Something I learned to avoid carbs
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
Please stop advertising in this thread. You're starting to get to the point where you're sounding like a fanatic.
Lol. Well I am an advocate - as I was for CICO when I started and for a good year.... I was just trying to give some proper information.
If I am a fanatic what does that make all the CICO'ers who are just as one minded (as I was!).
All I'm saying is there are other options and people can still use MFP. Which is what this website is all about ...
No, you're going on and on even when people tell you that they've found what works for them. You're more than just a fanatic, you're obsessive and it's starting to look quite like an unhealthy relationship you got going on there. If you're an advocate for this person then all I see in you is something that I want to stay far far far away from, less I become someone like you.
Oh grow up. Can't we share different views? Is there a rule on here that you can only discuss CICO positively and never mention any other possible way. You're the obsessed and fanatical ones! Lol.
You're views go beyond reason. If you would of stopped at this worked for me and I think it's great instead of ranting about it for several pages then yes share a different view. But, go back and read your continued gospel and if you don't see a problem in your post then you have bigger issues than I first thought.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
Please stop advertising in this thread. You're starting to get to the point where you're sounding like a fanatic.
Lol. Well I am an advocate - as I was for CICO when I started and for a good year.... I was just trying to give some proper information.
If I am a fanatic what does that make all the CICO'ers who are just as one minded (as I was!).
All I'm saying is there are other options and people can still use MFP. Which is what this website is all about ...
No, you're going on and on even when people tell you that they've found what works for them. You're more than just a fanatic, you're obsessive and it's starting to look quite like an unhealthy relationship you got going on there. If you're an advocate for this person then all I see in you is something that I want to stay far far far away from, less I become someone like you.
Oh grow up. Can't we share different views? Is there a rule on here that you can only discuss CICO positively and never mention any other possible way. You're the obsessed and fanatical ones! Lol.
You're the one on here claiming things without backing anything up.
How did MrM, or me, or anyone just going by CICO, lose all their weight? How did YOU lose the first 25 or so pounds you lost just following CICO?
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Check our Zoe Harcombe diet/book. Utterly changed my thinking on low calorie diets and utterly convinced me about low carb diets. After over a year on a low calorie diet (which initially worked using MFP) and then gradually only basically being able to eat 800 calories a day (short) to lose half a pound a week (with over a stone to go) this diet has changed my life and I've started losing weight again while eating at least double this amount and never feeling hungry. It's a bloody revelation. I was totally in the MFP a calorie is a calorie camp and now I am totally not. Now I understand the science and tried it myself and it flaming works. This video is how I got hooked and I am so happy I never have to count a calorie again...because MFP'ers a calorie is not a calorie after all.
You were most likely in desperate need of a refeed after eating at deficit for so long. I'm not going to bother watching that video. You've now refed your body, adjusted your metabolism, and started losing again... which, if you had followed the advice around here, you'd have known about.
I remember you. You were eating dangerously low calorie for a long time, and never asked for help. You should NEVER have blithely gone below 1200 calories without asking for advice.
Makes no sense. I'm loosing weight again yes. WITHOUT counting calories and eating around 2000 a day (couldn't resist putting them into the MFP)
I didn't blithely go. My BMR and TDEE are very low anyway. I wasn't loosing weight because my body had adjusted to a VLCD so was storing whatever it could.
I love how everyone can dismiss it when they haven't even tried it. Lol. Good one.
@kellysdavies Can you please respond?
So what you're saying is that by eating fat and carbs together we will not be able to lose fat because our bodies are always burning carbs? So at no point in the day will our body tap into stored fat reserves for energy since we are in a caloric deficit? Does eating fat and carbs negate the laws of thermodynamics?
Can you explain to me why then was I able to lose the weight I wanted to (75 lbs) all without following that rule to not eat fat and carbs together?
