What Do You Think of the "Free to Be Hairy" Movement
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martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
I bet you're a blast to be around. The smile emoji let's me know so.6 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
I bet you're a blast to be around. The smile emoji let's me know so.
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
Saying outloud that someone smells bad is, in fact, making a point of offending them. I've have maybe twice, in my entire life, smelled people who can be described as "smelling like trash" or "like they bathed in cat pee," and every time they were homeless. Either here in Kansas we breed people with better hygiene, or you have the most sensitive nose of all time. And you're, by the way, conflating these things to people who don't shave their pits by talking about it a thread about grooming one's body hair. This is not a causation thing; not shaving your body hair doesn't automatically lead to an aggressively bad body odor.
I mean, carry on thinking you're cool and just telling it how it is or whatever, but it doesn't change that you either don't have empathy for people (clear in your commentary about people who "cut for the attention") or you're deliberately the walking embodiment of an internet troll.8 -
peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
Saying outloud that someone smells bad is, in fact, making a point of offending them. I've have maybe twice, in my entire life, smelled people who can be described as "smelling like trash" or "like they bathed in cat pee," and every time they were homeless. Either here in Kansas we breed people with better hygiene, or you have the most sensitive nose of all time. And you're, by the way, conflating these things to people who don't shave their pits by talking about it a thread about grooming one's body hair. This is not a causation thing; not shaving your body hair doesn't automatically lead to an aggressively bad body odor.
I mean, carry on thinking you're cool and just telling it how it is or whatever, but it doesn't change that you either don't have empathy for people (clear in your commentary about people who "cut for the attention") or you're deliberately the walking embodiment of an internet troll.
Oh I know it offends them, I don't need you to tell me that, hence, why I do it.
Next time you take someone to a nice restaurant for a birthday or ... just because, and you have to smell an aroma... I hope you don't offend anyone.
I'm not going to argue with people who want to make fallacy of a misinterpreted conflation.
So keep claiming I'm this and that, and how cool I think I am, either way it really doesn't matter, nor change anything.
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
Saying outloud that someone smells bad is, in fact, making a point of offending them. I've have maybe twice, in my entire life, smelled people who can be described as "smelling like trash" or "like they bathed in cat pee," and every time they were homeless. Either here in Kansas we breed people with better hygiene, or you have the most sensitive nose of all time. And you're, by the way, conflating these things to people who don't shave their pits by talking about it a thread about grooming one's body hair. This is not a causation thing; not shaving your body hair doesn't automatically lead to an aggressively bad body odor.
I mean, carry on thinking you're cool and just telling it how it is or whatever, but it doesn't change that you either don't have empathy for people (clear in your commentary about people who "cut for the attention") or you're deliberately the walking embodiment of an internet troll.
Oh I know it offends them, I don't need you to tell me that, hence, why I do it.
Next time you take someone to a nice restaurant for a birthday or ... just because, and you have to smell an aroma... I hope you don't offend anyone.
I'm not going to argue with people who want to make fallacy of a misinterpreted conflation.
So keep claiming I'm this and that, and how cool I think I am, either way it really doesn't matter, nor change anything.
BRB gonna go get my dictionary2 -
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
Saying outloud that someone smells bad is, in fact, making a point of offending them. I've have maybe twice, in my entire life, smelled people who can be described as "smelling like trash" or "like they bathed in cat pee," and every time they were homeless. Either here in Kansas we breed people with better hygiene, or you have the most sensitive nose of all time. And you're, by the way, conflating these things to people who don't shave their pits by talking about it a thread about grooming one's body hair. This is not a causation thing; not shaving your body hair doesn't automatically lead to an aggressively bad body odor.
I mean, carry on thinking you're cool and just telling it how it is or whatever, but it doesn't change that you either don't have empathy for people (clear in your commentary about people who "cut for the attention") or you're deliberately the walking embodiment of an internet troll.
Oh I know it offends them, I don't need you to tell me that, hence, why I do it.
Next time you take someone to a nice restaurant for a birthday or ... just because, and you have to smell an aroma... I hope you don't offend anyone.
I'm not going to argue with people who want to make fallacy of a misinterpreted conflation.
So keep claiming I'm this and that, and how cool I think I am, either way it really doesn't matter, nor change anything.
