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Carlos_421 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
No she clearly stated, "We can do it...lets get healthy."Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sandcastles61 wrote: »am I right in thinking that pre-diabetes is a medical state that is a result of being overweight and that weight rather than sugar consumption is the major correlation here
(really do not know much about this so just interested)
from a quick google
"Prediabetes is when blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough for a diagnosis of diabetes. Prediabetes means a person is at increased risk for developing type 2 diabetes, as well as for heart disease and stroke. Many people with prediabetes develop type 2 diabetes within 10 years.
However, modest weight loss and moderate physical activity can help people with prediabetes delay or prevent type 2 diabetes." from http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/#2
and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
I usually love your advice rabbitjb, but my mom was far from overweight and diagnosed as prediabetic????? Which she has successfully managed by diet choices.... Although her mom(my grandmother) was full on diabetic. Just questioning?
Yeah ... I might be wrong as I said I don't know much about it and a quick scan on google does not an educated person make
It does say that the most overwhelming factor is family history
and I did read that sugar is not causative
I was just interested
Sugar may not be causative. Many studies have failed to prove it as a cause. Either it is not a cause, or it works so slowly that it's nearly impossible to prove anything other than correlation. But whatever the cause, once you are pre-diabetic or diabetic, sugar is a major factor in controlling the condition. And since the OP stated she does have the condition, I'm not sure why everyone is picking on her post.
Because she is inferring that in order to be healthy, all of us, even those not at risk for diabetes, need to give up sugar.
I think you mean you are inferring. Though honestly, since she mentioned her medical condition why you would infer that meant anyone without the condition would also need to follow her doctor's advice is a mystery to me.
Oh the horror!
It's not horrible, but the presumption that all of us are unhealthy is unnecessary.
The nurse at the ER when my appendix went kaput:
"It's refreshing to have a patient like you. You're healthier and in better shape than 90% of the people who work here."
I'd eaten a KitKat earlier that very day.
Shoot, now I can't have kitkats because as good as they are, I don't want appendicitis.0 -
Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Then your doctor is misinformed. Studies have shown that while sugar may contribute to diabetes but it is a myth that too much sugar causes diabetes.
being overweight can correlate to increased risk of pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes
lose weight risk goes
Not saying that being over weight is a risk factor, but rather that it is it the sugar itself.
That's a little mushy though. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes, and excess added sugar consumption is a risk factor for becoming overweight, then excess added sugar consumption is - albeit indirectly - a risk factor for diabetes. I mean, yes, technically, staying at a healthy weight would mean you would have to worry less about diabetes but consuming excess free sugars makes it less likely that someone will stay at a healthy weight. (Excess as in over the recommended amount that isn't burned off with additional exercise.)
Mushy logic? How about yours. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes then EVERY single food that one could eat causing them to be overweight would be a secondary risk factor. That means sugar, steak, cheese. even broccoli could be risk factors.
I didn't get overweight because I ate too much sugar. I don't even usually exceed my sugar goal in MFP. I was overweight because I ate too much of everything. Ergo, chicken wings and queso dip put me at risk for diabetes...
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Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Then your doctor is misinformed. Studies have shown that while sugar may contribute to diabetes but it is a myth that too much sugar causes diabetes.
being overweight can correlate to increased risk of pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes
lose weight risk goes
Not saying that being over weight is a risk factor, but rather that it is it the sugar itself.
That's a little mushy though. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes, and excess added sugar consumption is a risk factor for becoming overweight, then excess added sugar consumption is - albeit indirectly - a risk factor for diabetes. I mean, yes, technically, staying at a healthy weight would mean you would have to worry less about diabetes but consuming excess free sugars makes it less likely that someone will stay at a healthy weight. (Excess as in over the recommended amount that isn't burned off with additional exercise.)
Mushy logic? How about yours. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes then EVERY single food that one could eat causing them to be overweight would be a secondary risk factor. That means sugar, steak, cheese. even broccoli could be risk factors.
I didn't get overweight because I ate too much sugar. I don't even usually exceed my sugar goal in MFP. I was overweight because I ate too much of everything. Ergo, chicken wings and queso dip put me at risk for diabetes...