All I can suggest is downloading Zoe's book to understand - there is WAY more to her theories and diet. I didn't say you won't lose weight with CICO - you will. Hey I did! I lost over a stone over a year. I was a dedicated MFP'er. I couldn't believe everyone else was so stupid and didn't realise it was basic CICO. Eat at deficit you morons. Duh! And then things changed when I realised I couldn't eat much to even maintain weight!
If want to do this forever and eat at a deficit forever - cool man. But it wasn't the lifestyle I wanted and I *still* hadn't got to target weight and the thought of how few calories I would be able to eat at maintenance made me sad. I can't do that forever. I don't want to. I don't personally think counting calories forever is a good way to enjoy food and living. But that's just me!kellysdavies wrote: »
You're saying he can lose weight while in a caloric surplus?
Yes. Yes I can. Because not all calories are equal but 90% of you will never believe this because I didn't! I can't stress how devoted I was to this. I mocked people who thought otherwise. A bit like you all are now! Ha ha. Oh well. I've said my bit. We all make our choices. Just saying there *is* another way.
You said you can answer the questions but you didn't even bother to answer the questions. All you did was complain about people not believing you. Can you answer the specific questions you were asked?
Sorry. What specific question have I missed ?kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
WRONG. Because you believe all calories are equal. I was you too. I thought so too. I am living proof this is an invalid theory. There is a way around it. Happy I have found it.
You came to that conclusion because you've lost 6 whole pounds on that plan?
I have only been doing it a few weeks and I started it at lower weight than when I started CICO and am eating double the amount of calories (on average maybe)No, you're going on and on even when people tell you that they've found what works for them. You're more than just a fanatic, you're obsessive and it's starting to look quite like an unhealthy relationship you got going on there. If you're an advocate for this person then all I see in you is something that I want to stay far far far away from, less I become someone like you.
She's also being asked to provide answers and she just keeps repeating the same things over and over. It's like when someone watched those mocumentaries like Fed Up and their response to every question is "Watch the documentary". That's called lack of substance to back up their claims.
What question do you want answered? I am not the scientist behind the diet - just someone who has tried it after a long time doing CICO and it is so far successful for me.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
Please stop advertising in this thread. You're starting to get to the point where you're sounding like a fanatic.
Lol. Well I am an advocate - as I was for CICO when I started and for a good year.... I was just trying to give some proper information.
If I am a fanatic what does that make all the CICO'ers who are just as one minded (as I was!).
All I'm saying is there are other options and people can still use MFP. Which is what this website is all about ...
No, you're going on and on even when people tell you that they've found what works for them. You're more than just a fanatic, you're obsessive and it's starting to look quite like an unhealthy relationship you got going on there. If you're an advocate for this person then all I see in you is something that I want to stay far far far away from, less I become someone like you.
Oh grow up. Can't we share different views? Is there a rule on here that you can only discuss CICO positively and never mention any other possible way. You're the obsessed and fanatical ones! Lol.
Wait just a minute. You are telling people to grow up? Really?
Really.
You are evangelizing about the Hamcobe or Harcombe diet, or whatever it is, as being the one true diet because you can eat all you want and not gain weight, as long as you eat food is a certain way, including eating cheese all day long, and even more, calories in/out does not apply to this type of diet.
I'm just about at a loss for words with the stuff you have posted in this conversation.
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kellysdavies wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Check our Zoe Harcombe diet/book. Utterly changed my thinking on low calorie diets and utterly convinced me about low carb diets. After over a year on a low calorie diet (which initially worked using MFP) and then gradually only basically being able to eat 800 calories a day (short) to lose half a pound a week (with over a stone to go) this diet has changed my life and I've started losing weight again while eating at least double this amount and never feeling hungry. It's a bloody revelation. I was totally in the MFP a calorie is a calorie camp and now I am totally not. Now I understand the science and tried it myself and it flaming works. This video is how I got hooked and I am so happy I never have to count a calorie again...because MFP'ers a calorie is not a calorie after all.
