If I eat an ice-cream everyday, but stay under the calorie limit, will it still work?
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stevencloser wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »bobby19666 wrote: »NO NO and NO. Sugar raises insulin, so it makes your body store fat. EAT HEALTHY don't try and cheat it. Or you'll suffer in life
And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're in a caloric deficit, you burn more fat than you store and you lose weight.
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And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're eating at maintenance, status quo is maintained.
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And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're eating a caloric surplus, you store excess fat and gain weight.
Honestly, the insulin fear mongering is ridiculous.
I should quote my post about some other "insulin is ebil" post from another thread. I hope I didn't forget anything in that one or said something wrong.Carbohydrates aren't the only thing that makes you produce more insulin. Protein does too.
All carbohydrates produce insulin, not only added sugars.
They usually only consider a single food eaten in isolation. Eating whatever has the sugar in it together with other macros reduces the insulin response. And most foods aren't solely or even mostly made out of sugar.
Insulin doesn't stop fat burning. Your body produces insulin when you've eaten something, when you've eaten something you have available calories, so obviously you aren't burning any bodyfat at that point. That's not insulin's fault and even if you ate only fat (which is the one thing you could eat that would not make you produce insulin), you'd gain fat if you ate too much of it and not burn any.
Lastly, insulin is important for your body. Very important. It is not evil. You need insulin. It regulates the amount of glucose you have in your blood. Too high AND too low blood sugar both are not good for you.
Would you start an insulin information thread? Because I am OVER the sugar and carbs are EBIL because INSULIN bs. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
Every sugar thread that happens, this silly statement gets thrown in, and people are convinced the have problems when the don't because of it.
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do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
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I had ice cream yesterday a payday candy bar earlier in the week and a 20 oz bottle of coke on another day. I ended up under by caloric allowance by an average of 150 calories Mon-Sat and when I weighed myself today I had lost 3 pounds. So it is my understanding you can eat what you want as long as you maintain a caloric deficit.0
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Maybe you could point out where anyone is recommending an unreasonable amount?Packerjohn wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Why, exactly, does having ice cream most likely mean you won't maintain a healthy balance of nutrients?You may lose weight, but you will most likely not have a healthy body otherwise. While a caloric deficit will help you shed pounds, you also need to maintain a healthy balance of nutrients to keep your heart and other muscles functioning properly.
From the USDA:
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/weight-management/better-choices/fewer-calories.html
Regardless of your weight status, empty calories should not be a major part of the diet. For most people, no more than 15% of calories should come from solid fats and added sugars. However, about 35% of the calories Americans typically eat and drink are empty calories. This means that many people choose foods and drinks with TOO MUCH solid fats and added sugars.
Sure you can eat a reasonable amount of ice cream, chips, cookies, etc. But someone trying to lose weight would be best served making sure they know what a serving size is and stay within the 15% suggested for health reasons.
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macgurlnet wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
I was gonna stay out of here but omg. You're suggesting that food can't be fun and healthy and/or make me happy and be healthy?
So somehow my chunky potato soup - which consists of a variety of fresh vegetables, some plain greek yogurt and a diced chicken breast - is bad for me because it makes me happy?
I just.
I have treats almost every single day. I can easily run 4-6 miles. I'm in great health.
If what you're doing works for you, kudos. But insisting it's the right way for everyone is absolute rubbish.
~Lyssa
Whenever someone suggests food shouldn't be fun and only be seen as fuel, my inner cook cries.
I made some awesome curry just yesterday. It's so good I smile after the first bite.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Why, exactly, does having ice cream most likely mean you won't maintain a healthy balance of nutrients?You may lose weight, but you will most likely not have a healthy body otherwise. While a caloric deficit will help you shed pounds, you also need to maintain a healthy balance of nutrients to keep your heart and other muscles functioning properly.
From the USDA:
http://www.choosemyplate.gov/weight-management-calories/weight-management/better-choices/fewer-calories.html
Regardless of your weight status, empty calories should not be a major part of the diet. For most people, no more than 15% of calories should come from solid fats and added sugars. However, about 35% of the calories Americans typically eat and drink are empty calories. This means that many people choose foods and drinks with TOO MUCH solid fats and added sugars.
Sure you can eat a reasonable amount of ice cream, chips, cookies, etc. But someone trying to lose weight would be best served making sure they know what a serving size is and stay within the 15% suggested for health reasons.
I'm fairly sure there is not a single person on this planet for whom 1 ice cream would consist more than 15% of total calories.