Breathing is a risk factor for getting diabetes. I'm going to give that up.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
No she clearly stated, "We can do it...lets get healthy."Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sandcastles61 wrote: »am I right in thinking that pre-diabetes is a medical state that is a result of being overweight and that weight rather than sugar consumption is the major correlation here
(really do not know much about this so just interested)
from a quick google
"Prediabetes is when blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough for a diagnosis of diabetes. Prediabetes means a person is at increased risk for developing type 2 diabetes, as well as for heart disease and stroke. Many people with prediabetes develop type 2 diabetes within 10 years.
However, modest weight loss and moderate physical activity can help people with prediabetes delay or prevent type 2 diabetes." from http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/#2
and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
I usually love your advice rabbitjb, but my mom was far from overweight and diagnosed as prediabetic????? Which she has successfully managed by diet choices.... Although her mom(my grandmother) was full on diabetic. Just questioning?
Yeah ... I might be wrong as I said I don't know much about it and a quick scan on google does not an educated person make
It does say that the most overwhelming factor is family history
and I did read that sugar is not causative
I was just interested
Sugar may not be causative. Many studies have failed to prove it as a cause. Either it is not a cause, or it works so slowly that it's nearly impossible to prove anything other than correlation. But whatever the cause, once you are pre-diabetic or diabetic, sugar is a major factor in controlling the condition. And since the OP stated she does have the condition, I'm not sure why everyone is picking on her post.
Because she is inferring that in order to be healthy, all of us, even those not at risk for diabetes, need to give up sugar.
I think you mean you are inferring. Though honestly, since she mentioned her medical condition why you would infer that meant anyone without the condition would also need to follow her doctor's advice is a mystery to me.
Oh the horror!
It's not horrible, but the presumption that all of us are unhealthy is unnecessary.
The nurse at the ER when my appendix went kaput:
"It's refreshing to have a patient like you. You're healthier and in better shape than 90% of the people who work here."
I'd eaten a KitKat earlier that very day.
Shoot, now I can't have kitkats because as good as they are, I don't want appendicitis.
Fortunately, I have already had my appendix removed so I am all clear to eat them.0 -
Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Then your doctor is misinformed. Studies have shown that while sugar may contribute to diabetes but it is a myth that too much sugar causes diabetes.
being overweight can correlate to increased risk of pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes
lose weight risk goes
Not saying that being over weight is a risk factor, but rather that it is it the sugar itself.
That's a little mushy though. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes, and excess added sugar consumption is a risk factor for becoming overweight, then excess added sugar consumption is - albeit indirectly - a risk factor for diabetes. I mean, yes, technically, staying at a healthy weight would mean you would have to worry less about diabetes but consuming excess free sugars makes it less likely that someone will stay at a healthy weight. (Excess as in over the recommended amount that isn't burned off with additional exercise.)
nuff said on this logic.0 -
Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Then your doctor is misinformed. Studies have shown that while sugar may contribute to diabetes but it is a myth that too much sugar causes diabetes.
Yup. Sugar is not a cause of diabetes. Even if you are diabetic, you can still eat sugar, you just have to monitor your total carbs. (Speaking as a type II diabetic who has her diabetes well contolled with diet and exercise - my A1C is 5.5 - but still also eats sugar within moderation! )0 -
There is some very creative flagging in this thread. At this point, I'm just in for the gifs.
I also see that this whole issue cannot be discussed on a level consider its audience without making it BIGGER. We gotta set up straw men and move around goal posts or it's no fun.0 -
Flags + gifs =
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mamapeach910 wrote: »There is some very creative flagging in this thread. At this point, I'm just in for the gifs.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »There is some very creative flagging in this thread. At this point, I'm just in for the gifs.
I agree. It's comical. Little do they know that abusing the flagging system can result in being banned from the forums.