You were most likely in desperate need of a refeed after eating at deficit for so long. I'm not going to bother watching that video. You've now refed your body, adjusted your metabolism, and started losing again... which, if you had followed the advice around here, you'd have known about.
I remember you. You were eating dangerously low calorie for a long time, and never asked for help. You should NEVER have blithely gone below 1200 calories without asking for advice.
Makes no sense. I'm loosing weight again yes. WITHOUT counting calories and eating around 2000 a day (couldn't resist putting them into the MFP)
I didn't blithely go. My BMR and TDEE are very low anyway. I wasn't loosing weight because my body had adjusted to a VLCD so was storing whatever it could.
I love how everyone can dismiss it when they haven't even tried it. Lol. Good one.
Oh, your TDEE is low? Is it below the 2,000 calories you're eating now?
Of course you're not logging and have no proof.
Your body had adapted to your calorie intake, yes.
FTR? I tried food combining for all of about 2 months. So yeah... Don't kid a kidder. Didn't lose weight.
IF there was a way to blame food, trust me, I found it.
It's nonsense.
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Sciencebeliever wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
You may have had more food than you did on any other diet and lost weight, but that is only because you had less calories overall.kellysdavies wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
What makes no sense? That he lost 3 times as much as you doing what you say didn't work?kellysdavies wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Check our Zoe Harcombe diet/book. Utterly changed my thinking on low calorie diets and utterly convinced me about low carb diets. After over a year on a low calorie diet (which initially worked using MFP) and then gradually only basically being able to eat 800 calories a day (short) to lose half a pound a week (with over a stone to go) this diet has changed my life and I've started losing weight again while eating at least double this amount and never feeling hungry. It's a bloody revelation. I was totally in the MFP a calorie is a calorie camp and now I am totally not. Now I understand the science and tried it myself and it flaming works. This video is how I got hooked and I am so happy I never have to count a calorie again...because MFP'ers a calorie is not a calorie after all.
You were most likely in desperate need of a refeed after eating at deficit for so long. I'm not going to bother watching that video. You've now refed your body, adjusted your metabolism, and started losing again... which, if you had followed the advice around here, you'd have known about.
I remember you. You were eating dangerously low calorie for a long time, and never asked for help. You should NEVER have blithely gone below 1200 calories without asking for advice.
Makes no sense. I'm loosing weight again yes. WITHOUT counting calories and eating around 2000 a day (couldn't resist putting them into the MFP)
I didn't blithely go. My BMR and TDEE are very low anyway. I wasn't loosing weight because my body had adjusted to a VLCD so was storing whatever it could.
I love how everyone can dismiss it when they haven't even tried it. Lol. Good one.
What is this point meant to make? I LOST WEIGHT ON CICO.
If I had lost 3 x what I did lose on CICO I would be less about 6 stone. Lol.
It makes no sense (on your theory) that I had a refeed and am now losing weight again..... because this time I am not counting calories and eating over double what I was on CICO and am over a stone (well a bit more actually) lighter than when I first started CICO in March last year.
It's dangerous territory to try and convince anyone, including yourself, that you can lose weight eating at a calorie surplus. You just happened to eat lower calorie foods in higher quantities, which put you in a deficit (because of the lower calorie foods).
You are not a special snowflake and you don't have the ability to defy science. Calories in/calories out is the only way to lose weight, even if you have a medical condition, which would require more trial and error to find your calorie deficit.
Defy science ... Lol... I wish you would read the book to understand why the 'totally accepted' science is so flawed. I don't need to convince myself - I have lost weight in a calorie surplus. I'm not lying! Lol. You will never believe this while you believe all calories are equal. That's okay. I understand. I was the same for ages. But you are absolutely wrong. 100%.
I have been following these posts for six months and finally decided to register.
Kelly, I happen to have an open mind on this issue. But most people on this site who believe in CICO believe it with a passion or even a religious fervor. I suppose that's fine to believe in CICO, but they think people like you are either delusional or a liar, or are actually in a caloric deficit despite the fact that you say you are not.
