I need clean eating motivation and friends!
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jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
What did her first post mean then? Give it to me in your words.0 -
Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself
We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...0 -
debrakgoogins wrote: »Clean eating / healthy eating, as I define it, is having high food quality standards and an absence of artificial food additives that exist primarily to prolong the shelf life of the food or make it taste/smell/feel/appear more like food “should be” (as determined by corporate marketing executives). No, this doesn't mean that I don’t consume preservatives, I eat a lot of them, and no, it doesn't mean that I exclusively eat clean, I don’t have the time or discipline required to do that even 60-70% of the time.
I’m not sure why this would offend anyone – it is my body, I will fuel it as I see fit. If your standards are different, great, eat the way you want – if you feel that you are being “judged”, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your standards.
YES! THIS. Thank you.
Except the premise of the thread is that people are openly and actively judging and commenting on the forums when you, well, fail to exclusively eat clean. That doesn't seem very helpful.
Do you think that's a good approach?0 -
Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...
Pssst, she doesn't eat clean either....it's a strange ordeal.
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Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...
Pssst, she doesn't eat clean either....it's a strange ordeal.
ohhhh realllllyyyy???? lol0 -
What I find funny is the OP and the other "clean" eaters in here who think it's fine to judge other people's honesty in logging, don't have their diaries open.0
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Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...
Pssst, she doesn't eat clean either....it's a strange ordeal.
ohhhh realllllyyyy???? lol
Yep, you missed that whole section of the thread. Her diary was open, but when I called her out because her diary was far from clean, she closed it.
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jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
Sorry love but you are wrong... She said, "Does anyone do it "right?"
Obviously, the question, "what do you consider right?" was a request for clarification...
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what the clean eating zealots will never understand is that hitting your macro/micro/calorie targets is what matters, not individual food type. You can eat pizza, ice cream, cookies, etc, within the context of an overall diet and you will lose weight/gain weight/hit body recomp goals, lose body fat %, etc...0
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Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...
Pssst, she doesn't eat clean either....it's a strange ordeal.
I see that now....
pina coladas are clean???0 -
Only if they are Mexican.Lezavargas wrote: »Open invitation to anyone looking for some tasty recipes and snacking ideas! Clean eating Is a challenging undertaking with the volumes of processed foods out there! We dont expect perfection! Ridding yourself of processed food is a process in and of itself We all need all the support we can get and god knows you dont get it on these forums!!
an open invitation to a useless concept ...
good luck self torturing yourselves into eating clean ...
Pssst, she doesn't eat clean either....it's a strange ordeal.
I see that now....
pina coladas are clean???
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I’m not sure why this would offend anyone – it is my body, I will fuel it as I see fit. If your standards are different, great, eat the way you want – if you feel that you are being “judged”, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your standards.
No one is saying that what some individual does affects them. The assertion (ironically by someone--not the OP--who does not even eat according to her own standards) is that those who eat "clean" can judge those who do not. I have certain standards of my own that I try to follow (largely having to do with mostly cooking from whole foods and eating lots of vegetables and other nutrient dense foods, so hardly all that different), and sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not. I've had friends who were on the same page on some of those, and we encouraged each other, and that's great. But "clean" eating is a murky thing and what you think is healthy (no processed or some such) might not be what I think is healthy, such that your deciding that it was sensible to criticize my diary or comment on it to others because I eat, for just one example, store-bought yogurt (plain Fage, which meets my personal standards, but is obviously "processed," etc.) would annoy me, since FOR ME that's not a slip up, but something I choose to do based on what I think is healthy. Similarly, being criticized for eating red meat, because someone else thinks that's bad for me or potatoes (same) or wheat or too many carbs or whatever it is, up to and including ice cream and chocolate, which I usually choose to include in my diet, would not be especially helpful. The point is that there can be valid, reasonable differences in what makes for a healthful diet. The idea that eating "clean" (especially when that has no meaning and seems not to be actually complied with) means you have higher standards is false.
Another, related point is that people may not find it helpful at all to have their diet commented on and may believe at this point in time that focusing too much on whole foods or the like isn't helpful for them or simply that being honest and seeing how they are eating and cutting calories is the absolute priority. Being judged and commented on by people who are supposed to be their friends doesn't help with this.
The world is riddled with murky terms that differ according to individuality – justice, honesty, love, persistence, success, honor, patriotism, loyalty, etc., don’t have universal meanings in functional terms (beyond the dictionary). Should we all stop using words that mean something a little different to everyone? Of course not.
Having standards that you can’t meet is great, as long as you are the kind of person who doesn't get discouraged by failing. I don’t. I have a ton of standards that I fall short of in fitness, at work, with my family, etc, because in some cases, my standards are impossibly high. If you have a standard that you consistently meet every single time, guess what – you can do better, raise it a little and try to improve. I fall well short of eating clean – that doesn't render the concept as meaningless, on the contrary, it motivates me to keep trying.