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and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
Correct, but the NHS also indirectly links sugar consumption with diabetes, saying that added sugars can translate to weight gain, which can then lead to diabetes. (link)
"Many foods that contain added sugars also contain lots of calories, but often have few other nutrients. Eating these foods often can contribute to you becoming overweight. Being overweight can increase your risk of health conditions such as:- heart disease
- type 2 diabetes
Naturally, if a condition is a risk factor for a disease, preventing that condition should help reduce the risk of that disease. In this case, then, preventing weight gain would be a way to reduce the risk of diabetes. And while sugar isn't the only thing that can be controlled to get there, it's one of the main components.-1 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is some very creative flagging in this thread. At this point, I'm just in for the gifs.
I agree. It's comical. Little do they know that abusing the flagging system can result in being banned from the forums.
I know it's a rule. I don't know how strictly it's enforced. I shall treasure my abuse flag for my "Well Played" meme.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Chantell that is awesome and do not look back. I did it 8 months ago when in very poor health at age 63. In 30 days my pain level had dropped so much I no longer needed any meds to manage it. I am only down 25 pounds off of sugar but it looks more like a 50 pound lost. Plus I feel better than I have in 40 years.
It is not just Type 2 diabetes you may prevent but perhaps heart attacks, cancer, stroke, Alzheimer's, etc. With your change it can help others around you when they see your health gains.
Please could you post the source for sugar CAUSING heart attacks, cancer, stroke, Alzheimer
not the ones that talk about increased risk factors due to being overweight and losing weight ameliorating the risk factor
but the actual source for a causative relationship here
That would be interesting to read
Rabbit this is a Google results base on your own words in your post. Thanks for your question.
https://google.com/search?q=sugar+CAUSING+heart+attacks%2C+cancer%2C+stroke%2C+Alzheimer&oq=sugar+CAUSING+heart+attacks%2C+cancer%2C+stroke%2C+Alzheimer&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8
Gale, I see you still haven't learned what a peer-reviewed study is. Stick with impersonating 'Gale Hawkins the CEO' instead of research and nutrition.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There is some very creative flagging in this thread. At this point, I'm just in for the gifs.
I agree. It's comical. Little do they know that abusing the flagging system can result in being banned from the forums.
I know it's a rule. I don't know how strictly it's enforced. I shall treasure my abuse flag for my "Well Played" meme.
I'm not quite sure either but it definitely should be. As will I for mine! *laughs*0 -
and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
Correct, but the NHS also indirectly links sugar consumption with diabetes, saying that added sugars can translate to weight gain, which can then lead to diabetes. (link)
"Many foods that contain added sugars also contain lots of calories, but often have few other nutrients. Eating these foods often can contribute to you becoming overweight. Being overweight can increase your risk of health conditions such as:- heart disease
- type 2 diabetes
Naturally, if a condition is a risk factor for a disease, preventing that condition should help reduce the risk of that disease. In this case, then, preventing weight gain would be a way to reduce the risk of diabetes. And while sugar isn't the only thing that can be controlled to get there, it's one of the main components.
I have said this several times in other threads and I will say it again. I had heart disease and now no longer do all while eating sugary foods, explain that.0 -
and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
Correct, but the NHS also indirectly links sugar consumption with diabetes, saying that added sugars can translate to weight gain, which can then lead to diabetes. (link)
"Many foods that contain added sugars also contain lots of calories, but often have few other nutrients. Eating these foods often can contribute to you becoming overweight. Being overweight can increase your risk of health conditions such as:- heart disease
- type 2 diabetes
Naturally, if a condition is a risk factor for a disease, preventing that condition should help reduce the risk of that disease. In this case, then, preventing weight gain would be a way to reduce the risk of diabetes. And while sugar isn't the only thing that can be controlled to get there, it's one of the main components.
The absolute, ultimate component in being overweight is eating more calories than you burn over a sustained period of time. This can be achieved with or without added sugar.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Chantell1979 wrote: »Hi everyone......today, is a week from me not using sugar!! My Doctor told to stop drinking or eating sweets that contain sugar because I may end up to be a diabetic. So I have given up sugar folks. I feel alive and refreshed. From a week today...I haven't ate or drank any added sugars...only if in fruits or good carbs. My body feels amazing. No more sluggishness, I'm not tired or having the morning headaches. We can do it...lets get healthy. Feel free to share or add me. Thanks!!