Anyway, I enjoyed reading your posts.
Strong first post.
Science. There is no way around it: in order to lose weight you must be in a calorie deficit.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think people do understand it, they just tend to ignore it. You can look at the label of a candy bar, and see the calorie burn on the exercise machine you're doing.(despite the fact it being inaccurate).
I think they are in denial. The machine being inaccurate is part of that, but it's true beyond that often when there's no machine, especially if it's like the study where they pick people not used to exercising and make them do something tedious in a gym.
In another thread today someone is calling everyone mean and nasty because they questioned the likelihood of regular 1000 calorie burns at the gym.
I don't believe the reason people eat more after relatively light exercise is real hunger, for the most part. I know that's not consistent with my experience--I tend to eat less when moving more if it's part of an overall effort to get more fit.
Me too. All exercise makes me is wicked thirsty. All day long afterwards. All that water must fill me up or something.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
WRONG. Because you believe all calories are equal. I was you too. I thought so too. I am living proof this is an invalid theory. There is a way around it. Happy I have found it.
Oh my goodness....right. LOL, R.I.G.H.T.
No, dear, you don't lose weight eating at a calorie surplus. If that were true, then there would be no fat people.
Wrong. You do. I am. This is where 'how' you eat foods comes into play - not mixing fats and carbs for example and not eating foods which feed the 3 conditions that have been identified as being linked to obesity. (Luckily I don't have these so don't need to cut out any food). There is a lot to this diet and for some maybe it is just too much. And I understand the reluctance when CICO is so basic and simple. I do. I never thought I'd see any other valid theory.
You simply chose lower calorie foods and ate more of them, thus the quantity of food is more than what you were eating before.
Wrong. I'm not eating any low calorie foods (well apart from the veg and salad with my fat). Eating lots of butter, cheese and cream. Lots of fatty meat. Lots of full fat dairy.
I'm happy too that you found a way of eating that works for you, especially since you are eating way more food but less calories. Keep it up, that calorie deficit sounds like it's working well for you.
Wrong. No deficit. Most days over what I burn.
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How about an open diary so we can explore these claims of having fervently followed CICO, but six months of no weight loss? One problem here is that only one person can authenticate these claims... I would even be interested in a sample day of 2000+ calories done routinely that doesn't result in weight gain. Of course, I would also be interested in seeing this happen over the course of a few months, for which my understanding is that such data simply does not yet exist due to Kelly only having done the harcombe (sp) diet for one month0
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Short google search on Miss Harcombe:
http://www.badscience.net/2011/01/how-to-read-a-paper/
http://bitemywords.com/tag/zoe-harcombe/
http://blog.wcrf-uk.org/2010/11/is-zoe-harcombe’s-advice-based-on-solid-scientific-evidence/
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2010/12/insulin-wars-i-anonymous-lc-author.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2011/08/zoe-harcombe-credentials.html
http://wwddtydty.com/2015/01/evil-asa-4-zoe-harcombe/
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Sciencebeliever wrote: »I have been following these posts for six months and finally decided to register.
Kelly, I happen to have an open mind on this issue. But most people on this site who believe in CICO believe it with a passion or even a religious fervor. I suppose that's fine to believe in CICO, but they think people like you are either delusional or a liar, or are actually in a caloric deficit despite the fact that you say you are not.
Anyway, I enjoyed reading your posts.
While there are multiple ways of achieving an energy deficit, all diets follow the rules of calories in vs out. And different macros have slightly different affects on a person. But one can not eat more calories than they burn and lose weight. So yes, the board believes in CICO because it's science. If there was any science to disprove it, we would probably start to reconsider our position. And I am talking real science, not a blog/article.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
Shhh don't talk sense, it's all magic and unicorns, you know that SLL.