Serving size is 1/2 cup (65g) -> 135 calories, which would be 15% of 135/.15 -> 900 calories.
Not that anybody eats that serving size...scale as per personal circumstances...
I eat 50 grams regularly. Silly calorie allowance that I have.
Here's the kicker, I often have enough from exercise to have 100 g (that's a 1/2 cup of gelato, my preferred poison), but I'd rather spend the calories on extra oatmeal or veggies usually.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
Yellow dye is not "cancer causing".
In all seriousness, do you not know what any of these words actually mean?0 -
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UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
No just no.0 -
This cant be real.....
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stevencloser wrote: »macgurlnet wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
I was gonna stay out of here but omg. You're suggesting that food can't be fun and healthy and/or make me happy and be healthy?
So somehow my chunky potato soup - which consists of a variety of fresh vegetables, some plain greek yogurt and a diced chicken breast - is bad for me because it makes me happy?
I just.
I have treats almost every single day. I can easily run 4-6 miles. I'm in great health.
If what you're doing works for you, kudos. But insisting it's the right way for everyone is absolute rubbish.
~Lyssa
Whenever someone suggests food shouldn't be fun and only be seen as fuel, my inner cook cries.
I made some awesome curry just yesterday. It's so good I smile after the first bite.
I don't cook half as much as I would really like to but I have vowed to never just eat something for the sake of eating it, healthy or no. It damn well better be yummy if I'm spending calories on it!
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do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I love it when people just make up their own definitions for words and then act exasperated when others don't know what the hell they are talking about.0 -
No one has attacked you at all, though. Despite your propensity for making up definitions from thin air.Here is another one for you all to attack me about, I believe the less crap food we buy the better because we should be peace loving tree hugging people, live off the earth MAN!
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So, if I have to choose between ice cream and hemlock, I should choose the hemlock because it's a plant?
Makes sense. The Hemlock Diet worked out so well for Socrates.0 -
UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
No. I have two children. One is artificial dye sensitive behaviorially. The other is not.
Sweeping generalizations are rarely universally true.
Also? Kraft is removing yellow dye due to consumer demand, not thanks to any cancer link. If there were really a cancer link, the FDA would have pulled the yellow dye.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
It would behoove you to stop presenting your opinions as facts. You're just digging yourself deeper here.
You used the word behoove....
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UltimateRBF wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
It would behoove you to stop presenting your opinions as facts. You're just digging yourself deeper here.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/kraft-agrees-yellow-dye-mac-cheese/story?id=20745315
That says something completely different than what you said.
Completely different.
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welcome to my life. I have to hit between 3000 and 3500 calories every day. if I take up 1000 of that with a liter of ice cream? I still have another 2000 minimum to use for getting whatever nutrients I need....which, considering there are people who have to eat a lot less than that number every day, is obviously more than enough to do so. Thus, my daily ice cream, when combined with eating everything else I need to (and a buttload of running) is not unhealthy at all.0
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PeachyCarol wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »bobby19666 wrote: »NO NO and NO. Sugar raises insulin, so it makes your body store fat. EAT HEALTHY don't try and cheat it. Or you'll suffer in life
And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're in a caloric deficit, you burn more fat than you store and you lose weight.
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And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're eating at maintenance, status quo is maintained.
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And then you do something like breathe or have your heart beat or wash the dishes... and you burn fat. If you're eating a caloric surplus, you store excess fat and gain weight.
Honestly, the insulin fear mongering is ridiculous.
I should quote my post about some other "insulin is ebil" post from another thread. I hope I didn't forget anything in that one or said something wrong.Carbohydrates aren't the only thing that makes you produce more insulin. Protein does too.
All carbohydrates produce insulin, not only added sugars.
They usually only consider a single food eaten in isolation. Eating whatever has the sugar in it together with other macros reduces the insulin response. And most foods aren't solely or even mostly made out of sugar.
Insulin doesn't stop fat burning. Your body produces insulin when you've eaten something, when you've eaten something you have available calories, so obviously you aren't burning any bodyfat at that point. That's not insulin's fault and even if you ate only fat (which is the one thing you could eat that would not make you produce insulin), you'd gain fat if you ate too much of it and not burn any.
Lastly, insulin is important for your body. Very important. It is not evil. You need insulin. It regulates the amount of glucose you have in your blood. Too high AND too low blood sugar both are not good for you.
