You are not just "weak" or "lazy". Food can be an ADDICTION.

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  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It's been explained over and over
    paperpudding wrote: »
    We'll it is not quite global - I doubt many people in Ethiopia have been hit by it.

    I would say this relatively recent incidence of widespread obesity relates to more availability of food and availability of non movement ( cats, office jobs etc)

    Most people in history in most of the world didn't over eat because there wasnt a surplus of food.
    And they didn't under exercise because there was no non exercise way of doing things.

    This ...minus cats
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    You seem to think we instantly jumped into the moderation and great willpower mindset.

    Hahahahaha.... no. Not at all.

    It was hard for us in the beginning, too. We put in the hard work. We failed, and got right back up. We learned from our mistakes and kept going. The excuses and blaming were dropped. We gained knowledge. With all this, we gained confidence.

    We still make mistakes from time to time.

    You sound....familiar.

    And this, minus familiarity, but with knobs on
  • LKArgh
    LKArgh Posts: 5,178 Member
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It is not global. Some people starve to death. Others die from eating too much.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It isn't a sudden thing... (well I guess if we are looking at the totality of time that humans have been on the planet the last 50 years or so could be considered sudden) but I'm interested in your theories as to what's causing the obesity epidemic.
  • richln
    richln Posts: 809 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It isn't a sudden thing... (well I guess if we are looking at the totality of time that humans have been on the planet the last 50 years or so could be considered sudden) but I'm interested in your theories as to what's causing the obesity epidemic.

    Many people are saying that domestic felines are a leading cause of the epidemic.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    <<<< Hank says, "NO."
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    paperpudding wrote: »


    hahahaha - I didnt notice I wrote that ridiculous statement - we move less now because of cats

    In case anyone didnt realise - I meant cars. ;)

    Yeah we noticed
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    edited November 2016
    Verity1111 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    I'm guessing this is a response to another thread, but I'm also going to go out on a limb and say you didn't read his thread. Sugar and other junk foods do have an impact on the reward centers of the brain similar to snorting cocaine, petting a puppy, kissing someone you love, and stubbing your toe. It's the pain and pleasure area of the brain and a strong history of avoiding starvation has taught our ancestors brains that eating is good.

    It doesn't matter. It goes further than that as well. And no it isn't only about other threads. There is something personal about it as I just added. I have a friend who's about 400lbs and was 700lbs. And he had asked more than once politely for his friends to not bring food to his house. His friends would come over bring alcohol and order pizza around this man who is on oxygen. Now this is an extreme example, but it makes the same point. You can handle yourself, fine, but some people can not say no and if they ask you to not tempt them or bring it around them - don't. It's that simple.

    It sounds like this man's friends lack any shred of common sense. I also question how strong the friendship is...
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Thank you! This is what I've tried saying on here many times. I hate when some people on here say "there is no bad food," "food shouldn't be vilified," "you can eat what you want in moderation so nothing should be off limits." Yeah...maybe for some people, but not all. If moderation, self control, and heathy eating habits were practiced by everyone there wouldn't be sooo many people very heavily overweight and on here looking for help. Everyone can have their opinions about food, but what I'm opposed to is the people posting on these boards who say these things and say them so matter-of-factly like anyone would be uneducated and ridiculous to think otherwise. As a fat person, let me share with you my mindset about why I deem some foods as bad. There are many things that I could not stop myself from eating only one or two of to stay under my daily calories. And I don't just want "a taste." Because for me there is no such thing. So for my diet I will avoid them all together or only have them as a treat once in a blue moon or I'll find a substitute. I don't feel like I'm refusing myself anything...before you give me that blah, blah excuse about how my diet will fail if I ban foods yadda, yadda. My dieting has been working fairly well so far and I don't feel deprived. I'm down 27 pounds since 4th of July. And I'm feeling good about it. So when people ask questions about the nutritional value or calories of one food over the other be mindful that they might not have the self control you have and don't consider every food an option for their dieting success.

    In regards to the bolded, I think that is more a matter of how you are interpreting...
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    richln wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    richln wrote: »
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It isn't a sudden thing... (well I guess if we are looking at the totality of time that humans have been on the planet the last 50 years or so could be considered sudden) but I'm interested in your theories as to what's causing the obesity epidemic.

    Many people are saying that domestic felines are a leading cause of the epidemic.

    Makes as much sense as addictive food.

    I don't know about food addiction, but I personally have been having a hard time kicking my oxygen habit. Haven't been able to go very long without it for the last 40 years. Those withdrawal effects are pretty rough.

