Good news for people who like eating fat!
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shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
I have no problem with stevia, but processed is processed, and it doesn't make it bad. You can take a liquid, dry it out and powder the results (essentially shake) and end up with granules. That doesn't make it any different than what you're eating. And what you're eating has gone through a machine.
Neither is bad, neither is good; it just is.0 -
To be fair, though - generally any sweetener in granule form has binders like maltodextrin, which adds a carb per serving.
The liquid versions don't require binders, so you end up with a carb free version.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Thank you sunshine!
I'm glad you addressed the point that your spouting mom-science.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Thank you sunshine!
I'm glad you addressed the point that your spouting mom-science.
Oh you had a point? I just thought you were being a smart *kitten*. Here's a site you can go to - it will help you better understand the science.
http://steviauniversity.com/health-benefits-of-stevia/diabetes-and-obesity
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Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).0 -
Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.0 -
Something tells me we have a lot of experts here. I want to go on record right now - I am no expert - I am sharing MY EXPERIENCE and products I have used to succeed in eating the ketogenic way. There - now you have my disclosure, can we please move on?0
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Steviauniversity. Brilliant. Do you know what the naturalistic fallacy is?
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shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Thank you sunshine!
I'm glad you addressed the point that your spouting mom-science.
Oh you had a point? I just thought you were being a smart *kitten*. Here's a site you can go to - it will help you better understand the science.
http://steviauniversity.com/health-benefits-of-stevia/diabetes-and-obesity
Not the best source of unbiased information eh?0 -
Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
Where was is said that processed stuff is bad?0 -
Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
You said^
And you called it processed, implying that your liquid is not. It is processed, and processed is often associated with bad. Why not just say, avoid the powder because extra binders are added (although if the body can't process maltodextrin, I'm not sure why it wouldn't "work" for the ketogenic diet).0 -
You didn't someone else did; I was talking to them.Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
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Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
Where was is said that processed stuff is bad?
I wouldn't worry about it. It looks like they are interested in dressing a lot of strawmen so they can binge on fallacy this morning.0 -
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Diabetes CANNOT be cured. Once you are a diabetic, you are a diabetic for life.
This seems to be a semantic convention rather than a fact. If Dr A gets a patient to normal levels of blood sugar (fasting and HbA1c) would Dr B diagnose them as diabetic ?
Newcaslte University seem to think it's reversible "Our work has shown that type 2 diabetes is not inevitably progressive and life-long. We have demonstrated that in people who have had type 2 diabetes for 4 years or less, major weight loss returns insulin secretion to normal."0 -
Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
well yea, if you are going for an insanely low amount of carbs I guess that makes sense..
but for the rest of us non-ketoers it does not matter...0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!0 -
Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
If you buy non-processed stevia, does that mean you just eat the leaves... or are you using processed and refined stevia?
You can grow your own plant and use the leaves if you wish. The sweet drops are an extract from the leaf. I don't use the granules (one could - they are refined though) - just depends on what you prefer.
You're committing the naturalistic fallacy.
Do you know what else is natural and nicely almond scented? Cyanide.
Also--and I understand it's far more dangerous than cyanide--white sugar!
White sugar? As in that crystalized stuff you are normally handed if you say "Please pass the sugar"? That stuff is not natural.-1 -
If an extract can be, so can processed sugar. The source is still a plant.0
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Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
It's not something you said, someone else said it.
Also, I feel like this thread is eating posts as I have tons of notifications of posts but I can't see them...shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
As for when it was said processed was bad, see the above. It implies that you shouldn't get the powder just because it's "processed". Both are processed because you aren't chewing on the leaves directly. If you are recommending against the powders because they add binders, just say that (although if your body can't process it, I'm not sure how it would inhibit a ketogenic diet).
Nevermind that this thread and the original article isn't keto-specific. It's just about how higher fats in general might be a good idea versus the typical higher carb.0 -
shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
also- just to be a purist
baking is a science- if you start tampering with the ingredients it's going to impact the outcome tremendously- it's why people make depressingly sad paleo "desserts" trying to sub out ingredients that shouldn't be messed with in a science procedure.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »If an extract can be, so can processed sugar. The source is still a plant.
