Ice cream without any guilt .. (Nice Cream) :) My life has changed.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »There is always confusion about the "sugar" in fruit versus sugar In other foods or table sugar. The "sugar" In fruit is really fructose
No, this is wrong. Depending on the fruit it will have fructose, glucose, sucrose, and various other sugars. A 110 cal banana has about 6 g of fructose, about the same amount of glucose, and the rest is sucrose.
Sucrose breaks down to 50% glucose and fructose. The sugar in ice cream would be sucrose (unless it's some type that uses HFCS, which generally would not be the higher-quality and tastier ice creams). Thus, the sugar in both the banana and the ice cream would ultimately amount to about half fructose and half glucose.
It is true they are metabolized differently to some extent -- the fructose by the liver -- but this is usually used to scare people off of fructose (incorrectly, IMO), and not some advantage for fructose over glucose and sucrose. But in any case here I don't see much of a difference.and the biggest differance is how you body digests it- fruit has fiber and other beneficial vitamins where ice cream while 1/2 cup has the same calories as a banana has a big differance on how it effects your body.
This was covered upthread. That there are other differences between the ice cream and the banana besides the sugar is NOT a difference between the sugars.
I'm more likely to be low on calcium (which ice cream has a bit of) than anything in the banana (a banana doesn't have much more fiber than ice cream -- the two I compared above have a 2 g difference -- and personally I'm never low on fiber and wouldn't rely on a banana as a particularly good source).
Bananas are great, again, and IMO better as a pre-workout fuel or quick post workout snack (although I'd add some protein too) than ice cream, but ice cream has its own positives, like sometimes hitting the spot perfectly after dinner.Regular sugar gets digested right away and causes a blood sugar and insulin to spike and excess sugar stored as fat where the sugar in fruit is digested slowly and slows the bodies digestion of glucose so there is no insulin spike.
No. First of all, whether there's an insulin spike depends on the overall content of the food. Ice cream is high in fat, which would tend to make a spike less likely, and, indeed, the GI and GL of ice cream is LOWER than that of the banana.
Even more significantly, an insulin spike has nothing to do with whether you put on fat. What determines that is whether you are in a calorie deficit or surplus (this is also why claims that bananas cause you to gain fat are stupid).Which will help you with cravings once the sugar rush comes down and fruit will make you feel more full no matter what.
I don't have cravings after eating ice cream (and again, if the cravings are supposedly resulting from insulin, avoid the banana before the ice cream), and a lot of people who are carb sensitive might be better off with ice cream over a banana (especially since you can get a lot lower sugar frozen desserts than a banana, although I'm not particularly recommending them).
Good breakdown of the facts as always.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
I live in the US and ice cream does have a weight associated with the half cup. The Edys I'm looking at right now says 60g.
Yes to this.
Starting to weigh my food is how I figured out I'd been eating about a serving of ice cream all along. Well, unless it replaced dinner. Then it was more like 3
ETA: And it's been at least 3 years that the serving weight has been available.0 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »vivmom2014 wrote: »What's with calling it "nice cream"? There's no cream in it. Call it "iced bananas". (Plus, this cutesy use of "nice" indicates that something's *not* nice about authentic ice cream.)
If one is vegan, what's not nice about ice cream made from cream is the exploitation of cows.
Eh, that's not how it's being talked about in this thread.
Your question was about why is it called Nice Cream. How it is discussed on this thread is irrelevant to the origin of the name.
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Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
For flavors I adore, no way. However, I can buy the mini cups (which do not come in my favorite flavors) and stop at one of them.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »cbeaulieu1991 wrote: »Turkey Hill Moose Tracks light ice cream has been a game changer for me. It's 140 calories for 1/2 cup and doesn't taste any different from the real stuff.
There's that 1/2 a cup again. Does anyone actually only eat 1/2 a cup of ice cream???
How do you measure out your ice cream? Do you scoop it into a 1/2 cup measuring cup or use an ice cream scoop (1/2 cup) or do you let it melt down to measure 125 mL? Having lived in the U.S. and Canada, ice creams do not have weights listed on the nutritional info. It's either 1/2 cup or 125 mL. No grams. No ounces. No listed set-point for weighing.
I use an ice cream scoop. It's a piddly amount of ice cream. It's what happens when people use liquid measurements for semi-solids and I certainly haven't met anyone who lets ice cream melt down to complete liquid form before measuring out a serving.
I use a food scale for everything. Only use cups for fluids.
125ml of ice cream would 100% leave me going back for more. That's more like a childs serving.. It's doable, but wouldn't be satisfying for me.0 -
I love the posters on this site. Someone just posted an alternative to ice that they enjoy and it turns into a sugar, no sugar-ice cream, no ice cream, controversial debate. Great reading. Thank you
The OP said she could eat this guilt-free. Many of us pointed out that this premise is flawed as a cup of bananas has 200 calories, so more calories than a serving of many brands of ice cream.0 -
juggernaut1974 wrote: »cross2bear wrote: »Just google "difference between refined sugar and sugar found naturally in food" and make up your own mind.
Just FYI - you can also google "Alien landing in USA" and get conflicting reports.