    I know, right! The withdrawals from O2 are the worst.
    Signs and Symptoms of Asphyxia

    •Difficulty and/ or noisy breathing, which may ultimately lead to cessation.
    •Rapid pulse.
    •High blood pressure (hypertension)
    •Cyanosis of the face.
    •Swollen veins on the head and neck.
    •Convulsions.
    •Paralysis.
    •Slowly losing consciousness.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    paperpudding wrote: »


    hahahaha - I didnt notice I wrote that ridiculous statement - we move less now because of cats

    In case anyone didnt realise - I meant cars. ;)

    I thought it meant that people are choosing cats instead of dogs, because cats don't need to be walked, which means much less exercise for the owners lol
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
    :laugh: :laugh:

    We used to plop my cat in a stroller when we took the dogs for a walk, he loved it and sat there perfectly, or we'd put a leash on his collar and then hook it up to one of the dogs collars, and he's toddle along next to them.

    He was one a million, unfortunately a huge brown snake killed him :(
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    :laugh: :laugh:

    We used to plop my cat in a stroller when we took the dogs for a walk, he loved it and sat there perfectly, or we'd put a leash on his collar and then hook it up to one of the dogs collars, and he's toddle along next to them.

    He was one a million, unfortunately a huge brown snake killed him :(

    :( I'm not a fan of cats but, I'm sorry. That's sad. :( Coyotes are the problem around here.
    When you or anyone cuts out sugar, do you experience:
    • Deep depression and suicidal thoughts? no
    • Immense all-over pain? Not all over but there was pain
    • Irritability to the point that you need to be restrained? No. But Irritability was there
    • Emotional instability? Mildly
    • Anxiety attacks? No
    • Restlessness all day and night and/or insomnia? Yes
    • Sweating, hot flashes. Yes. Along with fainting and tunnel vision
    • Flu-like symptoms: weakness, body aches and headaches. You bet
    • Lack of or increased appetite. Yes

    While you're on sugar, do you?
    • Have the need to steal sugar items or money to obtain sugar items from loved ones and friends? No. That's silly. Sugar is cheap.
    • Sell or pawn all your items (including items with sentimental value as well as monetary value) to get a sugar fix? No need. A "fix" was just a few dollars or a sugar bowl away.
    • Act irrational when you don't have sugar. Become overly depressed or violent? Low blood sugar = irrational.
    • Constantly lie to loved ones and create excuses to justify your sugar abuse? Constantly? No. But I did lie about my foods and hid some of them.
    • Instant change in mood when you do get sugar? Pretty much.
    • Need more and more sugar to be satisfied? Yes
    • Bipolar like symptoms? No

    I won't say sugar is an addiction, but it is addiction-like for me. Similar symptoms. Much, much milder.

  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    :laugh: :laugh:

    We used to plop my cat in a stroller when we took the dogs for a walk, he loved it and sat there perfectly, or we'd put a leash on his collar and then hook it up to one of the dogs collars, and he's toddle along next to them.

    He was one a million, unfortunately a huge brown snake killed him :(

    I'm sorry :frowning:

    Mine's a total jerk, but I'll still miss him one day.
  • Isabelle2222
    Isabelle2222 Posts: 12 Member
    edited November 2016
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Isabelle2222 wrote: »
    Oh, these threads ...

    So that's all there is to it - willpower and "eat in moderation" is all the world need?

    Some day I hope someone will stick its nose away from the proverbial tree and explain, from a historical and anthropological standpoint, the sudden GLOBAL epidemic of "lack of willpower" and "failure to eat in moderation".

    It isn't a sudden thing... (well I guess if we are looking at the totality of time that humans have been on the planet the last 50 years or so could be considered sudden) but I'm interested in your theories as to what's causing the obesity epidemic.

    I don't have a theory. I am a lawyer, not a scientist.
    I do have a bachelors' degree in history, and that's why I tend to examine things under a historical or long term perspective.

    Anyhow. I don't have a theory, but I would expect that amongst all of those who believe that that the sole cause of obesity is lack of willpower, could explain why suddenly, humans are losing their willpower.

    As far as I know, this is unprecedented in history, and quite frankly the "we just became lazy and glutton" theory does not fly with me.

    But almost everyone here never raise that issue : why NOW in our history?

  • Isabelle2222
    Isabelle2222 Posts: 12 Member
    edited November 2016
    paperpudding wrote: »
    We'll it is not quite global - I doubt many people in Ethiopia have been hit by it.

    I would say this relatively recent incidence of widespread obesity relates to more availability of food and availability of non movement ( cats, office jobs etc)

    Most people in history in most of the world didn't over eat because there wasnt a surplus of food.
    And they didn't under exercise because there was no non exercise way of doing things.

    Hum ... But food have been abundant for most middle and upper class citizens in the USA and Canada for more than a century.

    In any event, I would like to see an actual study to explain why people have a decrease in lack of willpower when it comes to EATING and WORKING OUT specifically. Because really, have we observed (as in: scientifically documented) the same laziness at work, or in school, or in other human endeavours?

    Come on, be nice: someone tell me I am not the only one who wonders! ;-)

    Again, this is just a plea for keeping an open mind on the subject. I think it's really interesting. It's nature and social science, not ideology!

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