The Cornerstone of Upper Body Strength: The Pullup
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This is mostly the reason why boot camp in the military they test you on pullups.
The only branch I know of which requires pullups for the Physical Readiness Test is the Marines. Good or Bad. US Army is 2 mile run, X Pushups in 2 minutes, and X situps in two minutes depandant on age and gender. Whoops never mind they have just recently changed the test requirement that includes pull ups.0 -
Great post. I cannot do a pull-up and so I have avoided them. I felt like a fool haning on the bar not being able to complete a pull up. Haven't tried chin-up's maybe I can do those and work up to a pull-up? I always thought I would go use the pull-up assist machine but they just didn't feel right.0
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I would love to do a pull up one day! what are your thoughts on using a chair to help when doing pull ups. as suggested on P90X?0
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I love this post!
The satisfaction I get from being able able to do pull ups/chin ups is almost as big as the one I get from getting to the level of fitness/weight I am at today.
2 years ago, I could do only 1 chin up and 0 pull ups. Today, I can do about 11 - 13 chin ups and 6 - 7 pull ups in a row. These are also full motion ones! I am so proud of this and it is very satisfying to feel people looking at me as I am doing them.
So in the event of a zombie apocalypse, I will be able to pull myself up with ease and increase my % of survival.0 -
I would love to do a pull up one day! what are your thoughts on using a chair to help when doing pull ups. as suggested on P90X?
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For those just starting out or struggling with pullups/chin ups ... place a chair in front of you with the seat facing away. Gently place your feet on the back of the chair as doing a pullup. When the chair begins to move or fall towards you stop ... that should signal that you form is going south as you are using too much leg strength to push you up. The chair should be as far away as you can get it and still perform pullups with good form.
See this image for setup ...
http://ninja-fitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/TonyHortonChairAssistedPullUps-300x227.jpg
When I first started, I tried this method and I had a hard time not relying on my legs or figuring if I am using my legs too much. I found negatives more effective, as there's no question that I am using my strength. I was able to do a chin up first, then pull up two days later.0 -
Great post. I cannot do a pull-up and so I have avoided them. I felt like a fool haning on the bar not being able to complete a pull up. Haven't tried chin-up's maybe I can do those and work up to a pull-up? I always thought I would go use the pull-up assist machine but they just didn't feel right.
Yeah, most strength coaches I've read from say to stay away from the assist machine. Start with the narrow-grip chin-up and narrow-grip neutral grip if you can as those are the easier ranges for chins & pulls.0 -
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In response to the Gold Gym pull up bar not allowing for wide grip pull ups, we just got the Iron Gym Extreme Edition one that have a bar for wide gripe. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001ND04U40
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good read, thanks for the info. i will start adding this into my StrongLifts routine. :drinker:0
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Bumpage, good stuff here.0
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Great info as always Joe. I've never been able to do a pullup my whole life. Now I do 30 broken up in sets three times a week. They're my favorite exercise right now.
The only exercises that truly matter are the ones that prepare you to fight zombies. Fact.
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<<<Weighted pullups FTW!
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In response to the Gold Gym pull up bar not allowing for wide grip pull ups, we just got the Iron Gym Extreme Edition one that have a bar for wide gripe. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001ND04U4
The bar allows for wide grip pullups. It just doesn't allow for a shoulder width grip for chinups, putting your hands too close together, (or way to far apart if using the pullup width).0 -
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I appreciate this post. Great info. God knows I need work here..........0
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Great info, Joe. I'm working on chin-ups and using a little bit of hip drive to get up there. I'm doing the multiple sets of low level reps and doing the negatives. I'm soooooooooooooo close to being able to do my first real chin-up with no hip drive!! Very exciting0
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"You don't lock your elbows straight in a dead hang position while in the middle of a set. You keep them slightly bent. "
Again, why?
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Replying to keep hold of this thread, thank you! Working towards one day being able to actually do pull-ups!!0
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The Pullup --- there's a goal! And I WILL get there!0
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Greetings fellow MFP'ers. It's your "friendly" neighborhood Joe here to speak with you today about the SCALE of upper body strength known as THE PULLUP.
If someone were to come up to me and try to "size me up" asking me if I "worked out" or was "into bodybuilding", and he or she asked me "What do you bench?" I would chuckle a bit and then give them two answers:
First answer: My 1RM is 285. This is partly due to a tender left shoulder rotator cuff.