TL;DR Telling someone to "Google" something isn't a good way to support any given position.
(and I love that my tl;dr is actually longer than my comment)
I dont want to tell people what to think - I want to encourage people to think for themselves. I only offer the start - where they finish is entirely up to them, about sugar or aliens!0 -
cross2bear wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »cross2bear wrote: »Just google "difference between refined sugar and sugar found naturally in food" and make up your own mind.
Just FYI - you can also google "Alien landing in USA" and get conflicting reports.
TL;DR Telling someone to "Google" something isn't a good way to support any given position.
(and I love that my tl;dr is actually longer than my comment)
I dont want to tell people what to think - I want to encourage people to think for themselves. I only offer the start - where they finish is entirely up to them, about sugar or aliens!
If you want people to think for themselves, directing them to accurate sources is a great first step. You can find anything on Google, so just Googling something can often be incredibly unhelpful. What sources did you find helpful when making up your own mind on the issue?0 -
Random fun fact: Sucrose is made by plants. We use super-sweet plants like sugar-cane and sugar-beets, mash them up, boil them & crystallize out the sugar. Wonderful by-products include molasses (which is pretty sweet, too) and beet pulp / cane pulp. Beet pulp is very high in fiber, and is used in animal feed. It's actually a quite nice addition to our foods, too, it is rather flavorful, but the FDA approval process more or less has held up its commercial sale for 30 years now.0
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I think there'd be a WHOLE LOT LESS PUSHBACK if the sweet dessert was presented this way:"I love eating mashed frozen bananas! It's delicious and creamy, and satisfies my sweet tooth. Added bonus - extra potassium and a bit of fiber!"
Instead of this way:"Ice cream is bad for you but frozen bananas taste JUST THE SAME and are good for you!" (paraphrase)
The original post and subsequent defenses attracted a lot of criticism because of
(1) dishonest portrayal of texture/flavor
(2) nutritionally inaccurate critique of a popular food
(3) nutritionally inaccurate critiques of sugar
So please, by all means, spread the word about tasty frozen bananas. I like blended frozen fruit, too. I'd recommend leaving ice cream out of it, though. The comparison more or less invites disagreement.
p.s.
MyFitnessPal has a great forum SPECIFICALLY for this kind of sharing... "Food and Nutrition", or maybe Recipes. I'm not saying it doesn't belong here (not my call) only that I think maybe that audience would probably be a lot more receptive to the recipe idea and less likely to jump on the implicit biases.0 -
I've decided to no longer post anything. I'll get support somewhere else. Didn't realize everything on here had to be so literal. I feel like I'm in high school.0
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I've decided to no longer post anything. I'll get support somewhere else. Didn't realize everything on here had to be so literal. I feel like I'm in high school.
I agree.......your post was great, you found a healthy and nutritious "treat" that made you happy and exited and then people here felt compelled to go on and on and on and on.....essentially repeating themselves and each other and arguing about NOTHING!!! Why can't we just be glad that the OP is feeling happy and excited about the banana dessert? Man this is getting old!!0 -
Agreed! One must have a thick skin to participate in most forums. It is what it is, please don't let a few people run you off0 -
This is priceless. You just told her she was being dishonest.
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Are you kidding? You tore apart the OPS whole post and rewrote it the way YOU say it should have been written. It was written in a light hearted fun and excited way but all you folks who know better than the rest of us feel the need to condescendingle correct us. I'm done with these forums too.0 -
Thanks for this post! I sprinkled cinnamon and unsalted peanuts on top instead of the vanilla. Yummmmm.0
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So after all this ice cream talk, I decided to indulge and buy my favourite PB flavour. I went to the grocery store, found it, perused the nutritional label... 260 calories for 100ml! Meh, tossed it in my trolley and continued shopping, all the while having those calories and can I stop at 100ml playing round and round in my head????
Long story short, I left the store without my ice cream. Knowing my self well, it would have been a minimum 520 calorie bowl. just not worth it, and yes, my willpower sucks!!!!0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »So after all this ice cream talk, I decided to indulge and buy my favourite PB flavour. I went to the grocery store, found it, perused the nutritional label... 260 calories for 100ml! Meh, tossed it in my trolley and continued shopping, all the while having those calories and can I stop at 100ml playing round and round in my head????
Long story short, I left the store without my ice cream. Knowing my self well, it would have been a minimum 520 calorie bowl. just not worth it, and yes, my willpower sucks!!!!
When I was first testing the waters on ice cream in the house, I brought home five individual cups (ranging from 230-290 cal each). Yup, I ate all five of them. I can have the pints now, but it took a long time to get there. :laugh:0 -
I've decided to no longer post anything. I'll get support somewhere else. Didn't realize everything on here had to be so literal. I feel like I'm in high school.
I agree.......your post was great, you found a healthy and nutritious "treat" that made you happy and exited and then people here felt compelled to go on and on and on and on.....essentially repeating themselves and each other and arguing about NOTHING!!! Why can't we just be glad that the OP is feeling happy and excited about the banana dessert? Man this is getting old!!