I am always looking for friends that put a different spin on things – reading your diary and that you eat pizza, donuts, and Big Macs all the time is not instructive to me, I know how to do that and log it, there is nothing for me to learn. If you make interesting recipes that improve upon traditional ones, if you replace processed stuff with unprocessed stuff, if you order certain things off of a menu that are better for you (as determined by my standards), that is useful to me. I am guessing that is what OP wants for friends.
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I am always looking for friends that put a different spin on things – reading your diary and that you eat pizza, donuts, and Big Macs all the time is not instructive to me, I know how to do that and log it, there is nothing for me to learn. If you make interesting recipes that improve upon traditional ones, if you replace processed stuff with unprocessed stuff, if you order certain things off of a menu that are better for you (as determined by my standards), that is useful to me. I am guessing that is what OP wants for friends.
The main issue that many of those who responded have with OP isn't so much that she's looking for likeminded friends, but rather, two things: 1. That she's criticizing her friends who choose to eat food she doesn't herself choose and 2. The use of the phrase, "Does anyone do it'"right?'". She is basically insinuating that anyone who chooses to not follow the same path she does, is wrong.
I have absolutely no problem with whether or not someone chooses to eat "clean". Furthermore, I have no problem with people who add in the occasional large bacon-wrapped, stuffed crust pizza for breakfast. You do you, honey.
My issue arises when I, or anyone else, is made to feel like there is something wrong with them for their differing food choices. And that is precisely what happened with this first post.
Furthermore, the issue that OP is making a comment about her friends is insulting. Why even bother to have that person as a friend if you feel it necessary to make disparaging remarks about their diet? Simply unfriend them or keep the comments to yourself. Or just have like-minded people on your friends list. It's not that tough.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I’m not sure why this would offend anyone – it is my body, I will fuel it as I see fit. If your standards are different, great, eat the way you want – if you feel that you are being “judged”, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your standards.
No one is saying that what some individual does affects them. The assertion (ironically by someone--not the OP--who does not even eat according to her own standards) is that those who eat "clean" can judge those who do not. I have certain standards of my own that I try to follow (largely having to do with mostly cooking from whole foods and eating lots of vegetables and other nutrient dense foods, so hardly all that different), and sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not. I've had friends who were on the same page on some of those, and we encouraged each other, and that's great. But "clean" eating is a murky thing and what you think is healthy (no processed or some such) might not be what I think is healthy, such that your deciding that it was sensible to criticize my diary or comment on it to others because I eat, for just one example, store-bought yogurt (plain Fage, which meets my personal standards, but is obviously "processed," etc.) would annoy me, since FOR ME that's not a slip up, but something I choose to do based on what I think is healthy. Similarly, being criticized for eating red meat, because someone else thinks that's bad for me or potatoes (same) or wheat or too many carbs or whatever it is, up to and including ice cream and chocolate, which I usually choose to include in my diet, would not be especially helpful. The point is that there can be valid, reasonable differences in what makes for a healthful diet. The idea that eating "clean" (especially when that has no meaning and seems not to be actually complied with) means you have higher standards is false.
Another, related point is that people may not find it helpful at all to have their diet commented on and may believe at this point in time that focusing too much on whole foods or the like isn't helpful for them or simply that being honest and seeing how they are eating and cutting calories is the absolute priority. Being judged and commented on by people who are supposed to be their friends doesn't help with this.
The world is riddled with murky terms that differ according to individuality – justice, honesty, love, persistence, success, honor, patriotism, loyalty, etc., don’t have universal meanings in functional terms (beyond the dictionary). Should we all stop using words that mean something a little different to everyone? Of course not.
Having standards that you can’t meet is great, as long as you are the kind of person who doesn't get discouraged by failing. I don’t. I have a ton of standards that I fall short of in fitness, at work, with my family, etc, because in some cases, my standards are impossibly high. If you have a standard that you consistently meet every single time, guess what – you can do better, raise it a little and try to improve. I fall well short of eating clean – that doesn't render the concept as meaningless, on the contrary, it motivates me to keep trying.
I am always looking for friends that put a different spin on things – reading your diary and that you eat pizza, donuts, and Big Macs all the time is not instructive to me, I know how to do that and log it, there is nothing for me to learn. If you make interesting recipes that improve upon traditional ones, if you replace processed stuff with unprocessed stuff, if you order certain things off of a menu that are better for you (as determined by my standards), that is useful to me. I am guessing that is what OP wants for friends.
So if you need to get ideas and ways to improve from your friend's diaries, that is who you friend. You don't friend someone, judge that they aren't eating up to your standards, and ridicule them in a thread for that. Delete them, don't judge them for not living up to your standards of how to do this right.