Would you start an insulin information thread? Because I am OVER the sugar and carbs are EBIL because INSULIN bs. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
Every sugar thread that happens, this silly statement gets thrown in, and people are convinced the have problems when the don't because of it.
I don't actually know much more than what I wrote in my post. I'd like it if I could write something long and exhaustive like the aspartame thread had, but my knowledge is a bit lacking. If someone else would like to though, they can go ahead.0 -
UltimateRBF wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
It would behoove you to stop presenting your opinions as facts. You're just digging yourself deeper here.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/kraft-agrees-yellow-dye-mac-cheese/story?id=20745315
That doesn't say Kraft was banned from using yellow dye (at least in the U.S.), it says they voluntarily changed the recipe. There's a difference.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »
do i know what toxin means? Well for myself its anything not natural in food. The long term effect on most ingredients havent been shown yet but you will be warned about caramel coloring and yellow dyes causing cancer. Is that not toxic?stevencloser wrote: »
+1lemonsnowdrop wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
Do you know what the word "toxin" means?
I thought red food dye was the toxic one. Dangnabit I can't keep up with what's going to kill me anymore.
seriously? Kraft was banned from using yellow dye because it is cancer causing, also if you have kids have you not noticed them bouncing off the walls after eating food colored cereals etc. this is just my experience so if asked by someone I would say stay away from food coloring if you can. Thats all I'm saying.
Kraft chose to remove yellow dye voluntarily due to public pressure. Whatever sources you're reading, I think you need to double-check some of them.
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"I drank what?"booksandchocolate12 wrote: »So, if I have to choose between ice cream and hemlock, I should choose the hemlock because it's a plant?
Makes sense. The Hemlock Diet worked out so well for Socrates.
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Here is another one for you all to attack me about, I believe the less crap food we buy the better because we should be peace loving tree hugging people, live off the earth MAN!
Ohhh now I get it. You are a toxin fearing, clean eating, off the grid survivalist? I asked earlier, do you not shop at a grocery store?
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macgurlnet wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »macgurlnet wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
It's hard to rebut an opinion. That's why everyone keeps asking you for evidence to support what you're saying. If your support is "that's just my opinion" or "common sense," that's fine, I suppose, but those are rather unpersuasive justifications as compared to using actual science.i actually had someone on here personally msg me about my comments calling me a troll. Everyone should be allowed an opinion and the other party allowed to rebut their opinion, but lets be nice here.
Evidence, I just guess I go off of what I believe and that is eating healthy is good...I mean I have seen studies on how your body doesnt process sugar well when in high quantities and rises your insulin turning it into fat. I just thought that was the case. I must be wrong and you are ALL right
Yep, we are. Still waiting to hear about which toxins you speak of.
And let's just be super duper clear. If you are eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what the makeup of your food is, your body will not permanently store calories as fat. That's the crux of how any and all weight loss programs work. If you eat a lot of sugar then your body may temporarily convert the sugar to fat, but if you are eating in a deficit...it'll need to use that fat storage to run your body. It's a simple equation that you keep wanting to make complicated.
I also think it's sad that your head decides that ice cream is not healthy. Of course you already said that is mainly because you lack the skill of portion control. However that doesn't make it inherently unhealthy. I wonder how sad your food log must be.
I like my food log lol I enjoy a lot of blueberries and grapefruit actually lol. The toxins I'm thinking of uhhhh lets see palm oil, soybeanoil, all the dyes especially yellow. This is just a few, I never said no to icecream lol just not everyday. Equation? why not just eat healthy isnt that easier than trying to make food fun or make you happy.
I was gonna stay out of here but omg. You're suggesting that food can't be fun and healthy and/or make me happy and be healthy?
So somehow my chunky potato soup - which consists of a variety of fresh vegetables, some plain greek yogurt and a diced chicken breast - is bad for me because it makes me happy?
I just.
I have treats almost every single day. I can easily run 4-6 miles. I'm in great health.
If what you're doing works for you, kudos. But insisting it's the right way for everyone is absolute rubbish.
~Lyssa
Whenever someone suggests food shouldn't be fun and only be seen as fuel, my inner cook cries.
I made some awesome curry just yesterday. It's so good I smile after the first bite.
I don't cook half as much as I would really like to but I have vowed to never just eat something for the sake of eating it, healthy or no. It damn well better be yummy if I'm spending calories on it!
~Lyssa
I'm interested in this chunky potato soup recipe. I'd vegetarianize it. You had me at "potato" and "Greek yogurt".
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