Well it's probably due to- Use of the word guilt
- Incorrect understanding of equivalent calories and sugar content
- Discussion board
Yes frozen banana is delicious, so is Greek yogurt with frozen berries stirred into it and possibly a squidge of honey and so is ice cream.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »So after all this ice cream talk, I decided to indulge and buy my favourite PB flavour. I went to the grocery store, found it, perused the nutritional label... 260 calories for 100ml! Meh, tossed it in my trolley and continued shopping, all the while having those calories and can I stop at 100ml playing round and round in my head????
Long story short, I left the store without my ice cream. Knowing my self well, it would have been a minimum 520 calorie bowl. just not worth it, and yes, my willpower sucks!!!!
When I was first testing the waters on ice cream in the house, I brought home five individual cups (ranging from 230-290 cal each). Yup, I ate all five of them. I can have the pints now, but it took a long time to get there. :laugh:
I've had ice cream in single servings for as long as I can remember, but with some other items like Nutella I find it necessary to buy only one single serving whenever I feel like having it. No 5 single servings at once in the house for me. So yes, I feel your pain
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This is priceless. You just told her she was being dishonest.
That's not how I read it. I saw an analysis of how the message came across which was actually quite accurate in its explanation as to why this became an interesting discussion thread in a discussion forum
It surprises me that adults take comments on nutritional facts and stats so very personally.
@tomteboda good post and a lovely response to the OP. I admire you, your aha moment on your blog, and your level headed postings on this site.0 -
I just saw a video of "mock Ice cream" Frozen bananas, vanilla extract.. put in food processor until it looks like ice cream. UM HELLLLLOOOOO delicious. I just made banana ice cream without cream or sugar. It really tasted like ice cream. I had about a cup and it was so good.
I'm sure I could add strawberries next time or other varieties..like some PB2 etc.
I always buy bananas.. and if for whatever reason I don't eat them and they start to look brown I peel them and put them in the freezer.. So another reason to use them frozen...
I had ice cream without the guilt. I cannot believe I never did this before! It was awesome!
I seen the video and posted the same awhile ago it's a good idea0 -
Real talk about this stuff. I made frozen mashed bananas before. They're not like ice cream. At all.0
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Q_Is_Poison wrote: »Try skinny cows for an ice cream bar without the work for 100 calories each. I truly hate all the work that goes into making a 100 calorie treat. Skinny Cows cost 5 to 6 dollars a box.
I love those. I take two bars off the stick, add crushed cookies and mix it all up for around 300 calories. One of my favorite treats!0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »So after all this ice cream talk, I decided to indulge and buy my favourite PB flavour. I went to the grocery store, found it, perused the nutritional label... 260 calories for 100ml! Meh, tossed it in my trolley and continued shopping, all the while having those calories and can I stop at 100ml playing round and round in my head????
Long story short, I left the store without my ice cream. Knowing my self well, it would have been a minimum 520 calorie bowl. just not worth it, and yes, my willpower sucks!!!!
When I was first testing the waters on ice cream in the house, I brought home five individual cups
What individual cup ice creams do you all get, and from where? I typically only see the Haagen Dazs in individual serving size cups (which is great, but wondering if others are available).0 -
I LUV this faux ice cream! I saw it on the Engine 2 Diet documentary! I also make it with bananas and berries + vanilla.. YUM! I can't eat sugar, so this is the best alternative I've found! (And no chemicals/fillers/calories like the store bought low cab/no dug added versions).0
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I've decided to no longer post anything. I'll get support somewhere else. Didn't realize everything on here had to be so literal. I feel like I'm in high school.
I agree.......your post was great, you found a healthy and nutritious "treat" that made you happy and exited and then people here felt compelled to go on and on and on and on.....essentially repeating themselves and each other and arguing about NOTHING!!! Why can't we just be glad that the OP is feeling happy and excited about the banana dessert? Man this is getting old!!
Well it's probably due to- Use of the word guilt
- Incorrect understanding of equivalent calories and sugar content
- Discussion board
Yes frozen banana is delicious, so is Greek yogurt with frozen berries stirred into it and possibly a squidge of honey and so is ice cream.
I must be weird, as I continue to prefer non frozen bananas to the frozen kind. (Especially during winter!) :-)
I am not offended and my feelings are not hurt that others do not share my enthusiasm for non frozen bananas and like the frozen kind. Also, you know what's better than bananas (frozen or not)? Pears. So delicious.0 -
I prefer making real icecream - I have an icemachine (with compressor, no need to put it in a freezer before use) and make icecream from plain yoghurt and sweetener (I like splenda or erythrit) and real vanilla powder. Or - during the season - strawberry purree with sweetener.
I also use low fat/no sugar fruit yoghurt with some additional sweetener (icecreammix has to be very sweet before you freeze it).
A big cup (8 ounce) hat 110 calories and makes me very happy ;-)0 -
GiGiQuinn2016 wrote: »I LUV this faux ice cream! I saw it on the Engine 2 Diet documentary! I also make it with bananas and berries + vanilla.. YUM! I can't eat sugar, so this is the best alternative I've found! (And no chemicals/fillers/calories like the store bought low cab/no dug added versions).
How come you can't eat sugar?0
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