Nah. Just understanding food and calories as a unit of measurement properly. While an inch is an inch, a calorie isn't always a calorie once it is in the body. No magic, no unicorns. Basics.
100 calories of apple is the same as 100 calories of cake, except the cake will be a whole lot smaller than than the apple. Your body knows no difference, but your mind might.
The body uses 100 calories worth of carb very differently to 100 calories worth of fat. Not all calories are equal.
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I'm interested to know what Kelly's stats are - age, height, activity level - cos I'm actually not buying a TDEE of 1300-1400, and therefore losing weight on a surplus of 600 cals a day.0
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
WRONG. Because you believe all calories are equal. I was you too. I thought so too. I am living proof this is an invalid theory. There is a way around it. Happy I have found it.
Oh my goodness....right. LOL, R.I.G.H.T.
No, dear, you don't lose weight eating at a calorie surplus. If that were true, then there would be no fat people.
Wrong. You do. I am. This is where 'how' you eat foods comes into play - not mixing fats and carbs for example and not eating foods which feed the 3 conditions that have been identified as being linked to obesity. (Luckily I don't have these so don't need to cut out any food). There is a lot to this diet and for some maybe it is just too much. And I understand the reluctance when CICO is so basic and simple. I do. I never thought I'd see any other valid theory.
You simply chose lower calorie foods and ate more of them, thus the quantity of food is more than what you were eating before.
Wrong. I'm not eating any low calorie foods (well apart from the veg and salad with my fat). Eating lots of butter, cheese and cream. Lots of fatty meat. Lots of full fat dairy.
I'm happy too that you found a way of eating that works for you, especially since you are eating way more food but less calories. Keep it up, that calorie deficit sounds like it's working well for you.
Wrong. No deficit. Most days over what I burn.
How are you measuring calories in if you don't track and calories out?0 -
kellysdavies wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Why is it faddy? Have you actually read it? No. What silly rules? Why silly? You have no idea. You're making assumptions with no proper knowledge because you don't want to believe there *might* just be another way. Open your mind.
I don't get what you mean about the 800 calorie thing?
I was 10stone12. Goal weight 8stone10 (still upper end of the range for my height - could go down to 7stone10). I did TDEE for about a year. I got down to 9stone2. It worked! I was only on about 1300 cals a day but it worked. Over a year (maybe a bit more)
Then it stopped working. My BMR and TDEE are very low as it is (I'm 5ft1, woman, 36). I didn't lose for 6 months. Yes I weighed everything. Yes I was accurate with my recordings. I sat it out. Then I reduced my calories to 1000 a day and I was lost about half a pound in 4 weeks. If that. This wasn't maintenance - I still had more to lose. To lose any more I'd have to go to 800 calories. Did I say I did ? NO. I didn't want to. I don't want to. It's ludicrous. So I started researching why this was and what I could do. Done this diet for a month and now down to 8stone13.
So read posts properly before you make silly comments. Embarrassing yourself. Awkward.
I'm 5'1" and a lot older than you. I've read these boards enough to know there are no special snowflakes and to know this: You should have done a refeed instead of lowering your calories, you were probably experiencing adaptive thermogensis.
If you had simply kept to the foods you were eating, slowly upped your calories to what your maintenance levels were, eaten that way for a week or two, then gradually lowered them back down again? You would have started losing again.
Food combining is quite possibly one of the silliest diet concepts ever.
Tried that. Didn't work. I didn't just give up at the first hurdle. I was 6 months stuck. My maintenance calories were only something like 1300-1400. No thanks - not doing that forever!
You did NOT eat up to maintenance. How much do you weigh? My maintenance at 120 pounds at my age will be that calorie range, and I should hit goal when I'm 53. There is no way that those are your maintenance calories. Remember, we're the same height. I am considerably older than you.
Try again.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
WRONG. Because you believe all calories are equal. I was you too. I thought so too. I am living proof this is an invalid theory. There is a way around it. Happy I have found it.