Then your doctor is misinformed. Studies have shown that while sugar may contribute to diabetes but it is a myth that too much sugar causes diabetes.
being overweight can correlate to increased risk of pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes
lose weight risk goes
Not saying that being over weight is a risk factor, but rather that it is it the sugar itself.
That's a little mushy though. If being overweight is a risk factor for diabetes, and excess added sugar consumption is a risk factor for becoming overweight, then excess added sugar consumption is - albeit indirectly - a risk factor for diabetes. I mean, yes, technically, staying at a healthy weight would mean you would have to worry less about diabetes but consuming excess free sugars makes it less likely that someone will stay at a healthy weight. (Excess as in over the recommended amount that isn't burned off with additional exercise.)
But if you are a healthy weight, and are maintaining that weight and leading an active lifestyle, and you are otherwise healthy, then you are likely not consuming excess added sugar anyway, so...
Excess added sugar consumption is a risk factor for becoming overweight (and therefore diabetes) because of the tendency to eat excess calories. If your diet is otherwise controlled, then your sugar consumption is controlled by default.
No argument there.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
No she clearly stated, "We can do it...lets get healthy."Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Sandcastles61 wrote: »am I right in thinking that pre-diabetes is a medical state that is a result of being overweight and that weight rather than sugar consumption is the major correlation here
(really do not know much about this so just interested)
from a quick google
"Prediabetes is when blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough for a diagnosis of diabetes. Prediabetes means a person is at increased risk for developing type 2 diabetes, as well as for heart disease and stroke. Many people with prediabetes develop type 2 diabetes within 10 years.
However, modest weight loss and moderate physical activity can help people with prediabetes delay or prevent type 2 diabetes." from http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/#2
and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
I usually love your advice rabbitjb, but my mom was far from overweight and diagnosed as prediabetic????? Which she has successfully managed by diet choices.... Although her mom(my grandmother) was full on diabetic. Just questioning?
Yeah ... I might be wrong as I said I don't know much about it and a quick scan on google does not an educated person make
It does say that the most overwhelming factor is family history
and I did read that sugar is not causative
I was just interested
Sugar may not be causative. Many studies have failed to prove it as a cause. Either it is not a cause, or it works so slowly that it's nearly impossible to prove anything other than correlation. But whatever the cause, once you are pre-diabetic or diabetic, sugar is a major factor in controlling the condition. And since the OP stated she does have the condition, I'm not sure why everyone is picking on her post.
Because she is inferring that in order to be healthy, all of us, even those not at risk for diabetes, need to give up sugar.
I think you mean you are inferring. Though honestly, since she mentioned her medical condition why you would infer that meant anyone without the condition would also need to follow her doctor's advice is a mystery to me.
Oh the horror!
It's not horrible, but the presumption that all of us are unhealthy is unnecessary.
The nurse at the ER when my appendix went kaput:
"It's refreshing to have a patient like you. You're healthier and in better shape than 90% of the people who work here."
I'd eaten a KitKat earlier that very day.
Shoot, now I can't have kitkats because as good as they are, I don't want appendicitis.
Fortunately, I have already had my appendix removed so I am all clear to eat them.
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So, to be precise and correct, this also indirectly links broccoli, kale, quinoa, pork, chicken, turkey, mashed potatoes, bacon, and strawberries with diabetes, doesn't it?and the NHS
"Type 2 diabetes causes are usually multifactorial - more than one diabetes cause is involved. Often, the most overwhelming factor is a family history of type 2 diabetes.
There are a variety of risk factors for type 2 diabetes, any or all of which increase the chances of developing the condition. These include:
Obesity
Living a sedentary lifestyle
Increasing age
Bad diet
Other type 2 diabetes causes such as pregnancy or illness can be type 2 diabetes risk factors."
so is it not weight that is the issue and not sugar consumption?
Correct, but the NHS also indirectly links sugar consumption with diabetes, saying that added sugars can translate to weight gain, which can then lead to diabetes.0
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