DEAR FAT PEOPLE
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buffalobill41 wrote: »Yes tomatoey, pathetic is the word. Just because something is a societal norm doesn't mean you aren't f***ing up. Healthcare, access to information, and availability of cheap healthy food are all at virtually an all time high in this country. Just because we have more entertaining sedentary activities and some ridiculously unhealthy food choices doesn't make people blameless. If you didn't know that ice cream cake and the new bacon wrapped bacon, butter, cheese, and bacon sandwich were unhealthy than you aren't very bright. This is why our country is falling behind because we just sit there and play the victim and act like it's some kind of patriotic freedom to be gluttonous, lazy, and ignorant. This is not meant to be an attack on obese people, everyone has their reasons and struggles but to act like it's not their fault because of society is like saying i literally can't go to the movies without checking facebook during the show.
While I don't agree with everything tomatoey has posted, I do know that no one is saying that obese people have no responsibility for their condition, only that there are larger, social structures at play to consider. Society and psychology have their part in the discussion - it doesn't mean that we absolve someone of their personal responsibility, only that we acknowledge human struggle. After all, can't we better help people to get well and stay well if we understand all the factors that made them unwell? Approaching it purely from a "you did this to yourself, now pull yourself up" approach (while absolutely true) doesn't seem to help the majority.
More like, "you did this to yourself, so you have the power to undo it"
I see nothing about what I said that prohibits the person having power to undo it? Not to mention the sentence you quoted has a disclaimer stating that I agree with the general sentiment - just not the approach. I'm not sure what your disagreement with my post is. If you've read anything I've posted, I am firmly in the camp of understanding all variables so you can best help the person help themselves. If you have no interest in helping and just want to tell people they are responsible, that's also fine. My training is in clinical research, so I would prefer to see the whole picture (or as much of it as possible) to find the best approach/method.0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yeah, i mean we pretty much agree, just a couple of the things she said kind of set me off. I just really hate blaming society to even a small degree for this or anything, people are responsible for their own actions. I'm mostly a bleeding heart liberal but that's one issue where i'm very conservative. In some ways modern society makes it easier to be obese but in virtually every practical way it's easier than ever to not be.
You're right - I think we are mostly in agreement. I can appreciate the frustration at having people blame society, because that is unfortunately very prevalent also.0 -
I have read a few posts on each page and fail to see one thing pointed out...over eating, like drinking drugging smoking is just another way we *as people* self medicate. Is it possible to think that NOT TALKING ABOUT IT keeps us *as people* where we are ...we are as sick as our secrets. These addictions need attention and although I don't agree with meanness about them...I do agree we need to talk about and address the ways we use food drugs booze smoking etc to self medicate. I did NOT watch the video there was no need to the feedback was enough to help me to choose not too watch it. I get the feeling the video is like a train wreck you can't NOT WATCH. rubberneckers cause traffic jams...look at the amount of posts about this crazy video. apparently we love reality tv .............and videos!0
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Fat people are becoming a force to be reckonned with. They are after all 70% of America. You can't say boo without some backlash. One of these days, the tables will turn and it's us the skinny (ie. normal sized) minority who will start to be concerned. If I'm going for an interview and my interviewer is really overweight, should I even begin to entertain any concerns that my relative thinness will be a disadvantage? Especially after she's recently watched the dear fat people video and feelings are still a bit raw? I hope I'm just being ridiculous to think this could become an actual thing.0
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Ah dang. There's a McDonald's over there. I know I'm 350 pounds, but they make some awesome burgers. yes my heart aches, yes I have high blood pressure, yes my ankles are swollen, yes I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, but who cares!! I can get two Whoppers for the price of one salad! So it's McDonalds fault for making burgers cheap and salads expensive! That's why I'm fat. Say what?? I can upgrade to a large for only a fifty cents!! Hell yeah!!0
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oh and the video sucks. not even talking about the mean content or whatever. it's just poorly paced, not funny and poorly made in general. she is not an entertaining person.0
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Hahaha! but you don't know me. I could be on a weight loss plan, you don't know if I was 500, maybe it's my 'cheat day' and my whopper 'fits my macros'. Maybe it's the heart meds and diabetes and blood pressure meds that are making me fat. You don't know. Have you seen my family? It's genetics! And also hormones, which are probably jacked up coz I'm fat but still....the point is, you don't know, so you can't judge and fat-shame me. You're not with me 24-7 seeing how hard I try and all the diets I've tried.....et cetera, et cetera...Ah dang. There's a McDonald's over there. I know I'm 350 pounds, but they make some awesome burgers. yes my heart aches, yes I have high blood pressure, yes my ankles are swollen, yes I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, but who cares!! I can get two Whoppers for the price of one salad! So it's McDonalds fault for making burgers cheap and salads expensive! That's why I'm fat. Say what?? I can upgrade to a large for only a fifty cents!! Hell yeah!!-1 -
Traveler120 wrote: »Fat people are becoming a force to be reckonned with. They are after all 70% of America. You can't say boo without some backlash. One of these days, the tables will turn and it's us the skinny (ie. normal sized) minority who will start to be concerned. If I'm going for an interview and my interviewer is really overweight, should I even begin to entertain any concerns that my relative thinness will be a disadvantage? Especially after she's recently watched the dear fat people video and feelings are still a bit raw? I hope I'm just being ridiculous to think this could become an actual thing.
