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Gale, before you reply again...
Let me clarify further... My responses were a bit muddy at parts and I should have applied more context in my replies at some points...so for that, my fault and I apologize. I never said it was impossible to gain LBM while in a deficit. I gave criteria for obese/fat, untrained /undertrained, or retraining being exemptions.
My issue was with you in particular as I've stated. What I said was that I do not believe YOU are adding SUBSTANTIAL LBM while in a caloric deficit, nor do a believe a woman eating 1400 calories per day is (that is probably right around her BMR). I even said she might've had a SMALL amount of hypertrophy from newbie gains, but the bulk of the strength gains being a result or neuromuscular adaptations; and the "more noticeable muscle" as a result of reduced body fat levels.
Additional factors are working against both of you: age, gender, a reduced amount of certain hormones (namely testosterone), etc. I don't believe that either are training hard enough for those changes to occur on a substantial level either. That is me being honest, not mean.
I used the studies of athletes who train very hard under controlled circumstances to compare against you. In only one of the studies was there an increase of LBM while in a deficit, and as I pointed it it was only about .6kg. It just so happened to be the individual that had the most fat and least training experience.
If they were not gaining substantial LBM in a deficit with training and nutrition that is on point... I doubt you are. Again, just me being honest and not trying to be mean.
NOW, science is constantly evolving. However, I have yet to come across any studies that show substantial increases in LBM in trained individuals. If I do come across them, I would view them with objectively with an open mind. However, I do believe that if it was an optimal approach (trying to achieve LBM gains in a deficit) more emphasis would be placed on it on more of a mass scale, as opposed to the emphasis being focused on simply preserving lean mass while in a deficit.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.0 -
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Lol. Don't let him get to you brother. It's just not worth it. He's not even bothering to read your stuffLolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.
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Lol. Don't let him get to you brother. It's just not worth it. He's not even bothering to read your stuffLolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.
Not to mention the fact that he thinks "quickanddirtytips" is a reputable source…0 -
Lol. Don't let him get to you brother. It's just not worth it. He's not even bothering to read your stuffLolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.
agreed….
ndj you might consider upgrading your photo so you do not look so far behind LolBroScience's new look.-1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Lol. Don't let him get to you brother. It's just not worth it. He's not even bothering to read your stuffLolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.
agreed….
ndj you might consider upgrading your photo so you do not look so far behind LolBroScience's new look.
what does that even mean????? LOL0 -
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I keep telling myself I will not open this thread today.. But just when I think I got away it draws me back in.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
Lol. Don't let him get to you brother. It's just not worth it. He's not even bothering to read your stuffLolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thanks Gail Hawkins, It still is a bit confusing but I am working on it. I was also reading about glycerin and from my research it does add to the daily carb amount.
quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/healthy-eating/is-glycerin-a-healthy-sweetener
Well glycerin as a sweetener is a new one on me but I did just read the above. All of this can be so confusing. Yesterday when LolBroScience posted the link awesome link about the dangers eating fewer calories than you need as we all have done was an eye opener as to why most people are better off not to even diet if we do not understand the full picture. The body is really an amazing work of art.
Two months ago when I gave sugar and most carbs the boot that applied to any and all sweeteners so now I just try to avoid foods with them when possible. After totally ditching sugar I lost the sugar/sweet craving but I am going to read more about.
There is a lot of new research going on about dieting that I look forward to reading about next year hopefully.
You're not dieting down into the single digits of body fat. Did you not read anything else that I mentioned? It seems as if you missed my entire point and just decided to read or hear what you wanted.
agreed….
ndj you might consider upgrading your photo so you do not look so far behind LolBroScience's new look.
How about you actually address what I said?0 -
bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm
ndj1975 and LolBroScience I expect in the real world you are two young guys showing real potential. If you guys work to gain some current knowledge on dieting and lifting the sky may be the limit. You are going however have to do some real research on lifting, dieting and get to know your hormones that are in fact your best friends or your worse enemy.
Get to know your hormonal states and stop limiting yourselves and making nonsense posts. It works best if one builds some muscle between the ears before dieting and/or lifting. The two of you seem motivated but you MUST start working in an informed way vs. just tilting with old men.
Today one does not have to have earned a terminal degree in the field of science/healthcare to get their minds around the current knowledge base on dieting or most any other subject. Just read the current research.
