Dismayed overhearing comments............

Wow this topic was popular!

I just wanted to say that I think ninerbuff's comments following the original post were more insightful of his attitude - I honestly think that the tone of the first post was what made it sound judgmental, not the content. I don't think he is a terrible trainer, person, or fatty-fat-fat-person judger. I think that his post was written as an observation and wasn't carefully constructed to avoid sounding judgmental. It happens.

There are a few snarling dogs in here, yes, but there are also thoughtful, hardworking people who have a harder time than others losing weight. The simple fact is, this is a health website and we are trying our best. My best is probably a lot worse than many of the fit people's best. I like to think when I reach my goal, I will be that much more satisfied with myself than they can ever be, because I came from a much worse place!

Anyway, I just wanted to say that OP's initial post doesn't seem hurtful when taken in consideration with the rest of his observations. But I also want to say that a lot of the comments on here WERE mean. Yes, we all judge. Yes, no one needs to be sugar coating things or enabling people by saying "oh its fine, eat 6000 calories today, you earned it!"

But calling someone disgusting, weak-willed, hypocritical, offensive, stupid, or implying any variety of those things (not OP, but others in this thread) based on their eating habits and/or weight is not productive. Not for them, not for you, and not for the people on this site. I am so thankful for honesty and encouragement, and that includes a kick in the butt when I get off track, but I asked for it. Some people aren't ready for it, especially not from a stranger, and especially considering obesity is often times tied to emotional issues.

This thread is awesome. Lets recap for the late commers:

It starts out with good intent and a simple observation made on a cruise ship about some obese people saying that they were putting their diet on hold. The misunderstanding comes in because these were not serious dieters or people looking for a change. By their descriptions from the OP, they were just regular old fat people who probably start new "diets" every week. We all know the type. The comedy is them saying that they were putting it on hold when obviously they had never seriously started it.
All is going well, then about 8 to 10 posts in someone takes offense, sees their opportunity to jump all over this guy in make him into a "fat person hater" . Maybe they just needed a hug or something, but instead they choose to fire up the torches and come after the OP. Then the dam broke and every sensitive obese person in town got wind of the witch hunt, and came to share their sob story about how what they eat is no ones business but their own. and how they can be fat if they want to, and its not the OP's business.
In a nut shell this thread seprates people into two groups. Those that know they have a problem and want to change and those that want to keep making yet more excuses to remain fat..

Lets get back to the action.....

Thanks for the example of "not productive"! And right under my comment, too - perfect

This thread is awesome. Lets recap for the late commers:

It starts out with good intent and a simple observation made on a cruise ship about some obese people saying that they were putting their diet on hold. The misunderstanding comes in because these were not serious dieters or people looking for a change. By their descriptions from the OP, they were just regular old fat people who probably start new "diets" every week. We all know the type. The comedy is them saying that they were putting it on hold when obviously they had never seriously started it.
All is going well, then about 8 to 10 posts in someone takes offense, sees their opportunity to jump all over this guy in make him into a "fat person hater" . Maybe they just needed a hug or something, but instead they choose to fire up the torches and come after the OP. Then the dam broke and every sensitive obese person in town got wind of the witch hunt, and came to share their sob story about how what they eat is no ones business but their own. and how they can be fat if they want to, and its not the OP's business.
In a nut shell this thread seprates people into two groups. Those that know they have a problem and want to change and those that want to keep making yet more excuses to remain fat..

Lets get back to the action.....

Hysterical!! :laugh:

So just a couple of things I noticed on my cruise was when we were eating, there were OBVIOUSLY quite a few people on there that were obese and very overweight, so while waiting in line, I heard more than a few times some of them saying "hands aren't tied on this cruise" or "diet is out the door". Of course my first thought was that based on their physical appearance, it doesn't seem that they had any reason to make the statement. Now that's ASSUMING they weren't dieting prior to the cruise, but in reality, they aren't the size they are because of eating normally (in general cases). And let me tell you that there were so many people eating like they were starving when their bodies didn't show that was the case.
I believe you're there to enjoy a vacation, but there has to be a limit to how much you eat, just like in everyday life. I felt bad for one child who was only 12 (I estimated him to be about 185lb) and wanted to ride the Aquaduck ride with his dad (well over 350lbs), but together they were over the weight limit that was safe for 2 people to ride. So each had to go individually.
More the reason that we as people should strive for a more reasonable weight limit so that we can enjoy life more.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I have never read something more judgemental. And I have to say that coming from a "certified personal trainer" I find it a little pathetic. Your job is to help people NOT belittle them!