o I absolutely agree. the promotions in my office by and large fit a profile. large
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Ah dang. There's a McDonald's over there. I know I'm 350 pounds, but they make some awesome burgers. yes my heart aches, yes I have high blood pressure, yes my ankles are swollen, yes I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, but who cares!! I can get two Whoppers for the price of one salad! So it's McDonalds fault for making burgers cheap and salads expensive! That's why I'm fat. Say what?? I can upgrade to a large for only a fifty cents!! Hell yeah!!
This has me ROARING with laughter! Thanks!!0 -
Ah dang. There's a McDonald's over there. I know I'm 350 pounds, but they make some awesome burgers. yes my heart aches, yes I have high blood pressure, yes my ankles are swollen, yes I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, but who cares!! I can get two Whoppers for the price of one salad! So it's McDonalds fault for making burgers cheap and salads expensive! That's why I'm fat. Say what?? I can upgrade to a large for only a fifty cents!! Hell yeah!!
Tsk, tsk. First off - you get Whoppers from Burger King, not McD's. McD's has Big Macs. And it's .99 to upgrade to large, not .50. That just covers a measly medium.
But on that note, mmmmm whoppers.... You know you want The King.
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melodicraven wrote: »Ah dang. There's a McDonald's over there. I know I'm 350 pounds, but they make some awesome burgers. yes my heart aches, yes I have high blood pressure, yes my ankles are swollen, yes I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, but who cares!! I can get two Whoppers for the price of one salad! So it's McDonalds fault for making burgers cheap and salads expensive! That's why I'm fat. Say what?? I can upgrade to a large for only a fifty cents!! Hell yeah!!
Tsk, tsk. First off - you get Whoppers from Burger King, not McD's. McD's has Big Macs. And it's .99 to upgrade to large, not .50. That just covers a measly medium.
But on that note, mmmmm whoppers.... You know you want The King.
LOL
Yes, I so want the king. Sooo smexy! (sarcasm)0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yeah, i mean we pretty much agree, just a couple of the things she said kind of set me off. I just really hate blaming society to even a small degree for this or anything, people are responsible for their own actions. I'm mostly a bleeding heart liberal but that's one issue where i'm very conservative. In some ways modern society makes it easier to be obese but in virtually every practical way it's easier than ever to not be.
If it helps you to think that way, ok. Good luck to you.0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yes tomatoey, pathetic is the word. Just because something is a societal norm doesn't mean you aren't f***ing up. Healthcare, access to information, and availability of cheap healthy food are all at virtually an all time high in this country. Just because we have more entertaining sedentary activities and some ridiculously unhealthy food choices doesn't make people blameless. If you didn't know that ice cream cake and the new bacon wrapped bacon, butter, cheese, and bacon sandwich were unhealthy than you aren't very bright. This is why our country is falling behind because we just sit there and play the victim and act like it's some kind of patriotic freedom to be gluttonous, lazy, and ignorant. This is not meant to be an attack on obese people, everyone has their reasons and struggles but to act like it's not their fault because of society is like saying i literally can't go to the movies without checking facebook during the show.
That is not why your country is falling behind, lol
Also why have you named yourself after a fictional serial killer0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yes tomatoey, pathetic is the word. Just because something is a societal norm doesn't mean you aren't f***ing up. Healthcare, access to information, and availability of cheap healthy food are all at virtually an all time high in this country. Just because we have more entertaining sedentary activities and some ridiculously unhealthy food choices doesn't make people blameless. If you didn't know that ice cream cake and the new bacon wrapped bacon, butter, cheese, and bacon sandwich were unhealthy than you aren't very bright. This is why our country is falling behind because we just sit there and play the victim and act like it's some kind of patriotic freedom to be gluttonous, lazy, and ignorant. This is not meant to be an attack on obese people, everyone has their reasons and struggles but to act like it's not their fault because of society is like saying i literally can't go to the movies without checking facebook during the show.