Get a dictionary and look up the definition of the word 'natural'.-1 -
Um, do you get that it was a joke based on the claim that an extract from stevia is "natural" but sugar is not?0
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BEERRUNNER wrote: »Does this mean that its all good to go to lunch @ LONG JOHN SILVERS today and let it ride???
If you can get your chicken and fish planks with a low-carb breading and have them cooked in non-hydrogenated fat like beef tallow or coconut oil instead of the partially hydrogenated and full hydrogenated shortening blends they use then yes, have LJSilvers every day.
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From fat to the old processed argument...
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Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
It's not something you said, someone else said it.
Also, I feel like this thread is eating posts as I have tons of notifications of posts but I can't see them...shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
As for when it was said processed was bad, see the above. It implies that you shouldn't get the powder just because it's "processed". Both are processed because you aren't chewing on the leaves directly. If you are recommending against the powders because they add binders, just say that (although if your body can't process it, I'm not sure how it would inhibit a ketogenic diet).
Nevermind that this thread and the original article isn't keto-specific. It's just about how higher fats in general might be a good idea versus the typical higher carb.
The reason I stated the "Pure" stevia is because you can get "stevia-like" products at lower food chain stores. They are not in it's purest form (as is the case with the product I shared the link to.) In every keto site I follow they all recommend the drops instead of the granules. Do you have to take everything and twist it? I'm not trying to be malicious or state untruths. I'm telling someone what I did and what I experienced. I was asked a question about stevia and I answered it and then I get attacked about something being "pure" vs. "processed." I'm sure the extract goes through a process, doesn't mean it's not 100% pure stevia. Sweet Jesus!0 -
have these products been blessed with holy water by an ordained pope?0
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Oy vey, people.
The liquid version isn't better because it's "more natural" - it's better for a keto diet because it doesn't have *binders*. Thus, it doesn't add to your carb count for the day, since your body isn't processing any maltodextrin (starch).
Then say that as opposed to saying the "processed stuff is bad"? That's the issue.
I never said processed stuff is bad. I'm attacking both sides of this inane debate. And in this case, the processed stuff isn't good, because it means starch has been added to create a granular form, which adds to a keto-ers daily carb count. So in this case, the non-processed stuff is "better" for the particular goal of said dieter.
Does it imbue processed stuff with inherent badness? Absolutely not.
Does it make the processed stuff the worse alternative when trying to limit carb intake? Absolutely.
It's not something you said, someone else said it.
Also, I feel like this thread is eating posts as I have tons of notifications of posts but I can't see them...shadesofidaho wrote: »Thank you - that's great information! I'll hold off for now - I'm still about 30-35% bg - I have about 35 more lbs to lose before I make any changes. I do know this - I will not go back to eating sugar/wheat. Stevia and Almond flour are my new best friends!
Volfan 22. You are using Stevia. You do not think that is a problem to raise insulin resistance? Please say NO. I am so missing my sweet.
Oh and your photos are fantastic. Way to go.
Thank you Chris
Chris - NO! Stevia is natural - BUT (ah, the caveat) - make sure you're using the pure stevia - not the processed stuff. I get mine at the local health food store. The drops are best (IMO). They are stable enough to bake with - I made an awesome white chocolate macadamia nut creme pie for Thanksgiving - IT WAS PHENOMENAL! (and it was 9 carbs). And thank you8! It's hard to stay the course sometimes, but having a plan and executing it has been my success for losing fat.
http://sweetleaf.com/stevia-products/
As for when it was said processed was bad, see the above. It implies that you shouldn't get the powder just because it's "processed". Both are processed because you aren't chewing on the leaves directly. If you are recommending against the powders because they add binders, just say that (although if your body can't process it, I'm not sure how it would inhibit a ketogenic diet).
Nevermind that this thread and the original article isn't keto-specific. It's just about how higher fats in general might be a good idea versus the typical higher carb.
The reason I stated the "Pure" stevia is because you can get "stevia-like" products at lower food chain stores. They are not in it's purest form (as is the case with the product I shared the link to.) In every keto site I follow they all recommend the drops instead of the granules. Do you have to take everything and twist it? I'm not trying to be malicious or state untruths. I'm telling someone what I did and what I experienced. I was asked a question about stevia and I answered it and then I get attacked about something being "pure" vs. "processed." I'm sure the extract goes through a process, doesn't mean it's not 100% pure stevia. Sweet Jesus!
Then don't say to avoid something because it's processed?0
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