Ice cream without any guilt .. (Nice Cream) :) My life has changed.
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Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
Rarely. More like a minimum of 1 cup!0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
Yes, all the time. That's what a food scale is for.0 -
Just google "difference between refined sugar and sugar found naturally in food" and make up your own mind.0
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nordlead2005 wrote: »I hate bananas.
I add alcohol to my ice cream to remove the guilt.
Why not? Alcohol has a high thermic effect afterall
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nordlead2005 wrote: »I hate bananas.
I add alcohol to my ice cream to remove the guilt.
Best. Line. Evah0 -
cross2bear wrote: »Just google "difference between refined sugar and sugar found naturally in food" and make up your own mind.
Just FYI - you can also google "Alien landing in USA" and get conflicting reports.
TL;DR Telling someone to "Google" something isn't a good way to support any given position.
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Also, if you do google it, and ignore silly stuff, what the sites explain is that many foods that naturally contain sugar also are low cal and contain lots of things we need in our diet, like fiber and micronutrients, whereas many foods (not all, of course) that include added sugar have fewer micronutrients, less fiber, and lots of calories (in many cases more from fat than sugar, however).
In other words, they simply do not support the assertion that the sugar in a carrot or banana is different in some material way from the sugar in ice cream. Is ice cream different from a carrot? Well, obviously, but that's not the assertion that was made and should be supported.
There's a current thread where the OP asked if adding 32 calories of sugar to his or her oatmeal is a problem or unhealthy. I'm not sure how some oatmeal with a little sugar is bad just because the sugar is added and not inherent in the oatmeal (which has fiber and some other good qualities), but this silly black and white distinction (inherent sugar good, added sugar bad) would claim it so.0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Dreysander wrote: »I actually made this for the first time last night since I'm not eating sugar right now. It was super good.
You know there's sugar in bananas right? Or is this one of those no added sugar deals because that makes sugar somehow more devil-like?
If you like it, woo! Personally, I'd just make ice cream fit, it satisfies a different part of the psyche having the real deal which is pretty important I think. I don't really do ice cream unless it's warm, which is like, 4 days a year in London, heh.VintageFeline wrote: »Dreysander wrote: »I actually made this for the first time last night since I'm not eating sugar right now. It was super good.
You know there's sugar in bananas right? Or is this one of those no added sugar deals because that makes sugar somehow more devil-like?
If you like it, woo! Personally, I'd just make ice cream fit, it satisfies a different part of the psyche having the real deal which is pretty important I think. I don't really do ice cream unless it's warm, which is like, 4 days a year in London, heh.Floridaman789 wrote: »Refined sugar had empty calories that's the difference. Empty calories aren't good for you anything with empty calories are bad do some research and you will find out how it affects your body.
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kshama2001 wrote: »vivmom2014 wrote: »What's with calling it "nice cream"? There's no cream in it. Call it "iced bananas". (Plus, this cutesy use of "nice" indicates that something's *not* nice about authentic ice cream.)
If one is vegan, what's not nice about ice cream made from cream is the exploitation of cows.
Eh, that's not how it's being talked about in this thread.
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vivmom2014 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »vivmom2014 wrote: »What's with calling it "nice cream"? There's no cream in it. Call it "iced bananas". (Plus, this cutesy use of "nice" indicates that something's *not* nice about authentic ice cream.)
If one is vegan, what's not nice about ice cream made from cream is the exploitation of cows.
Eh, that's not how it's being talked about in this thread.
@kshama2001 has previously admitted to being a vegan wannabe
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There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body0
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There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
Sorry, but I don't agree with a lot in this post, but especially the bolded.
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There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
Nobody is arguing that a banana and ice cream are literally interchangable -- they have different amounts of macro and micronutrients. The argument is whether there is a difference between the sugar in a banana and the sugar in ice cream.
The fiber in fruit doesn't make *me* feel more full no matter what. I still feel like I get a sugar rush from very sweet fruits (like bananas, grapes, or pineapple) unless they are combined with other foods and they don't curb my hunger.0 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
Sorry, but I don't agree with a lot in this post, but especially the bolded.
That will be because it's made up0 -
There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
As a former pre-diabetic I can tell you for a fact that the fat and protein in the ice cream make the blood sugar spike (and consequently insulin) much smoother than the sugar in the banana, at least in my case. Bananas are delicious, but nothing can replace the richness of ice cream satiety-wise, at least for me.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
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"As a former pre-diabetic I can tell you for a fact that the fat and protein in the ice cream make the blood sugar spike (and consequently insulin) much smoother than the sugar in the banana, at least in my case. Bananas are delicious, but nothing can replace the richness of ice cream satiety-wise, at least for me."
I agree with this-I suffer from reactive hypoglycemia and ice cream will trigger a hypoglycemic episode but the frozen banana does not at least in my case.
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vivmom2014 wrote: »There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
Sorry, but I don't agree with a lot in this post, but especially the bolded.
That will be because it's made up
It was quite a mouthful, wasn't it?
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"As a former pre-diabetic I can tell you for a fact that the fat and protein in the ice cream make the blood sugar spike (and consequently insulin) much smoother than the sugar in the banana, at least in my case. Bananas are delicious, but nothing can replace the richness of ice cream satiety-wise, at least for me."
I agree with this-I suffer from reactive hypoglycemia and ice cream will trigger a hypoglycemic episode but the frozen banana does not at least in my case.