Until you better develop your BS detecting skills stay away from information coming from anyone selling a book, dieting products, etc because of the huge potential conflict of interest. As I have told you I will not try to mislead you in any way especially since I do hold an OD degree and there is an obligation to the other readers that I do not mislead them.
If you wish to keep sparing with me we can do that. I know very little and many know much more but often time they will not get involved with people who claim to know things that they clearly do not know. Most find uninformed forum bullies distasteful. If you guys will try to stop blowing way people (I am not talking things you type to me) who have a lot to offer myfitnesspal then myfitnesspal will be of even more value to the world than it is today.
You can I am sure become an asset to myfitnesspal vs leading those who may listen to you astray on the most basic of things that may cause them a life time of harm.
On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
The person who is overweight and can only do three push ups we know can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because we have or are doing it currently. The link above is really talking to current body builders not we fat ones that have let our muscles waste away. The role some of our 50 hormones play are critical to understand. This is hit LolBroScience in the link below that you posted.
jissn.com/content/11/1/7
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GaleHawkins wrote: »bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm
ndj1975 and LolBroScience I expect in the real world you are two young guys showing real potential. If you guys work to gain some current knowledge on dieting and lifting the sky may be the limit. You are going however have to do some real research on lifting, dieting and get to know your hormones that are in fact your best friends or your worse enemy.
Get to know your hormonal states and stop limiting yourselves and making nonsense posts. It works best if one builds some muscle between the ears before dieting and/or lifting. The two of you seem motivated but you MUST start working in an informed way vs. just tilting with old men.
Today one does not have to have earned a terminal degree in the field of science/healthcare to get their minds around the current knowledge base on dieting or most any other subject. Just read the current research.
Until you better develop your BS detecting skills stay away from information coming from anyone selling a book, dieting products, etc because of the huge potential conflict of interest. As I have told you I will not try to mislead you in any way especially since I do hold an OD degree and there is an obligation to the other readers that I do not mislead them.
If you wish to keep sparing with me we can do that. I know very little and many know much more but often time they will not get involved with people who claim to know things that they clearly do not know. Most find uninformed forum bullies distasteful. If you guys will try to stop blowing way people (I am not talking things you type to me) who have a lot to offer myfitnesspal then myfitnesspal will be of even more value to the world than it is today.
You can I am sure become an asset to myfitnesspal vs leading those who may listen to you astray on the most basic of things that may cause them a life time of harm.
On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
The person who is overweight and can only do three push ups we know can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because we have or are doing it currently. The link above is really talking to current body builders not we fat ones that have let our muscles waste away. The role some of our 50 hormones play are critical to understand. This is hit LolBroScience in the link below that you posted.
jissn.com/content/11/1/7
you did not address any of my questions, so I am not going to address any of yours…
basic math says that you can not build something out of nothing.
Will the obese beginner have "newbie gains" yes, but those only last for three months, if that. And if they keep eating in a deficit they will more than likely lose the small bit of muscle that they gained.
this should pretty much cover it for you
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/adding-muscle-while-losing-fat-qa.html/0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm
ndj1975 and LolBroScience I expect in the real world you are two young guys showing real potential. If you guys work to gain some current knowledge on dieting and lifting the sky may be the limit. You are going however have to do some real research on lifting, dieting and get to know your hormones that are in fact your best friends or your worse enemy.
Get to know your hormonal states and stop limiting yourselves and making nonsense posts. It works best if one builds some muscle between the ears before dieting and/or lifting. The two of you seem motivated but you MUST start working in an informed way vs. just tilting with old men.
Today one does not have to have earned a terminal degree in the field of science/healthcare to get their minds around the current knowledge base on dieting or most any other subject. Just read the current research.
Until you better develop your BS detecting skills stay away from information coming from anyone selling a book, dieting products, etc because of the huge potential conflict of interest. As I have told you I will not try to mislead you in any way especially since I do hold an OD degree and there is an obligation to the other readers that I do not mislead them.
If you wish to keep sparing with me we can do that. I know very little and many know much more but often time they will not get involved with people who claim to know things that they clearly do not know. Most find uninformed forum bullies distasteful. If you guys will try to stop blowing way people (I am not talking things you type to me) who have a lot to offer myfitnesspal then myfitnesspal will be of even more value to the world than it is today.
You can I am sure become an asset to myfitnesspal vs leading those who may listen to you astray on the most basic of things that may cause them a life time of harm.
