Anyone fancy doing a juice detox?
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Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
Protein and fat are ESSENTIAL for proper health and longer term, life. Asking for evidence of why not taking them in is bad for you is like asking for evidence of why not drinking anything for 30 days is not advisable.0 -
There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
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Thanks for the invite, but I won't be able to make it sorry. You're gonna hurt yourself.0
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There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
Lack of protein and fat is bad for your health. There's minimum requirements for a reason.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/43411/1/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf
http://foris.fao.org/preview/25553-0ece4cb94ac52f9a25af77ca5cfba7a8c.pdf
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There is zero evidence there, it's all opinionated "might be" and "could be" no proof and mostly bashing companies selling detox packs, I have done it and felt the benefits.
Where is your evidence it is unhealthy? There are thousands success stories out there, there have been people who have got all the medical tests done and then done it and are far healthier when done. Just because something is unconventional and you have not tried it does not make it unhealthy. Usually people do this because their current lifestyle is unhealthy and this helps with bad habits and is intended as a sort of kickstart not a solution inonitself.You could write an entire book about it - still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad idea from a nutritional/health standpoint. More words don't make it any more legitimate or reasonable.
It's a bad idea and I hope that anybody who reads this thread in the future pays attention to the multitudes of people who have told you so and explained why, rather than focusing on your unhealthy and counterproductive plan.
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00390-2/pdf
http://m.netdoctor.co.uk/diet-and-nutrition/healthy-eating/juice-diet-dangers.htm
http://m.livescience.com/48887-juice-cleanse-dangers.html
And those all talk about juice cleanses up to 10 days.
Nobody is trying to convince you - your mind is obviously made up and you're going to do it no matter what anybody else says. It's more for the benefit of other people who may read this thread in the future, who hopefully have more sense and will listen to reason.
You obviously have no grasp on basic nutritional concepts - the need for protein and fats and their role in the function of muscles, organs, hormonal processes, CNS, etc. There's no sense telling you to do the research, because you won't - but maybe others will before they jump headfirst into an unsafe, unhealthy and ridiculous crash diet which will leave them more screwed up than they were before.
It helps absolutely nothing with bad habits. It's introducing yet another bad (and unsafe) habit and teaches you nothing about eating well-rounded, portion controlled meals. The whole "kickstart" thing is fad diet/scam lingo - the metabolism is not a motorcycle, you don't "kickstart" it. People who "do it because their current lifestyle is unhealthy" are just trading one unhealthy existence for another. It's like quitting booze and taking up smoking three packs of cigarettes a day instead.
The only unfortunate thing is that you won't come back after 60 days with a follow-up thread to show before and after pictures. People seeing you with your hair falling out, withered up skin and massive loss of lean body mass would tell the story better than anybody's warnings have thus far.0 -
Blitz, I won't debate whether juicing is healthy or unhealthy. I have juiced and felt well during a fast, so I get it. My longest juice fast was 25 days and I felt fine during and after.That aside... there is no argument that you are taking a shortcut to lose weight. You are. There is no denying that. I challenge you to question why you are choosing to yet again take a shortcut. My question is why not just do the work and really develop the healthy habits you need to sustain your weight loss?
Let's say you lose the weight and then regain it again, do you condone yet another juice fast? Is juice fasting the best way to lose weight in your eyes? I can tell you with all certainty it is not. I have done many many juice fasts for weight loss and believe me there are repercussions to that. EVERY TIME after the fast I would said that I would not put the weight back on, but I did every time. Not immediately (I made healthy choices for a while), but it always came back. I do not wish the same for you.
Also, juicing fasting DOES NOT teach you how to develop healthy habits. Practicing healthy habits does. When you juice fast you are denying yourself the ability to eat, cook, and develop a healthy relationship with food. There is nothing about that that teaches you anything about how to eat well and make healthy food choices in the long run.
Any way you slice it op you are choosing to take a shortcut and therein lies the problem. Most anyone with tell you that the best way to lose weight is not fast. Especially twice or more times... the line needs to be drawn somewhere.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.
Why are you supporting such an unhealthy, extreme approach @christinev297
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christinev297 wrote: »Wow, I admire your willpower to not pick off of her plate. If you can do that, then you should have no probs losing weight when you get back to eating normal food.
Why are you supporting such an unhealthy, extreme approach @christinev297
Because I know no amount of preaching and nagging from us is going to change his mind.
I couldn't last one whole day doing a juice fast, let a lone 60!! Doing this would require a hell of a lot of determination and willpower. If he can last 60 days, then he can do anything, including losing the weight on a regular calorie deficit eating real food. This is what I'm trying to get across to him, unsuccessfully obviously.
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Words of wisdom from Alan Aragon..........
ah, the fad of juicing..
here's a little 101 for you.
when you juice, unless you scarf down the pulp stuck in the discard receptacle of your juicing machine, your're missing out on a good grip of phytochemicals - nonstarchpolysaccharides (NSPs) & other X-factor nutrients locked within the cell wall of the structural component of the plant. these things get kicked out during the juicing process.
my advice: take a daily multi, and in addition to that, eat the whole fruit or vegetable. otherwise you'll miss out on a lot of the health & digestive benefit. whole uneviscerated foods should be the foundation of your vegetable & fruit intake. when you juice stuff, not only do you increase the rate of absorption (and calorie density) exponentially compared to consuming the whole food, you lower the satiating capacity of it as well. this is not optimal, unless you're on a weight gain mission.
ps, this is NOT to be confused with blending stuff up in a food processor or blender & consuming all the contents. i'm talking about juicers, which effectively kick out much of the reason you consume vegetables & fruits in the 1st place. juicing is a practice perpetuated by pseudoscientists (aka quacks), & often times the lay public is the victim.
sorry to burst your bubble about this, but i gotta deliver the facts.0 -
I also urged him up thread to at least consider using a blender instead of a juicer and consider adding protein and fats to his concoctions.0
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