Does the term "cutting" bother you?
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emily_stew wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
Do you actually think the term cutting (in relation to cutting calories/weight) is unique to MFP?
No, but...
But is it a problem to talk about here?
Problem? No. Ridiculous and a conversation without a real point? Yes.
There is a point. It's real. Go back to page one.
I just did and skimmed the replies again. You might want to do the same, because everyone has said either "no" or "maybe a little until I understood what the term meant."
Skimming is not reading.
Not everyone was in agreement.
Dismissing the maybes dismisses the point because the until part is problematic. There's a window of time for misinterpretation of the term with self harm. The whole reason for this post is identifying that possible and questioning if the term can be improved. If it can be improved, why don't we?
Saying you don't possible see how it's a problem doesn't make it not a problem. That's a logical fallacy.
Because we don't care.
You care a little. Enough to spend time commenting, at least.
Only that I find it amusing that this bothers you. Because it's really a stupid thing. And I find stupid things amusing.
I don't care that it bothers you though.
Not even a little bit.
And I'm not going to stop calling it cutting. In fact, I may start saying it more often now. So I can counteract whatever nonsense you're trying to start.
Hey, do whatever. I'm not your momma. But if you do increase the amount of time you use the term cutting solely to counteract my thought, then you do, in fact, care about my thoughts.0 -
Here is just a JIF...
BTW, hasn't this cutting thing been hashed to death already..
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WalkingAlong wrote: »
You don't see it much in mainly-women diet communities.PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
LOL at thinking cutting is only used on MFP. It's a common term in many fitness minded communities, especially in those that encourage or have knowledge/experience in bodybuilding and strength training.
I don't think it's used ONLY on MFP. I used MFP because that's where we currently are. I guess I could have said the fitness/health/dieting/nutrition/etc community's at large. But MFP is only three letters.
I think it gained usage because men find that 'dieting' sounds vain and feminine. But 'CUTTING'... sounds a little violent, vaguely cool, like maybe you'll wind up looking 'cut' someday.
So, yeah, it's mildly eye roll-worthy, to me.
Have you gone over to the bodybuilding website? Because the women there use cutting to mean losing body fat. Do those women not count?
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emily_stew wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
Do you actually think the term cutting (in relation to cutting calories/weight) is unique to MFP?
No, but...
But is it a problem to talk about here?
Problem? No. Ridiculous and a conversation without a real point? Yes.
There is a point. It's real. Go back to page one.
I just did and skimmed the replies again. You might want to do the same, because everyone has said either "no" or "maybe a little until I understood what the term meant."
Skimming is not reading.
Not everyone was in agreement.
Dismissing the maybes dismisses the point because the until part is problematic. There's a window of time for misinterpretation of the term with self harm. The whole reason for this post is identifying that possible and questioning if the term can be improved. If it can be improved, why don't we?
Saying you don't possible see how it's a problem doesn't make it not a problem. That's a logical fallacy.
Because we don't care.
You care a little. Enough to spend time commenting, at least.
Only that I find it amusing that this bothers you. Because it's really a stupid thing. And I find stupid things amusing.
I don't care that it bothers you though.
Not even a little bit.
And I'm not going to stop calling it cutting. In fact, I may start saying it more often now. So I can counteract whatever nonsense you're trying to start.
Hey, do whatever. I'm not your momma. But if you do increase the amount of time you use the term cutting solely to counteract my thought, then you do, in fact, care about my thoughts.
Okay then.
I'm going to go ahead and cut out of here.0 -
If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.0
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THE bodybuilding website? Is there just one? LOL.WalkingAlong wrote: »
You don't see it much in mainly-women diet communities.PikaKnight wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »
Mildly. If you were talking to someone, maybe a stranger or loose acquaintance, and you say, "I'm cutting again." What does that person think you're doing again? What someone says that you should start cutting? The meaning is derived solely by context, because the word cut it used so vaguely. Wouldn't a word that specifically means to cut calories be useful? That's all I'm saying.
Except I've found a lot of people don't just randomly talk about cuts and bulks with strangers or random acquaintances, and usually talk in those terms with people that they know who share the same interest in that regard.
Maybe because using those terms with people outside of the MFP community would not understand or misinterpret the meaning? So now imagine the new people on the forums. Unfamiliar with community's assumed meaning they too could misinterpret the meaning. And if the meaning is self harm, you don't see a problem? If say a person is overweight, depressed, and looking for help to lose weight and then they see people using the term cutting, you're telling me you can't possibly see how that could be a problem? Or at the very least uninviting to the community?