On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
The person who is overweight and can only do three push ups we know can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because we have or are doing it currently. The link above is really talking to current body builders not we fat ones that have let our muscles waste away. The role some of our 50 hormones play are critical to understand. This is hit LolBroScience in the link below that you posted.
jissn.com/content/11/1/7
Probably better off using your BA, Bible, Psychology degree to determine what went wrong with your basic comprehension skills.
Has an OD degree, yet cannot formulate complete thoughts and sentences, or use proper grammar and punctuation. What does an OD degree have to do with hypertrophy or fat loss anyway? Dr. Oz is a doctor, but he's been ripped apart by congress and consumers on false claims he's made. Strong argument there...
You still have yet to actually post any peer reviewed literature, yet claim to base your thoughts on science? A link to a bodybuilding.com article? Really?
I never said it was impossible to create hypertrophy while in a deficit. It is not at all optimal, and for it to occur conditions need to be near perfect. My point (which still stands) is that YOU are not doing it, nor is a woman eating 1400 calories per day.
I have no need to continue SPARRING with you as you're doing a pretty sufficient job of beating yourself up with every successive comment you make.
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OP have you long since abandoned your thread to this forbidden love affair?0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »OP have you long since abandoned your thread to this forbidden love affair?
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libbydoodle11 wrote: »Check back with people that have followed this exact diet for twenty years and see what their health is like then.
We have seen what 40 years of low fat high carb diet has done to the Western World...It isn't good. Obesity is everywhere as is metabolic disease.
Yes and physical activity levels have nothing to do with that? :rollseyes:
If you look at the dietary intake you will see even over the last decade that fat intake has increased along with carbs and to simply blame carbs while ignoring the other makes little sense. You will also see how activity levels declined over the same period.
Who financed the study is irrelevant if the study is designed well and the same goes for size. It's interesting if you have metabolic syndrome perhaps but, I would like to see a longer time frame on each diet to get a better picture.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm
ndj1975 and LolBroScience I expect in the real world you are two young guys showing real potential. If you guys work to gain some current knowledge on dieting and lifting the sky may be the limit. You are going however have to do some real research on lifting, dieting and get to know your hormones that are in fact your best friends or your worse enemy.
Get to know your hormonal states and stop limiting yourselves and making nonsense posts. It works best if one builds some muscle between the ears before dieting and/or lifting. The two of you seem motivated but you MUST start working in an informed way vs. just tilting with old men.
Today one does not have to have earned a terminal degree in the field of science/healthcare to get their minds around the current knowledge base on dieting or most any other subject. Just read the current research.
Until you better develop your BS detecting skills stay away from information coming from anyone selling a book, dieting products, etc because of the huge potential conflict of interest. As I have told you I will not try to mislead you in any way especially since I do hold an OD degree and there is an obligation to the other readers that I do not mislead them.
If you wish to keep sparing with me we can do that. I know very little and many know much more but often time they will not get involved with people who claim to know things that they clearly do not know. Most find uninformed forum bullies distasteful. If you guys will try to stop blowing way people (I am not talking things you type to me) who have a lot to offer myfitnesspal then myfitnesspal will be of even more value to the world than it is today.
You can I am sure become an asset to myfitnesspal vs leading those who may listen to you astray on the most basic of things that may cause them a life time of harm.
On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
The person who is overweight and can only do three push ups we know can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because we have or are doing it currently. The link above is really talking to current body builders not we fat ones that have let our muscles waste away. The role some of our 50 hormones play are critical to understand. This is hit LolBroScience in the link below that you posted.
jissn.com/content/11/1/7
Probably better off using your BA, Bible, Psychology degree to determine what went wrong with your basic comprehension skills.
Has an OD degree, yet cannot formulate complete thoughts and sentences, or use proper grammar and punctuation. What does an OD degree have to do with hypertrophy or fat loss anyway? Dr. Oz is a doctor, but he's been ripped apart by congress and consumers on false claims he's made. Strong argument there...
You still have yet to actually post any peer reviewed literature, yet claim to base your thoughts on science? A link to a bodybuilding.com article? Really?
I never said it was impossible to create hypertrophy while in a deficit. It is not at all optimal, and for it to occur conditions need to be near perfect. My point (which still stands) is that YOU are not doing it, nor is a woman eating 1400 calories per day.
I have no need to continue SPARRING with you as you're doing a pretty sufficient job of beating yourself up with every successive comment you make.