To be clear: I said your post was about how you go out of your way to offend people, and you said I read it wrong. Except you literally just said you say it to offend them. Delibrately. That is exactly the point I was making.
And these things still have nothing to do with whether a person shaves their pits/legs/etc or not.11 -
I'm sure this has been said, but I think it's crazy that it has to be a "movement" at all.3
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Not for me, thanks. But they can do what they want. I just find it uncomfortable because I'm so used to shaving it.0
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It's not so bad, right? As for the naysayers, they can have their opinion, but I don't have to let it bother me. Lifetime of ridicule? I'm more along the lines of a lifetime of being happy with myself, making my choices and owning them.salembambi wrote: »
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martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I used to cut myself when I was 13-14, but I hid the cuts. Mostly I did it because of rape trauma... But hopefully I didn't smell and offend the awesome people who might make comments somewhere within my hearing.
There's a difference between trauma, and emotional damage that requires help from a professional, and the emo kids who do it for attention.
Don't take something and twist it around. I understand this is text on a wall ... but not everything it meant to offend you.
Your initial post was about how you deliberately make a point of offending strangers in public. You are, in fact, an offensive person and I don't understand how you're shocked to learn that people are offended by how utterly out-of-touch and ridiculous your commentary is.
My initial post was never of the sort. I suggest you go back and find my initial post and read. And yes, I do make it a point to say something if someone is walking around smelling like trash. There's a difference if you're in a gym... sweating and your deodorant isn't strong enough.... and when you're in a movie or eating and having to smell someone who smells like they bathed in cat pee. I offend a lot of people.... just how I am, and I won't apologize for that. It just shows how sensitive some people are on certain subjects, and how people like to take words and manipulate them to what they see fit as interpretation.
Saying outloud that someone smells bad is, in fact, making a point of offending them. I've have maybe twice, in my entire life, smelled people who can be described as "smelling like trash" or "like they bathed in cat pee," and every time they were homeless. Either here in Kansas we breed people with better hygiene, or you have the most sensitive nose of all time. And you're, by the way, conflating these things to people who don't shave their pits by talking about it a thread about grooming one's body hair. This is not a causation thing; not shaving your body hair doesn't automatically lead to an aggressively bad body odor.
I mean, carry on thinking you're cool and just telling it how it is or whatever, but it doesn't change that you either don't have empathy for people (clear in your commentary about people who "cut for the attention") or you're deliberately the walking embodiment of an internet troll.
Oh I know it offends them, I don't need you to tell me that, hence, why I do it.
Next time you take someone to a nice restaurant for a birthday or ... just because, and you have to smell an aroma... I hope you don't offend anyone.
I'm not going to argue with people who want to make fallacy of a misinterpreted conflation.
So keep claiming I'm this and that, and how cool I think I am, either way it really doesn't matter, nor change anything.
I think fallacy is a noun, and so it requires an indefinite article..
Kidding, that was just a puerile and possibly specious attempt on my part to demonstrate my prodigious lexicon. .
(and my thesaurus.com skills). .7 -
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I think it should be socially acceptable for men to have hairy legs and pits, but I'm pretty liberal.2
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peppermintpudgy wrote: »I'm sure this has been said, but I think it's crazy that it has to be a "movement" at all.
Everything has to be a "movement" anymore.1 -
It's only a "movement" when people label it as such. What's wrong with simply accepting that people can make their own choices and moving on? Perhaps it got that label because of the negativity that surrounds it and people realized that it should not be an issue, but it is.brewingPHX wrote: »peppermintpudgy wrote: »I'm sure this has been said, but I think it's crazy that it has to be a "movement" at all.
Everything has to be a "movement" anymore.
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peppermintpudgy wrote: »I think it should be socially acceptable for men to have hairy legs and pits, but I'm pretty liberal.
The men I know don't shave their body hair.
But it's possible I travel in a different circle than the current crop of prolific posters at MFP.
Anyhow, the argument has been made here that body hair entraps and emits unpleasant odors.
If that's true, men, (other than competitive body builders, porn stars & metrosexuals) should be walking around smelling ripe and animalistic.
I don't find this to be the case.
Maybe womenfolk's unshaven armpits are more aromatic than men's. I don't know.
Yep! That's exactly the double standard I was pointing out.