So you have the opposite response you mean 0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
I live in the US and ice cream does have a weight associated with the half cup. The Edys I'm looking at right now says 60g.0 -
"As a former pre-diabetic I can tell you for a fact that the fat and protein in the ice cream make the blood sugar spike (and consequently insulin) much smoother than the sugar in the banana, at least in my case. Bananas are delicious, but nothing can replace the richness of ice cream satiety-wise, at least for me."
I agree with this-I suffer from reactive hypoglycemia and ice cream will trigger a hypoglycemic episode but the frozen banana does not at least in my case.
It was the opposite in my case. Probably because the kind of ice cream I usually eat is unusually rich.0 -
There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
- There is hardly any fiber in a banana. In fact, bananas are one of the best fruits to eat if you are looking for a little "sugar rush".
- Ice cream has fat and protein in it, which also blunt the speed that sugar is digested.
If I'm hungry, and I eat just a banana, I will get a sugar rush and in an hour be hungry. If I'm hungry and eat a serving of good quality ice cream, I will be set for the night.
And I don't need to worry about insulin spikes, because I am not diabetic. Despite the fact that I eat ice cream almost every day (and some fruit every day) I hardly ever go over even the low sugar limit MFP gives.
Context is important. Yes, if you ate straight granulated sugar in quantity every day, or all-sugar treats like jello, or fruit-flavored hard candies, etc. in large quantities, what you are describing could cause problems. But sugar in any food that has fiber, fat, or protein is handled by the body the same, whether it is naturally occurring or added.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
I've been known to log 197g of ice cream, so no - aint no half cup happenin' around here.
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Sorry typing on the fly. Doesn't matter if it's rich or not for me sigh I luv Häagen-Dazs but not worth getting sick.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
I live in the US and ice cream does have a weight associated with the half cup. The Edys I'm looking at right now says 60g.
Yep, I'm in NY and every package of ice cream I get has the weight per serving listed. And I have found good quality ice cream is one of the foods that when I weigh it out, it looks like ALOT more than that 1/2 cup would've been!0 -
There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose
No, this is wrong. Depending on the fruit it will have fructose, glucose, sucrose, and various other sugars. A 110 cal banana has about 6 g of fructose, about the same amount of glucose, and the rest is sucrose.
Sucrose breaks down to 50% glucose and fructose. The sugar in ice cream would be sucrose (unless it's some type that uses HFCS, which generally would not be the higher-quality and tastier ice creams). Thus, the sugar in both the banana and the ice cream would ultimately amount to about half fructose and half glucose.
It is true they are metabolized differently to some extent -- the fructose by the liver -- but this is usually used to scare people off of fructose (incorrectly, IMO), and not some advantage for fructose over glucose and sucrose. But in any case here I don't see much of a difference.and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body.
This was covered upthread. That there are other differences between the ice cream and the banana besides the sugar is NOT a difference between the sugars.
I'm more likely to be low on calcium (which ice cream has a bit of) than anything in the banana (a banana doesn't have much more fiber than ice cream -- the two I compared above have a 2 g difference -- and personally I'm never low on fiber and wouldn't rely on a banana as a particularly good source).
Bananas are great, again, and IMO better as a pre-workout fuel or quick post workout snack (although I'd add some protein too) than ice cream, but ice cream has its own positives, like sometimes hitting the spot perfectly after dinner.Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike.
No. First of all, whether there's an insulin spike depends on the overall content of the food. Ice cream is high in fat, which would tend to make a spike less likely, and, indeed, the GI and GL of ice cream is LOWER than that of the banana.
Even more significantly, an insulin spike has nothing to do with whether you put on fat. What determines that is whether you are in a calorie deficit or surplus (this is also why claims that bananas cause you to gain fat are stupid).Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what.
I don't have cravings after eating ice cream (and again, if the cravings are supposedly resulting from insulin, avoid the banana before the ice cream), and a lot of people who are carb sensitive might be better off with ice cream over a banana (especially since you can get a lot lower sugar frozen desserts than a banana, although I'm not particularly recommending them).0 -
There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
The sugar in fruit is NOT just fructose.
I repeat.
Fruits do not exclusively or even mostly contain free fructose.
Fruits contain a mix of fructose, glucose and sucrose. Sucrose is table sugar.
The white crystal stuff you put in your coffee? Extracted from a plant by steeping it in hot water.
There is no difference between natural and refined sugar because refined sugar IS natural.
About 20% of a banana's sugar is table sugar.
http://www.nutritionatc.hawaii.edu/HO/2010/443.htm0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body. Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike. Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what. Sometimes u just need the real thing but don't just assume that since banana and ice cream may have the same calories they can be interchanged- once you eat them there is a big differance in how they effect your body
Nobody is arguing that a banana and ice cream are literally interchangable -- they have different amounts of macro and micronutrients. The argument is whether there is a difference between the sugar in a banana and the sugar in ice cream.
The fiber in fruit doesn't make *me* feel more full no matter what. I still feel like I get a sugar rush from very sweet fruits (like bananas, grapes, or pineapple) unless they are combined with other foods and they don't curb my hunger.
Many of them don't have much fiber anyway. Bananas do fill me up, but whatever the reason why it's unlikely to be the fiber.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
I live in the US and ice cream does have a weight associated with the half cup. The Edys I'm looking at right now says 60g.
I was going to say the same thing. Even if it is a relatively new occurrence, it has been at least 1 year.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
Every ice cream I've seen in the US has gram information. This is what I use. (Talenti is usually around 100 g for a "half cup" serving.)0
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