Hey there is hope for you since you are starting to build some researching skills. Maybe now you can move beyond 40 year old dieting knowledge.
You have yet to answer the question but you insist on attacking people. You just don't get it. I feel sorry for those employees of yours in Kentucky.
Don't you just hate it when people steal your MO!
I hear something buzzing but can't make out the words.
I know he's off his invisible forum ban, that he didn't even realize he was on, but I still can't make it out.
Lol - you are funny.
Unlike you I have dialogue with the administrators! Honoring something i have been asked to do maybe an alien concept for you, but not for me (although I thought I would treat myself today)!
So buzz, buzz, buzz!
P.s. thanks for not ignoring me - I was worried I wasn't annoying you anymore.
You're obviously not even aware enough to realize your posts were invisible to the board for days and days. Lol. Who do you think is responsible for that ban disappearing? But it doesn't matter.
Honor that system well I see. Especially since this isn't the first time you've addressed me.
I can't be annoyed by someone that holds no value to me.
You say the sweetest things!
Not sure if you are aware but it wasn't a ban! we were asked to keep each others post invisible on our profiles - something we can add and remove ourselves - or at least it was my end (was your's enforced?).
And when I say were asked - we got PM's at the point it happened and it was explained why, or at least it was to me, sorry if it wasn't explained to you.
But don't worry you were always in my heart the whole time. I'm glad to see you haven't changed, I don't think knowledge, understanding and compassion would be a good look on you anyway!
Also I'm not too sure how to make the posts invisible anymore, which is why I can see yours - if you know let, me know and I'll stick you back on mute (for a while anyway).
So you aren't aware that in the past few weeks you would post, the fact that you posted was visible from the outside of the thread but when you went into the thread it actually wasn't there? Lol. The bans were lifted last Sunday. It was a new feature they have. What you are talking about is when the mods went into our profiles and banned each other from replying to each other. This was different. You just weren't aware. But some of us were. But either way, no need to explain it to you further. It's like talking to a wall that won't listen to facts. Feel free to believe what you want.
I know you keep a real keen track on me (it's cute and makes me feels special). But you were probably aware I haven't been posting on the forums regulary for well over a month and have only just come back the last week or so (I may have missed the ban, but only due to my absence Sorry I wasn't about, you were still in the thoughts though).
I always believe what I want, I think that's why we get on so great, we are so alike!
It's like talking to a wall.
Then just stop talking - or carry on - either way I will give your words the respect and attention they deserve!
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GaleHawkins wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »bodybuilding.com/fun/kelly3.htm
ndj1975 and LolBroScience I expect in the real world you are two young guys showing real potential. If you guys work to gain some current knowledge on dieting and lifting the sky may be the limit. You are going however have to do some real research on lifting, dieting and get to know your hormones that are in fact your best friends or your worse enemy.
Get to know your hormonal states and stop limiting yourselves and making nonsense posts. It works best if one builds some muscle between the ears before dieting and/or lifting. The two of you seem motivated but you MUST start working in an informed way vs. just tilting with old men.
Today one does not have to have earned a terminal degree in the field of science/healthcare to get their minds around the current knowledge base on dieting or most any other subject. Just read the current research.
Until you better develop your BS detecting skills stay away from information coming from anyone selling a book, dieting products, etc because of the huge potential conflict of interest. As I have told you I will not try to mislead you in any way especially since I do hold an OD degree and there is an obligation to the other readers that I do not mislead them.
If you wish to keep sparing with me we can do that. I know very little and many know much more but often time they will not get involved with people who claim to know things that they clearly do not know. Most find uninformed forum bullies distasteful. If you guys will try to stop blowing way people (I am not talking things you type to me) who have a lot to offer myfitnesspal then myfitnesspal will be of even more value to the world than it is today.
You can I am sure become an asset to myfitnesspal vs leading those who may listen to you astray on the most basic of things that may cause them a life time of harm.
On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
The person who is overweight and can only do three push ups we know can lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because we have or are doing it currently. The link above is really talking to current body builders not we fat ones that have let our muscles waste away. The role some of our 50 hormones play are critical to understand. This is hit LolBroScience in the link below that you posted.
jissn.com/content/11/1/7
Probably better off using your BA, Bible, Psychology degree to determine what went wrong with your basic comprehension skills.