While I don't agree with everything tomatoey has posted, I do know that no one is saying that obese people have no responsibility for their condition, only that there are larger, social structures at play to consider. Society and psychology have their part in the discussion - it doesn't mean that we absolve someone of their personal responsibility, only that we acknowledge human struggle. After all, can't we better help people to get well and stay well if we understand all the factors that made them unwell? Approaching it purely from a "you did this to yourself, now pull yourself up" approach (while absolutely true) doesn't seem to help the majority.
More like, "you did this to yourself, so you have the power to undo it"
What about, "now that you have the required knowledge and skills, you have the power to undo the effects of this complex phenomenon on your body"0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yes tomatoey, pathetic is the word. Just because something is a societal norm doesn't mean you aren't f***ing up. Healthcare, access to information, and availability of cheap healthy food are all at virtually an all time high in this country. Just because we have more entertaining sedentary activities and some ridiculously unhealthy food choices doesn't make people blameless. If you didn't know that ice cream cake and the new bacon wrapped bacon, butter, cheese, and bacon sandwich were unhealthy than you aren't very bright. This is why our country is falling behind because we just sit there and play the victim and act like it's some kind of patriotic freedom to be gluttonous, lazy, and ignorant. This is not meant to be an attack on obese people, everyone has their reasons and struggles but to act like it's not their fault because of society is like saying i literally can't go to the movies without checking facebook during the show.
While I don't agree with everything tomatoey has posted, I do know that no one is saying that obese people have no responsibility for their condition, only that there are larger, social structures at play to consider. Society and psychology have their part in the discussion - it doesn't mean that we absolve someone of their personal responsibility, only that we acknowledge human struggle. After all, can't we better help people to get well and stay well if we understand all the factors that made them unwell? Approaching it purely from a "you did this to yourself, now pull yourself up" approach (while absolutely true) doesn't seem to help the majority.
More like, "you did this to yourself, so you have the power to undo it"
What about, "now that you have the required knowledge and skills, you have the power to undo the effects of this complex phenomenon on your body"
It's not complex. Too much food goes in, person becomes overweight. Simple.0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Yes tomatoey, pathetic is the word. Just because something is a societal norm doesn't mean you aren't f***ing up. Healthcare, access to information, and availability of cheap healthy food are all at virtually an all time high in this country. Just because we have more entertaining sedentary activities and some ridiculously unhealthy food choices doesn't make people blameless. If you didn't know that ice cream cake and the new bacon wrapped bacon, butter, cheese, and bacon sandwich were unhealthy than you aren't very bright. This is why our country is falling behind because we just sit there and play the victim and act like it's some kind of patriotic freedom to be gluttonous, lazy, and ignorant. This is not meant to be an attack on obese people, everyone has their reasons and struggles but to act like it's not their fault because of society is like saying i literally can't go to the movies without checking facebook during the show.
While I don't agree with everything tomatoey has posted, I do know that no one is saying that obese people have no responsibility for their condition, only that there are larger, social structures at play to consider. Society and psychology have their part in the discussion - it doesn't mean that we absolve someone of their personal responsibility, only that we acknowledge human struggle. After all, can't we better help people to get well and stay well if we understand all the factors that made them unwell? Approaching it purely from a "you did this to yourself, now pull yourself up" approach (while absolutely true) doesn't seem to help the majority.
More like, "you did this to yourself, so you have the power to undo it"
What about, "now that you have the required knowledge and skills, you have the power to undo the effects of this complex phenomenon on your body"
It's not for me, because I do not believe the knowledge and skills are all that elusive
But I see where you're coming from
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Society made me name myself after a fictional serial killer, just like it is responsible for all of my problems. You still haven't actually explained your theory behind this.0
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The head of my weight loss clinic has weighed in on the comments made on this video.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2213280/dear-fat-shamers-dispelling-obesity-myths/0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Society made me name myself after a fictional serial killer, just like it is responsible for all of my problems. You still haven't actually explained your theory behind this.
You're so charming0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »Society made me name myself after a fictional serial killer, just like it is responsible for all of my problems. You still haven't actually explained your theory behind this.
A number of explanations exist, these are not my theories. You can look into "causes of obesity" if you're at all interested.0 -
The head of my weight loss clinic has weighed in on the comments made on this video.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2213280/dear-fat-shamers-dispelling-obesity-myths/
While reading this, my first thought was that it comes across professional and sensible. However, I also thought that this reply is made by someone who is making his living by treating those who are suffering with obesity, and perhaps that is why I also had a sense that all of his counter-points seem (to me) to suggest an absolution of obese people from all personal contributions and responsibilities, regarding their health and weight.
