If I eat an ice-cream everyday, but stay under the calorie limit, will it still work?
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I am surprised that ice cream and pizza were singled out as potentially "unhealthy" choices. Both have lots of good things in them. Both are higher in fat so portions need to be watched. Load up that pizza with veggies and the macro balance is nearly perfect! That fat compensates by being highly satiating however.
If I were to pick a potentially "unhealthy" diet I'd pick something like an all cereal diet, which I've seen here on MFP. Or an all fruit diet. Or an all liquid diet. That would be seriously lacking in nutrients.0 -
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I skipped most of the posts because this obviously hit a chord.
In general, I agree with the questions of what is unhealthy about ice cream and pizza. If you've ever watched a pizza being made, you would notice (I'm not sure about Domino's), a bit of olive oil, tomato sauce, and cheese (mozzerella is relatively low fat) on some bread that gets baked in the oven. I am always clueless about what people find unhealthy about that.
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Don't forget, this is the same forum where it's widely believed that if you drop some tea leaves into a glass of water, the water stops being water.Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Why, exactly, does having ice cream most likely mean you won't maintain a healthy balance of nutrients?You may lose weight, but you will most likely not have a healthy body otherwise. While a caloric deficit will help you shed pounds, you also need to maintain a healthy balance of nutrients to keep your heart and other muscles functioning properly.
From the USDA:
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/weight-management/better-choices/fewer-calories.html
Regardless of your weight status, empty calories should not be a major part of the diet. For most people, no more than 15% of calories should come from solid fats and added sugars. However, about 35% of the calories Americans typically eat and drink are empty calories. This means that many people choose foods and drinks with TOO MUCH solid fats and added sugars.
Sure you can eat a reasonable amount of ice cream, chips, cookies, etc. But someone trying to lose weight would be best served making sure they know what a serving size is and stay within the 15% suggested for health reasons.
I'm fairly sure there is not a single person on this planet for whom 1 ice cream would consist more than 15% of total calories.
There are 290 calories in a 1/2 cup serving of Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey ice cream. 290 calories is a bit over 15% of 1900 calories.
This is interesting. A 1/2 cup of B&J is 100+ grams...a 1/2 cup of, say, Breyers Vanilla ice cream is a bit over half of that - 65g and 130 calories.
The difference is almost certainly all the chunky **** B&J throws in there, none of which is actually "ice cream". So a serving of B&J is like a serving of ice cream plus a Snickers bar.
Which is to say...not an apples to apples comparison....
Well the Ben and Jerry's is generally in the ice cream aisle. My only point was someone needs to know what they are eating and per the USDA recommendation I posted most people should not be eating more than 15% of their calories from solid fats and added sugars.
Except for the part where you used the most calorie dense ice cream available for you example. Oh, and the part where you used the number for the Total Calories to reach your number, not just the number of calories from solid fats and added sugars
If you give someone a bowl of normal ice cream and a Snickers bar, it's two things.
But chop that Snickers bar into pieces and mix it into normal ice cream and somehow what you end up with is still just ice cream?
That's not honest debate...
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KatherineNadeau wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »mistypoison wrote: »Yes, It will work. But you won't end up with a "toned" body.
BS. You get a "toned" body by having low enough body fat and enough muscle through exercise.
One of the most unattractive bodies I've ever seen belonged to a "pure food" vegan. When he took of his shirt, I wanted to throw up. College student. Thin. SO GROTESQUELY SKINNY-FAT. He managed to be sooooo thin you could see his ribs across the room, and yet he had folds of pudgy skin, like six in a row, down his belly. With clothes on, you could tell his was pasty and unhealthily thin from a distance, but you couldn't see the weird fat (and still have never seen anything like it in my life). The entire team whispered about that for a good month.
But, you know, he ate "clean." So he must have really be toned.
That poor guy. Maybe it was bad luck in the genetic pool? Either way, making fun of someone because of their body is not cool.
No. He did it to himself. His diet was SUPER disordered...he would only eat what he considered to be "healthy" foods which actually meant that he had long-standing, severe deficiencies because so much was forbidden to him. I think he was an example of a severe orthorexic. It's pretty astonishing what harm you can do to your body when you think you're doing the right thing and you fear too many foods.
It's the kind of deficiencies that are super, super, SUPER rare among any type of moderate diet.0 -
professionalHobbyist wrote: »Where is "all over the Internet" that states calorie counting does not work?
The internet has many corners, but depending on the kind of weight loss/diet sites you frequent you could be getting that message a lot. The Whole30 people are into it, and that annoying Jonathon Bailer guy who wrote a book on how calories don't matter has been on tons of diet sites and podcasts, and certain segments of the low carb community are into it, and a lot of the "clean" and paleo people in general. I can see how someone would have that impression.
Obviously, it is wrong.0 -
I am surprised that ice cream and pizza were singled out as potentially "unhealthy" choices. Both have lots of good things in them. Both are higher in fat so portions need to be watched. Load up that pizza with veggies and the macro balance is nearly perfect! That fat compensates by being highly satiating however.
