person, and treating them with the same humanity we should treat all others. Be kind, as everyone is carrying within them a struggle.
I hope you know how caring and smart you really are !! Excellent answer !! Everyone is carrying within them a struggle. I LOVE that !!!0 -
I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.
If you're fat & you don't already have them you're more likely to develop A lot more sicknesses than someone who isn't. It's hilarious when people bring this up. It's like "hurr not all diabetics are fat!!" when more than 80% are obese.
If you think being fat is better than being thin (not bullemia or anorexia thin) than you are sadly mistaken
If this was a anorexia acceptance thread itd be closed by page 3. That's an actual mental illness, being obese more often than not is because that person is lazy & overheats. I used to be a celestial body, I know. I also know that a ton of people who think they are genetically predisposed to it but in reality aren't. & a very small percentage of the population actually has a thyroid problem.
These groups are garbage. & are nothing more than groups for these people to coddle eachother & give eachother a false sense of pride. Quality of life improves tenfold when not obese.0 -
And not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, but why chance it? Overweight and obesity are risk factors for heath problems that can take years to manifest themselves. Whether you mentally accept your weight or not, you have no guarantee that your body will.I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.0 -
And not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer, but why chance it? Overweight and obesity are risk factors for heath problems that can take years to manifest themselves. Whether you mentally accept your weight or not, you have no guarantee that your body will.I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.
^ THIS!0 -
Being overweight is a huge factor for diabetes, heart disease, joints problems, some cancers should I go on? You might not be unhealthy NOW, but how long will it last? Long term prognostic are not positive.I think its stupid as hell. That's just saying its perfectly ok to be unhealthy. It's not ok. And our children should not be taught that.
AGAIN: Repeat: NOT ALL FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY.0 -
why should everyone want to live a long life? i mean, in a way life kind of sucks. so why not just enjoy what you have while you have it in all its forms!?
I could easily be dead tomorrow, or even in 5 minutes. Who knows? So I'm gonna take it where I've got it and love me and my life as I have it, right now: fat, healthy, sexy, funny and kind.0
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