I'll be the first to admit, though, that this is probably my perception due to my own experiences with very close (and very important) family members who are obese, unhealthy, medicated, suffering, yet cling to articles such as this one. The family member I am thinking of, after having a heart-to-heart talk about fears and worries about his health (which is diet-related) has actually handed me print articles of this exact nature, and said, "See? I can't help it." But yes, he can help it. He won't help it, and it is killing him, which will absolutely tear apart our family.
I'm not supporting fat-shaming (or any kind of shaming, for that matter) in any way, however, I think swinging too far towards enabling is just as detrimental.0 -
justrollme wrote: »The head of my weight loss clinic has weighed in on the comments made on this video.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2213280/dear-fat-shamers-dispelling-obesity-myths/
While reading this, my first thought was that it comes across professional and sensible. However, I also thought that this reply is made by someone who is making his living by treating those who are suffering with obesity, and perhaps that is why I also had a sense that all of his counter-points seem (to me) to suggest an absolution of obese people from all personal contributions and responsibilities, regarding their health and weight.
I'll be the first to admit, though, that this is probably my perception due to my own experiences with very close (and very important) family members who are obese, unhealthy, medicated, suffering, yet cling to articles such as this one. The family member I am thinking of, after having a heart-to-heart talk about fears and worries about his health (which is diet-related) has actually handed me print articles of this exact nature, and said, "See? I can't help it." But yes, he can help it. He won't help it, and it is killing him, which will absolutely tear apart our family.
I'm not supporting fat-shaming (or any kind of shaming, for that matter) in any way, however, I think swinging too far towards enabling is just as detrimental.
I read the article and thought the exact same thing! I was very confused with the comparison to depression, didn't jive with me personally. Anyway you said everything I was thinking much better than I ever could have.0 -
If you don't have the info that's fine.0
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justrollme wrote: »The head of my weight loss clinic has weighed in on the comments made on this video.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2213280/dear-fat-shamers-dispelling-obesity-myths/
While reading this, my first thought was that it comes across professional and sensible. However, I also thought that this reply is made by someone who is making his living by treating those who are suffering with obesity, and perhaps that is why I also had a sense that all of his counter-points seem (to me) to suggest an absolution of obese people from all personal contributions and responsibilities, regarding their health and weight.
I'll be the first to admit, though, that this is probably my perception due to my own experiences with very close (and very important) family members who are obese, unhealthy, medicated, suffering, yet cling to articles such as this one. The family member I am thinking of, after having a heart-to-heart talk about fears and worries about his health (which is diet-related) has actually handed me print articles of this exact nature, and said, "See? I can't help it." But yes, he can help it. He won't help it, and it is killing him, which will absolutely tear apart our family.
I'm not supporting fat-shaming (or any kind of shaming, for that matter) in any way, however, I think swinging too far towards enabling is just as detrimental.
I agree that the statements in under "Myth #1" seemed a little light on the personal responsibility side, but I'm hoping it was from the cutting out of certain things from the interview to make it coherent. I can easily see where someone would make that argument, but I think he was getting at that it can be a little more complicated than eat less, move more when you're having to figure out something like thyroid levels, for instance.
Of course, this will be a minority of the general population, but worth noting, I think. But at the end of the day, after the thyroid levels and meds are figured out, it is eat less and move more!
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buffalobill41 wrote: »If you don't have the info that's fine.
I'm not interested in educating a hostile 28 y/o man who named himself after a fictional serial killer. The information is out there, find it if you're curious.0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »If you don't have the info that's fine.
I'm not interested in educating a hostile 28 y/o man who named himself after a fictional serial killer. The information is out there, find it if you're curious.
I'm just going to throw out there that Buffalo Bill was also the guy known for "Wild West" shows. So, not just a fictional serial killer.
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buffalobill41 wrote: »Didn't realize i was so hostile, i'll ease it back. So to summarize you're right, i'm wrong and there's information out there somewhere on the internet that proves it you just don't want to show me? Sounds good, oh and are you a size 14?
I am 5'7" tall, 135 lbs, size 4-6 in mall stores.0 -
buffalobill41 wrote: »If you don't have the info that's fine.
I'm not interested in educating a hostile 28 y/o man who named himself after a fictional serial killer. The information is out there, find it if you're curious.
I'm just going to throw out there that Buffalo Bill was also the guy known for "Wild West" shows. So, not just a fictional serial killer.
Yeah, I guess that's a possible inspiration. Doubt it0 -
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