Oh my goodness....right. LOL, R.I.G.H.T.
No, dear, you don't lose weight eating at a calorie surplus. If that were true, then there would be no fat people.
Wrong. You do. I am. This is where 'how' you eat foods comes into play - not mixing fats and carbs for example and not eating foods which feed the 3 conditions that have been identified as being linked to obesity. (Luckily I don't have these so don't need to cut out any food). There is a lot to this diet and for some maybe it is just too much. And I understand the reluctance when CICO is so basic and simple. I do. I never thought I'd see any other valid theory.
You simply chose lower calorie foods and ate more of them, thus the quantity of food is more than what you were eating before.
Wrong. I'm not eating any low calorie foods (well apart from the veg and salad with my fat). Eating lots of butter, cheese and cream. Lots of fatty meat. Lots of full fat dairy.
I'm happy too that you found a way of eating that works for you, especially since you are eating way more food but less calories. Keep it up, that calorie deficit sounds like it's working well for you.
Wrong. No deficit. Most days over what I burn.
Yeah....No.
Nope. And, if you don't log your food, you don't really know how many calories you're eating. You really don't. You're just assuming.
If you ate over what you burned, you would have gained weight like every other person on the planet. In fact, any person who eats more calories than they burn gains weight.
Also, did you know if you eat less calories than you burn, you lose weight?
Oh, and by the way, if you eat about the same amount of calories as you burn, you maintain weight.
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
Shhh don't talk sense, it's all magic and unicorns, you know that SLL.
Nah. Just understanding food and calories as a unit of measurement properly. While an inch is an inch, a calorie isn't always a calorie once it is in the body. No magic, no unicorns. Basics.
100 calories of apple is the same as 100 calories of cake, except the cake will be a whole lot smaller than than the apple. Your body knows no difference, but your mind might.
The body uses 100 calories worth of carb very differently to 100 calories worth of fat. Not all calories are equal.
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stevencloser wrote: »Short google search on Miss Harcombe:
http://www.badscience.net/2011/01/how-to-read-a-paper/
http://bitemywords.com/tag/zoe-harcombe/
http://blog.wcrf-uk.org/2010/11/is-zoe-harcombe’s-advice-based-on-solid-scientific-evidence/
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2010/12/insulin-wars-i-anonymous-lc-author.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2011/08/zoe-harcombe-credentials.html
http://wwddtydty.com/2015/01/evil-asa-4-zoe-harcombe/
And so on.
That's quite terrifying... people are actually following that? I guess there are all types.0 -
kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
Shhh don't talk sense, it's all magic and unicorns, you know that SLL.
Nah. Just understanding food and calories as a unit of measurement properly. While an inch is an inch, a calorie isn't always a calorie once it is in the body. No magic, no unicorns. Basics.
100 calories of apple is the same as 100 calories of cake, except the cake will be a whole lot smaller than than the apple. Your body knows no difference, but your mind might.
The body uses 100 calories worth of carb very differently to 100 calories worth of fat. Not all calories are equal.
Nutritionally, the apple and the cake are not the same.
Calorie wise, you body knows no difference.0 -
kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
I would say based on this breakdown, the woman has and has always had an unhealthy relationship with food. Those who have struggled with eating disorders in the past will many times find new rules to eating that will only make sense to others with similar tendencies. this woman has a degree in math and economics, does not have a degree in nutrition in any form (or for some reason she is unable to prove that she does have a nutrition degree) Be very careful with following so faithfully someone who has admittedly suffered from multiple eating disorders and this appears to be a new manifestation of that.
I do follow a very low carb woe, which absolutely does aid in weight loss, however it works because the foods you eat are more satiating causing one to eat less as they feel full longer effectively reducing your caloric intake. It also helps to increase your energy levels as you adapt to burning fat for fuel which increases your calories out. It's one way that works for many to create a deficit.
It's especially helpful for those with certain medical conditions.