I think that you may be "hung up" on a diet being a regimen to lose or gain weight. But everyone has a diet even if it is a poor one. The word "diet" simply means "habitual nurishment"..... so they were right... they are probably eating outside the habitual nurishment.

With that said, I just want to share something with you.... you missed it.... these folks were feeling guilty and hence the remark. They probably agree with you, too. The new they were over-eating and they new it was not the best choice, but they settled on that choice... all the while feeling like jerks. Sad, really.

So just a couple of things I noticed on my cruise was when we were eating, there were OBVIOUSLY quite a few people on there that were obese and very overweight, so while waiting in line, I heard more than a few times some of them saying "hands aren't tied on this cruise" or "diet is out the door". Of course my first thought was that based on their physical appearance, it doesn't seem that they had any reason to make the statement. Now that's ASSUMING they weren't dieting prior to the cruise, but in reality, they aren't the size they are because of eating normally (in general cases). And let me tell you that there were so many people eating like they were starving when their bodies didn't show that was the case.
I believe you're there to enjoy a vacation, but there has to be a limit to how much you eat, just like in everyday life. I felt bad for one child who was only 12 (I estimated him to be about 185lb) and wanted to ride the Aquaduck ride with his dad (well over 350lbs), but together they were over the weight limit that was safe for 2 people to ride. So each had to go individually.
More the reason that we as people should strive for a more reasonable weight limit so that we can enjoy life more.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I have never read something more judgemental. And I have to say that coming from a "certified personal trainer" I find it a little pathetic. Your job is to help people NOT belittle them!

Then it sounds like you need to read more.

This thread is awesome. Lets recap for the late commers:

It starts out with good intent and a simple observation made on a cruise ship about some obese people saying that they were putting their diet on hold. The misunderstanding comes in because these were not serious dieters or people looking for a change. By their descriptions from the OP, they were just regular old fat people who probably start new "diets" every week. We all know the type. The comedy is them saying that they were putting it on hold when obviously they had never seriously started it.
All is going well, then about 8 to 10 posts in someone takes offense, sees their opportunity to jump all over this guy in make him into a "fat person hater" . Maybe they just needed a hug or something, but instead they choose to fire up the torches and come after the OP. Then the dam broke and every sensitive obese person in town got wind of the witch hunt, and came to share their sob story about how what they eat is no ones business but their own. and how they can be fat if they want to, and its not the OP's business.
In a nut shell this thread seprates people into two groups. Those that know they have a problem and want to change and those that want to keep making yet more excuses to remain fat..

Lets get back to the action.....

Thank you for the re-cap, this should be reposted at the top of each additional page, so that we don't have to read pages of comments to get current.

I'm not clicking back on here so there is no need to even respond to this!

Winning!!!
--Charlie Sheen

Everyone is on their individual journey toward health. I pay no attention to the comments of others because I know that their journey is not mine and vice versa. My grandmother lived to be 96 and she was 250lbs. She was never ill. My great grandmother was 200lbs and she died at 103. She was never ill. My father has been an athlete all of his life and never overweight. He is diabetic and at one point was insulin dependent. I am old enough to know that people have to find their own way and my thoughts about it do not matter. When people are ready they will make a change. When they are not ready, they will remain stagnant.

Amen. I wished people would stop judging others. ike my grandmother always says, "Sweep in front of your own doorstep". Everyone is not meant to be skinny/thin/whatever you want to call it. You can still be large and healthy point period blank Ugh some of these threads are so biased. I'd expect a lot more intelligence coming from someone who has all of these cetrifications and alphabet letters behind their name