My diary is for me, it's my place to be brutally honest with myself. Some days are good, some not so good, some just out and out horrendous. But, luckily I don't have to worry about my friend's judging me for what I put there.
My other question is how you check all these "clean" eating diaries since from what I've seen 80% of those saying they eat clean keep them private.0 -
jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
Sorry love but you are wrong... She said, "Does anyone do it "right?"
Obviously, the question, "what do you consider right?" was a request for clarification...
I love how some people came in to white knight the OP declaring how everyone is being ridiculous in their comments because the OP is "simply looking for friends" when the comments/issue have nothing about her choice to eat clean (which she doesn't) or for her search for fellow "clean eaters", but rather of her statements declaring it's the only right way while bashing the people already on her FL because they chose to eat something "not clean."
So I guess it's totally okay to be judgey (and to announce it to everyone on the site) and put down someone that you are supposed to be supporting but not okay for people to comment on that (in a public forum no less) because she eats clean (but not really) and is just looking for support (which I'm not surprised she doesn't have if that's how she treats people who make different choices than her or might have had an off day).0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
Sorry love but you are wrong... She said, "Does anyone do it "right?"
Obviously, the question, "what do you consider right?" was a request for clarification...
I love how some people came in to white knight the OP declaring how everyone is being ridiculous in their comments because the OP is "simply looking for friends" when the comments/issue have nothing about her choice to eat clean (which she doesn't) or for her search for fellow "clean eaters", but rather of her statements declaring it's the only right way while bashing the people already on her FL because they chose to eat something "not clean."
So I guess it's totally okay to be judgey (and to announce it to everyone on the site) and put down someone that you are supposed to be supporting but not okay for people to comment on that (in a public forum no less) because she eats clean (but not really) and is just looking for support (which I'm not surprised she doesn't have if that's how she treats people who make different choices than her or might have had an off day).
I just don't get the labels. It seems silly to me to have to label something right, or clean etc... " I eat "clean" 70% of the time with the occasional "cheat."" Is it just me or does that sound like moderation? Maybe the "clean eaters" are insecure and giving their diets a label or identity makes them feel better about themselves. To each his own...
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I’m not sure why this would offend anyone – it is my body, I will fuel it as I see fit. If your standards are different, great, eat the way you want – if you feel that you are being “judged”, perhaps it is time to reevaluate your standards.
No one is saying that what some individual does affects them. The assertion (ironically by someone--not the OP--who does not even eat according to her own standards) is that those who eat "clean" can judge those who do not. I have certain standards of my own that I try to follow (largely having to do with mostly cooking from whole foods and eating lots of vegetables and other nutrient dense foods, so hardly all that different), and sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not. I've had friends who were on the same page on some of those, and we encouraged each other, and that's great. But "clean" eating is a murky thing and what you think is healthy (no processed or some such) might not be what I think is healthy, such that your deciding that it was sensible to criticize my diary or comment on it to others because I eat, for just one example, store-bought yogurt (plain Fage, which meets my personal standards, but is obviously "processed," etc.) would annoy me, since FOR ME that's not a slip up, but something I choose to do based on what I think is healthy. Similarly, being criticized for eating red meat, because someone else thinks that's bad for me or potatoes (same) or wheat or too many carbs or whatever it is, up to and including ice cream and chocolate, which I usually choose to include in my diet, would not be especially helpful. The point is that there can be valid, reasonable differences in what makes for a healthful diet. The idea that eating "clean" (especially when that has no meaning and seems not to be actually complied with) means you have higher standards is false.
Another, related point is that people may not find it helpful at all to have their diet commented on and may believe at this point in time that focusing too much on whole foods or the like isn't helpful for them or simply that being honest and seeing how they are eating and cutting calories is the absolute priority. Being judged and commented on by people who are supposed to be their friends doesn't help with this.
The world is riddled with murky terms that differ according to individuality – justice, honesty, love, persistence, success, honor, patriotism, loyalty, etc., don’t have universal meanings in functional terms (beyond the dictionary). Should we all stop using words that mean something a little different to everyone? Of course not.
Having standards that you can’t meet is great, as long as you are the kind of person who doesn't get discouraged by failing. I don’t. I have a ton of standards that I fall short of in fitness, at work, with my family, etc, because in some cases, my standards are impossibly high. If you have a standard that you consistently meet every single time, guess what – you can do better, raise it a little and try to improve. I fall well short of eating clean – that doesn't render the concept as meaningless, on the contrary, it motivates me to keep trying.
I am always looking for friends that put a different spin on things – reading your diary and that you eat pizza, donuts, and Big Macs all the time is not instructive to me, I know how to do that and log it, there is nothing for me to learn. If you make interesting recipes that improve upon traditional ones, if you replace processed stuff with unprocessed stuff, if you order certain things off of a menu that are better for you (as determined by my standards), that is useful to me. I am guessing that is what OP wants for friends.