Yes. Also, even if you have issues with particular ingredients (like whatever dye or certain kinds of oils) you can get ice cream or pizza that lacks them. I usually get thin crust pizza at a local Italian restaurant with lots of veggies, and find it bizarre that it's "junk" food -- no more so than any pasta dish at the same restaurant (which means no more so than the healthy pasta dishes I make at home).
My only issue with pizza is that I tend to prefer it without meat more often than not and the meat choices are often (not always) more fatty, so that means that I usually have to adjust earlier in the day to meet my protein macro. It's not that hard.0 -
i make my own pizza ( with normal crust)
All fresh veggies...own made tomato paste, fresh Italian spices and herbs. cheeses, mozzarella, olives, meat and anjovis.
yummie scrummie and i dont care how unhealthy it is. Or healthy!
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Haha, this is a pretty cool site I must say.0 -
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47Jacqueline wrote: »I skipped most of the posts because this obviously hit a chord.
In general, I agree with the questions of what is unhealthy about ice cream and pizza. If you've ever watched a pizza being made, you would notice (I'm not sure about Domino's), a bit of olive oil, tomato sauce, and cheese (mozzerella is relatively low fat) on some bread that gets baked in the oven. I am always clueless about what people find unhealthy about that.
those ingredients are fine on their own, but when you mix them together they taste too good. everyone knows that food shouldn't be delicious or enjoyable to eat. if it makes you happy its obviously bad0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Don't forget, this is the same forum where it's widely believed that if you drop some tea leaves into a glass of water, the water stops being water.Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Why, exactly, does having ice cream most likely mean you won't maintain a healthy balance of nutrients?You may lose weight, but you will most likely not have a healthy body otherwise. While a caloric deficit will help you shed pounds, you also need to maintain a healthy balance of nutrients to keep your heart and other muscles functioning properly.
From the USDA:
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/weight-management/better-choices/fewer-calories.html
Regardless of your weight status, empty calories should not be a major part of the diet. For most people, no more than 15% of calories should come from solid fats and added sugars. However, about 35% of the calories Americans typically eat and drink are empty calories. This means that many people choose foods and drinks with TOO MUCH solid fats and added sugars.
Sure you can eat a reasonable amount of ice cream, chips, cookies, etc. But someone trying to lose weight would be best served making sure they know what a serving size is and stay within the 15% suggested for health reasons.
I'm fairly sure there is not a single person on this planet for whom 1 ice cream would consist more than 15% of total calories.
There are 290 calories in a 1/2 cup serving of Ben and Jerry's Chunky Monkey ice cream. 290 calories is a bit over 15% of 1900 calories.
This is interesting. A 1/2 cup of B&J is 100+ grams...a 1/2 cup of, say, Breyers Vanilla ice cream is a bit over half of that - 65g and 130 calories.
The difference is almost certainly all the chunky **** B&J throws in there, none of which is actually "ice cream". So a serving of B&J is like a serving of ice cream plus a Snickers bar.
Which is to say...not an apples to apples comparison....
Well the Ben and Jerry's is generally in the ice cream aisle. My only point was someone needs to know what they are eating and per the USDA recommendation I posted most people should not be eating more than 15% of their calories from solid fats and added sugars.
Except for the part where you used the most calorie dense ice cream available for you example. Oh, and the part where you used the number for the Total Calories to reach your number, not just the number of calories from solid fats and added sugars
If you give someone a bowl of normal ice cream and a Snickers bar, it's two things.
But chop that Snickers bar into pieces and mix it into normal ice cream and somehow what you end up with is still just ice cream?
That's not honest debate...
(not "you" DevPaul)
if i put lemon juice in my water it attains magical liver cleansing properties0 -
yes - but try ice cream alternatives - rice cream, sherberts, Arctic Zero (where you can get it) and many other yummy products so you can also eat really healthy other food items0
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yes - but try ice cream alternatives - rice cream, sherberts, Arctic Zero (where you can get it) and many other yummy products so you can also eat really healthy other food items
I don't know what rice cream is, sherbet is ok, but under no circumstances should you or anyone else waste a single cent on ARCTIC ZERO.
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Oy...if I'm going to use calories for a treat, it's going to be full fat, creamy, sugary deliciousness. With chunkies.
I won't eat the whole pint in one sitting. In fact, the pint tends to last me 5-8 servings.
And, because it was a special holiday weekend: B&J's Americone Dream, because 'murica!
And you can bet it's weighed and logged.
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mistypoison wrote: »Yes, It will work. But you won't end up with a "toned" body.
The type of food someone eats has nothing to do with having a "toned" body. Eating fewer calories than you burn will result in loss of body fat, no matter what those calories consist of. And muscle is created through exercise.
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »yes - but try ice cream alternatives - rice cream, sherberts, Arctic Zero (where you can get it) and many other yummy products so you can also eat really healthy other food items
I don't know what rice cream is, sherbet is ok, but under no circumstances should you or anyone else waste a single cent on ARCTIC ZERO.
