DEAR FAT PEOPLE
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She's an air head with a filthy mouth.0
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Whitney Thore's rebuttal video at least doesn't rely on the f-word every other sentence - a sure sign of lazy and banal "humor."0
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Kimegatron wrote: »Yeah, I have been on there with a few comments. She's a gross human, and she's trying WAY too hard to be Jenna Marbles... Except Jenna actually comes off funny, and doesn't single out any group of people in a horrible way, or in a negative way. This chick says that there is no such thing as fat shaming, and that making fun of fat people enough means that she is helping them to lose. The comments from her like-minded peers are equally as disgusting.
Exactly what I though, she's trying to be Jenna Marbles..... She's just mean.0 -
I wish someone would throat punch her dumb *kitten*.0
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Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.0 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »Whitney Thore's rebuttal video at least doesn't rely on the f-word every other sentence - a sure sign of lazy and banal "humor."
She also didn't start it with a comment not knowing if what she found in her hair was hair spray or semen....but it is of course ethereal fat lady who is disgusting, right?
Ugh that blonde woman is just heinous. I liked Whitney's rebuttal very much. It certainly bespoke more intelligence in two minutes than the blonde woman (can't remember her name, don't really care to) could do in a lifetime.
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rosnigetsfit wrote: »I found this video on youtube about a person talking about fat people. Watcha guys think? People may see it both in positive and negative way. Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXFgNhyP4-Aafatpersonwholikesfood wrote: »Dear Random YouTube Narcissist #1,656,656,767 (and people on this forum who are wrong but will never get it because they enjoy a false moral high ground from this issue) -
I am one of the group whom you so broadly addressed in your video. If you don't like the term fat-shaming, that's fine. Let's just call it people moralizing adipose tissue and feeling superior due to having less of it. Off the top of my head, I can think of three different employers who made my weight an issue. I'll just mention two.
One told me that they liked to promote an image of health and asked me if I was planning on losing weight. I was 20 pounds overweight at the time. The job was retail. Yes, I could fit into the clothes they were selling. No, it wasn't Abercrombie. I decided not to take it.
The other, a pharmacy, refused to even take my application. I kept being told they had no opening despite a sign looking for people. I went in to check on the position for weeks. I had to go to another manager to submit my app and be interviewed. He hired me the same day on the spot because they were in dire need of help right then and there. He was so pleased that someone decent (in his words) had actually come in wanting the job. The other manager didn't like that, and he made my time there a living hell. He left the help wanted sign up, eventually hired another person, and then told me I was lazy and fired me. I contacted the district manager, but there was never a resolution. To this day, I will not shop there.
Let's talk about a date night incident. Imagine you're out at the movies with your boyfriend or husband. You're wearing your favorite outfit and feeling sexy and flirty. As you walk up the theater steps to take your seat, a group of rowdy teens start throwing popcorn and mooing at you. Or you're having a girl's day with your mom and sisters. Some guys in a truck single you out as the only fat girl in the group and start shouting all sorts of random things at you in front of your family.
Imagine you're a teenage girl and your car gets stuck in mud out on a strange country road. A good friend calls someone he knows in the area to come help you. They pull up, see that you are a fat girl and not a "hot chick", and leave you stranded, stating that they would never have come if they had known.
Hilarious, right? That's not shaming at all. It's totally deserved. It's totally motivating. Surely, that made me want to lose weight. Oh, right. No, it didn't. You can say, "But wait, these people were *kitten*." Well, sure. But they specifically were *kitten* to me for one reason - I'm a fat person.
How about taking your elderly, disabled and normal weight father grocery shopping? Imagine he must have a motorized cart. You leave him on a bench to search for one. You find an employee, ask for a cart, get looked up and down, and are told curtly, "There are none right now." You're older and wiser and no longer give a *kitten*, so you tell them your father is old and ailing and has been waiting long enough as it is, and they immediately change their tune, and lo and behold, a motorized cart (now that it is known it is not for your fat *kitten*!) appears 30 seconds later - literally driven to your dad by the clerk. Let's assume for a second that it was for your fat *kitten*. Let's assume that your fat *kitten* has a legitimate disability. You would have been denied that cart.
There are fat models out there. They model clothes that other fat women buy. Makes sense to me. That is the point of a model, yes? One of them was recently singled out. The comments were that she was a bad example to other women. She should not be in print. She should not be wearing sexy lingerie or beautiful clothes. She was normalizing fat. Basically, she should lose her career and income because she is fat; she should not be seen because she is fat, and she should not wear nice things because she is fat. Somehow, the people making these comments don't understand that is the essence of their words.