You failed to reply to any of the points that I made.
It's not just that "eating clean" is murky, but that reasonable people can differ on what "eating healthy" means. Maybe for you or OP it shouldn't include plain store-bought Greek yogurt or smoked salmon or chocolate because "processed" or sugar. Maybe for someone else it shouldn't include red meat or potatoes because saturated fat or "white foods" or some nonsense. On what basis is it reasonable for OP to judge me (as her hypothetical friend) for eating in such a way or to presume--since I said I was trying to eat in a healthful way--that I should be rebuked for having a steak or whatever?
Fact is, sometimes I do fail to meet my own standards (because that's life) and I'm not sure why it's supposed to be helpful to have someone shaking her finger at me and saying "no veggies at lunch today, very bad" when I am probably already aware of that more than anyone and perhaps my bigger struggle is logging honestly or not beating myself up over dumb things. But OP seems to be going beyond that and wanting to impose some unidentified standards that I may not even want to meet--personally, I think believing that potatoes are bad for you because "white" or "carbs" or "GI" or whatever or that greek yogurt is bad because "processed" or some such is wrong and that these foods are good for me. It's fine that people differ--I never tell people they should add potatoes to their diets although in the forums I might challenge claims that they are "bad"--but here OP is saying she's judging her friends on things like this. That's not a very appealing invitation. And finding it unappealing doesn't mean that I think my standards are lower than hers or yours or any other self-proclaimed "clean eater." That's ridiculous.
You have made a lot of assumptions about what OP is looking for that's not supported by her post (but could have been easily requested). Also, it's quite obvious to me that she's succeeded in making wary plenty of people who probably fit the category that you suggest she's looking for.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
Sorry love but you are wrong... She said, "Does anyone do it "right?"
Obviously, the question, "what do you consider right?" was a request for clarification...
I love how some people came in to white knight the OP declaring how everyone is being ridiculous in their comments because the OP is "simply looking for friends" when the comments/issue have nothing about her choice to eat clean (which she doesn't) or for her search for fellow "clean eaters", but rather of her statements declaring it's the only right way while bashing the people already on her FL because they chose to eat something "not clean."
So I guess it's totally okay to be judgey (and to announce it to everyone on the site) and put down someone that you are supposed to be supporting but not okay for people to comment on that (in a public forum no less) because she eats clean (but not really) and is just looking for support (which I'm not surprised she doesn't have if that's how she treats people who make different choices than her or might have had an off day).
I just don't get the labels. It seems silly to me to have to label something right, or clean etc... " I eat "clean" 70% of the time with the occasional "cheat."" Is it just me or does that sound like moderation? Maybe the "clean eaters" are insecure and giving their diets a label or identity makes them feel better about themselves. To each his own...
I don't get it either.0 -
PikaKnight wrote: »jennismagic wrote: »
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't get so offended?jennismagic wrote: »GiveMeCoffee wrote: »Who are you to judge if they are doing it right?
What exactly is doing it right?
Can't we have one thread where someone doesn't pick a fight with the OP?
It's asking her to clarify, hardly picking a fight.
Exactly... She made a statement and that statement needed clarification.
It didn't. What she was saying was quite clear.
Sorry love but you are wrong... She said, "Does anyone do it "right?"
Obviously, the question, "what do you consider right?" was a request for clarification...
I love how some people came in to white knight the OP declaring how everyone is being ridiculous in their comments because the OP is "simply looking for friends" when the comments/issue have nothing about her choice to eat clean (which she doesn't) or for her search for fellow "clean eaters", but rather of her statements declaring it's the only right way while bashing the people already on her FL because they chose to eat something "not clean."
So I guess it's totally okay to be judgey (and to announce it to everyone on the site) and put down someone that you are supposed to be supporting but not okay for people to comment on that (in a public forum no less) because she eats clean (but not really) and is just looking for support (which I'm not surprised she doesn't have if that's how she treats people who make different choices than her or might have had an off day).
I just don't get the labels. It seems silly to me to have to label something right, or clean etc... " I eat "clean" 70% of the time with the occasional "cheat."" Is it just me or does that sound like moderation? Maybe the "clean eaters" are insecure and giving their diets a label or identity makes them feel better about themselves. To each his own...
IDK ..
I just eat the foods I like and fit them into my calorie/micro/macro targets...
I guess people need to demonize food as "bad" because they need crutch for why they become obese, and they then need a reason to get into a calorie deficit, so if you demonize said food as "bad" you avoid it and it is easier to get into a deficit...just a guess on my part...0 -
I tried clean eating it was after I binged and I told myself I was just gonna drink water, eat fruits and veggies and nuts......that lasted about a day. But good luck!0
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