But my grandma always fed me cardboard and sadness and it makes me nostalgic for my childhood.0 -
Snickers Ice Cream Bar - 179 calories
Mars Ice Cream Bar - 140 calories
Solero - 94 calories
Fab - 90 calories
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I still eat bread and ice cream every day. I set aside calories for food I enjoy and also eat salad, veg and some fruit every day. I have lost 9 lbs in 4 weeks so it does work. I have 1500 calories a day and usually eat most of the
Is. I do not use calories burned through exercise and I am active every day0 -
Oy...if I'm going to use calories for a treat, it's going to be full fat, creamy, sugary deliciousness. With chunkies.
I won't eat the whole pint in one sitting. In fact, the pint tends to last me 5-8 servings.
And, because it was a special holiday weekend: B&J's Americone Dream, because 'murica!
And you can bet it's weighed and logged.
You. I like you.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I am surprised that ice cream and pizza were singled out as potentially "unhealthy" choices. Both have lots of good things in them. Both are higher in fat so portions need to be watched. Load up that pizza with veggies and the macro balance is nearly perfect! That fat compensates by being highly satiating however.
Yes. Also, even if you have issues with particular ingredients (like whatever dye or certain kinds of oils) you can get ice cream or pizza that lacks them. I usually get thin crust pizza at a local Italian restaurant with lots of veggies, and find it bizarre that it's "junk" food -- no more so than any pasta dish at the same restaurant (which means no more so than the healthy pasta dishes I make at home).
My only issue with pizza is that I tend to prefer it without meat more often than not and the meat choices are often (not always) more fatty, so that means that I usually have to adjust earlier in the day to meet my protein macro. It's not that hard.
That's my issue with it too. I like olives, goat cheese, and pesto on mine along with the veggies. I have a harder time filling my protein macro on pizza days. But it can be done, and my homemade pizza is worth it.
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »yes - but try ice cream alternatives - rice cream, sherberts, Arctic Zero (where you can get it) and many other yummy products so you can also eat really healthy other food items
I don't know what rice cream is, sherbet is ok, but under no circumstances should you or anyone else waste a single cent on ARCTIC ZERO.
So. Much. This.
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barbecuesauce wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »yes - but try ice cream alternatives - rice cream, sherberts, Arctic Zero (where you can get it) and many other yummy products so you can also eat really healthy other food items
I don't know what rice cream is, sherbet is ok, but under no circumstances should you or anyone else waste a single cent on ARCTIC ZERO.
But my grandma always fed me cardboard and sadness and it makes me nostalgic for my childhood.
You win the interwebz.
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Life is too short for bad ice cream. I was waiting for the Arctic Zero card to be played. I'm surprised it took 12 pages for it to happen.
Also, when my daughter was nursing, I had to abstain from dairy because she was sensitive to it. Rice Dream was probably the worst of the substitutes. I think there are better dairy free options for the lactose intolerant/vegans out there. I've heard about some good cashew and coconut based choices.
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How can you tell the new formula from the old stuff? I might try it since someone I trust recommended it.0
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Having "an" ice cream everyday and "just" having ice cream is a big difference. Unless you have a medical need for "soft foods" (ei getting your teeth pulled, tonsils removed, mouth or throat surgery, etc), no one would advocate a diet exclusively of ice cream. Though it would be very tasty and would definitely get you your calories.
But having a serving (or two or three, whatever) of ice cream everyday, so long as it fits in your calorie goal and your macros are decent, there's nothing wrong with that.
Dove has some little mini bars that are 60 calories if you are really hard up on your calories and need an ice cream fix. Good Humor and Klondike both make 100 calorie treats. Regular ice cream in pints and quarts usually run 120-180 calories. Haagen Dasz and Ben & Jerry's usually run 240-340 calories. It's all about moderation, planning and enjoying yourself.0 -
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PeachyCarol wrote: »Life is too short for bad ice cream. I was waiting for the Arctic Zero card to be played. I'm surprised it took 12 pages for it to happen.
Also, when my daughter was nursing, I had to abstain from dairy because she was sensitive to it. Rice Dream was probably the worst of the substitutes. I think there are better dairy free options for the lactose intolerant/vegans out there. I've heard about some good cashew and coconut based choices.
I think the SoDelicious chocolate is pretty good, largely because I love the hint of coconut with the chocolate and the texture is good. I love dairy and have no reason to avoid it, however, so I generally don't bother with non-dairy frozen dessert alternatives.
I would try a cashew one out of curiosity--I seem to eat lots of nut-flavored gelatoes anyway, so it might be something I'd really enjoy. (My suspicion is that one based on lower-calorie cashew milk--basically water strained through nuts--wouldn't be creamy enough, though, and if you added in enough nuts (as seems to be common with recipes I've found where it's basically water blended with nuts) to help with the texture you'd lose any calorie advantage, but I am willing to keep an open mind until I happen upon some.)0
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