When a doctor withholds treatment or makes the wrong diagnosis because all they see is an obese patient who needs to lose weight, is that okay? When a doctor doesn't listen to a patient's symptoms or treats them as subhuman, is that all right? My current doctor is all about fitness and is thrilled with my current weight loss. She still listens and treats me like a person, and she actually runs tests and checks my health out. I could have seen my old doctor for strep throat, and he would have prescribed weight loss instead of antibiotics and never taken so much as a throat swab.
There have been studies done on external motivation and shame. It simply doesn't work that way. Sorry. There have been surveys of medical professionals. They actually admit to treatment bias in fat people. You mention loving your body in your video by treating it well. Does it not occur to you that by being ashamed of your body and disliking yourself or your body, you are less likely to treat it well? Isn't that only logical?
By the way, fitness is not a moral imperative. Health is not a moral imperative. In fact, while there are definitely things we can do to hurt or improve our health or quality of life, there's never a guarantee. No one gets out alive. Health is a condition and a state of being. Fat is a substance. It's not good or bad. Do you believe adults have the right to make their own healthcare choices? Do you believe that you, as an adult, have the right to bodily autonomy - i.e. choosing who touches you, who has sex with you, contraception, DNR/living wills? If so, then you certainly must believe you get to choose what and how much you eat or don't eat, and here's a key concept - your body (like my body) is not other people's business.
You know what got me motivated to tackle my weight again this time around? I finally reached the age where I stopped worrying as much about what the world thought. I'm happy and well-adjusted and have plenty of people who actually matter in my life. I realized that being fat is actually okay. I accepted myself. Yup, I said it. Deal with it. What was not okay was the way I felt physically because of the amount of extra weight and lack of regular exercise. I don't care about reaching a normal BMI. I just want to be at a weight that feels physically comfortable for me, and I'm not there yet. I never did it strictly for myself before, and I think there's a chance that's why I never maintained for long.
Human beings should be treated with dignity and respect, period. The golden rule, right? Unless you're a pedophile. Otherwise, yes. All human beings - fat or thin. It doesn't matter if "it's their own fault for being so fat." I'm not pulling out a fat card. I'm not saying that I want some sort of fat affirmative action akin to race. If anything, I want less government intrusion all the way around. I'm just saying that fat people, especially women and especially kids and teenage girls, have to put up with a lot of *kitten*. The fact is that it is absolutely a socially acceptable prejudice. If only I could go back in time and give my younger self some love and confidence, I would have dealt with some of it a lot differently.
And for those that often berate fat people for lacking self-control and willpower, I offer up this tongue-in-cheek thought to you, though not originally my own - consider that they haven't killed you yet. Ok, maybe the Frankenstein running bit was kinda funny, but over a short distance, we could potentially be very dangerous.
With-love-and-cupcakes-and-a-*kitten*-you-very-much-with-fries,
afatpersonwholikesfood
P.S. The fat guy on the plane probably didn't like being squished any more than you did. Most with the funds would happily buy two seats like the airlines require to avoid that situation. I feel it is also important to point out that airline seats have actually decreased in size since the 1960's - more profit for them. Airlines are not entirely innocent in this.
I know everyone is talking about the video, but these things that happened to you, I just want to slap the *kitten* outta some people for you. Even at my highest, I felt bad about myself but I don't think anyone really made fun of me, and if I was mooed at by teenagers I probably would have grabbed the nearest one and scared the crap of of their friends. (i'm fierce like that, or redneck lol)
And now to this video, no matter how much you dog someone, until they are ready to make the change, it ain't happening. Alcoholics, drug addicts, abusers of fill in the blank, it simply isn't going to make them want it more if you make them hate themselves more.0 -
What was the backlash like on her channel (and I guess outside of it)?0
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http://www.people.com/article/nicole-arbour-fat-shaming-whitney-thore-youtube-video?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemagWhat was the backlash like on her channel (and I guess outside of it)?
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Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.0 -
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Even if true, I don't see how it addresses the fact that you fundamentally didn't understand what the person was saying because you want to call it an excuse.Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
I also don't know what pica has to do with anything.
I don't recall her ever saying she wouldn't have gained weight without a calorie surplus, but I'll admit I wasn't giving the video my undivided attention.0 -
I just think that people dress up the fact they are cruel with excuses and labels.
So I'll be cruel to a certain religion or fat people or ginger haired people or skin colours for XYZ reason that I feel justifies it.
Too me they are just cruel.0 -
I'm fat and not offended by anything she said, she's just really annoying and not funny so I couldn't get further than about halfway through the video. She wants attention, and she's getting it.0
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UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.0 -
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...Do people really have this much time on their hands to make videos about something that is ultimately none of their business? Honestly, unless you're a part of that person's medical team (and the patient hasn't expressed wishes to not discuss weight), then it's none of your business.