Has an OD degree, yet cannot formulate complete thoughts and sentences, or use proper grammar and punctuation. What does an OD degree have to do with hypertrophy or fat loss anyway? Dr. Oz is a doctor, but he's been ripped apart by congress and consumers on false claims he's made. Strong argument there...
You still have yet to actually post any peer reviewed literature, yet claim to base your thoughts on science? A link to a bodybuilding.com article? Really?
I never said it was impossible to create hypertrophy while in a deficit. It is not at all optimal, and for it to occur conditions need to be near perfect. My point (which still stands) is that YOU are not doing it, nor is a woman eating 1400 calories per day.
I have no need to continue SPARRING with you as you're doing a pretty sufficient job of beating yourself up with every successive comment you make.
Hey there is hope for you since you are starting to build some researching skills. Maybe now you can move beyond 40 year old dieting knowledge.
Would you like to coach me and manipulate my strength training and macros? I don't think I would fair well building muscle on a ketogenic caloric deficit, but I do love to take advice from people from people who cannot even implement it themselves.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Is there an ignore button or at least a 'STFU, you complete pillock' diverter on this site?
If there was I wouldn't be reading this!
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shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Volfan22I have seen so many peoples lives improve by removing wheat, starches and sugar. Not just in losing fat weight - but in how they feel and look (skin clears up) - they don't have to carry tums everywhere because heartburn is GONE, diabetics are stable and their numbers are better than they have ever been. I even have my dad starting it because he was diagnosed with melanoma in 2 spots and I have read about the benefits of ketones and cancer. No results for him yet - but I have faith for sure!
I have been one of those constant heart burn kind of people. I have noticed in the couple of days I have been going lower and low carb my indigestion is gone. Just that is enough to give me incentive to stay on the low carb. I was on Atkins about 40 years ago for about 10 years. I did well and not really sure why I drifted off. Well I am back. need to loose weight so badly.
Chris
Honestly losing weight is just a side effect for me - I knew I needed to drop weight - BUT - I felt like absolute garbage when I ate wheat/sugar. Once I got past the detox phase (for me it was about week 3 and lasted about 4 days) - I was AMAZED at how wonderful I felt. Bloat, heartburn, sluggishness - GONE - I had a great amount of energy and just felt so much better. And now, 6 months later - even after the holiday (which I made my own Ketofied versions of food and cooked "the other stuff" for the family) - I know I can make this work for me.
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shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?0 -
You do realize that people who are overweight have much more muscle mass than people who are "normal" weight or underweight because it takes muscle to carry around tons of weight.GaleHawkins wrote: »On the subject of building muscle and losing fat at the same time I know it is not easy but many of us have. Clearly this is more easy for those of us who are both really overweight and have lost muscle muscle mass like most who come to myfitnesspal. If you have 10% body fat and muscles that win regularly in contests this is not going to work so well for you.
Someone who is 350lb and 50% bf has 175lbs of lean body mass. Someone who is 170lbs and 9% bf has 155lbs of lean muscle mass.
The point of a progressive resistance program is to limit how much muscle you lose while you eat at a deficit; when you're at a deficit, you are using your stored energy sources to fuel your body. To help skew the ratio of lost fat to muscle towards fat, you need progressive resistance and an adequate protein intake (although studies have shown that resistance activity is far more effective than protein intake).
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shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.0 -
rprussell2004 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »rprussell2004 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »What is considered LCHF? When I was logging here, I was always over on fat and under on carbs, but I've never really considered my eating habits high or low anything.
Depends on how strict you're being. In essence, it's "as few carbs as you can get away with" and then sub fats in for them.
I'm following the 'keto' diet, so I try to keep below 15g per day, but generally end up around 30. Fiber "doesn't count."
I would also ask, is the point to enter ketosis at ALL? Because that affects the answer - if you're just cutting them because of BECAUSE, then maybe under 100 or so?
Alas, I'm a bit of an extremist, might be worth googling.
Holy crap! 15g of carbs per day?!?
No, that is not for me. I can't imagine how I could eat vegetables and keep carbs that low.
Yeahbut - "fiber doesn't count."
I'm a HUGE fan of kale, kelp, spinach, zucchini, peapods, cukes, artichokes - basically anything that grows aboveground, and in moderation
I'm not knocking your diet. If it's working for you that's great. I'm just saying it's not for me. I eat about 10 times that amount of carbs most days.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Thank you sunshine!0
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