Please stop making claims that are not based in fact, I'm really tired of low carb and keto being made to look like it's not a viable method for many and only looked at as a cult full of fanatics.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Short google search on Miss Harcombe:
http://www.badscience.net/2011/01/how-to-read-a-paper/
http://bitemywords.com/tag/zoe-harcombe/
http://blog.wcrf-uk.org/2010/11/is-zoe-harcombe’s-advice-based-on-solid-scientific-evidence/
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2010/12/insulin-wars-i-anonymous-lc-author.html
http://carbsanity.blogspot.de/2011/08/zoe-harcombe-credentials.html
http://wwddtydty.com/2015/01/evil-asa-4-zoe-harcombe/
And so on.
That's quite terrifying... people are actually following that? I guess there are all types.
I've been talking to a friend about GMOs and Monsanto and all that lately and I quickly found out even if he posts a study, googling the names of the authors tells a lot more about its validity than reading it a lot of the time.0 -
auntstephie321 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
I would say based on this breakdown, the woman has and has always had an unhealthy relationship with food. Those who have struggled with eating disorders in the past will many times find new rules to eating that will only make sense to others with similar tendencies. this woman has a degree in math and economics, does not have a degree in nutrition in any form (or for some reason she is unable to prove that she does have a nutrition degree) Be very careful with following so faithfully someone who has admittedly suffered from multiple eating disorders and this appears to be a new manifestation of that.
I do follow a very low carb woe, which absolutely does aid in weight loss, however it works because the foods you eat are more satiating causing one to eat less as they feel full longer effectively reducing your caloric intake. It also helps to increase your energy levels as you adapt to burning fat for fuel which increases your calories out. It's one way that works for many to create a deficit.
It's especially helpful for those with certain medical conditions.
Please stop making claims that are not based in fact, I'm really tired of low carb and keto being made to look like it's not a viable method for many and only looked at as a cult full of fanatics.
I think we probably all have an eating disorder of some kind or else none of us would even be having this convo. But everyone is an expert here ...
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kellysdavies wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »
Oh no, to lose weight on any diet you need to eat at a deficit. There is no way around that.
WRONG. Because you believe all calories are equal. I was you too. I thought so too. I am living proof this is an invalid theory. There is a way around it. Happy I have found it.
So your saying that ingested energy can just disappear? That would imply that you're a black hole.
So yes you are at a deficit, whether you acknowledge it or not.
She starved herself. For a long time period. I saw her for months talking about eating 1000 calories. And now she's saying 800.
She probably had a raging case of adaptive thermogenesis. She's even saying she thought her maintenance was 1300-1400. Not unless she's already super thin. Which would put her, if trying to lose more weight into some dangerous territory. To get 1300 for maintenance on Scooby's, I just plugged in 110 for weight. And she's lost 6 pounds from that. I forgot her exact age, I used 35.
Houston, we have a problem.
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mandyclay1982 wrote: »Carbs cause insulin levels to rise in your body, which in return make you eat more and gain weight. Carbs are horrible! You wanna see some fast weightloss? Just setyour carbs to 20%
and you will be blown away 
You'll see some fast weight loss for sure, but you will be losing muscle and water, not fat if you cut your carbs to 20%.