LOL at thinking cutting is only used on MFP. It's a common term in many fitness minded communities, especially in those that encourage or have knowledge/experience in bodybuilding and strength training.
I don't think it's used ONLY on MFP. I used MFP because that's where we currently are. I guess I could have said the fitness/health/dieting/nutrition/etc community's at large. But MFP is only three letters.
I think it gained usage because men find that 'dieting' sounds vain and feminine. But 'CUTTING'... sounds a little violent, vaguely cool, like maybe you'll wind up looking 'cut' someday.
So, yeah, it's mildly eye roll-worthy, to me.
Have you gone over to the bodybuilding website? Because the women there use cutting to mean losing body fat. Do those women not count?
No, those women "don't count" in the sense that I wasn't referring to EVERY diet web site with mainly women. Of course bodybuilding women use the term. It's part of the vernacular. It doesn't mean it didn't start because dudes preferred it to the verb their girlfriends and mothers use.
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SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
So you're not a fan of Lex and Terry?0 -
SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
So you're not a fan of Lex and Terry?
That reference was so over my head I had to run to the Google machine to help.0 -
See that 4th puppy from the left.....?????? It's saying, ' No, no, no, no....''' You watch it.0
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emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
Moist
LOL. Now I want to go watch Dr. Horrible0 -
emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
Moist
Out before the inevitable meme.0 -
"Cutting" also has some negative associations. Every time I read a post which uses "cutting" I immediately think the person is suicidal. Maybe it's just me?
Wouldn't something like "curbing" or "trimming" or "thinning" be just as good?
Also, FWIW and because sometimes I like to be a fun sponge who is just AWESOME at parties, people who cut - generally - are not suicidal; however, suicide can be a nasty little side effect when a someone who self harms cuts too deep, etc.
Now here's a gif of a basset hound to make things better:
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3dogsrunning wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
Moist
Out before the inevitable meme.
Get back here young lady!
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emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
Moist
Ugh.
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Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.0
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emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »emily_stew wrote: »SconnieCat wrote: »If we're talking about words people don't want to use anymore for one reason or another...can we also throw the word "panties" in the ring? That word is my trigger.
Moist
Ugh.
Flaccid. Another unpleasant word, for many reasons
Pustular
Oh I actually quite like "pustular". I need to use that more in my day-to-day interactions with people. Don't ask me how... probably it will be in describing my commute into work in the mornings. Or my exes. Or something.0 -
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Think we all cut to the quick now,,,,,,0
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lets be honest - we know what cutting means...........and the OP has had fun with us and no doubt is laughing *kitten* off that we even wasted time debating issue. Kudos to him. More fool us,0
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Awkward word "Ornery"..0
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lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
That's all I'm saying. *tears up*
*tear like crying, welling up, not like cutting, rippingemily_stew wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
No it wasn't completely ridiculous. But the idea of term policing and creating a new word so it doesn't set anyone off is where the absurdity comes into play.
People come up with new words all the time. Every year new words are added the dictionary. That's not absurd. At some point "bestie" wasn't a word, now it is. Why can't there be a word dedicated to describing losing weight by eating at a deficit? Or more than one so there's synonyms to describe it with different emphapses?
http://public.oed.com/the-oed-today/recent-updates-to-the-oed/march-2014-update/new-words-list-march-2014/0 -
lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
That's all I'm saying. *tears up*
*tear like crying, welling up, not like cutting, rippingemily_stew wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Y'know, I kinda understand where OP is coming from. Sure, the word "cutting" has many different meanings depending on the context, but rarely do you use it as a solo verb. When you now the lawn, you don't say, "I'm going cutting," and you don't say "Oh, I'm just cutting" when you're trying to reduce your expenses. There's usually a recipient to the verb to make the sentence more comprehensive. Also, self-harm can be very triggering, and I can see how the word could very well be a trigger for someone. I know we're not expected to police our vernacular, but it's not like OP was completely ridiculous.
No it wasn't completely ridiculous. But the idea of term policing and creating a new word so it doesn't set anyone off is where the absurdity comes into play.
People come up with new words all the time. Every year new words are added the dictionary. That's not absurd. At some point "bestie" wasn't a word, now it is. Why can't there be a word dedicated to describing losing weight by eating at a deficit? Or more than one so there's synonyms to describe it with different emphapses?
http://public.oed.com/the-oed-today/recent-updates-to-the-oed/march-2014-update/new-words-list-march-2014/
You mean dieting?
I'd say CICO but it isn't technically a word and it's a term/concept that could be used to cover both maintaining and bulking.
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