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MsAmandaNJ wrote: »
It's not so bad, right? As for the naysayers, they can have their opinion, but I don't have to let it bother me. Lifetime of ridicule? I'm more along the lines of a lifetime of being happy with myself, making my choices and owning them.salembambi wrote: »
hell yeah! ill take people finding me disgusting & a lifetime of ridicule over feeling like i have to shave twice a week for the rest of my damn life
don't you just love how it tickles when the wind blows your leg hair?? and you forget you have leg hair so you are like ... why is something touching me? then you look down and laugh at your cute little leg hairs5 -
MissMonicaC4 wrote: »verlaine01 wrote: »I think that it is a bit of a visual norm in our society, if eventually enough women had leg and under arm hair for an extended period of time, one would not find it odd at all. It is like in the 60s when some guys began to grow their hair long, they were labelled hippies, or oddballs, nowadays, it doesn't matter. Guys have long hair, shaved heads and everything in between. Long beards used to be looked at as completely weird and ugly, now every other guy has a long beard. Guys had not had long beards for decades and decades!
it's just fashion. The shaved armpits, have been a regular women's fashion for a long time now. Maybe that will change, who knows? If enough of the younger generation, actresses, and singers stop shaving, in 10-15 years it will be weird to shave.
Its already very common in France and Europe to leave underarm hair.
The comment about France and Europe dont shave.. Thats a big myth.
The OP didn't say that they don't shave over in Europe, just that not shaving was very common and that's not a myth.0 -
looking4gains wrote: »I mean freeing oneself by not shaving? That is such a minuscule part of ones life. To me jumping blindly for your goals, overcoming your fears, leaving a toxic relationship. Those are freeing yourself and following your happiness. It's soo hypocritical to rebel to something that is based off the stigma of societies image of beauty is a shaved body. You're taking physical appearance, and making that your focus in life. Personally, if you care that much of what people think, honestly your efforts could be soo much more better suited towards something substantial.
Now I get it. You don't wanna shave then don't. I don't think people really care. I mean if I saw a girl with hairy armpits or hairy legs, I'd probably have a thought for two seconds in passing, then go about my business. But calling it a movement? In my opinion, that just sounds ridiculous. It's an obsession with how others view them. There is soo much more to life than vanity.
What if a person doesn't shave because shaving causes a rash, not because of any rebellion? That was my situation before I got fed up with the whole thing and had my body lasered to get rid of the irritating stuff.0 -
gruesomegreta wrote: »Sometimes I shave, sometimes I don't. Who cares?
Gillette.2 -
peppermintpudgy wrote: »I think it should be socially acceptable for men to have hairy legs and pits, but I'm pretty liberal.
The men I know don't shave their body hair.
But it's possible I travel in a different circle than the current crop of prolific posters at MFP.
Anyhow, the argument has been made here that body hair entraps and emits unpleasant odors.
If that's true, men, (other than competitive body builders, porn stars & metrosexuals) should be walking around smelling ripe and animalistic.
I don't find this to be the case.
Maybe womenfolk's unshaven armpits are more aromatic than men's. I don't know.
i shower everyday and use an all natural deodorant so maybe i do smell like a hippie who knows
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lithezebra wrote: »Your body, your hair, your choice.
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LOOOOVE when the wind blows, shavers are missing out. I enjoyed having smooth legs, but it was simply too much effort for me to bother and I feel it's an inappropriate expectation. I've been called a hippie many times, as if it's going to offend me. I got news for them, I'm totally a hippie :-) I only stink when I'm given'er at the gym - who doesn't?salembambi wrote: »MsAmandaNJ wrote: »
It's not so bad, right? As for the naysayers, they can have their opinion, but I don't have to let it bother me. Lifetime of ridicule? I'm more along the lines of a lifetime of being happy with myself, making my choices and owning them.salembambi wrote: »
hell yeah! ill take people finding me disgusting & a lifetime of ridicule over feeling like i have to shave twice a week for the rest of my damn life
don't you just love how it tickles when the wind blows your leg hair?? and you forget you have leg hair so you are like ... why is something touching me? then you look down and laugh at your cute little leg hairs
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Are you going to add anything constructive or just repeat yourself?_incogNEATo_ wrote: »it's gross
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