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kellysdavies wrote: »auntstephie321 wrote: »kellysdavies wrote: »Product Description
Let me guess... You've tried every diet under the sun; You've lost weight and put it all back on; The more you diet, the more you crave food; You have almost given up hope of being and staying slim. Do you want some good news? It's not your fault. You are not greedy or weak-willed. You've just been given totally the wrong advice. This is the first book to explain why traditional diets are the cause of the current obesity epidemic, not the cure. It shows that eating less leads to three extremely common physical conditions, which cause overeating. This book can change your life. The Harcombe Diet will help you lose weight & keep it off. There is absolutely nothing to count and you can have unlimited quantities of real food - carbs and fats. Count Calories and end up a food addict. Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight! This book is for anyone who wants to lose weight. It is especially for those who want to lose weight so desperately that they can't think what they would like more than this. It is for anyone who doesn't need to lose weight, but who wants to stop feeling addicted to, and controlled by, food. It is for anyone who can't stick to a diet - especially for those who can't understand why. It is for anyone who has ever calorie counted, lost weight, put weight back on and/or put more back on than they first lost. It is for anyone who found Atkins worked, but can't bear the thought of having to avoid fruit, chocolate, bread and the 'good things in life' forever. It is for anyone who has food cravings, or feels addicted to food in some way. It is especially for people who have particular food cravings - for chocolate, bread, cereal, even salad dressing - all of these will be completely explained. It is for anyone who experiences unwelcome symptoms after meals - anything from bloating to feeling 'foggy'.
About the Author
Zoë's passion is her vocation. Zoë spends her time researching and writing about obesity, diets and weight loss and she works exclusively in this field. She is author of the best selling book "Stop Counting Calories and Start Losing Weight", which was the follow-up to "Why do you overeat? When all you want is to be slim". The result of 20 years' research into the causes of overeating, Zoë's books go against traditional diet advice and are the first to address the three fundamental medical conditions that cause food cravings and therefore the compulsion to overeat. This understanding has helped thousands of people lose weight quickly, easily and healthily through The Harcombe Diet approach. During her teenage years Zoë suffered from both anorexia and bulimia, which she battled for several years before becoming the first person from her state school to graduate from Cambridge University. The early years of her career were then spent fighting food cravings to rival any drug addiction. Despite her illnesses and ongoing struggle with food, Zoë developed her career and achieved a number of high powered positions in the management consultancy, consumer goods, pharmaceuticals and telecommunications industries for blue chip organisations including Mars and SmithKline Beecham. During her 20's, Zoë suffered from all three of the physical conditions detailed in her books but no longer suffers from any of them and knows how to make sure they, and food cravings, never return. Zoë has now been free from food addiction for over 10 years and decided to put her years of experience and research onto paper, creating the heart-felt, revolutionary diet book, Why do you overeat?, followed by Stop Counting Calories & Start Losing Weight and the accompanying recipe book. She is now a full-time diet guru with a Diploma in Diet and Nutrition and a Diploma in Clinical Weight Management and spends her time advising clients, writing for newspapers and magazines, appearing as a diet expert on TV and radio, undertaking more research, and inspiring women and men world-wide. Zoë lives with her husband,
I'm gonna put my piece of cheese on the fact Zoe is way more educated on this than any of us are ...
I would say based on this breakdown, the woman has and has always had an unhealthy relationship with food. Those who have struggled with eating disorders in the past will many times find new rules to eating that will only make sense to others with similar tendencies. this woman has a degree in math and economics, does not have a degree in nutrition in any form (or for some reason she is unable to prove that she does have a nutrition degree) Be very careful with following so faithfully someone who has admittedly suffered from multiple eating disorders and this appears to be a new manifestation of that.
I do follow a very low carb woe, which absolutely does aid in weight loss, however it works because the foods you eat are more satiating causing one to eat less as they feel full longer effectively reducing your caloric intake. It also helps to increase your energy levels as you adapt to burning fat for fuel which increases your calories out. It's one way that works for many to create a deficit.
It's especially helpful for those with certain medical conditions.
Please stop making claims that are not based in fact, I'm really tired of low carb and keto being made to look like it's not a viable method for many and only looked at as a cult full of fanatics.
I think we probably all have an eating disorder of some kind or else none of us would even be having this convo. But everyone is an expert here ...
No, not everybody has an eating disorder.
Nobody here is an expert anymore than anyone else.
We are having the last several pages of this conversation because people are standing up to your claims that calories in/calories out does not matter as to weight loss as long as you follow a certain diet.
By the way, what you are advocating is, in my perception, disordered thoughts and behaviors around food, which is not the same as an eating disorder. 0
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