Second answer: A good measure or scale of upper body strength is NOT the Bench Press, it is the Pullup.
Ask any serious bodybuilder or strength trainer. Unless you are competing in powerlifting or you are in the NFL Combine, strength is measured by how many pullups you can do. This is mostly the reason why boot camp in the military they test you on pullups.
Example: If we are at war or there is a zombie apocalypse, do you think being able to Bench Press 500lbs is going to help you in ANY WAY to survive? No, it's not. But, if you can do pullups and pull your own bodyweight up with EASE, your ability to survive goes up dramatically.
Before I talk about ways to strengthen your pullups, let me first state this and I'll put it in bold so it sinks:
DO NOT use the assisted pullup machine to try to build strength. I will repeat this. DO NOT use the assisted pullup machien to try to build strength.
The pullup assist machine is VERY different from doing REAL pullups or chinups. The form is different. The position and ease for your legs is different. It is not the same in any way, shape or form. I will give you some tips below on how to strengthen your pullups/chinups. It may be hard at first, but it will get easier.
1. Start with multiple sets of low reps.
Do 10 sets of 1 pullup with 30 seconds rest in between sets. Time yourself. Only take 30 seconds max. When you can do 1 pullup with ease, then move onto to 10 sets of 2 pullups. Go until you can perform 10 sets of 5 pullups with 30 seconds rest. Once you achieve this, then you'll be able to do 10 pullups pretty easily for your first set. Trust me this works.
2. Use resistance bands.
Loop a resistance band around the pullup bar, and then around your knee for assistance. This is NOT the same as using the "pullup assist machine".
3. Strengthen your grip.
Either use grip strengtheners, do Deadlifts, Plate pinches, or do Heavy Bar Pulls and hold for 10-20 seconds. You'd be surprised at how this will help your pullups.
4. Do chinups.
Chinups are a lot easier to do over Pullups as they use the biceps. Pullups have a lot more back involvement though.
5. Use hip drive.
I don't care what anyone says. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using momentum when starting out to build pullup strength. Granted you need to eventually do pullups without hip drive, but it will help with strength.
6. Perform negative movements.
Start in the up position, and go down slow. This will help not only form, but strength as well.
7. Do weighted 10-2's.
Grab a weighted vest or a chained weight-belt and add plates to it. Do 10 sets of 2 reps with 30 seconds rest.
8. Don't go to failure.
One of the biggest mistakes people do with pullups and/or chinups is they go to failure. This does not help you. Your form suffers, you can risk shoulder injuries. It's just not a good idea. Do as many pullups as you can with GOOD form.
9. Make sure you start in proper position.
You need to start with your arms straight, pull your shoulder blades down and lock your shoulders into their sockets. Do NOT start with your shoulders up near your ears like you're doing a shoulder shrug. This is NOT proper form at all.
10. Initiate with your lats.
When you start to pull, keep shoulders back, head up and fire your lats FIRST, not your biceps/arms. If you are doing this correctly, you'll know it.
11. Drive your elbows down.
Make sure you drive your elbows down and back. Don't pull with your biceps.
12. Pull your chin over the bar.
Sure when you're starting to build strength, you may not be able to which is fine, but eventually you need to. Nothing else needs to be said.
13. Use different grips.
Palms facing away, Palms facing you, Palms facing each other. Also use different widths of your grip.
14. Keep elbows slightly bent throughout your set.
Don't lock your elbows in the middle of a set. Keep them bent at all times.
That's it. Building pullup strength takes time just like anything else. You'll get it with patience and practice.
Until the next time my friends.
This is your "friendly" neighborhood Joe....signing off.
What if you're like me? I am 5'4" and I currently weigh 250lbs (SW: 297lbs). While I am pretty strong for a woman, there is NO WAY I'm gettin' my 250lb lard butt off the ground with sheer upper body strength at my current level of fitness. I still want to strengthen those muscles, though. So, the closest exercise I can come up with is to do the lat pull down (2 sets of 15 @ 70lbs, and I'm getting ready to increase the weight a little this week). Eventually, as I lose weight and my strength increases, I will switch to pull ups. I agree they are the most effective way to build upper body strength. I'm just not capable of doing them at this point.0 -
bump for later! Read through the whole thread, now I just need to try the things stated!0
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