I gave up after 1:28 minutes of pure bigotry.
Yeah sorry people get to a certain weight and its negligence not to mention it. And when you are mega obese and I'm having to lift you because your unhealthy lifestyle has landed you in an ICU, it's my business and you will hear about it. Especially when you snark me out for not being able to move 300 lbs by myself fast enough. Obesity is a massive health concern and you should want a health care team that addresses it with you.
Obesity is a massive health concern but addressing it by shaming people is not going to work. Most obese people already know they have a problem and do not want unsolicited advice. There is a big difference between humiliating someone about their weight or having a medical team, presumably hired by the obese person addressing the issue. It sounds like you might work in the medical field; are your employers cool with you fat shaming the patients?
I guess I also blood pressure shame when I treat hypertension and pain shame when I administer pain medications?
Interesting-Is your name Nurse Cratchit by any chance?0 -
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Who is this annoying woman who just stole a minute and twenty seven seconds of my life?0
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sashayoung72 wrote: »http://www.people.com/article/nicole-arbour-fat-shaming-whitney-thore-youtube-video?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemagWhat was the backlash like on her channel (and I guess outside of it)?
Thanks.
She thinks what she's doing is satire, that's pretty funny.0 -
Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.0 -
Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.
sorry, i may have mis-read the sentence in bold... But if overweight people didn't make themselves overweight, then who did? Of course barring the obligatory medical conditions....
I, myself, me and only me made myself overweight... why?? Because I ate too much! I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself :huh:
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christinev297 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.
sorry, i may have mis-read the sentence in bold... But if overweight people didn't make themselves overweight, then who did? Of course barring the obligatory medical conditions....
I, myself, me and only me made myself overweight... why?? Because I ate too much! I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself :huh:
Because of some of the things people have talked about in this thread
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239541/does-just-immigrating-to-the-usa-lead-to-weight-gain#latest0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.
sorry, i may have mis-read the sentence in bold... But if overweight people didn't make themselves overweight, then who did? Of course barring the obligatory medical conditions....
I, myself, me and only me made myself overweight... why?? Because I ate too much! I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself :huh:
Because of some of the things people have talked about in this thread
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239541/does-just-immigrating-to-the-usa-lead-to-weight-gain#latest
I'd say it is a levels of analysis problem. On the scale of making a society or the world healthier, all those things are influences and worth policy discussion. That's a macro level discussion.
If you're on the MFP board looking to discuss your own personal weight loss, I'd hold that at that micro level, you have to view it as personal accountability. If you're not willing to admit over eating is the fundamental cause, and eating less than you burn until you reach your desired weight is the only fundamental solution, you're incredibly unlikely to succeed.0 -
I think she is 100% right. And I'm a fat person.
Maybe that is why nobody on this forum likes me...lol0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.
sorry, i may have mis-read the sentence in bold... But if overweight people didn't make themselves overweight, then who did? Of course barring the obligatory medical conditions....
I, myself, me and only me made myself overweight... why?? Because I ate too much! I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself :huh:
Because of some of the things people have talked about in this thread
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239541/does-just-immigrating-to-the-usa-lead-to-weight-gain#latest
I'd say it is a levels of analysis problem. On the scale of making a society or the world healthier, all those things are influences and worth policy discussion. That's a macro level discussion.
If you're on the MFP board looking to discuss your own personal weight loss, I'd hold that at that micro level, you have to view it as personal accountability. If you're not willing to admit over eating is the fundamental cause, and eating less than you burn until you reach your desired weight is the only fundamental solution, you're incredibly unlikely to succeed.
Those are different levels of analysis, but I don't think they're contradictory, and I don't know, I don't have a problem recognizing both how stacked the deck is, and how functioning in an unthinking way leads to obesity so often (and did in my case, as well), and that I gained the knowledge required to come out of that default state (a state of ignorance) and lose weight. I found weight loss empowering, certainly, but I didn't feel the need to blame or feel bad about myself for having been overweight at all. It was like coming out of a cave, and it's not like I put myself in that cave.
And someone will say, "yeah but duh you weren't ignorant before, you are just making excuses, everyone knows you just need to eat less and move more", but it's one thing to know that intellectually, and it's a completely different thing to apply that principle to your day to day habits. To look at the pasta dish you've been eating for lunch for three years and understand that "holy crap that is over half of what I need to be eating" and experiment with alternatives that won't make you want to kill your colleagues and that will still be tasty and get you where you need to go on the scale. To be able to eyeball the volume of a portion of rice served at a restaurant within a reasonable margin of error. To learn how to negotiate birthdays and work dinners, etc - it takes months of hard work and learning and trial and error for people to really groove that knowledge in, against a tide. All of that is stuff that doesn't just come naturally.0 -
I was really only upset because she talked *kitten* about The Walking Dead. Other than that, not offended or hurt. Is she a bit insensitive? Yeah, but so are a lot of people in the world.
I wasn't born obese, I made myself this way by eating WAY more calories than I needed. It took me a LONG time to put all the math together and to take it seriously and to make the effort to change. This video would not have been a catalyst for me to change and I don't see it as being a catalyst for other people either, but crazier things have happened.
I wish I could fit Starbucks into my daily calories. Even at maintenance, it will be a real treat for me. #LovePumpkinSpiceLatte0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Traveler120 wrote: »Whitney Way Thore made a great rebuttal video if anyone is interested in viewing it.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2YYZBrPwwU
What a bunch of ridiculous justifications for being fat. PCOS or not, you don't get fat without stuffing garbage into your body or eating to excess. People just want/expect others to make them feel better about their bad habits. This kind of attitude is what makes the original video even more fitting.
Pretty sure she said PCOS was not the sole reason she gained weight. She mentioned it because the original video said it wasn't addressing people with health issues that have contributed to them being overweight.
In most cases, their health issues are the RESULT of them being overweight, not the other way around.
Uh, that's not necessarily true, like at all.
Overweight/obesity increase the risk for diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, some fertility issues, some cancers etc. I thought this was common knowledge. Instead, you're saying they're overweight because of their health problems. I don't think so.
It does happen, with PCOS and thyroid issues, and those aren't exactly unheard of conditions.
I am so tired, though, of hearing people talk about how overweight people "did it to themselves", even on this site. When the problem is really just living a default life in our society with a human body. This is an obesogenic society, end of. It is statistically normal to be overweight or obese. It kind of blows my mind that people can look at stats like that and think it's down to the individual. It is to anyone's credit when they do take things into their own hands, but that is a countercultural thing to do. I'd even say it's subversive, everyone here knows there are social sanctions for restricting calories / bucking norms.
sorry, i may have mis-read the sentence in bold... But if overweight people didn't make themselves overweight, then who did? Of course barring the obligatory medical conditions....
I, myself, me and only me made myself overweight... why?? Because I ate too much! I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself :huh:
Because of some of the things people have talked about in this thread
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10239541/does-just-immigrating-to-the-usa-lead-to-weight-gain#latest
I'd say it is a levels of analysis problem. On the scale of making a society or the world healthier, all those things are influences and worth policy discussion. That's a macro level discussion.
If you're on the MFP board looking to discuss your own personal weight loss, I'd hold that at that micro level, you have to view it as personal accountability. If you're not willing to admit over eating is the fundamental cause, and eating less than you burn until you reach your desired weight is the only fundamental solution, you're incredibly unlikely to succeed.
Those are different levels of analysis, but I don't think they're contradictory, and I don't know, I don't have a problem recognizing both how stacked the deck is, and how functioning in an unthinking way leads to obesity so often (and did in my case, as well), and that I gained the knowledge required to come out of that default state (a state of ignorance) and lose weight. I found weight loss empowering, certainly, but I didn't feel the need to blame or feel bad about myself for having been overweight at all. It was like coming out of a cave, and it's not like I put myself in that cave.
And someone will say, "yeah but duh you weren't ignorant before, you are just making excuses, everyone knows you just need to eat less and move more", but it's one thing to know that intellectually, and it's a completely different thing to apply that principle to your day to day habits. To look at the pasta dish you've been eating for lunch for three years and understand that "holy crap that is over half of what I need to be eating" and experiment with alternatives that won't make you want to kill your colleagues and that will still be tasty and get you where you need to go on the scale. To be able to eyeball the volume of a portion of rice served at a restaurant within a reasonable margin of error. To learn how to negotiate birthdays and work dinners, etc - it takes months of hard work and learning and trial and error for people to really groove that knowledge in, against a tide. All of that is stuff that doesn't just come naturally.
I can promise you that Dragging my lazy butt to work doesn't come naturally, either, but if I choose not to for months on end and become an unemployed bum, I'm going to have no one else to blame but myself
One thing I will concede to is my frustration with all the confusing information about weight loss that is out there. I honestly was squarely in the, "you know what, I'd rather stay fat than do that" camp, for a while there. This was during a year+ long plateau while exercising regularly, prior to logging my calories on MFP. Appetite suppressant this, cleanse that, starvation mode whatever, they weren't things I could explain or justify to myself, so I decided I'd just live with the couple dozen extra pounds instead. I read articles from time to time about people choosing to remain somewhat overweight while exercising and maintaining other good habits, and still think it's better than some of the alternatives
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